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People present (lines said):
People present (lines said):
* [[User:jlaska|jlaska]] (113)
* [[User:kparal|kparal]] (70)
* [[User:adamw|adamw]] (64)
* [[User:j_dulaney|j_dulaney]] (38)
* [[User:wwoods|wwoods]] (35)
* [[User:Oxf13|Oxf13]] (9)
* [[User:jskladan|jskladan]] (7)
* [[User:Viking-Ice|Viking-Ice]] (7)
* [[User:skvidal|skvidal]] (6)
* [[User:zodbot|zodbot]] (5)
* [[User:hicham|hicham]] (5)
* [[User:chenrano2002|chenrano2002]] (5)
* [[User:ianweller|ianweller]] (4)
* [[User:jraber|jraber]] (2)


Regrets:
Regrets:
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= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091736.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091736.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [FIXME MeetBot summary]
* [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-06-28/fedora-qa.2010-06-28-14.59.html MeetBot summary]


== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
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; Next steps...
; Next steps...
* jlaska working with infrastructure on several tasks
* jlaska working with infrastructure on several tasks
*# <strike>{{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2221}} - route http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org -> qa01 </strike>
# <strike>{{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2221}} - route http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org -> qa01 </strike>
*# <strike>{{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2230}} - create mysql database for autotest on db1 </strike>
# <strike>{{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2230}} - create mysql database for autotest on db1 </strike>
*# {{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2242}} = Limit access to test systems qa01.c.fp.org through qa06.c.fp.org
# {{Ticket|fedora-infrastructure|2242}} = Limit access to test systems qa01.c.fp.org through qa06.c.fp.org
* <strike> jlaska - set up another private virtual autotest-server </strike>
# <strike> jlaska - set up another private virtual autotest-server </strike>
* <strike> jlaska - find a machine where resultdb may run (it can be VM, publicly accessible preferred) </strike>
# <strike> jlaska - find a machine where resultdb may run (it can be VM, publicly accessible preferred) </strike>
* kparal - implement *quick* virtualization support -- {{Ticket|autoqa|181}}
# <strike>jskladan, wwoods - bodhi hook needs to be tested -- {{Ticket|autoqa|87}}</strike>
* jskladan, wwoods - bodhi hook needs to be tested -- {{Ticket|autoqa|87}}
# {{Ticket|autoqa|195}} - Create a helloworld test for use with testing hook
* jskladan, kparal, wwoods - continue implementing and testing resultdb -- {{Ticket|autoqa|145}}
# standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon


=== Validating Initscript Tests ===
=== Resultdb ===


; Owner - [[User:Jskladan]]
; Owner - [[User:jskladan]]
; Summary
; Summary
: Josef asked for help in validating a new round of SysVinitscript AutoQA tests.  See [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-May/091311.html announcement] and [https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/wiki/initscripts instructions] and [http://jlaska.wordpress.com/2010/06/01/autoqa-help-wanted-initscript-verification/ blog].  Progress [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-June/091466.html continues], and more help is needed to close out this task.
: {{Ticket|autoqa|145}}
: Test instance up'n'running on one of our machines
: Rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the result data inside.
; Next steps...
; Next steps...
: Continue to support volunteers
# Finish updating other tests to store results in resultdb
# Setup autotest-server instance to use these tests
# Once results are posted into resultsdb ... start working on a front-end
 
=== Labels ===
 
; Owner - [[User:kparal]]
; Summary
: {{Ticket|autoqa|181}} - Implement *quick* virtualization support to allow for destructive tests
: Kparal created a ''labels'' git branch to track development (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html
announcement])
; Next steps...
# Determine format of labels to use (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html
discussion])
# Complete script to help manage virtual guests that will be used by the labels


= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
= Open discussion - <Your topic here> =
== colleges to help testing ==
; Owner - [[User:j_dulaney]]
; Summary
: idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
; Next steps ...
# dulaney will ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
# Adamw offered QA help if there are any questions or interest
== Knowledge base ==
; Owner - [[User:jkeating]]
; Summary
: Jkeating asked the group if a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts?
: The team discussed the idea of a knowledge base, but there wasn't anything tangible to offer feedback on
; Next steps ...
# Continue to refine the idea/proposal


= Upcoming QA events =
= Upcoming QA events =
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= Action items =
= Action items =
# jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
# j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review


= IRC Transcript =
= IRC Transcript =
{|
|- id="t14:59:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t14:59:56|14:59]]
|- id="t14:59:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Jun 28 14:59:56 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t14:59:56|14:59]]
|- id="t14:59:56"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t14:59:56|14:59]]
|- id="t14:59:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t14:59:59|14:59]]
|- id="t14:59:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t14:59:59|14:59]]
|- id="t15:00:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair kparal
|| [[#t15:00:02|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:02"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: jlaska kparal
|| [[#t15:00:02|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Gathering critical mass
|| [[#t15:00:11|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:21"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan steps out of the shadows :)
|| [[#t15:00:21|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:38"
| colspan="2" | * kparal looks around
|| [[#t15:00:38|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:55"
| colspan="2" | * wwoods puts down his beer^Wcoffee
|| [[#t15:00:55|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: kparal: greetings
|| [[#t15:00:59|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: it's noon somewhere :)
|| [[#t15:01:03|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | hicham
| style="color: #818144" | i d highly suggest to add the eds mess
|| [[#t15:01:05|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | hicham
| style="color: #818144" | to the agenda
|| [[#t15:01:12|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:13"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice stands since there are no chairs left!
|| [[#t15:01:13|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:20"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | hicham: why, exactly, is that a QA problem?
|| [[#t15:01:20|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | hicham
| style="color: #818144" | wwoods: i think it is qa problem, since updates are now broken
|| [[#t15:01:46|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hicham: you're welcome to bring up any QA suggestions related to that build during open discussion
|| [[#t15:01:47|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:14"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | hicham: yes, but we already have plans for tests in place to keep that sort of thing from happening
|| [[#t15:02:14|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | hicham
| style="color: #818144" | wwoods: ah ok, thanks
|| [[#t15:02:35|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | in the meantime it's still up to developers to *not* mess up the deps in the repos
|| [[#t15:02:37|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:49"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | and they keep doing it
|| [[#t15:02:49|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | this does not change our plans any
|| [[#t15:02:54|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | nor is it our fault that it keeps happening
|| [[#t15:03:02|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | morningalydoodly
|| [[#t15:03:03|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hicham: for offline reading enjoyment ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan
|| [[#t15:03:06|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: welcome
|| [[#t15:03:09|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: lurking?
|| [[#t15:03:14|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | Yup
|| [[#t15:03:23|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hey there
|| [[#t15:03:25|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty, let's get movin'
|| [[#t15:03:48|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | I completely understand the frustration though
|| [[#t15:03:58|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm going to breeze through the follow-up items ... I've got details on most of them ...
|| [[#t15:04:10|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:04:19|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
|| [[#t15:04:24|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html
|| [[#t15:04:30|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t15:04:44|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: you were out last week, so surprise, I added an agenda item for you!
|| [[#t15:05:05|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | haa
|| [[#t15:05:13|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | queue the balloons and streamers
|| [[#t15:05:14|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | hooray! lucky winner!
|| [[#t15:05:26|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: dunno if you have any updates, since this might be the first you saw of it ...
|| [[#t15:05:28|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage
|| [[#t15:05:34|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | I don't recall the explanation of the exact dep problem
|| [[#t15:05:58|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: we can follow-up on autoqa-devel list ... checkout the description adamw sent (see previous #link)
|| [[#t15:06:29|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:40"
| colspan="2" | * skvidal recalls
|| [[#t15:06:40|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:47"
| colspan="2" | * adamw re-assigned all his work to wwoods and went golfing
|| [[#t15:06:47|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:50"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | skvidal
| style="color: #4b904b" | the nss-softokn thing was just a multilib issue iirc
|| [[#t15:06:50|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | check your to-do list
|| [[#t15:06:51|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | hicham
| style="color: #818144" | x86_64 version was older than i686 one
|| [[#t15:07:05|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | skvidal
| style="color: #4b904b" | ie: the lib didn't get auto pulled in as multlib by mash for the update
|| [[#t15:07:07|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:14"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | skvidal
| style="color: #4b904b" | but it did get pulled in for the GA
|| [[#t15:07:14|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:19"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | skvidal
| style="color: #4b904b" | hicham: right
|| [[#t15:07:19|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think the only action here is to review whether this is something depcheck would have captured
|| [[#t15:07:19|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:21"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | skvidal: as jlaska says i already sent a description to autoqa-devel list
|| [[#t15:07:21|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | skvidal
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: sorry
|| [[#t15:07:27|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | npnp :)
|| [[#t15:07:30|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: okay taking this to the list?
|| [[#t15:07:48|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | yeah, that's fine
|| [[#t15:07:54|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:55"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska has Michael McDonald in his head now
|| [[#t15:07:55|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: thx
|| [[#t15:08:01|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t15:08:08|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review
|| [[#t15:08:11|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | quick summary: we'll want to write test case for that situation - and all the other common "your repos asplode" problems
|| [[#t15:08:16|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:29"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | yup have started to work on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips
|| [[#t15:08:29|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: I see you've already got quite a bit of content
|| [[#t15:08:33|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips
|| [[#t15:08:41|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:47"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Crap, was in the head too long
|| [[#t15:08:47|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: welcome :)
|| [[#t15:09:08|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: very nice ... anything you want to follow-up with next week ... or should we stay tuned to test@ mailing list
|| [[#t15:09:40|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:49"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | We hit a bit of snag at work this last week so the work got a bit halted + I still have not contacted Lennart about several things.
|| [[#t15:09:49|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I will post the page for the list for review once I'm done
|| [[#t15:10:03|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: awesome, thanks again for tackling this
|| [[#t15:10:15|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:26"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | Viking-Ice
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | has releng got any plans on when we will switch to use systemd by default
|| [[#t15:10:26|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | up next ...
|| [[#t15:10:29|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
|| [[#t15:10:32|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2241
|| [[#t15:10:37|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I haven't seen any updates on this yet, we may wish to reach out to infrastructure@ list also
|| [[#t15:11:23|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next ...
|| [[#t15:11:31|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
|| [[#t15:11:34|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Nothing earth shattering here, just priming the wiki content for F14 test days
|| [[#t15:11:52|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_14_test_days
|| [[#t15:11:55|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | If anyone has ideas or suggestions, feel free to write them down on the talk page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days
|| [[#t15:12:11|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next ...
|| [[#t15:12:23|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check
|| [[#t15:12:25|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/190
|| [[#t15:12:30|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that's been queued up for the copious spare time we all have lurking just around the corner!
|| [[#t15:12:45|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and last ...
|| [[#t15:12:56|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
|| [[#t15:12:59|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I looked at this briefly, but don't have any new content to offer yet
|| [[#t15:13:15|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | this should only take a minute or two though ... will knock this out for next week
|| [[#t15:13:28|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
|| [[#t15:13:34|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... time for the main event
|| [[#t15:13:57|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Fedora 14 QA Recommendations
|| [[#t15:14:02|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | You're probably getting tire of me saying it by now P)
|| [[#t15:14:19|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:34"
| colspan="2" | * Oxf13 peeks in
|| [[#t15:14:34|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Oxf13: howdy
|| [[#t15:14:45|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so I'm just about done with filing tickets for the recommendations wiki
|| [[#t15:14:59|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
|| [[#t15:15:06|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:16"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
|| [[#t15:15:16|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there are a few more that I've not yet filed ... but the bulk is complete
|| [[#t15:15:20|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | i guess we should make sure all the tickets are assigned appropriately?
|| [[#t15:15:24|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yup, I'm going to take this off the list ... and the next step is we get to work the queue
|| [[#t15:15:43|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: there's an open floor section at the end of the meeting, can you raise it there? thanks. just keeps things on track =)
|| [[#t15:15:51|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Next step, start to work the ticket queue ... https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014
|| [[#t15:16:06|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:17"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | A little late, but due to some internal communication, I want to ask this group if they thought a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts?
|| [[#t15:16:17|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:26"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | as a recommendation for future Fedora releases.
|| [[#t15:16:26|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:40"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska adds to open-floor ideas
|| [[#t15:16:40|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | last point here ... if there is something you were itching to work on for Fedora 14 QA ... and there isn't a ticket
|| [[#t15:17:23|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | not to worry :)  Just file a ticket and start workin'
|| [[#t15:17:48|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Oxf13: btw ... I think that was down as a wishlist topic ... checking ...
|| [[#t15:18:01|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:07"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | ok
|| [[#t15:18:07|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Oxf13: same general idea ... "jlaska - Pony - some web tool to help collaborative problem debugging. Similar to http://answers.yahoo.com/ perhaps? "
|| [[#t15:18:38|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | k
|| [[#t15:18:51|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | definitely filed under my pony category :)
|| [[#t15:18:52|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but "knowledge base" might be a more appropriate title
|| [[#t15:19:08|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... any other comments on the retrospective or recommendations?
|| [[#t15:19:24|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm not planning on including this topic in future meetings
|| [[#t15:19:36|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | nup, just good job, thanks :)
|| [[#t15:19:39|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks all for the feedback, I hope I captured a manageable set of tasks for us on F14
|| [[#t15:20:12|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Proventester update
|| [[#t15:20:37|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I have this as a running meeting topic, but I don't know if there are any updates this week
|| [[#t15:20:53|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | nothing much has happened. really we're waiting on bodhi now.
|| [[#t15:21:10|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | the only thing i considered is adding some instructions for mentors as well as instructions for testers.
|| [[#t15:21:29|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: nice, so that means the proventester instructions dafrito and you worked on are complete?
|| [[#t15:21:45|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:46"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | It seems the Wiki entry could be cleaned up a bit
|| [[#t15:21:46|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | i suppose it's worth nothing that the eds debacle gives a very clear indication of the need for this testing =)
|| [[#t15:21:48|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester
|| [[#t15:21:51|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:54"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Or I should say, made clearer
|| [[#t15:21:54|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: well, i can't see any way to improve them
|| [[#t15:21:59|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: which wiki entry, and what do you suggest could be improved?
|| [[#t15:22:10|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: nice, I call that complete! :D
|| [[#t15:22:12|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: either that or i suck, yep =)
|| [[#t15:22:23|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:27"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: preoventester
|| [[#t15:22:27|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:40"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | the page jlaska just linked to?
|| [[#t15:22:40|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:10"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:23:10|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:36"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | what do you suggest changing?
|| [[#t15:23:36|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:34"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I'm thinking a little more on the mentoring and approval process
|| [[#t15:24:34|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: ah, I think something adamw mentioned he might like to see.  We'd welcome any content to get things started
|| [[#t15:25:27|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | note that there is also the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters page
|| [[#t15:25:31|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:45"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | we should probably clean up the naming of both pages to be more co-operative
|| [[#t15:25:45|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:52"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Indeed.  I seem to have missed that
|| [[#t15:25:52|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Maybe combine them?
|| [[#t15:26:02|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | possibly
|| [[#t15:26:33|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:51"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | The joinproventesters seems rather short to have its own entry
|| [[#t15:26:51|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:57"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | we can basically choose to have one big 'everything about proven testers' page, or probably three separate pages for process, joining, mentoring
|| [[#t15:26:57|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | one page is a nice simple concept, i just would want to make sure it doesn't get too long and hard to follow
|| [[#t15:27:27|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:38"
| colspan="2" | * adamw 's sworn enemy is the eye-glaze effect ;)
|| [[#t15:27:38|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I know that enemy
|| [[#t15:27:45|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | otherwise known as tl;dr
|| [[#t15:27:51|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:00"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | That's why I tend to print :)
|| [[#t15:28:00|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | (took me years to figure out what that meant)
|| [[#t15:28:07|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:49"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Read through long bits of code, much?
|| [[#t15:28:49|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:52"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | this is where you really wish for "collapsable" sections in mediawiki
|| [[#t15:28:52|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:28"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | collapse all the sections by default except for the common top section, then expand the sub-sections as desired, for each of joining / mentoring
|| [[#t15:29:28|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | yeah, that would be ideal
|| [[#t15:29:39|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:39"
| colspan="2" | * ianweller peeks in
|| [[#t15:29:39|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Oxf13: I think rhe found an option that might be available to anyone interested
|| [[#t15:29:44|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:53"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: i thought that was tables?
|| [[#t15:29:53|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | in fact, I think ianweller helped with adding the collapse css
|| [[#t15:29:53|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah, but I believe there is similar support for &lt;div&gt;'s too
|| [[#t15:30:08|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:09"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | ianweller
| style="color: #9b519b" | yeah i added css/javascript for collapsing tables
|| [[#t15:30:09|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but I could definitely be *wrong*
|| [[#t15:30:15|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rhe would know best
|| [[#t15:30:18|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | or of course our wiki master ... ianweller
|| [[#t15:30:24|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: it's something i try to avoid ;)
|| [[#t15:30:39|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but anyway ... adamw j_dulaney: anything you guys want to try on the wiki for next week?
|| [[#t15:30:56|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | jlaska:  Sure
|| [[#t15:31:12|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:35"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: if you could make a separate draft of a combined page in your personal space on the wiki and send it to the list for comments that'd be awesome
|| [[#t15:31:35|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:47"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw:  Indeed
|| [[#t15:31:47|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | i'd like to know what aaron thinks too since he did such an awesome job on the proventesters page
|| [[#t15:31:48|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | good point!
|| [[#t15:31:58|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:02"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | (aaron = dafrito, not sure if he's around)
|| [[#t15:32:02|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | grab and #action items you want ... otherwise, I'll keep this #topic on the agenda for our next meeting
|| [[#t15:32:35|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | #action j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review
|| [[#t15:33:31|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ianweller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame
|| [[#t15:33:43|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:09"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | #grab draft
|| [[#t15:34:09|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:18"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Got it, will do
|| [[#t15:34:18|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:40"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | ianweller
| style="color: #9b519b" | jlaska: i saw that, but it's not really making collapsible sections automaticaly
|| [[#t15:34:40|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:44"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | ianweller
| style="color: #9b519b" | i can't spell today
|| [[#t15:34:44|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ianweller: yeah, you're right
|| [[#t15:34:54|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | ianweller: hey, at least you didn't say automagically
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:19"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | there's a word that makes me want to punch things
|| [[#t15:35:19|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:26"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska notes :)
|| [[#t15:35:26|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, thanks adamw and j_dulaney
|| [[#t15:35:37|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | (and of course dafrito)
|| [[#t15:35:40|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t15:35:56|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:56"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | the dude that taught me to program did things magically
|| [[#t15:35:56|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:17"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | unless his name was otto, you're good
|| [[#t15:36:17|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: I just joined this other meeting, do you mind taking the #chair from here?
|| [[#t15:36:22|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | (thank you, thank you, i'm here all week)
|| [[#t15:36:24|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tip your waiter
|| [[#t15:36:30|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:31"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: sure
|| [[#t15:36:31|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:49"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Wish I could afford to go somewhere with a waiter
|| [[#t15:36:49|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:54"
| colspan="2" | * kparal looking for agenda
|| [[#t15:36:54|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: I asked wwoods to drive the autoqa update for today
|| [[#t15:37:02|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:05"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | hey, denny's has waiters. technically.
|| [[#t15:37:05|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:31"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | so, we can hop on the AutoQA, right?
|| [[#t15:37:31|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: yeah, that's next
|| [[#t15:37:40|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:46"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:37:46|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:54"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | wwoods: you have the mic!
|| [[#t15:37:54|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | HELLO FEDORA QA
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|- id="t15:38:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | ARE YOU READY TO ROOOOOOCK
|| [[#t15:38:11|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:16"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | ahem sorry.
|| [[#t15:38:16|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:20"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | *applaud
|| [[#t15:38:20|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:23"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I've already got some Godsmack going
|| [[#t15:38:23|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | haha
|| [[#t15:38:25|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:28"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
|| [[#t15:38:28|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | so last week we (finally) got the post-bodhi-update hook merged
|| [[#t15:38:33|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:34"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | chenrano2002
| style="color: #a25555" | gogogogo
|| [[#t15:38:34|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:42"
| colspan="2" | * adamw jumps on someone's head
|| [[#t15:38:42|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:04"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | yay
|| [[#t15:39:04|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome chenrano2002!
|| [[#t15:39:05|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | we're working on a new 'helloworld' test to make sure the bodhi-watcher and autoqa hook are working properly
|| [[#t15:39:08|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:15"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | chenrano2002
| style="color: #a25555" | yes, I'm here:)
|| [[#t15:39:15|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:35"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | in what language?
|| [[#t15:39:35|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:41"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #info post-bodhi-update hook is merged
|| [[#t15:39:41|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | the target is, of course, the 'depcheck' test
|| [[#t15:39:46|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | which should check all new proposed updates for dependency breakage
|| [[#t15:39:58|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:02"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #info 'helloworld' test is a new big task now ;)
|| [[#t15:40:02|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | and refuse to let rel-eng move packages that might break the repos
|| [[#t15:40:15|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:27"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | chenrano2002
| style="color: #a25555" | helloworld is really needed for newbie, I hope to see it
|| [[#t15:40:27|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | *fanfare*
|| [[#t15:40:30|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | but that's a complex test that will require help from infrastructure/releng to set up properly
|| [[#t15:40:32|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Where can I go to read up on autoqa?
|| [[#t15:41:02|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | so the helloworld test (written in python, like all the autoqa stuff) is what we'll use to test out the new hook.
|| [[#t15:41:03|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ is where the code lives
|| [[#t15:41:25|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:30"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Roger
|| [[#t15:41:30|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA is where the wiki docs are
|| [[#t15:41:32|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:01"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, thanks wwoods
|| [[#t15:42:01|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:13"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | anything else from your end?
|| [[#t15:42:13|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: what can I help with to complete that helloworld?
|| [[#t15:42:16|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think you and kparal had some run_once() suggestions ... just combine those and test?
|| [[#t15:42:28|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | there's more autoqa stuff going on, but I think kparal &amp; jskladan will have more to say about that
|| [[#t15:42:35|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:38"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: I believe so
|| [[#t15:42:38|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: yeah - go for the quick-n-dirty-and-simple test and just dump locals()
|| [[#t15:43:02|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: wwoods: (helloworld) ... okay thanks, I'll update the ticket
|| [[#t15:43:11|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:22"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice starts Moshing. . . .
|| [[#t15:43:22|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | in the next week or two we might have a discussion about standardizing hook argument names, or tweaking the convention for passing hook args
|| [[#t15:43:33|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | but don't let that stop you from getting helloworld working now.
|| [[#t15:43:46|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:50"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic AutoQA update - resultdb
|| [[#t15:43:50|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | at first, helloworld will just work with post-bodhi-update?
|| [[#t15:43:51|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:56"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | er
|| [[#t15:43:56|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:06"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:44:06|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: sorry ... keep going, I'll follow-up with you guys on fedora-qa after
|| [[#t15:44:07|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:15"
| colspan="2" | * kparal misclicked
|| [[#t15:44:15|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:50"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #info standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon
|| [[#t15:44:50|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:55"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | chenrano2002
| style="color: #a25555" | kaparal can't wait to share his idea:)
|| [[#t15:44:55|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: I believe helloworld should work for any hook
|| [[#t15:45:10|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:27"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | it will be just a generic test that will print out incoming arguments
|| [[#t15:45:27|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:31"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | that's all
|| [[#t15:45:31|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:37"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | and reports success :)
|| [[#t15:45:37|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: right, just didn't know how far you guys wanted me to go with this
|| [[#t15:45:42|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but I'll hold off the standardization of hook args for later
|| [[#t15:46:01|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | No pretty stuff on screen?
|| [[#t15:46:02|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:25"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | maybe it could draw a pony
|| [[#t15:46:25|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:32"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | YAY
|| [[#t15:46:32|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:33"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | alright, ready for jskladan's update?
|| [[#t15:46:33|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:53"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic AutoQA update - resultdb
|| [[#t15:46:53|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:57"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | well, updates on the ResultsDB front - i have a testing instance up'n'running on one of our machines (kudos to jlaska &amp; infrastracture team), i already rewrote initscripts &amp; rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the data inside. I'll finish the other tests during this week and will set up the testing autotest-server instance so it runs these tests :)
|| [[#t15:46:57|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:18"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | sounds nice!
|| [[#t15:47:18|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:29"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #info resultdb running on our staging server
|| [[#t15:47:29|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:32"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | so stay tuned for the magical tool being filled with data :)
|| [[#t15:47:32|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:56"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | and once there is some reasonable specimen
|| [[#t15:47:56|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:06"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | we can start working on some frontends
|| [[#t15:48:06|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | is it magical and revolutionary?
|| [[#t15:48:23|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:39"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | adamw: you bet
|| [[#t15:48:39|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:59"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Can it make a cheesesteak appear in front of me?
|| [[#t15:48:59|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:01"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | so that's about it on the resultsDB for now :)
|| [[#t15:49:01|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:08"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, thanks jskladan
|| [[#t15:49:08|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:21"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic AutoQA update - autotest labels
|| [[#t15:49:21|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:34"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | and now for something different
|| [[#t15:49:34|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:39"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | jskladan
| style="color: #57a657" | j_dulaney: only if you can pronounce the mighty words of power :))
|| [[#t15:49:39|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:05"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | I have created 'labels' branch that contains patched autoqa that can use autotest labels properly
|| [[#t15:50:05|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:09"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | at least I hope so
|| [[#t15:50:09|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:14"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | jskladan: I know not this heavy wizardry, yet
|| [[#t15:50:14|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:15"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | announcement here
|| [[#t15:50:15|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:18"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html
|| [[#t15:50:18|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:39"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | we should now be able to specify "this test must run on Fedora 12", even dynamically
|| [[#t15:50:39|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | hooray!
|| [[#t15:50:44|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | shiny!
|| [[#t15:50:48|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | that was a big missing piece for a while, this is totally awesome
|| [[#t15:51:00|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:18"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | and we're now discussing best names for our labels:
|| [[#t15:51:18|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:21"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html
|| [[#t15:51:21|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | does it just look for an existing machine that matches the labels, or can we actually spin up VMs as needed?
|| [[#t15:51:36|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | wwoods: it doesn't check for anything, it just schedules the job and atest takes care of the rest
|| [[#t15:52:04|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:20"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | if there is no machine matching that label, I guess it stays scheduled indefinitely
|| [[#t15:52:20|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:43"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | there are certainly areas for improvement :)
|| [[#t15:52:43|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:55"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | I still have to test is properly
|| [[#t15:52:55|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | So, how would I go about getting my machines talking to it all?
|| [[#t15:53:08|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:48"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #info autotest labels can now be used when patched autoqa from 'labels' branch is used
|| [[#t15:53:48|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | j_dulaney: at this point, you don't. Although you can certainly run the tests at home if you like
|| [[#t15:53:51|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:31"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | I'm also working on a script that will ease VM installation for us, that's a second thing. I want to use it for my 'labels' testing
|| [[#t15:54:31|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:37"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | alright, that's from me
|| [[#t15:54:37|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | and you can set up your own autoqa server also. since, y'know, we're showing it's so damn easy ;)
|| [[#t15:54:39|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:45"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | woods: right
|| [[#t15:54:45|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:02"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:55:02|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | now type your ideas
|| [[#t15:55:10|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | we've had two mentioned earlier already
|| [[#t15:55:27|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | i believe j_dulaney was first
|| [[#t15:55:31|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:41"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, what was the name of the idea?
|| [[#t15:55:41|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:46"
| colspan="2" | * kparal scrolls back
|| [[#t15:55:46|15:55]]
|- id="t15:56:21"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney: An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
|| [[#t15:56:21|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:39"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion - colleges to help testing
|| [[#t15:56:39|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I was thinking of getting IT type classes at said colleges to do some of the testing for us
|| [[#t15:56:41|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:50"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | we've actually had one case of that already
|| [[#t15:56:50|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney: so what do you suggest should be done and how can you help? :)
|| [[#t15:57:10|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | vedran miletic teaches classes at a university, and he integrates Bugzappers into that; we've helped him out with having his students do some triage work a couple of times
|| [[#t15:57:48|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:52"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | it is a neat system
|| [[#t15:57:52|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | is there a school you're in touch with where you could start such a program?
|| [[#t15:57:55|15:57]]
|- id="t15:58:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | wwoods
| style="color: #854685" | oh cool so there's some documented prior work on how to do this stuff?
|| [[#t15:58:17|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:46"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | at the local community college, I know the instructer that teaches the appropriate class
|| [[#t15:58:46|15:58]]
|- id="t15:59:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I can't think of what said class is called at the moment, massive brain fart here
|| [[#t15:59:13|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Anyway, I'm sure he'd be happy to have his students try to break applications once in a while.
|| [[#t15:59:41|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:55"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | well for sure ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
|| [[#t15:59:55|15:59]]
|- id="t16:00:04"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Roger that
|| [[#t16:00:04|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:04"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | if they'd like to try any of that stuff we can certainly arrange to help them out
|| [[#t16:00:04|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:53"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, if you have some contacts, try to lure them to us, sounds good :)
|| [[#t16:00:53|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:53"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I could also do the same thing at the local high school when class starts back up this fall
|| [[#t16:00:53|16:00]]
|- id="t16:01:04"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | yup
|| [[#t16:01:04|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:16"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, thanks
|| [[#t16:01:16|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:20"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | what was the other idea?
|| [[#t16:01:20|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:53"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:01:53|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:59"
| colspan="2" | * jraber wonders if anyone has heard an update regarding bug 552423  It is a COMMONBUG, but the last time I checked it was the only COMMONBUG with no workaround or planned fix
|| [[#t16:01:59|16:01]]
|- id="t16:02:19"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | .bug 552423
|| [[#t16:02:19|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | kparal: Bug 552423 [abrt] crash in gnome-panel (/usr/libexec/wnck-applet @ wncklet_connect_while_alive / wncklet.c:183) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552423
|| [[#t16:02:21|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:37"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | kparal: it was from oxf13 regarding a knowledge base
|| [[#t16:02:37|16:02]]
|- id="t16:03:27"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base
|| [[#t16:03:27|16:03]]
|- id="t16:04:05"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | personally i hate the damn things, like i hate any large aggregation of likely-to-change-rapidly information without good mechanisms for staying up to date...
|| [[#t16:04:05|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:12"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | ok, so tell me what's the difference between knowledge base and a wiki? :)
|| [[#t16:04:12|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:31"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Microsoft's sucks
|| [[#t16:04:31|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:39"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Indeed, it is often useless
|| [[#t16:04:39|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:54"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | a well organized wiki is more granular and hence tends to have a better 'ownership' stake
|| [[#t16:04:54|16:04]]
|- id="t16:05:10"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | chenrano2002
| style="color: #a25555" | newers need docs, so is it possible to convert/public useful wiki to PDF format for reading locally?
|| [[#t16:05:10|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | in a good wiki, some person/people or group is clearly the owner of a given page and should update it
|| [[#t16:05:23|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:23"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | what would be the benefit of a knowledge base for us then?
|| [[#t16:05:23|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | yeah, i'm struggling
|| [[#t16:05:30|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | Oxf13: is there any more detail on the idea?
|| [[#t16:05:33|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | what's the proposed format/content of the knowledge base? how is it differentiated from the wiki? how would it be written/maintained?
|| [[#t16:05:48|16:05]]
|- id="t16:06:15"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | thanks for formulating those questions, adamw
|| [[#t16:06:15|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:51"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska back
|| [[#t16:06:51|16:06]]
|- id="t16:07:15"
| colspan="2" | * kparal gives jlaska the throne back
|| [[#t16:07:15|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:24"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I myself rather enjoy the idea of PDFs for basic stuff, but then one can just save the Wiki page
|| [[#t16:07:24|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: no sir ... take us to the end :)
|| [[#t16:07:25|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | don't want to distrupt the flow as much as I already have
|| [[#t16:07:43|16:07]]
|- id="t16:08:09"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | we're just struggling with finding differences between knowledge base and wiki
|| [[#t16:08:09|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't know if there was anything actionable with this topic
|| [[#t16:08:33|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:36"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | alright, seems Oxf13 is away, we can discuss it next time
|| [[#t16:08:36|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:49"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:08:49|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:49"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | sure
|| [[#t16:08:49|16:08]]
|- id="t16:09:07"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | anything else anyone?
|| [[#t16:09:07|16:09]]
|- id="t16:09:09"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | sorry I was on another call.
|| [[#t16:09:09|16:09]]
|- id="t16:09:12"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | ah
|| [[#t16:09:12|16:09]]
|- id="t16:09:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | Oxf13
| style="color: #97974f" | adamw: basically the idea of having a Fedora KB has been kicked around by a couple people, and before we put any resources into it, we have to make sure there will be somebody to consume/contribute to it, so that it'll be useful use of our resources.
|| [[#t16:09:51|16:09]]
|- id="t16:10:06"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base
|| [[#t16:10:06|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:12"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | are there answers to the above question?
|| [[#t16:10:12|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:16"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | questions*
|| [[#t16:10:16|16:10]]
|- id="t16:10:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: nothing here ... let's come back to this when there is something more tangible
|| [[#t16:10:47|16:10]]
|- id="t16:11:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it could be a compelling discussion ... if there is a proposal or existing solution etc.. ??
|| [[#t16:11:04|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #topic Open discussion &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:11:04|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | my $0.02 at least
|| [[#t16:11:13|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:22"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | jraber
| style="color: #5959a9" | regarding bug 552423, if nobody has an update, should I ping the maintainer? (should I save this for the bugzappers meeting tomorrow?)
|| [[#t16:11:22|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:32"
! style="background-color: #488888" | adamw
| style="color: #488888" | if the idea is just 'something called a knowledge base' then i'd say, no, on the surface it seems to be just a duplication of the wiki and i can't see any added value. but we need more detail to provide sensible feedback.
|| [[#t16:11:32|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:39"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jraber: please raise this question in #fedora-qa channel
|| [[#t16:11:39|16:11]]
|- id="t16:11:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yup
|| [[#t16:11:45|16:11]]
|- id="t16:12:27"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | alright, let's wait a minute and then close this meeting if noone objects
|| [[#t16:12:27|16:12]]
|- id="t16:13:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I can think of nothing else
|| [[#t16:13:12|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:18"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | thanks all for attending
|| [[#t16:13:18|16:13]]
|- id="t16:13:22"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:13:22|16:13]]
|}
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

Regrets:

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future
    See https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html
  2. wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage
  3. Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review
    See User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd
  4. robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs
    fedora-infrastructure ticket#2241
  5. jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content
    QA/Fedora_14_test_days, Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days, Category:Fedora_14_Test_Days
  6. jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check
    autoqa ticket#190
  7. jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value

F14 QA Recommendations

Owner - User:Jlaska
Summary
Jlaska organized Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective feedback into a list of QA recommendations for Fedora 14.
Jlaska filed tickets for improvements, see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014
Next steps...
  1. If you are looking for a way to get involved in Fedora QA ... start here
  2. Don't see something you'd like to work on ... Create fedora-qa ticket

Proventester Update

Owner - User:Maxamillion, User:Adamwill
Summary
Adam Miller announced that the proventesters wiki page (QA/JoinProvenTesters) is no longer a draft.
There are several TRAC requests to join the proventesters group.
User:Adamwill drafted proventester instructions and sent to the list for review.
Next steps

AutoQA

Automate Package Update Acceptance Test Plan

Owner - User:wwoods
Summary
The immediate goal is to automate the QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan. The team met and discussed task priorities and agreed on the following prioritization
Next steps...
  • jlaska working with infrastructure on several tasks
  1. fedora-infrastructure ticket#2221 - route http://autoqa.fedoraproject.org -> qa01
  2. fedora-infrastructure ticket#2230 - create mysql database for autotest on db1
  3. fedora-infrastructure ticket#2242 = Limit access to test systems qa01.c.fp.org through qa06.c.fp.org
  4. jlaska - set up another private virtual autotest-server
  5. jlaska - find a machine where resultdb may run (it can be VM, publicly accessible preferred)
  6. jskladan, wwoods - bodhi hook needs to be tested -- autoqa ticket#87
  7. autoqa ticket#195 - Create a helloworld test for use with testing hook
  8. standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon

Resultdb

Owner - User:jskladan
Summary
autoqa ticket#145
Test instance up'n'running on one of our machines
Rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the result data inside.
Next steps...
  1. Finish updating other tests to store results in resultdb
  2. Setup autotest-server instance to use these tests
  3. Once results are posted into resultsdb ... start working on a front-end

Labels

Owner - User:kparal
Summary
autoqa ticket#181 - Implement *quick* virtualization support to allow for destructive tests
Kparal created a labels git branch to track development (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html
announcement])
Next steps...
  1. Determine format of labels to use (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html
discussion])
  1. Complete script to help manage virtual guests that will be used by the labels

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

colleges to help testing

Owner - User:j_dulaney
Summary
idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing
Next steps ...
  1. dulaney will ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join
  2. Adamw offered QA help if there are any questions or interest

Knowledge base

Owner - User:jkeating
Summary
Jkeating asked the group if a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts?
The team discussed the idea of a knowledge base, but there wasn't anything tangible to offer feedback on
Next steps ...
  1. Continue to refine the idea/proposal

Upcoming QA events

  • 2010-07-08 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
  • 2010-07-15 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
  • 2010-07-22 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
  • 2010-07-23 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #1
  • 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #2

Action items

  1. jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value
  2. j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 14:59
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jun 28 14:59:56 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:59
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 14:59
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 14:59
jlaska #chair kparal 15:00
zodbot Current chairs: jlaska kparal 15:00
jlaska #topic Gathering critical mass 15:00
* jskladan steps out of the shadows :) 15:00
* kparal looks around 15:00
* wwoods puts down his beer^Wcoffee 15:00
jlaska jskladan: kparal: greetings 15:00
jlaska wwoods: it's noon somewhere :) 15:01
hicham i d highly suggest to add the eds mess 15:01
hicham to the agenda 15:01
* Viking-Ice stands since there are no chairs left! 15:01
wwoods hicham: why, exactly, is that a QA problem? 15:01
hicham wwoods: i think it is qa problem, since updates are now broken 15:01
jlaska hicham: you're welcome to bring up any QA suggestions related to that build during open discussion 15:01
wwoods hicham: yes, but we already have plans for tests in place to keep that sort of thing from happening 15:02
hicham wwoods: ah ok, thanks 15:02
wwoods in the meantime it's still up to developers to *not* mess up the deps in the repos 15:02
wwoods and they keep doing it 15:02
wwoods this does not change our plans any 15:02
wwoods nor is it our fault that it keeps happening 15:03
adamw morningalydoodly 15:03
jlaska hicham: for offline reading enjoyment ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Package_Update_Acceptance_Test_Plan 15:03
jlaska adamw: welcome 15:03
jlaska Viking-Ice: lurking? 15:03
Viking-Ice Yup 15:03
jlaska hey there 15:03
jlaska alrighty, let's get movin' 15:03
wwoods I completely understand the frustration though 15:03
jlaska I'm going to breeze through the follow-up items ... I've got details on most of them ... 15:04
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:04
jlaska #info adamw to forward wwoods a good explanation of the nss-softokn problem scenario to ensure autoqa catches it in future 15:04
jlaska #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000703.html 15:04
jlaska next up ... 15:04
jlaska wwoods: you were out last week, so surprise, I added an agenda item for you! 15:05
wwoods haa 15:05
jlaska queue the balloons and streamers 15:05
wwoods hooray! lucky winner! 15:05
jlaska wwoods: dunno if you have any updates, since this might be the first you saw of it ... 15:05
jlaska #info wwoods to evaluate nss-softokn dependency problem for proper 'depcheck' coverage 15:05
wwoods I don't recall the explanation of the exact dep problem 15:05
jlaska wwoods: we can follow-up on autoqa-devel list ... checkout the description adamw sent (see previous #link) 15:06
* skvidal recalls 15:06
* adamw re-assigned all his work to wwoods and went golfing 15:06
skvidal the nss-softokn thing was just a multilib issue iirc 15:06
adamw check your to-do list 15:06
hicham x86_64 version was older than i686 one 15:07
skvidal ie: the lib didn't get auto pulled in as multlib by mash for the update 15:07
skvidal but it did get pulled in for the GA 15:07
skvidal hicham: right 15:07
jlaska I think the only action here is to review whether this is something depcheck would have captured 15:07
adamw skvidal: as jlaska says i already sent a description to autoqa-devel list 15:07
skvidal adamw: sorry 15:07
adamw npnp :) 15:07
jlaska wwoods: okay taking this to the list? 15:07
wwoods yeah, that's fine 15:07
* jlaska has Michael McDonald in his head now 15:07
jlaska wwoods: thx 15:08
jlaska next up ... 15:08
jlaska #info Viking-Ice will start 'how to debug systemd problems' guide and send to list for review 15:08
wwoods quick summary: we'll want to write test case for that situation - and all the other common "your repos asplode" problems 15:08
Viking-Ice yup have started to work on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips 15:08
jlaska Viking-Ice: I see you've already got quite a bit of content 15:08
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Johannbg/QA/Systemd#Quick_Debugging_Tips 15:08
j_dulaney Crap, was in the head too long 15:08
jlaska jskladan: welcome :) 15:09
jlaska Viking-Ice: very nice ... anything you want to follow-up with next week ... or should we stay tuned to test@ mailing list 15:09
Viking-Ice We hit a bit of snag at work this last week so the work got a bit halted + I still have not contacted Lennart about several things. 15:09
Viking-Ice I will post the page for the list for review once I'm done 15:10
jlaska Viking-Ice: awesome, thanks again for tackling this 15:10
Viking-Ice has releng got any plans on when we will switch to use systemd by default 15:10
jlaska up next ... 15:10
jlaska #info robatino to ask infrastructure team to archive previous RCs/TCs 15:10
jlaska #link http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2241 15:10
jlaska I haven't seen any updates on this yet, we may wish to reach out to infrastructure@ list also 15:11
jlaska next ... 15:11
jlaska #info jlaska to review F14 test day wiki content 15:11
jlaska Nothing earth shattering here, just priming the wiki content for F14 test days 15:11
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_14_test_days 15:11
jlaska If anyone has ideas or suggestions, feel free to write them down on the talk page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Talk:QA/Fedora_14_test_days 15:12
jlaska next ... 15:12
jlaska #info jlaska to create a ticket about possible enhancement/new test case for ABI stability check 15:12
jlaska #link http://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/190 15:12
jlaska that's been queued up for the copious spare time we all have lurking just around the corner! 15:12
jlaska and last ... 15:12
jlaska #info jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value 15:12
jlaska I looked at this briefly, but don't have any new content to offer yet 15:13
jlaska this should only take a minute or two though ... will knock this out for next week 15:13
jlaska #action jlaska to cleanup (or remove) the Critical Path Packages#Background section so that it provides _some_ value 15:13
jlaska okay ... time for the main event 15:13
jlaska #topic Fedora 14 QA Recommendations 15:14
jlaska You're probably getting tire of me saying it by now P) 15:14
* Oxf13 peeks in 15:14
jlaska Oxf13: howdy 15:14
jlaska so I'm just about done with filing tickets for the recommendations wiki 15:14
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations 15:15
j_dulaney An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing 15:15
jlaska there are a few more that I've not yet filed ... but the bulk is complete 15:15
adamw i guess we should make sure all the tickets are assigned appropriately? 15:15
jlaska adamw: yup, I'm going to take this off the list ... and the next step is we get to work the queue 15:15
adamw j_dulaney: there's an open floor section at the end of the meeting, can you raise it there? thanks. just keeps things on track =) 15:15
jlaska #info Next step, start to work the ticket queue ... https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/milestone/Fedora%2014 15:16
Oxf13 A little late, but due to some internal communication, I want to ask this group if they thought a Fedora Knowledge Base would be useful to your efforts? 15:16
Oxf13 as a recommendation for future Fedora releases. 15:16
* jlaska adds to open-floor ideas 15:16
jlaska last point here ... if there is something you were itching to work on for Fedora 14 QA ... and there isn't a ticket 15:17
jlaska not to worry :) Just file a ticket and start workin' 15:17
jlaska Oxf13: btw ... I think that was down as a wishlist topic ... checking ... 15:18
Oxf13 ok 15:18
jlaska Oxf13: same general idea ... "jlaska - Pony - some web tool to help collaborative problem debugging. Similar to http://answers.yahoo.com/ perhaps? " 15:18
Oxf13 k 15:18
jlaska definitely filed under my pony category :) 15:18
jlaska but "knowledge base" might be a more appropriate title 15:19
jlaska okay ... any other comments on the retrospective or recommendations? 15:19
jlaska I'm not planning on including this topic in future meetings 15:19
adamw nup, just good job, thanks :) 15:19
jlaska thanks all for the feedback, I hope I captured a manageable set of tasks for us on F14 15:20
jlaska #topic Proventester update 15:20
jlaska adamw: I have this as a running meeting topic, but I don't know if there are any updates this week 15:20
adamw nothing much has happened. really we're waiting on bodhi now. 15:21
adamw the only thing i considered is adding some instructions for mentors as well as instructions for testers. 15:21
jlaska adamw: nice, so that means the proventester instructions dafrito and you worked on are complete? 15:21
j_dulaney It seems the Wiki entry could be cleaned up a bit 15:21
adamw i suppose it's worth nothing that the eds debacle gives a very clear indication of the need for this testing =) 15:21
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Proven_tester 15:21
j_dulaney Or I should say, made clearer 15:21
adamw jlaska: well, i can't see any way to improve them 15:21
adamw j_dulaney: which wiki entry, and what do you suggest could be improved? 15:22
jlaska adamw: nice, I call that complete! :D 15:22
adamw jlaska: either that or i suck, yep =) 15:22
j_dulaney adamw: preoventester 15:22
adamw the page jlaska just linked to? 15:22
j_dulaney Indeed 15:23
adamw what do you suggest changing? 15:23
j_dulaney I'm thinking a little more on the mentoring and approval process 15:24
jlaska j_dulaney: ah, I think something adamw mentioned he might like to see. We'd welcome any content to get things started 15:25
adamw note that there is also the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters page 15:25
adamw we should probably clean up the naming of both pages to be more co-operative 15:25
j_dulaney Indeed. I seem to have missed that 15:25
j_dulaney Maybe combine them? 15:26
adamw possibly 15:26
j_dulaney The joinproventesters seems rather short to have its own entry 15:26
adamw we can basically choose to have one big 'everything about proven testers' page, or probably three separate pages for process, joining, mentoring 15:26
adamw one page is a nice simple concept, i just would want to make sure it doesn't get too long and hard to follow 15:27
* adamw 's sworn enemy is the eye-glaze effect ;) 15:27
jlaska I know that enemy 15:27
adamw otherwise known as tl;dr 15:27
j_dulaney That's why I tend to print :) 15:28
adamw (took me years to figure out what that meant) 15:28
j_dulaney Read through long bits of code, much? 15:28
Oxf13 this is where you really wish for "collapsable" sections in mediawiki 15:28
Oxf13 collapse all the sections by default except for the common top section, then expand the sub-sections as desired, for each of joining / mentoring 15:29
adamw yeah, that would be ideal 15:29
* ianweller peeks in 15:29
jlaska Oxf13: I think rhe found an option that might be available to anyone interested 15:29
adamw jlaska: i thought that was tables? 15:29
jlaska in fact, I think ianweller helped with adding the collapse css 15:29
jlaska adamw: yeah, but I believe there is similar support for <div>'s too 15:30
ianweller yeah i added css/javascript for collapsing tables 15:30
jlaska but I could definitely be *wrong* 15:30
jlaska rhe would know best 15:30
jlaska or of course our wiki master ... ianweller 15:30
adamw j_dulaney: it's something i try to avoid ;) 15:30
jlaska but anyway ... adamw j_dulaney: anything you guys want to try on the wiki for next week? 15:30
j_dulaney jlaska: Sure 15:31
adamw j_dulaney: if you could make a separate draft of a combined page in your personal space on the wiki and send it to the list for comments that'd be awesome 15:31
j_dulaney adamw: Indeed 15:31
adamw i'd like to know what aaron thinks too since he did such an awesome job on the proventesters page 15:31
jlaska good point! 15:31
adamw (aaron = dafrito, not sure if he's around) 15:32
jlaska grab and #action items you want ... otherwise, I'll keep this #topic on the agenda for our next meeting 15:32
adamw #action j_dulaney to draft a combined proventesters / joinproventesters wiki page for list review 15:33
jlaska ianweller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NavFrame 15:33
j_dulaney #grab draft 15:34
j_dulaney Got it, will do 15:34
ianweller jlaska: i saw that, but it's not really making collapsible sections automaticaly 15:34
ianweller i can't spell today 15:34
jlaska ianweller: yeah, you're right 15:34
adamw ianweller: hey, at least you didn't say automagically 15:35
adamw there's a word that makes me want to punch things 15:35
* jlaska notes :) 15:35
jlaska okay, thanks adamw and j_dulaney 15:35
jlaska (and of course dafrito) 15:35
jlaska next up ... 15:35
j_dulaney the dude that taught me to program did things magically 15:35
adamw unless his name was otto, you're good 15:36
jlaska kparal: I just joined this other meeting, do you mind taking the #chair from here? 15:36
adamw (thank you, thank you, i'm here all week) 15:36
jlaska tip your waiter 15:36
kparal jlaska: sure 15:36
j_dulaney Wish I could afford to go somewhere with a waiter 15:36
* kparal looking for agenda 15:36
jlaska kparal: I asked wwoods to drive the autoqa update for today 15:37
adamw hey, denny's has waiters. technically. 15:37
kparal so, we can hop on the AutoQA, right? 15:37
jlaska kparal: yeah, that's next 15:37
kparal #topic AutoQA update 15:37
kparal wwoods: you have the mic! 15:37
wwoods HELLO FEDORA QA 15:38
wwoods ARE YOU READY TO ROOOOOOCK 15:38
wwoods ahem sorry. 15:38
kparal *applaud 15:38
j_dulaney I've already got some Godsmack going 15:38
jlaska haha 15:38
adamw WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 15:38
wwoods so last week we (finally) got the post-bodhi-update hook merged 15:38
chenrano2002 gogogogo 15:38
* adamw jumps on someone's head 15:38
adamw yay 15:39
jlaska welcome chenrano2002! 15:39
wwoods we're working on a new 'helloworld' test to make sure the bodhi-watcher and autoqa hook are working properly 15:39
chenrano2002 yes, I'm here:) 15:39
j_dulaney in what language? 15:39
kparal #info post-bodhi-update hook is merged 15:39
wwoods the target is, of course, the 'depcheck' test 15:39
wwoods which should check all new proposed updates for dependency breakage 15:39
kparal #info 'helloworld' test is a new big task now ;) 15:40
wwoods and refuse to let rel-eng move packages that might break the repos 15:40
chenrano2002 helloworld is really needed for newbie, I hope to see it 15:40
adamw *fanfare* 15:40
wwoods but that's a complex test that will require help from infrastructure/releng to set up properly 15:40
j_dulaney Where can I go to read up on autoqa? 15:41
wwoods so the helloworld test (written in python, like all the autoqa stuff) is what we'll use to test out the new hook. 15:41
wwoods https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ is where the code lives 15:41
j_dulaney Roger 15:41
wwoods https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA is where the wiki docs are 15:41
kparal ok, thanks wwoods 15:42
kparal anything else from your end? 15:42
jlaska wwoods: what can I help with to complete that helloworld? 15:42
jlaska I think you and kparal had some run_once() suggestions ... just combine those and test? 15:42
wwoods there's more autoqa stuff going on, but I think kparal & jskladan will have more to say about that 15:42
kparal jlaska: I believe so 15:42
wwoods jlaska: yeah - go for the quick-n-dirty-and-simple test and just dump locals() 15:43
jlaska kparal: wwoods: (helloworld) ... okay thanks, I'll update the ticket 15:43
* Viking-Ice starts Moshing. . . . 15:43
wwoods in the next week or two we might have a discussion about standardizing hook argument names, or tweaking the convention for passing hook args 15:43
wwoods but don't let that stop you from getting helloworld working now. 15:43
kparal #topic AutoQA update - resultdb 15:43
jlaska at first, helloworld will just work with post-bodhi-update? 15:43
kparal er 15:43
kparal #topic AutoQA update 15:44
jlaska kparal: sorry ... keep going, I'll follow-up with you guys on fedora-qa after 15:44
* kparal misclicked 15:44
kparal #info standardization of hook argument names will be discussed soon 15:44
chenrano2002 kaparal can't wait to share his idea:) 15:44
kparal jlaska: I believe helloworld should work for any hook 15:45
kparal it will be just a generic test that will print out incoming arguments 15:45
kparal that's all 15:45
kparal and reports success :) 15:45
jlaska kparal: right, just didn't know how far you guys wanted me to go with this 15:45
jlaska but I'll hold off the standardization of hook args for later 15:46
j_dulaney No pretty stuff on screen? 15:46
kparal maybe it could draw a pony 15:46
j_dulaney YAY 15:46
kparal alright, ready for jskladan's update? 15:46
kparal #topic AutoQA update - resultdb 15:46
jskladan well, updates on the ResultsDB front - i have a testing instance up'n'running on one of our machines (kudos to jlaska & infrastracture team), i already rewrote initscripts & rpmlint tests (see jskladan branch in autoqa git) so they store the data inside. I'll finish the other tests during this week and will set up the testing autotest-server instance so it runs these tests :) 15:46
adamw sounds nice! 15:47
kparal #info resultdb running on our staging server 15:47
jskladan so stay tuned for the magical tool being filled with data :) 15:47
jskladan and once there is some reasonable specimen 15:47
jskladan we can start working on some frontends 15:48
adamw is it magical and revolutionary? 15:48
kparal adamw: you bet 15:48
j_dulaney Can it make a cheesesteak appear in front of me? 15:48
jskladan so that's about it on the resultsDB for now :) 15:49
kparal ok, thanks jskladan 15:49
kparal #topic AutoQA update - autotest labels 15:49
kparal and now for something different 15:49
jskladan j_dulaney: only if you can pronounce the mighty words of power :)) 15:49
kparal I have created 'labels' branch that contains patched autoqa that can use autotest labels properly 15:50
kparal at least I hope so 15:50
j_dulaney jskladan: I know not this heavy wizardry, yet 15:50
kparal announcement here 15:50
kparal #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000742.html 15:50
kparal we should now be able to specify "this test must run on Fedora 12", even dynamically 15:50
wwoods hooray! 15:50
adamw shiny! 15:50
wwoods that was a big missing piece for a while, this is totally awesome 15:51
kparal and we're now discussing best names for our labels: 15:51
kparal #link https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2010-June/000740.html 15:51
wwoods does it just look for an existing machine that matches the labels, or can we actually spin up VMs as needed? 15:51
kparal wwoods: it doesn't check for anything, it just schedules the job and atest takes care of the rest 15:52
kparal if there is no machine matching that label, I guess it stays scheduled indefinitely 15:52
kparal there are certainly areas for improvement :) 15:52
kparal I still have to test is properly 15:52
j_dulaney So, how would I go about getting my machines talking to it all? 15:53
kparal #info autotest labels can now be used when patched autoqa from 'labels' branch is used 15:53
wwoods j_dulaney: at this point, you don't. Although you can certainly run the tests at home if you like 15:53
kparal I'm also working on a script that will ease VM installation for us, that's a second thing. I want to use it for my 'labels' testing 15:54
kparal alright, that's from me 15:54
adamw and you can set up your own autoqa server also. since, y'know, we're showing it's so damn easy ;) 15:54
j_dulaney woods: right 15:54
kparal #topic Open discussion <your topic here> 15:55
kparal now type your ideas 15:55
adamw we've had two mentioned earlier already 15:55
adamw i believe j_dulaney was first 15:55
kparal ok, what was the name of the idea? 15:55
* kparal scrolls back 15:55
kparal j_dulaney: An idea: get various small technical and comunity colleges to help with testing 15:56
kparal #topic Open discussion - colleges to help testing 15:56
j_dulaney I was thinking of getting IT type classes at said colleges to do some of the testing for us 15:56
adamw we've actually had one case of that already 15:56
kparal j_dulaney: so what do you suggest should be done and how can you help? :) 15:57
adamw vedran miletic teaches classes at a university, and he integrates Bugzappers into that; we've helped him out with having his students do some triage work a couple of times 15:57
adamw it is a neat system 15:57
wwoods is there a school you're in touch with where you could start such a program? 15:57
wwoods oh cool so there's some documented prior work on how to do this stuff? 15:58
j_dulaney at the local community college, I know the instructer that teaches the appropriate class 15:58
j_dulaney I can't think of what said class is called at the moment, massive brain fart here 15:59
j_dulaney Anyway, I'm sure he'd be happy to have his students try to break applications once in a while. 15:59
adamw well for sure ask if the instructor's interested, and point to the QA/Join page for ideas - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Join 15:59
j_dulaney Roger that 16:00
adamw if they'd like to try any of that stuff we can certainly arrange to help them out 16:00
kparal ok, if you have some contacts, try to lure them to us, sounds good :) 16:00
j_dulaney I could also do the same thing at the local high school when class starts back up this fall 16:00
adamw yup 16:01
kparal ok, thanks 16:01
kparal what was the other idea? 16:01
kparal #topic Open discussion <your topic here> 16:01
* jraber wonders if anyone has heard an update regarding bug 552423 It is a COMMONBUG, but the last time I checked it was the only COMMONBUG with no workaround or planned fix 16:01
kparal .bug 552423 16:02
zodbot kparal: Bug 552423 [abrt] crash in gnome-panel (/usr/libexec/wnck-applet @ wncklet_connect_while_alive / wncklet.c:183) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=552423 16:02
adamw kparal: it was from oxf13 regarding a knowledge base 16:02
kparal #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base 16:03
adamw personally i hate the damn things, like i hate any large aggregation of likely-to-change-rapidly information without good mechanisms for staying up to date... 16:04
kparal ok, so tell me what's the difference between knowledge base and a wiki? :) 16:04
j_dulaney Microsoft's sucks 16:04
j_dulaney Indeed, it is often useless 16:04
adamw a well organized wiki is more granular and hence tends to have a better 'ownership' stake 16:04
chenrano2002 newers need docs, so is it possible to convert/public useful wiki to PDF format for reading locally? 16:05
adamw in a good wiki, some person/people or group is clearly the owner of a given page and should update it 16:05
kparal what would be the benefit of a knowledge base for us then? 16:05
adamw yeah, i'm struggling 16:05
adamw Oxf13: is there any more detail on the idea? 16:05
adamw what's the proposed format/content of the knowledge base? how is it differentiated from the wiki? how would it be written/maintained? 16:05
kparal thanks for formulating those questions, adamw 16:06
* jlaska back 16:06
* kparal gives jlaska the throne back 16:07
j_dulaney I myself rather enjoy the idea of PDFs for basic stuff, but then one can just save the Wiki page 16:07
jlaska kparal: no sir ... take us to the end :) 16:07
jlaska don't want to distrupt the flow as much as I already have 16:07
kparal we're just struggling with finding differences between knowledge base and wiki 16:08
jlaska I don't know if there was anything actionable with this topic 16:08
kparal alright, seems Oxf13 is away, we can discuss it next time 16:08
kparal #topic Open discussion <your topic here> 16:08
adamw sure 16:08
kparal anything else anyone? 16:09
Oxf13 sorry I was on another call. 16:09
adamw ah 16:09
Oxf13 adamw: basically the idea of having a Fedora KB has been kicked around by a couple people, and before we put any resources into it, we have to make sure there will be somebody to consume/contribute to it, so that it'll be useful use of our resources. 16:09
kparal #topic Open discussion - Knowledge base 16:10
adamw are there answers to the above question? 16:10
adamw questions* 16:10
jlaska adamw: nothing here ... let's come back to this when there is something more tangible 16:10
jlaska I think it could be a compelling discussion ... if there is a proposal or existing solution etc.. ?? 16:11
kparal #topic Open discussion <your topic here> 16:11
jlaska my $0.02 at least 16:11
jraber regarding bug 552423, if nobody has an update, should I ping the maintainer? (should I save this for the bugzappers meeting tomorrow?) 16:11
adamw if the idea is just 'something called a knowledge base' then i'd say, no, on the surface it seems to be just a duplication of the wiki and i can't see any added value. but we need more detail to provide sensible feedback. 16:11
kparal jraber: please raise this question in #fedora-qa channel 16:11
jlaska adamw: yup 16:11
kparal alright, let's wait a minute and then close this meeting if noone objects 16:12
j_dulaney I can think of nothing else 16:13
kparal thanks all for attending 16:13
kparal #endmeeting 16:13

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