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= Attendees =
= Attendees =
* adamw (86)
* kparal (43)
* tflink (33)
* nirik (29)
* jsmith (9)
* zodbot (7)
* pschindl (6)
* Martix (5)
* jskladan (3)
* spoore (1)
* mkrizek (1)
* paral (0)


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
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== F18 status, TC testing preparation ==
== F18 status, TC testing preparation ==
* TC is out: does it work?
* F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
* Any test case / criteria revision needed?
* pschindl updated installation results matrix template
* Installation validation template
* [[rhbug:847418|Bug #847418]] is also causing issues for F18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
* pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
* Live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS: still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator


== Multi-image validation ==
== Multi-image validation ==
* No significant feedback: proposal is in [https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html this thread]


== AutoQA update ==
== AutoQA update ==
* kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
* rats_sanity is without a maintainer
* autotest package review is almost complete
* Not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal


== Open floor ==
== Open floor ==
* The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
* The new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra


== IRC Log ==
== IRC Log ==
{|
|- id="t15:00:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
|| [[#t15:00:15|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Aug 13 15:00:15 2012 UTC.  The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:15|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:15"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:15|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:19|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:19"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:19|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic roll call and snacks
|| [[#t15:00:26|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | happy, tflink? :)
|| [[#t15:00:29|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
| colspan="2" | * pschindl is here
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:43"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan free food?
|| [[#t15:00:43|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:58"
| colspan="2" | * mkrizek here
|| [[#t15:00:58|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: no, no, no, the idea is you all bring ME snacks
|| [[#t15:01:17|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:17"
| colspan="2" | * Martix is ready for collisions
|| [[#t15:01:17|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:28"
| colspan="2" | * kparal heard something about food
|| [[#t15:01:28|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:43"
| colspan="2" | * spoore is here...lurking
|| [[#t15:01:43|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:45"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is around
|| [[#t15:01:45|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: that was for the docs meeting, unfortunately :'(
|| [[#t15:02:00|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | jskladan
| style="color: #854685" | adamw: aaah, that's the trick - I'll have something for you prepaired on DevConf ;)
|| [[#t15:02:02|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Martix
| style="color: #488888" | jskladan: something spicy?
|| [[#t15:02:31|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: wait a second, I think we've been tricked
|| [[#t15:02:32|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | =)
|| [[#t15:02:38|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:25"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: Docs team is sneaky like that :-p
|| [[#t15:03:25|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F18 status, TC testing preparation
|| [[#t15:04:01|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:11"
| colspan="2" | * nirik lurks
|| [[#t15:04:11|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | sooo...in case you didn't notice, we have this thing called fedora 18 to test...
|| [[#t15:04:12|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | Alpha TC1 landed over the weekend, we don't have the validation matrix in place yet
|| [[#t15:04:51|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | first order of business, does it work? at all?
|| [[#t15:04:55|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:56"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | we have
|| [[#t15:04:56|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:02"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | the matrix
|| [[#t15:05:02|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:14"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | pschindl's done that
|| [[#t15:05:14|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | he also claims it doesn't boot, and if you make it boot, it doesn't install
|| [[#t15:05:47|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ah, excellent, thanks for catching up on that
|| [[#t15:05:58|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | it sounds like the anaconda devs are aware of the issue and are working on it, though
|| [[#t15:06:15|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | unless there's another one that I'm not following
|| [[#t15:06:23|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, so alpha tc1 testing is complete, great job everyone =)
|| [[#t15:06:27|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
|| [[#t15:06:43|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template
|| [[#t15:07:10|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair tflink paral
|| [[#t15:07:39|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:40"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: adamw paral tflink
|| [[#t15:07:40|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | grr
|| [[#t15:07:42|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:43"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Martix
| style="color: #488888" | and if you upgrade to F18 and boot with 3.6 kernel, you hit boot loop bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847418
|| [[#t15:07:43|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #undo
|| [[#t15:07:48|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:48"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Removing item from minutes: &lt;MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x24152790&gt;
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|- id="t15:07:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
|| [[#t15:07:54|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | siiiigh. can someone please feed me coffee?
|| [[#t15:07:59|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair kparal
|| [[#t15:08:03|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: adamw kparal paral tflink
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|- id="t15:08:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | hi, robatino
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|- id="t15:08:16"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Martix: fixed in recent systemd... make sure you have new systemd and re-gen your initramfs.
|| [[#t15:08:16|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: you re-did the wrong #info
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|- id="t15:08:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #undo
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|- id="t15:08:24"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
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|- id="t15:08:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Martix
| style="color: #488888" | nirik: noted, thanks
|| [[#t15:08:27|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template
|| [[#t15:08:31|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:35"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | at least that worked for me. ;)
|| [[#t15:08:35|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info bug #847418 is also causing issues for f18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
|| [[#t15:09:23|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, the other thing i had on my list for this topic is revising the criteria and test cases
|| [[#t15:09:40|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone noticed any required changes already?
|| [[#t15:09:59|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we'll likely have to edit a large number of the install validation test cases to reflect newui; we may need to adjust the criteria for missing functionality still
|| [[#t15:10:23|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I thought we were still waiting somewhat to see what all lands in newui in time for F18
|| [[#t15:11:17|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:24"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | pschindl
| style="color: #97974f" | adamw: I think that we should wait for working tc and then change everything
|| [[#t15:11:24|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pschindl: yeah, having a tc that vaguely works will be a help =)
|| [[#t15:11:45|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:03"
| colspan="2" | * kparal also votes for changing "everything" :-)
|| [[#t15:12:03|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:19"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan would do it real time soon now
|| [[#t15:12:19|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:30"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | pschindl
| style="color: #97974f" | I know about few changes, that will be needed in criteria, but I'm not sure about how it will work in new ui
|| [[#t15:12:30|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | pschindl: are those the ones you already proposed to the list, or others?
|| [[#t15:12:47|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | pschindl
| style="color: #97974f" | adamw: those was only the most critical, which we should resolve firstly
|| [[#t15:13:39|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
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|- id="t15:14:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it'd be good to get the other proposals in soon
|| [[#t15:14:21|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:25"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | pschindl
| style="color: #97974f" | the other changes are mostly about rewording current criteria
|| [[#t15:14:25|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | as for the test cases, i think we can probably just all chip in and update them as we go along
|| [[#t15:14:41|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | or if someone wants to take a task for doing it systematically that's fine too
|| [[#t15:14:52|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
|| [[#t15:15:39|15:15]]
|- id="t15:17:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ok, so to summarize our plan of attack: 1) figure out what's wrong with TC1, 2) get a TC2 that works, 3) revise test cases/criteria for newUI changes
|| [[#t15:17:36|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | does that cover everything f18-y? anything I missed?
|| [[#t15:17:52|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:04"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | WORKSFORME
|| [[#t15:18:04|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:20"
| colspan="2" | * nirik is a bit worries about lives... but hopefully we will have something that works by the end of the week
|| [[#t15:18:20|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:24"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | pschindl
| style="color: #97974f" | yep. I talked to anaconda team and fix could be done till tomorrow
|| [[#t15:18:24|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: ah, right, lmc, that's the other thing
|| [[#t15:19:03|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | nirik: so you tried to build lives with lmc and had issues?
|| [[#t15:19:24|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:40"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I have not yet...
|| [[#t15:19:40|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | I thought it was the lack of koji support more than anything
|| [[#t15:19:41|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ah, okay. so we haven't even reached the 'trying' stage yet =)
|| [[#t15:20:00|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS
|| [[#t15:20:15|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | not in the same env as the lives have always been built in, no
|| [[#t15:20:16|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:24"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | there are no lives with tc1... I don't know if that is due to an issue dgilmore hit or if he didn't get to trying until the koji support is done.
|| [[#t15:20:24|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | nirik: the TC1 ticket says that it's due to no koji support but he's hoping to get that fixed this week
|| [[#t15:20:48|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I got the idea that we was still working on the koji support
|| [[#t15:20:54|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:00"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | but it wasn't super-clear
|| [[#t15:21:00|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | ok.
|| [[#t15:21:12|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator
|| [[#t15:21:56|15:21]]
|- id="t15:23:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty. well, that gives us lots of stuff to fix =)
|| [[#t15:23:09|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic multi-image validation
|| [[#t15:24:01|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so i just threw this on the agenda since it's something that's actively in draft at present
|| [[#t15:24:13|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | I replied to your emails. current proposal looks good
|| [[#t15:25:07|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | if anyone hasn't seen it, i put together a draft validation matrix for the multi-desktop and multi-boot images we've been building for the last couple of releases, and we've been trying to refine it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html
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|- id="t15:25:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: yup, thanks a lot for your feedback
|| [[#t15:25:15|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | if anyone hasn't seen it, please take a look and contribute any ideas you have...anyone have any thoughts on it that aren't in the thread?
|| [[#t15:25:33|15:25]]
|- id="t15:27:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okey dokey, then
|| [[#t15:27:42|15:27]]
|- id="t15:29:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | moving along
|| [[#t15:29:02|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: I read through it, but didn't have any spectacular ideas -- the proposal looked solid
|| [[#t15:29:05|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:29:05|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | just for old times' sake
|| [[#t15:29:08|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | jsmith: thanks
|| [[#t15:29:10|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | any big autoqa news lately, autoqa folks?
|| [[#t15:29:17|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:42"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | I enabled F18 testing in AutoQA
|| [[#t15:29:42|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | that mostly concerns repoclosure, fileconflict and rats_* tests
|| [[#t15:29:58|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | cool. do we know the status of rats wrt newui?
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|- id="t15:30:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | or is it hampered by the fact we don't appear yet to have any recent newui-based images that work? =)
|| [[#t15:30:21|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | no text mode == no rats
|| [[#t15:30:27|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:30"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | rats_install is currently broken, I'll work on it once we have usable TC
|| [[#t15:30:30|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh, yeah.
|| [[#t15:30:32|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:42"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | text mode should be included eventually, shouldn't it?
|| [[#t15:30:42|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, we don't have a date yet though.
|| [[#t15:30:48|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | maybe but there is no guarantee that it'll make F18
|| [[#t15:30:55|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:00"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | hrm, so that's a blocker
|| [[#t15:31:00|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | but I'll look at it anyway
|| [[#t15:31:10|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks.
|| [[#t15:31:13|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | rats_sanity should work ok, but doesn't have a maintainer
|| [[#t15:31:21|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
|| [[#t15:31:30|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info rats_sanity is without a maintainer
|| [[#t15:31:38|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:44"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | I hoped twu would take over from hongqing, but he doesn't seem to be receiving my emails
|| [[#t15:31:44|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | so still looking for volunteers
|| [[#t15:32:07|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:41"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | another news, autotest package review is very close to an end
|| [[#t15:32:41|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yaaay
|| [[#t15:32:45|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | so kudos to mkrizek
|| [[#t15:32:47|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info autotest package review is almost complete
|| [[#t15:32:51|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks mkrizek!
|| [[#t15:32:56|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | also kudos to garretraziel (jan sedlak), who wrote an autotest_results_cleanup.py script for us
|| [[#t15:33:23|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:43"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | that makes the results directory half in size and inodes
|| [[#t15:33:43|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | hey, that's neat.
|| [[#t15:33:55|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:20"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | and that's it for the last week I suppose
|| [[#t15:34:20|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | coolness.
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | on a more general topic: what's our progress like towards the 'enforce package tests' goal?
|| [[#t15:35:33|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | not much, unfortunately
|| [[#t15:36:16|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:38"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | I was about to reply 'none at all'
|| [[#t15:36:38|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:41"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | at least lately
|| [[#t15:36:41|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | i think tflink was putting a positive spin on 'none at all' =)
|| [[#t15:37:02|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | eh, it's more than 0 ... just not much more than 0 :)
|| [[#t15:37:19|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | well, that sucks. let's do not that in future. i have now discharged my managerial obligations!
|| [[#t15:37:27|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:28"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | we're terrible project planners
|| [[#t15:37:28|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal
|| [[#t15:38:06|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, anything else for autoqa, anyone?
|| [[#t15:38:18|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:39"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | nope
|| [[#t15:39:39|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty
|| [[#t15:40:08|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic open floor
|| [[#t15:40:11|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | Just a reminder: The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
|| [[#t15:40:43|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so, anyone have anything else to talk about? the weather, who should be the drummer for the who, cat grooming tips...
|| [[#t15:40:55|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, OR you could be boring and say something on-topic and to the point, yeesh.
|| [[#t15:41:06|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
|| [[#t15:41:17|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:52"
| colspan="2" | * kparal likes
|| [[#t15:41:52|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | at some point (hopefuly soon), the blocker tracking app will be moved to fedora infra and the source will be released
|| [[#t15:42:02|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:29"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | have we decided on the hostname already?
|| [[#t15:42:29|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info the new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra
|| [[#t15:42:37|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | there was some question on whether using qa.fedoraproject.org would mess with the internal subdomain
|| [[#t15:42:57|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | no decision was reached, no
|| [[#t15:43:36|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | too many nos in that sentance
|| [[#t15:43:52|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:53"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | I don't personally like using subdomain in this case
|| [[#t15:43:53|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: not sure I follow you there, maybe I'm not being clear
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | there is no external qa.fp.o subdomain - it only exists internally
|| [[#t15:44:31|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:33"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | it should/will be reachable via qa01.dev.fedoraproject.org... but if you want another cname going to it, we just need to decide what. ;)
|| [[#t15:44:33|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:59"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | and setting it to qa.fedoraproject.org might work, or might blow up the internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone.
|| [[#t15:44:59|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | apparently, nirik types faster than I do :)
|| [[#t15:45:16|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | so we don't know whether it would work?
|| [[#t15:45:27|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | what's an 'internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone' when it's at home?
|| [[#t15:45:31|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:37"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I don't. I guess we could try it, or pick another name.
|| [[#t15:45:37|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:48"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | let's push the red button
|| [[#t15:45:48|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | and try it
|| [[#t15:45:54|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:02"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: there is a 'qa.fedoraproject.org' zone... it's not public on the net tho, it's only available to servers in phx2.
|| [[#t15:46:02|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh, i see.
|| [[#t15:46:17|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: it's all of the autoqa machines, mostly
|| [[#t15:46:19|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:22"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | so autoqa01.qa.fedoraproject.org is an internal dns name...
|| [[#t15:46:22|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:31"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | but that won't resolve in the public internet.
|| [[#t15:46:31|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:34"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | the internal zone can be renamed, if needed?
|| [[#t15:46:34|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:43"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | sure, it would be a hassle, but sure.
|| [[#t15:46:43|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:51"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | hmm
|| [[#t15:46:51|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:03"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | or you could just do 'qa-blockers.fedoraproject.org' or something?
|| [[#t15:47:03|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:12"
| colspan="2" | * nirik doesn't know it needs too much bikesedding.
|| [[#t15:47:12|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:13"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | but public qa.fedoraproject.org is so pretty.....
|| [[#t15:47:13|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:27"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | if thats what you guys prefer, we can try it/do it. ;)
|| [[#t15:47:27|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:28"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | and I imagine more apps will run there in the future
|| [[#t15:47:28|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:34"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | not just blocker bugs app
|| [[#t15:47:34|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: the vm we'll use isn't meant to be a permanent solution
|| [[#t15:47:54|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | no, but the VM can be changed and the hostname can stay, right?
|| [[#t15:48:21|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:27"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yeah, it would/should move to a qa01.stg then a 'qa01' in production when it's ready.
|| [[#t15:48:27|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:37"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yes, changing it is easy, it's just dns. ;)
|| [[#t15:48:37|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:59"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | if it's not much of a problem, I'd like to try whether public qa.fp.o works
|| [[#t15:48:59|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:07"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | sure, we can.
|| [[#t15:49:07|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:11"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | if it doesn't, let's decide on another name
|| [[#t15:49:11|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: says the guy who's about to sign off and won't be around to fix any explosions :-P
|| [[#t15:49:22|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | :-D
|| [[#t15:49:29|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hum.
|| [[#t15:49:41|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | hiding in a bunker is the best way to survive, you know
|| [[#t15:50:07|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:16"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is also for trying it, anyways
|| [[#t15:50:16|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:18"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | we already seem to have a qa.fedoraproject.org record.
|| [[#t15:50:18|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:26"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | but I am unsure where it points.
|| [[#t15:50:26|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | it doesn't work out here.
|| [[#t15:50:44|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:46"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | doesn't resolve for me
|| [[#t15:50:46|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:59"
! style="background-color: #488888" | Martix
| style="color: #488888" | qa.fedoraproject.org has address 209.132.181.30
|| [[#t15:50:59|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | yeah, thats what I get... ^
|| [[#t15:51:08|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | same here
|| [[#t15:51:25|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:40"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I'll try and track it down.
|| [[#t15:51:40|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:53"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I don't know what would break by repointing it. ;)
|| [[#t15:51:53|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | any other suggestions for hostname if the qa.fp.o doesn't work out?
|| [[#t15:52:16|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:41"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | let's discuss it when it really doesn't
|| [[#t15:52:41|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | works for me
|| [[#t15:52:48|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:55"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | f18blockers.fedoraproject.org ? ;)
|| [[#t15:52:55|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:01"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | nirik
| style="color: #4d4d93" | thats fine too.
|| [[#t15:53:01|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:08"
| colspan="2" | * nirik will investigate, get back to you all
|| [[#t15:53:08|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | kparal
| style="color: #4b904b" | thanks
|| [[#t15:53:15|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:15"
| colspan="2" | * tflink needs to learn him some pgsql admin before the app comes up, anyways
|| [[#t15:53:15|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | OK
|| [[#t15:53:19|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so, anything else?
|| [[#t15:53:31|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:04"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: I'm happy to help in that regard, if you have specific questions or need some help
|| [[#t15:54:04|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | jsmith: I just have no idea how to set up pgsql, to be honest. I'm trying to work through the docs ATM on a local VM before I set up the dev vm
|| [[#t15:54:47|15:54]]
|- id="t15:56:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty, sounds like we're about done
|| [[#t15:56:06|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:16"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: OK, just general install pgsql, set up access, create users and database -- that sort of thing?
|| [[#t15:56:16|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for coming out everyone...looks like we have lots of stuff to do =)
|| [[#t15:56:17|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jsmith
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: I'll help you after the meeting
|| [[#t15:56:23|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:31"
| colspan="2" | * adamw sets fuse for X minutes
|| [[#t15:56:31|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | jsmith: yeah, this sounds like something non-meeting related
|| [[#t15:56:39|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:19"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith cuts the fuse in half
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| style="color: #407a40" | meeting explodes in jsmith's face
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
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Attendees

  • adamw (86)
  • kparal (43)
  • tflink (33)
  • nirik (29)
  • jsmith (9)
  • zodbot (7)
  • pschindl (6)
  • Martix (5)
  • jskladan (3)
  • spoore (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • paral (0)

Agenda

  • F18 status, TC testing preparation
  • Multi-image validation
  • AutoQA update
  • Open floor

F18 status, TC testing preparation

  • F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully
  • pschindl updated installation results matrix template
  • Bug #847418 is also causing issues for F18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs
  • pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come
  • Live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS: still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator

Multi-image validation

AutoQA update

  • kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa
  • rats_sanity is without a maintainer
  • autotest package review is almost complete
  • Not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal

Open floor

  • The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week
  • The new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Aug 13 15:00:15 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
adamw #topic roll call and snacks 15:00
adamw happy, tflink? :) 15:00
* pschindl is here 15:00
* jskladan free food? 15:00
* mkrizek here 15:00
adamw jskladan: no, no, no, the idea is you all bring ME snacks 15:01
* Martix is ready for collisions 15:01
* kparal heard something about food 15:01
* spoore is here...lurking 15:01
* tflink is around 15:01
tflink kparal: that was for the docs meeting, unfortunately :'( 15:02
jskladan adamw: aaah, that's the trick - I'll have something for you prepaired on DevConf ;) 15:02
Martix jskladan: something spicy? 15:02
tflink adamw: wait a second, I think we've been tricked 15:02
adamw =) 15:02
jsmith tflink: Docs team is sneaky like that :-p 15:03
adamw #topic F18 status, TC testing preparation 15:04
* nirik lurks 15:04
adamw sooo...in case you didn't notice, we have this thing called fedora 18 to test... 15:04
adamw Alpha TC1 landed over the weekend, we don't have the validation matrix in place yet 15:04
adamw first order of business, does it work? at all? 15:04
kparal we have 15:04
kparal the matrix 15:05
kparal pschindl's done that 15:05
kparal he also claims it doesn't boot, and if you make it boot, it doesn't install 15:05
adamw ah, excellent, thanks for catching up on that 15:05
tflink it sounds like the anaconda devs are aware of the issue and are working on it, though 15:06
tflink unless there's another one that I'm not following 15:06
adamw ok, so alpha tc1 testing is complete, great job everyone =) 15:06
adamw #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully 15:06
adamw #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template 15:07
adamw #chair tflink paral 15:07
zodbot Current chairs: adamw paral tflink 15:07
adamw grr 15:07
Martix and if you upgrade to F18 and boot with 3.6 kernel, you hit boot loop bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=847418 15:07
adamw #undo 15:07
zodbot Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x24152790> 15:07
adamw #info F18 Alpha TC1 released over the weekend, initial testing indicates it fails to boot or install successfully 15:07
adamw siiiigh. can someone please feed me coffee? 15:07
adamw #chair kparal 15:08
zodbot Current chairs: adamw kparal paral tflink 15:08
adamw hi, robatino 15:08
nirik Martix: fixed in recent systemd... make sure you have new systemd and re-gen your initramfs. 15:08
tflink adamw: you re-did the wrong #info 15:08
adamw #undo 15:08
zodbot Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x1cc9a710> 15:08
Martix nirik: noted, thanks 15:08
adamw #info pschindl updated installation results matrix template 15:08
nirik at least that worked for me. ;) 15:08
adamw #info bug #847418 is also causing issues for f18 users, recommended action: update systemd and re-generate initramfs 15:09
adamw ok, the other thing i had on my list for this topic is revising the criteria and test cases 15:09
adamw anyone noticed any required changes already? 15:09
adamw we'll likely have to edit a large number of the install validation test cases to reflect newui; we may need to adjust the criteria for missing functionality still 15:10
tflink I thought we were still waiting somewhat to see what all lands in newui in time for F18 15:11
pschindl adamw: I think that we should wait for working tc and then change everything 15:11
adamw pschindl: yeah, having a tc that vaguely works will be a help =) 15:11
* kparal also votes for changing "everything" :-) 15:12
* jskladan would do it real time soon now 15:12
pschindl I know about few changes, that will be needed in criteria, but I'm not sure about how it will work in new ui 15:12
adamw pschindl: are those the ones you already proposed to the list, or others? 15:12
pschindl adamw: those was only the most critical, which we should resolve firstly 15:13
adamw okay 15:13
adamw it'd be good to get the other proposals in soon 15:14
pschindl the other changes are mostly about rewording current criteria 15:14
adamw as for the test cases, i think we can probably just all chip in and update them as we go along 15:14
adamw or if someone wants to take a task for doing it systematically that's fine too 15:14
adamw #info pschindl has some further criteria change proposals to come 15:15
adamw ok, so to summarize our plan of attack: 1) figure out what's wrong with TC1, 2) get a TC2 that works, 3) revise test cases/criteria for newUI changes 15:17
adamw does that cover everything f18-y? anything I missed? 15:17
jsmith WORKSFORME 15:18
* nirik is a bit worries about lives... but hopefully we will have something that works by the end of the week 15:18
pschindl yep. I talked to anaconda team and fix could be done till tomorrow 15:18
adamw nirik: ah, right, lmc, that's the other thing 15:19
adamw nirik: so you tried to build lives with lmc and had issues? 15:19
nirik I have not yet... 15:19
tflink I thought it was the lack of koji support more than anything 15:19
adamw ah, okay. so we haven't even reached the 'trying' stage yet =) 15:20
adamw #info live image generation is still marked HERE BE DRAGONS 15:20
tflink not in the same env as the lives have always been built in, no 15:20
nirik there are no lives with tc1... I don't know if that is due to an issue dgilmore hit or if he didn't get to trying until the koji support is done. 15:20
tflink nirik: the TC1 ticket says that it's due to no koji support but he's hoping to get that fixed this week 15:20
jsmith I got the idea that we was still working on the koji support 15:20
jsmith but it wasn't super-clear 15:21
nirik ok. 15:21
adamw #info still waiting on koji support for livemedia-creator 15:21
adamw alrighty. well, that gives us lots of stuff to fix =) 15:23
adamw #topic multi-image validation 15:24
adamw so i just threw this on the agenda since it's something that's actively in draft at present 15:24
kparal I replied to your emails. current proposal looks good 15:25
adamw if anyone hasn't seen it, i put together a draft validation matrix for the multi-desktop and multi-boot images we've been building for the last couple of releases, and we've been trying to refine it: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-August/109284.html 15:25
adamw kparal: yup, thanks a lot for your feedback 15:25
adamw if anyone hasn't seen it, please take a look and contribute any ideas you have...anyone have any thoughts on it that aren't in the thread? 15:25
adamw okey dokey, then 15:27
adamw moving along 15:29
jsmith adamw: I read through it, but didn't have any spectacular ideas -- the proposal looked solid 15:29
adamw #topic AutoQA update 15:29
adamw just for old times' sake 15:29
adamw jsmith: thanks 15:29
adamw any big autoqa news lately, autoqa folks? 15:29
kparal I enabled F18 testing in AutoQA 15:29
kparal that mostly concerns repoclosure, fileconflict and rats_* tests 15:29
adamw cool. do we know the status of rats wrt newui? 15:30
adamw or is it hampered by the fact we don't appear yet to have any recent newui-based images that work? =) 15:30
tflink no text mode == no rats 15:30
kparal rats_install is currently broken, I'll work on it once we have usable TC 15:30
adamw oh, yeah. 15:30
kparal text mode should be included eventually, shouldn't it? 15:30
adamw yeah, we don't have a date yet though. 15:30
tflink maybe but there is no guarantee that it'll make F18 15:30
kparal hrm, so that's a blocker 15:31
kparal but I'll look at it anyway 15:31
adamw thanks. 15:31
kparal rats_sanity should work ok, but doesn't have a maintainer 15:31
adamw #info kparal enabled f18 testing in autoqa 15:31
adamw #info rats_sanity is without a maintainer 15:31
kparal I hoped twu would take over from hongqing, but he doesn't seem to be receiving my emails 15:31
kparal so still looking for volunteers 15:32
kparal another news, autotest package review is very close to an end 15:32
adamw yaaay 15:32
kparal so kudos to mkrizek 15:32
adamw #info autotest package review is almost complete 15:32
adamw thanks mkrizek! 15:32
kparal also kudos to garretraziel (jan sedlak), who wrote an autotest_results_cleanup.py script for us 15:33
kparal that makes the results directory half in size and inodes 15:33
adamw hey, that's neat. 15:33
kparal and that's it for the last week I suppose 15:34
adamw coolness. 15:35
adamw on a more general topic: what's our progress like towards the 'enforce package tests' goal? 15:35
tflink not much, unfortunately 15:36
kparal I was about to reply 'none at all' 15:36
kparal at least lately 15:36
adamw i think tflink was putting a positive spin on 'none at all' =) 15:37
tflink eh, it's more than 0 ... just not much more than 0 :) 15:37
adamw well, that sucks. let's do not that in future. i have now discharged my managerial obligations! 15:37
kparal we're terrible project planners 15:37
adamw #info not much progress recently towards the 'enforce package tests in bodhi' goal 15:38
adamw okay, anything else for autoqa, anyone? 15:38
kparal nope 15:39
adamw alrighty 15:40
adamw #topic open floor 15:40
tflink Just a reminder: The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week 15:40
adamw so, anyone have anything else to talk about? the weather, who should be the drummer for the who, cat grooming tips... 15:40
adamw okay, OR you could be boring and say something on-topic and to the point, yeesh. 15:41
adamw #info The blocker review meetings will be on Wednesday at 16:00 UTC starting this week 15:41
* kparal likes 15:41
tflink at some point (hopefuly soon), the blocker tracking app will be moved to fedora infra and the source will be released 15:42
kparal have we decided on the hostname already? 15:42
adamw #info the new blocker tracking page/webapp will soon be moved to fedora infra 15:42
tflink there was some question on whether using qa.fedoraproject.org would mess with the internal subdomain 15:42
tflink no decision was reached, no 15:43
tflink too many nos in that sentance 15:43
kparal I don't personally like using subdomain in this case 15:43
tflink kparal: not sure I follow you there, maybe I'm not being clear 15:44
tflink there is no external qa.fp.o subdomain - it only exists internally 15:44
nirik it should/will be reachable via qa01.dev.fedoraproject.org... but if you want another cname going to it, we just need to decide what. ;) 15:44
nirik and setting it to qa.fedoraproject.org might work, or might blow up the internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone. 15:44
tflink apparently, nirik types faster than I do :) 15:45
kparal so we don't know whether it would work? 15:45
adamw what's an 'internal only qa.fedoraproject.org zone' when it's at home? 15:45
nirik I don't. I guess we could try it, or pick another name. 15:45
kparal let's push the red button 15:45
kparal and try it 15:45
nirik adamw: there is a 'qa.fedoraproject.org' zone... it's not public on the net tho, it's only available to servers in phx2. 15:46
adamw oh, i see. 15:46
tflink adamw: it's all of the autoqa machines, mostly 15:46
nirik so autoqa01.qa.fedoraproject.org is an internal dns name... 15:46
nirik but that won't resolve in the public internet. 15:46
kparal the internal zone can be renamed, if needed? 15:46
nirik sure, it would be a hassle, but sure. 15:46
kparal hmm 15:46
nirik or you could just do 'qa-blockers.fedoraproject.org' or something? 15:47
* nirik doesn't know it needs too much bikesedding. 15:47
kparal but public qa.fedoraproject.org is so pretty..... 15:47
nirik if thats what you guys prefer, we can try it/do it. ;) 15:47
kparal and I imagine more apps will run there in the future 15:47
kparal not just blocker bugs app 15:47
tflink kparal: the vm we'll use isn't meant to be a permanent solution 15:47
kparal no, but the VM can be changed and the hostname can stay, right? 15:48
nirik yeah, it would/should move to a qa01.stg then a 'qa01' in production when it's ready. 15:48
nirik yes, changing it is easy, it's just dns. ;) 15:48
kparal if it's not much of a problem, I'd like to try whether public qa.fp.o works 15:48
nirik sure, we can. 15:49
kparal if it doesn't, let's decide on another name 15:49
tflink kparal: says the guy who's about to sign off and won't be around to fix any explosions :-P 15:49
tflink :-D 15:49
nirik hum. 15:49
kparal hiding in a bunker is the best way to survive, you know 15:50
* tflink is also for trying it, anyways 15:50
nirik we already seem to have a qa.fedoraproject.org record. 15:50
nirik but I am unsure where it points. 15:50
adamw it doesn't work out here. 15:50
kparal doesn't resolve for me 15:50
Martix qa.fedoraproject.org has address 209.132.181.30 15:50
nirik yeah, thats what I get... ^ 15:51
tflink same here 15:51
nirik I'll try and track it down. 15:51
nirik I don't know what would break by repointing it. ;) 15:51
tflink any other suggestions for hostname if the qa.fp.o doesn't work out? 15:52
kparal let's discuss it when it really doesn't 15:52
tflink works for me 15:52
nirik f18blockers.fedoraproject.org ? ;) 15:52
nirik thats fine too. 15:53
* nirik will investigate, get back to you all 15:53
kparal thanks 15:53
* tflink needs to learn him some pgsql admin before the app comes up, anyways 15:53
adamw OK 15:53
adamw so, anything else? 15:53
jsmith tflink: I'm happy to help in that regard, if you have specific questions or need some help 15:54
tflink jsmith: I just have no idea how to set up pgsql, to be honest. I'm trying to work through the docs ATM on a local VM before I set up the dev vm 15:54
adamw alrighty, sounds like we're about done 15:56
jsmith tflink: OK, just general install pgsql, set up access, create users and database -- that sort of thing? 15:56
adamw thanks for coming out everyone...looks like we have lots of stuff to do =) 15:56
jsmith tflink: I'll help you after the meeting 15:56
* adamw sets fuse for X minutes 15:56
tflink jsmith: yeah, this sounds like something non-meeting related 15:56
* jsmith cuts the fuse in half 15:57
adamw meeting explodes in jsmith's face 15:58
adamw #endmeeting 15:58

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