Latest revision as of 16:38, 9 August 2010

Attendees

People present (lines said):

jlaska (154)
adamw (71)
wwoods (32)
dgilmore (19)
j_dulaney (18)
kparal (12)
skvidal (10)
zodbot (8)
fcami (8)
redwolfe (7)
fenrus02 (7)
lmacken (5)
Viking-Ice (4)
poelcat (3)
vaschenb (2)

Unable to attend:

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria
- No updates, pre-occupied with Alpha testing. Keep on the list for next week.

F14 Alpha test milestones

Owner - User:rhe

Summary

F-14 Alpha RC#2 compose CD and DVD images are available for test (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3856)

Next steps...

Continue posting test results (installer or desktop)

Review blocker bugs

RHBZ #597858 - Move 597858 back to VERIFIED ... updated packages available but not yet pushed to updates-testing

RHBZ #619889 - newer dbus needs to be included with systemd-6-2 update

RHBZ #620211 - updated eclipse-pydev available to resolve this dependency issue

RHBZ #621864 - possible bug in potential_conflict.py test script. Skvidal looking for confirmation from rpm maintainers for expected behavior. That feedback will confirm whether rpm bug or test script bug.

RHBZ #622058 - basically the problem is that the 'firstboot' service makes several assumptions that get broken in systemd-land. Mgracik needed to help move this forward

AutoQA update

Owner - User:wwoods
Summary: last week we merged (what I believe to be) the last of the foundation stuff we wanted to get into autoqa before F14; depcheck work became the primary focus
Next steps...: Upgrade path test -- autoqa ticket#123; Standardize hook args -- autoqa ticket#199; Update Writing_AutoQA_Tests to match the recent changes (control.autoqa, using AutoQATest, hook args, etc.); Write a control.autoqa and some test cases for depcheck -- autoqa ticket#202; More depcheck activities (see roadmap)

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Upcoming QA events

2010-07-29 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
2010-08-05 - Test Alpha Candidate
2010-08-06 - [Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #4]
2010-08-11 - Fedora 14 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (17:00 EST)
2010-08-12 - Fedora 14 Alpha Release Readiness Meeting
2010-08-17 - Alpha Public Availability

Action items

adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria
jlaska to inquire how frequently boot.fp.org gets updated F-14 install images
621864 - jlaska to check-in with skvidal to see whether potential_conflict.py script updates are required for proper %ghost handling
622058 - jlaska to ping mgracik for guidance on pending firstboot changes

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Aug 9 15:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Gathering ...	15:00
jlaska	alright, roll-call time	15:00
* adamw sends j_dulaney out for taco bell		15:00
* fenrus02 waves		15:00
* wwoods jetpack pshoooo		15:00
jlaska	wwoods: awesome! :)	15:00
* poelcat		15:00
* kparal is here		15:00
* vaschenb		15:00
* adamw arrives. on a unicorn.		15:00
jlaska	fenrus02: adamw: poelcat: kparal: vaschenb: hi gang	15:01
* j_dulaney grabs the tacos		15:01
jlaska	adamw: please, we all know there is no suc ... woah!	15:01
adamw	take THAT, woods.	15:01
jlaska	j_dulaney: excellent :)	15:01
adamw	(and yes, that does make me the old spice guy.)	15:01
wwoods	...doesn't that mean you're a virgin?	15:01
* Viking-Ice shoots adamw unicorn....		15:01
jlaska	adamw: haha	15:01
adamw	wwoods: see above.	15:01
adamw	either a virgin or the old spice guy. little known loophole.	15:01
j_dulaney	LOL	15:02
j_dulaney	If I seem distracted today, it's because the Borg are attacking	15:02
* redwolfe is here		15:02
* adamw imagines everyone not from north america hitting up youtube		15:02
* wwoods looks down, looks up - hey! two tickets to that thing I wanted to see!		15:02
jlaska	redwolfe: welcome	15:02
adamw	hehe	15:02
redwolfe	thanks	15:03
jlaska	alright, I think we have critical mass ... let's get rolling	15:03
fenrus02	look at your man, now look at me. sadly, he is not me. but he could smell like me ..	15:03
jlaska	look down, look up ... and see no blocker bugs!	15:03
jlaska	sorry, lame ... but it was needed :)	15:04
fenrus02	jlaska: oh, i can fix that ...	15:04
jlaska	fenrus02: haha, I bet you can	15:04
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:04
jlaska	#info adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria	15:04
adamw	yeah, so, we suck	15:04
jlaska	Adam, I know I haven't touched this ... want me to leave this on for next week?	15:04
adamw	yup	15:04
jlaska	roger that	15:04
adamw	when we will no doubt not have done it again =)	15:04
jlaska	that's all I had from last week	15:04
jlaska	adamw: at least everyone can see that we suck ... transparency rocks	15:05
* j_dulaney has a transparant chat client		15:05
jlaska	besides, you've been busy with your hands in the release criteria for other issues	15:05
jlaska	alright ... time for the main event	15:05
jlaska	<ding> <ding>	15:05
jlaska	#topic F14 Alpha test update	15:06
jlaska	#info F-14 Alpha RC#2 compose CD and DVD images are available for test (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3856)	15:06
fenrus02	do the livecd images boot now?	15:06
jlaska	#info Test results being posted to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test	15:06
j_dulaney	Yum Update also works	15:06
j_dulaney	Or it did the last time I tried it Friday	15:07
jlaska	I'd like to spend a few minutes going through F14Alpha once again, but before we dive in ... any topics to hit first?	15:07
adamw	fenrus02: um. it sorta depends what systemd they've got right now.	15:07
redwolfe	non-DVD boot installs don't work	15:07
fenrus02	adamw: last night's daily?	15:07
jlaska	redwolfe: any particular bug for that?	15:07
redwolfe	the missing python headers	15:08
j_dulaney	Still?	15:08
fenrus02	wasnt a new .img file generated for that?	15:08
jlaska	redwolfe: hmm, that should be resolved by RC#1 and RC#2 ... can you confirm you're using anaconda-14.15-1?	15:08
redwolfe	14.12	15:08
redwolfe	have to update	15:09
jlaska	yeah, go ahead and update ... newer anaconda should solve that problem	15:09
jlaska	alright ... if nothing else ... let's walk the bug list	15:09
redwolfe	that's via BFO	15:10
j_dulaney	I'm having nouveau issues on my other laptop	15:10
jlaska	redwolfe: hmm, no idea how often that gets updated.	15:10
jlaska	#action jlaska to inquire how frequently boot.fp.org gets updated F-14 install images	15:11
jlaska	#topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597858	15:11
jlaska	poelcat just posted some feedback in this issue, but I think it's because the updated selinux-policy hasn't hit updates-testing yet?	15:12
adamw	yes.	15:13
jlaska	Jens has provided some positive feedback with the updated policy ... I'm not sure why updates-testing doesn't have it yet	15:13
adamw	frankly we could really do with an update push of all the relcrit updates.	15:13
jlaska	agreed ...	15:13
jlaska	can dgilmore assist with that?	15:13
adamw	until that happens, people doing net installs don't get them and live spins don't get them, so we have no rc2-equivalent live spins, which makes desktop testing difficult/impossible.	15:13
jlaska	poelcat: I'm going to move that bz back to VERIFIED	15:14
adamw	i'm not sure who to ask, i presume notting or dgilmore	15:14
jlaska	adamw: doesn't help that due to that other bug ... there is no such thing as a CD/DVD install right now	15:14
adamw	what other bug?	15:14
jlaska	well, that's supposed to impact virt only I gather	15:14
adamw	the udev one?	15:14
adamw	we have an update pending for that too	15:14
* j_dulaney notes that he hasn't been able to isntall from physical media yet		15:15
adamw	if that got pushed, live composes would work in virt. i've been building test live images here since friday which boot and install.	15:15
jlaska	.bug 621102	15:15
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 621102 The installer doesn't use packages repository in DVD as default - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621102	15:15
jlaska	adamw: so the pending udev update may resolve this?	15:15
adamw	jlaska: it should. it definitely resolves the live CD problem, which we believe has the same root cause.	15:16
jlaska	goodly	15:16
jlaska	#info Move 597858 back to VERIFIED ... updated packages available but not yet pushed to updates-testing	15:17
jlaska	#topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=619889	15:17
jlaska	same issue here I believe, the media contains systemd-6-2 ... but the repo's are downlevel	15:17
adamw	yes, with the wrinkle that the systemd 6-2 update request does not include the updated dbus package from the 5-2 update request	15:18
adamw	we need both systemd 6-2 and the updated dbus to get a fix	15:18
jlaska	dbus-1.3.2-0.1.885483.fc14 ?	15:18
jlaska	that appears to be the latest	15:19
adamw	yes	15:19
jlaska	okay	15:19
jlaska	adamw: do we need a new dbus bodhi request to get that out?	15:19
adamw	lennart should be able to edit the 6-2 update request and add the dbus update to it	15:20
adamw	that would be best as it would ensure we can't get one fix without the other	15:20
jlaska	yeah, that makes sense	15:20
adamw	people with super bodhi privileges could presumably do the same	15:20
jlaska	does he know to do this already, or does one of us need to reach out?	15:20
dgilmore	ive not done any pushing of things in bodhi because i did not want to screw things up for the alpha release	15:20
jlaska	dgilmore: we're building a list of things we'll need your help in pushing	15:21
adamw	jlaska: i've asked on both the bug report and the update request, so he should know	15:21
jlaska	adamw: okay	15:21
adamw	i can construct a to-do list for dgilmore in a bit	15:21
jlaska	adamw: ah thanks	15:21
dgilmore	jlaska: my main issue is that bodhi is kinda clunky for this	15:21
adamw	dgilmore: but broadly, at least all the stuff that was cherrypicked for rc2 needs to be pushed	15:21
dgilmore	and i dont want to mess it up	15:21
dgilmore	adamw: some of those things were only submitted to updates-testing not stable	15:21
jlaska	#action 619889 - newer dbus needs to be included with systemd-6-2 update	15:22
jlaska	dgilmore: yeah, there will likely be some process kinks to iron out here	15:22
jlaska	next up ...	15:22
jlaska	#topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620211	15:22
adamw	dgilmore: you can override and push 'em to stable anyway, i believe.	15:22
jlaska	adamw, I think with your provenpackager skills, we've knocked this out for now	15:22
* jlaska checks if updated eclipse-pydev landed on RC#2 media		15:23
adamw	dgilmore: critpath updates i believe have to be submitted to testing (the submitter can't pick stable), but once they pass critpath you can push them stable	15:23
dgilmore	adamw: sure but bodhi is still not simple to use to do this	15:23
adamw	dgilmore: ah :)	15:23
lmacken	dgilmore: suggestions & patches welcome	15:23
jlaska	indeed it did ... eclipse-pydev-1.5.9-2.fc14.i686	15:23
adamw	https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/eclipse-pydev-1.5.9-2.fc14 is the update for this bug	15:23
jlaska	adamw: right on ... and it seems to address the problem ... python-psyco is not on i386 DVD	15:24
jlaska	nice work adamw :)	15:24
adamw	yay	15:24
jlaska	so, shall we move this bug through the verification process ... or is a real fix needed by akurtakov post Alpha?	15:24
j_dulaney	It still probably wouldn't hurt to rebuild, no?	15:24
jlaska	j_dulaney: rebuild?	15:24
adamw	j_dulaney: it's not a rebuild, psyco needs substantial porting to work with py2.7	15:25
j_dulaney	adamw: that's what I meant	15:25
adamw	and yes, the bug should stay open as my fix really doesn't address the bug as reported there, it just works around the dependency implications for the DVD	15:25
jlaska	adamw: howabout I remove 620211 from blocking F14Alpha	15:25
jlaska	noting that the updated bodhi request you submitted resolves the dependency issue for now	15:25
adamw	jlaska: yes, that would be appropriate, but don't do it yet	15:25
j_dulaney	Like I said, I'm distracted	15:25
jlaska	j_dulaney: no worries :)	15:25
adamw	jlaska: the update isn't pushed, so it's still fragile; until it's pushed, we can still have a broken DVD if we forget to cherrypick the fix.	15:25
jlaska	adamw: gotcha	15:26
jlaska	#info updated https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/eclipse-pydev-1.5.9-2.fc14 removes python-psyco.i386 dependency	15:26
adamw	so that's one for dgilmore's todo list =)	15:26
dgilmore	lmacken: sure. not sure there is a really easy way to do it. which is why i played it safe here	15:26
dgilmore	jlaska: that should have been on the rc2 compose	15:26
jlaska	#action jlaska - update 620223 noting the updated eclipse-pydev package is needed to ensure missing dep is removed	15:26
jlaska	dgilmore: it appears to be, thx!	15:26
jlaska	okay, skipping a few ON_QA bugs, but can come back to them shortly ...	15:27
jlaska	#topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621864	15:27
adamw	well, that's special. audacious hangs my system on track switch, apparently. heh.	15:27
jlaska	dgilmore and I were chatting about this prior to the meeting	15:27
j_dulaney	adamw said special	15:28
dgilmore	at least postfix, exim and ssmtp changed to using %ghosting recently	15:28
jlaska	dgilmore: you suspected improper use of %ghost in the .spec for the related packages?	15:28
dgilmore	i think sendmail did also	15:28
dgilmore	jlaska: i think maybe. I not as familiar with %ghosting as i should be	15:29
dgilmore	I asked skvidal for some input also	15:29
skvidal	dgilmore: yes - and I gotdragged sideways	15:29
skvidal	I	15:29
dgilmore	But this might just be a red herring	15:29
dgilmore	skvidal: :) thats fine	15:29
skvidal	sorry about that	15:29
* fcami is late.		15:29
jlaska	fcami: welcome :)	15:29
fcami	ty jlaska :)	15:29
jlaska	dgilmore: re: red herring ... do you suspect the test case is broken?	15:30
dgilmore	jlaska: potentially,	15:30
dgilmore	all the packages touch the file at build time	15:30
dgilmore	so rpms might be keeping a different sha sum	15:30
skvidal	so the point of the ghosts is so a pkg can say "I own this file which doesn't exist"	15:30
skvidal	so when the pkg is removed	15:30
skvidal	it can clean it up	15:31
dgilmore	but it does't actually have a file in rpm from memory	15:31
skvidal	it also helps rpm when making disk-space required estimates	15:31
fcami	all four mtas can be installed at the same time, and if %ghost usage is new in f14, I think the script should be updated.	15:31
skvidal	what is the program which is doing the testing?	15:31
jlaska	http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob_plain;f=tests/conflicts/potential_conflict.py;hb=HEAD	15:31
jlaska	skvidal ^^ potential_conflicts.py	15:32
jlaska	#info all 4 packages can be installed at the same time ... possible test case bug to properly handle %ghost files	15:32
fcami	basically, if it's a ghost, it's added to the file list	15:32
fcami	and the file list is what is used to check conflicts	15:32
fcami	there's missing logic to handle that.	15:33
* skvidal checks the headers of one of the pkgs		15:33
jlaska	wwoods: kparal ... we're almost through the bug list for F14Alpha. Will be coming to AutoQA depcheck next	15:34
* kparal hooray		15:34
jlaska	alright, well ... I think we have enough now to suspect the test case for this issue	15:35
jlaska	will continue to track that after the meeting, and hopefully update that test case as needed	15:36
jlaska	skvidal: okay if I follow-up with you on that?	15:36
skvidal	yah	15:36
jlaska	#action 621864 - jlaska to check-in with skvidal to see whether potential_conflict.py script updates are required for proper %ghost handling	15:37
jlaska	#topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=622058	15:37
fcami	I can try to fix the script as well	15:37
fcami	if that helps, skvidal, jlaska	15:37
jlaska	fcami: hey, I certainly wouldn't complain! I'll include you in the discussion too	15:37
adamw	so this is one i found on testing my custom live spins	15:37
jlaska	take it away adamw	15:37
adamw	you can see we've been discussed it over the last few days, i think we have a fix planned now that we should be able to land soon	15:37
adamw	basically the problem is that the 'firstboot' service makes several assumptions that get broken in systemd-land	15:38
adamw	so firstboot doesn't get run properly at all when your system is booting with systemd. the fix for this is to give firstboot a systemd native unit script which accounts for how systemd works.	15:38
jlaska	#info basically the problem is that the 'firstboot' service makes several assumptions that get broken in systemd-land	15:39
* adamw knows he uses the word 'basically' far too much. sorry :)		15:39
jlaska	adamw: will another systemd update be needed, or is this included in systemd-6.2?	15:39
* jlaska doesn't see it referenced in the %changelog		15:39
adamw	another systemd update is going to be needed to cope with one small wrinkle we need to handle starting different firstboot apps in text / graphical boot, yeah.	15:40
adamw	most of the fix is in the firstboot package, but we just realized we do need a systemd update too.	15:40
jlaska	who handles firstboot, mgracik?	15:40
adamw	apparently. clumens keeps un-ccing himself from the bug and assigning it to mgracik =)	15:41
jlaska	yup, mgracik is the man now	15:41
adamw	mschmidt posted an initial patch for firstboot but it will need some refining yet (it didn't account for the text/graphical wrinkle)	15:41
jlaska	iirc, I think he's offline now	15:41
adamw	see lennart's last comment	15:41
jlaska	'I will upload a new version of systemd shortly that has the mentioned "Who wins	15:42
jlaska	a conflict?" tweak added.'	15:42
adamw	yep.	15:43
jlaska	adamw: do we need another bz opened for firstboot?	15:43
jlaska	or just track both systemd + firstboot updates in this single issue	15:43
adamw	no, this bug is assigned to firstboot. technically we should open another bug for systemd, but meh.	15:43
adamw	since i never make mistakes, i'm sure we can track it in this bug and not have a problem. =)	15:43
jlaska	uh huh :)	15:43
dgilmore	right	15:43
jlaska	test feedback might be a bit odd	15:43
adamw	remember, i'm the old spice guy!	15:43
jlaska	oh right, nm :)	15:44
jlaska	has anyone been in contact with mgracik yet?	15:44
adamw	i haven't. don't know about the others.	15:44
adamw	of course, i can always commit the fix if necessary. MUAHAHAHA!	15:44
jlaska	it'd be nice to not come to that	15:45
adamw	yeah	15:45
jlaska	I'll reach out to mgracik after this	15:45
adamw	as you said, he doesn't seem to be around right now, though.	15:45
jlaska	#action 622058 - jlaska to ping mgracik for guidance on pending firstboot changes	15:45
jlaska	alright, that's it for blocker bugs	15:45
adamw	thanks. make sure he knows the patch currently in the bug isn't enough though, and he needs to either implement the stuff mentioned in comment #14 or wait for someone else to, before applying.	15:45
jlaska	will do	15:46
jlaska	I skipped 3 bugs that were in ON_QA, but I'm fairly positive these are in good shape	15:46
jlaska	.bug 621298	15:46
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 621298 Looks like python2.7 is breaking python-bugzilla package. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621298	15:46
jlaska	.bug 621200	15:46
adamw	(the existing patch just hardwired it to assume runlevel 5, so it would try and start graphical firstboot on a text install, which we don't want.)	15:46
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 621200 [abrt] systemd-units-5-2.fc15: selabel_lookup_common: Process /bin/systemctl was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=621200	15:46
jlaska	.bug 620949	15:46
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 620949 [abrt] gnome-panel-2.31.4-3.fc14: Process /usr/bin/gnome-panel was killed by signal 11 (SIGSEGV) - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620949	15:46
adamw	we just need to make sure the relevant updates get pushed	15:46
jlaska	ergh, something isn't right with bodhi and bugzilla integration lately	15:47
adamw	also, for info, i'm planning to push a fix for .bug 605519	15:47
adamw	.bug 605519	15:47
zodbot	adamw: Bug 605519 System does not poweroff - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=605519	15:47
adamw	it's not technically an alpha blocker, but i'd really like to have it fixed for alpha if we can squeeze it under the wire.	15:48
jlaska	adamw: can you add https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/glib2-2.25.13-1.fc14,gnome-panel-2.31.6-1.fc14 to the dgilmore list	15:48
adamw	jlaska: the one that currently exists entirely in my head? sure :)	15:48
dgilmore	reminds me i need to file a bug. my desktop started only powering off. even on a reboot	15:48
adamw	dgilmore: that's already filed i believe	15:48
jlaska	alright ... let's close out the testing topic here	15:48
* adamw doesn't have the number on hand, but i know it's one others are hitting (inc. me)		15:48
jlaska	we still have a fair amount of testing to perform against RC2 (and RC3 when it lands)	15:49
jlaska	As always, contributions (either wiki test results or mailing list feedback) are appreciated	15:49
jlaska	See ... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_14_Alpha_RC_Test_Results	15:49
jlaska	we have a schedule go/no_go meeting this Wednesday @ 17:00 EDT	15:49
adamw	sounds like we probably want an rc3 tomorrow at latest	15:50
jlaska	We're moving in the right direction, but still have a fair amount of testing (and respins) to accomplish by that time	15:50
fenrus02	adamw: yes please	15:50
jlaska	so I'm comfortable using the phrase "at risk"	15:50
poelcat	what's the confidence level of being able to say "GO" on Wed at this point?	15:50
jlaska	adamw: +1	15:50
adamw	poelcat: about 50/50 i'd say	15:50
jlaska	poelcat: it will require more unicorns	15:50
* adamw puts a call in to his supplier		15:51
* Viking-Ice more horns for me to collect..		15:51
jlaska	adamw has one so far ... but this will definitely need some stars aligning etc... to hit	15:51
jlaska	poelcat: ^^	15:51
* poelcat lights an extra candle plays bon jovi's "living on a prayer" :)		15:51
jlaska	alright ... you've waited patiently ... let me all introduce you to the AutoQA dream team ...	15:51
jlaska	poelcat: perfect!	15:51
jlaska	#topic AutoQA package acceptance update	15:52
* jlaska makes sure wwoods has enough fuel left in the jet pack		15:52
wwoods	ha	15:52
wwoods	so yeah - last week we merged (what I believe to be) the last of the foundation stuff we wanted to get into autoqa before F14 / depcheck work became the primary focus	15:53
* Viking-Ice hears team America theme song beneath QA dream team introduction....		15:53
Viking-Ice	Autoqa that is	15:53
wwoods	mostly that involved a) testing and merging jskladan's AutoQATest base-class rework	15:54
kparal	wwoods: maybe one more "foundation stuff" missing: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/199	15:54
kparal	but otherwise yes, there was a lot of important patches	15:54
wwoods	so now we can easily add default behavior to autoqa tests, like.. reporting to resultdb or sending email	15:55
wwoods	without a lot of cut-and-pasting into all the test classes	15:55
wwoods	kparal: good call, yes	15:55
wwoods	we should probably discuss that briefly and fix up the hooks with any changes we decide on	15:55
jlaska	#info last week we merged (what I believe to be) the last of the foundation stuff we wanted to get into autoqa before F14 / depcheck work became the primary focus	15:56
wwoods	anyway, we also fixed up the post-bodhi-update hook/watcher. well. mostly kparal fixed that stuff up	15:56
jlaska	cool, this was the stuff about choosing the right releases to monitor?	15:56
kparal	yes	15:57
wwoods	plus a couple bugfixes, yes	15:57
wwoods	we added a method to repoinfo - get_bodhi_releases() - that should return the list of active bodhi releases	15:57
wwoods	currently, maintaining that will require updates to repoinfo.conf when the bodhi configuration changes	15:57
jlaska	need me to whip up some wiki docs?	15:57
wwoods	so that's another thing to modify when we branch or EOL a release	15:58
kparal	jlaska: we need to update many wiki docs	15:58
wwoods	in the future we might want to be able to query that info from bodhi but this will work for now	15:58
jlaska	kparal: I meant to make sure we add/remove info for supported bodhi releases (like we do now for when a new Fedora Branch is created)	15:59
jlaska	wwoods: excellent	15:59
kparal	jlaska: some new SOPs? that could help us not forget, yes	15:59
wwoods	so! in the near future we should be: standardizing hook args, updating the wiki docs to match the recent changes (control.autoqa, using AutoQATest, hook args, etc.)	15:59
wwoods	and (possibly in parallel) writing a control.autoqa and some test cases for depcheck	16:00
kparal	#info in the near future we should be: standardizing hook args, updating the wiki docs to match the recent changes (control.autoqa, using AutoQATest, hook args, etc.)	16:00
kparal	#info and (possibly in parallel) writing a control.autoqa and some test cases for depcheck	16:00
* j_dulaney moves that wiki doc editing be made a priority		16:00
kparal	wwoods: you're the depcheck guru now, we need you to define some use cases for depcheck tests	16:01
jlaska	vaschenb: anything else you wanted to see in your upgrade-path test before moving that into master?	16:01
j_dulaney	Ugh, fell asleep	16:01
wwoods	kparal: sounds fine - I'll see how far I can get with that	16:01
lmacken	wwoods: you can easily hit curl https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/dist_tags to query bodhi's releases	16:01
vaschenb	jlaska: sure, I'm working on control updates-testing... so give me more time...	16:02
* lmacken should probably strip out the tg_flash from there		16:02
wwoods	lmacken: interesting, but AFAICT those aren't the strings that bodhi expects in the 'release' field for queries etc.	16:02
lmacken	wwoods: true. I'll add a fedora.client.BodhiClient.get_releases method	16:03
wwoods	which are (at the moment): ['F12', 'F13', 'F14']	16:03
wwoods	but then we still need some way of mapping tag <-> bodhi_release name <-> repo etc.	16:03
wwoods	so we might still keep the current method	16:03
jlaska	wwoods: kparal: re: depcheck unittests, would it help for you guys to walk through test scenarios together ... to help that move forward?	16:03
lmacken	yeah, good call. bodhi doesn't make that easy enough to get.	16:03
wwoods	right, and that's one of the things that repoinfo is really good for	16:04
kparal	jlaska: that would be great	16:04
wwoods	given a koji tag / repo name / bodhi release name / etc. you can figure out the other pieces, and other associated repos	16:04
wwoods	jlaska: yeah, that'd be good	16:04
jlaska	wwoods: kparal: need me to setup something, or can you guys work out a time this week?	16:05
jlaska	+1 we've been getting a lot of mileage out of repoinfo lately	16:05
wwoods	probably the thing to do is to start with a reeeally obvious test case, like: new package version drops a file that something else requires	16:05
kparal	we can talk in more detail after the meeting	16:06
wwoods	right	16:06
jlaska	okay ... will move that to #fedora-qa	16:06
jlaska	alrighty ... anything else on the AutoQA front?	16:06
jlaska	definitely coming down to our self-imposed goal of F14Alpha for deliverying a working depcheck test	16:07
jlaska	that's not for a lack of progress on a lot of foundation improvements to AutoQA	16:07
wwoods	I kinda got waylaid by the python-bugzilla bug on the F14Alpha blocker	16:08
wwoods	for a day or two	16:08
wwoods	similar distractions/interrupts will probably continue (and intensify) as the release cycle goes on	16:09
jlaska	yeah, you can blame me for the pyhton-bugzilla distraction	16:09
jlaska	well ... you guys are pushing things forward, so even if it's not available for F14Alpha, I don't imagine it will be too far behind	16:10
jlaska	if needed, we can work on an updated date	16:10
jlaska	alright, let's move to open discussion	16:10
j_dulaney	wwoods: I can try to take on some of that load if you would like	16:11
wwoods	sure, we'll see how it goes	16:11
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <your topic here>	16:11
jlaska	okay, anything else not already covered?	16:11
j_dulaney	Tom Edwards is supposed to be emailing us about the upcoming OS class	16:12
j_dulaney	That's about it	16:12
jlaska	ah nice ... thanks for the update	16:13
jlaska	if nothing else, let's call it a meeting	16:14
jlaska	thanks all, happy F14Alpha testing!	16:14
jlaska	#endmeeting	16:14

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