QA/Meetings/20120123

Attendees

• adamw (108)
• j_dulaney (37)
• kparal (28)
• maxamillion (6)
• zodbot (5)
• tflink (4)
• dgilmore (4)
• tflink_ (3)
• jskladan (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

• adamw and tflink failed on all four action items from last week, will do them this week

Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow

• Group doesn't have a strong feeling either way on this proposal

Upcoming QA events

• 'TC1' images built for first RATS run appear to be unbootable
• kparal will try to conduct second RATS run this week as hongqing/twu are on vacation

AutoQA update

• occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek
• kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch
• kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa

Action items

• N/A

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	16:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Jan 23 16:00:51 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	16:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	16:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	16:00
adamw	#topic roll call	16:01
* tflink is here		16:01
adamw	morning, tflink	16:01
* j_dulaney is distracted by hot girl with red purple hair		16:01
* pschindl is here		16:01
* kparal is unfortunately not distracted		16:01
* mkrizek is here		16:01
adamw	#chair tflink	16:02
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw tflink	16:02
adamw	#chair kparal	16:02
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw kparal tflink	16:02
* jskladan was distracted by ponies, but eluded the mighty creatures		16:02
j_dulaney	Hmm, are they the smart ones for leaving?	16:02
* adamw is distracted by the snow report		16:02
j_dulaney	No snow here!	16:03
adamw	25cm...why the hell am I down here	16:03
adamw	you people don't deserve me, damnit	16:03
adamw	:P	16:03
j_dulaney	And it is *supposed* to be in the 60s tomorrow	16:03
j_dulaney	adamw: Where is 'here'	16:03
adamw	the 60s are over, man, get with the times	16:03
adamw	j_dulaney: sea level.	16:03
tflink	wow, I didn't realize that we were in the presense of such greatness	16:03
adamw	tflink: you visionless fools!	16:03
j_dulaney	adamw: But, I like the music	16:04
* j_dulaney cranks the Jefferson Airplane just to spite adamw		16:04
* maxamillion is here		16:04
j_dulaney	Whatup, brah?	16:04
maxamillion	not much, been absent for far too long :/	16:04
adamw	heya max	16:04
adamw	yeah, you have. you're fired!	16:05
maxamillion	adamw: o noes!	16:05
* adamw starts the week off right		16:05
maxamillion	:P	16:05
adamw	i love the smell of downsizing in the morning...	16:05
j_dulaney	Well, if you want to do all the work yourself ...	16:06
maxamillion	ha!	16:06
* j_dulaney quits!		16:06
adamw	alrighty	16:06
j_dulaney	You can't fire me!	16:06
adamw	oh, just you watch	16:06
adamw	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	16:06
adamw	hah, well you can all fire me now	16:07
adamw	cos i had three action items last week and i'm 0 for 3	16:07
adamw	#info adamw to file trac ticket(s) for getting arm into the criteria / validation process somehow	16:07
adamw	#info nope, didn't get to it yet, sorry	16:07
adamw	#info adamw to co-ordinate with bcl on making sure all important old-UI bugs discovered in F16 validation get fixed in the old UI for F17	16:08
adamw	#info ditto, still working on that one	16:08
adamw	#info adamw to get a discussion going with pjones/kparal/hongqing/robatino to decide how to use pjones' check-iso-is-bootable too	16:08
adamw	#info and once more...not done yet	16:08
adamw	so that's a job well done	16:08
adamw	#info tflink to contact lmacken re co-ordination between bodhi 2.0 and autoqa	16:08
adamw	how'd you get on with that, tim?	16:08
tflink	fail on that one, I forgot	16:08
kparal	I haven't seen lmacken on IRC last week	16:09
kparal	I was wondering whether he has vacation or something	16:09
kparal	I guess noone knows?	16:09
kparal	ah, he's here right now	16:09
kparal	interesting, forget my comment	16:09
adamw	alrighty	16:09
adamw	#info tflink didn't get around to that yet	16:10
adamw	0 for 4! it's like we're mike piazza or something.	16:10
adamw	alrighty, since we did such a great job there, let's move right on to the next topic	16:10
adamw	#topic Requested change to BugStatusWorkFlow	16:10
adamw	so, this vaguely touches on us, though it'd really be more bugzappers stuff officially	16:11
adamw	did people see the thread on the devel list?	16:11
adamw	https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-January/161370.html	16:11
tflink	it rings a bell, but I'm not sure that I actually read it	16:11
* j_dulaney saw it		16:11
j_dulaney	At least, a little	16:11
* j_dulaney scans to see if he missed anything		16:11
adamw	#info sgallagh proposed that the CLOSED UPSTREAM resolution be dropped	16:12
adamw	just wondered if anyone had any thoughts on that	16:12
adamw	i mostly wrote the current page...my concern with the suggestion is it won't stop developers doing what they're doing now anyway, they'll just use a less accurate bugzilla status to describe it.	16:12
adamw	so i doubt it'll get sgallagh where he wants to be.	16:12
adamw	but just on its merits, it wouldn't be a horrible change.	16:13
j_dulaney	Don't axe the whole upstream thing	16:13
j_dulaney	Just don't make it closed	16:13
j_dulaney	If that makes sense	16:13
adamw	there is an Upstream keyword you can use too	16:14
adamw	dunno if that's been pointed out in the thread yet	16:14
adamw	still, devs who want to close a bug are going to close it, one way or the other, i think.	16:14
j_dulaney	True	16:15
adamw	anyone else have thoughts?	16:15
adamw	i guess not then	16:17
adamw	#agreed group doesn't overly mind the proposal either way	16:17
adamw	that was easy enough.	16:17
adamw	#topic Upcoming QA events	16:18
adamw	see http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-17/f-17-quality-tasks.html !	16:18
adamw	so things start heating up for f17 this week	16:18
adamw	the first RATS is supposed to be going on right now (though note the built images seem to be non-bootable)	16:18
adamw	we have the second RATS run scheduled for thursday, and the first blocker review scheduled for friday	16:19
adamw	so everyone get ready for that, and try and finish off your pre-alpha tasks soon if you have 'em	16:19
kparal	when you talk about RATS...	16:19
adamw	yeah?	16:19
kparal	do you mean rats_install test from autoqa?	16:19
adamw	more or less	16:20
kparal	old or new version?	16:20
kparal	because I am working with honqging on that one	16:20
adamw	whichever one works? :)	16:20
kparal	I reviewed that and found some issues, but hongqing unfortunately went on holiday	16:20
kparal	I believe the old one will not work	16:20
adamw	the intent is that we get an image and run it through the rats test to see if it's vaguely bootable/installable	16:20
adamw	ah. yeah. chinese new year. i really should've taken that one into account.	16:21
kparal	and the new one might	16:21
adamw	still, good news is we already know the image isn't bootable, that was established on list	16:21
adamw	so it's kind of academic	16:21
kparal	he'll be back Feb 1	16:21
adamw	yeah	16:21
kparal	ok then	16:21
adamw	would you mind trying to run new rats again with new image on thursday?	16:22
adamw	then the following week we have a full TC scheduled, so no more RATS-ing.	16:22
kparal	yeah, just ping me	16:22
adamw	okay	16:22
adamw	the rats thing is bad process as we never documented it, we made a start but then i proposed replacing all rats runs with TCs, maybe for f18 we'll just do that since dgilmore apparently finds it just as easy to spin up a full TC as a single image for RATS testing anyway.	16:23
* maxamillion reads backscroll because co-worker is apparently on a mission to thwart his participation in this meeting		16:23
j_dulaney	maxamillion: He's on a mission from God	16:23
adamw	heh	16:24
* j_dulaney wonders if the first TC will be death		16:24
adamw	#info first rats testing image is non-bootable, second will arrive thursday and kparal will attempt to rats test it	16:24
adamw	j_dulaney: always the question	16:24
adamw	and yup, blocker meeting this friday, bring your popcorn	16:25
adamw	okay, moving along...	16:26
adamw	forgot to put this on the schedule, but:	16:26
adamw	#topic autoqa update	16:26
adamw	what's the news, kparal?	16:26
kparal	not as much this week. most kudos go to mkrizek this time. he fixed occasional depcheck crash and also fixed watchers being stuck for eternity sometimes	16:27
kparal	I reviewed hongqing's rats_install patch twice and pointed out some problems	16:27
adamw	#info occasional depcheck crash and watchers getting stuck both fixed by mkrizek	16:28
kparal	I can fix some of them but there's at least one hard issue that will require quite some work	16:28
adamw	#info kparal and hongqing working on hongqing's rats patch	16:28
kparal	in the meantime I'm working on centralized configuration class for autoqa. expect more this week	16:29
kparal	and that's all I know	16:29
kparal	anyone else?	16:29
adamw	#info kparal working on centralized configuration class for autoqa	16:29
adamw	tflink_: any news?	16:29
tflink_	adamw: not on autoqa, no	16:30
dgilmore	adamw: i have to run exactly the same commands to make a full dvd iso set as i do to just make a boot.iso	16:30
adamw	alrighty	16:31
adamw	movin' right along, then	16:31
adamw	#topic open floor	16:31
adamw	anyone got any other issues of concern?	16:31
kparal	dgilmore: will there be regular boot.iso composes after f17 branches?	16:31
kparal	like daily	16:32
j_dulaney	adamw I do	16:32
dgilmore	kparal: yes	16:32
dgilmore	kparal: we make boot.iso for branched	16:32
dgilmore	kparal: but never for rawhide	16:32
kparal	great, that's important for rats_install test to have sense	16:32
adamw	yeah.	16:32
adamw	#info there will be regular boot.iso composes after branching	16:33
adamw	j_dulaney: what's your topic?	16:33
j_dulaney	adamw: It seems that I'm not getting emails from Trac	16:33
j_dulaney	At least, some of them	16:33
j_dulaney	I've had several people poke me, wondering why I was ignoring test day tickets	16:33
j_dulaney	And I did not know of their existance	16:33
adamw	ah	16:33
adamw	i don't think you'd get a personal mail automatically, it's not hooked up that way	16:34
adamw	you'd have to watch test list for new tickets and cc yourself on them]	16:34
* j_dulaney is subscribed to test list		16:34
adamw	i do see all the requests in the test list history, i think	16:34
tflink_	adamw: really, I get 2 emails for every trac ticket that is assigned to me or that I reported	16:34
j_dulaney	I'd been getting them automagically that way	16:34
adamw	tflink_: test day requests won't be assigned to j_dulaney automatically, though	16:34
adamw	so he'll just get the test list mail at first	16:35
tflink_	good point	16:35
kparal	correct	16:35
kparal	just create a mail filter j_dulaney	16:35
j_dulaney	Hmm	16:35
j_dulaney	kparal: Already have one	16:35
j_dulaney	I'll just poke it and see what pops out	16:35
adamw	is there a specific ticket you can give as an example that you didn't get a mail for?	16:36
adamw	then i can check the ml archive and see if one was sent	16:36
* j_dulaney looks		16:36
j_dulaney	276	16:38
kparal	j_dulaney: it's in the test list. Jan 20	16:38
adamw	yeah	16:38
j_dulaney	Must have been a fluke in the Interwebz is all I can think of	16:39
adamw	but that's the only one i see that you haven't responded to	16:39
adamw	so i don't think you've missed a lot	16:39
j_dulaney	Dunno	16:40
j_dulaney	The Interwebz have failed me	16:40
adamw	heh	16:40
adamw	WHAT HAVE YOU WROUGHT	16:40
adamw	you can always just check through the web interface for anything you missed	16:40
adamw	they're all under 'test day release' at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/report/9 i think	16:40
j_dulaney	Righteo	16:41
adamw	anything else for open floor, folks?	16:41
* j_dulaney is done		16:42
adamw	alrighty then	16:43
adamw	let's try and get the pre-alpha stuff rounded up soon (I know I still have stuff to do there...) and get prepped for f17 testing (yay)	16:43
adamw	thanks everyone	16:43
adamw	#endmeeting	16:43

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