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= Attendees =
= Attendees =
* adamw (65)
* kparal (19)
* mjg59 (12)
* jreznik (11)
* tflink (9)
* brunowolff (5)
* zodbot (5)
* j_dulaney (3)
* satellit (3)
* jskladan (1)
* nirik (1)


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
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== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
* ''adamw and anyone else to work on updating [[Common_F19_bugs]]''
* ''adamw and anyone else to work on updating [[Common_F19_bugs]]'' - this was done, page is up to date for Beta
* ''adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes''
* ''adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes'' - this was done, issue was called out in the release announcement, slashdot has not crucified us
* ''adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria''
* ''adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria'' - this is currently in progress, aimed to be complete by Wednesday's blocker review meeting
* ''tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI''
* ''tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI'' - not done yet, but planned soon
* ''tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week''
* ''tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week'' - this was done, the meeting went ahead
* ''adamw to look at extracting some test cases from [[Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup]] for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices''
* ''adamw to look at extracting some test cases from [[Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup]] for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices'' - not done yet, but more of a long-term goal for F20
* ''martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time''
* ''martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time'' - it was ready and went ahead fine
* ''satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS''
* ''satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS'' - an initial plan is [http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases available]


== Fedora 19 Final planning ==
== Fedora 19 Final planning ==
* Any major work still needed ahead of TC1 on 2013-06-04?
* TC1 was due 2013-06-04, adamw would ensure it got composed
* Any major issues needing attention at this early point?
* mjg59 informed us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues; it should be included in TC1


== Test Days ==
== Test Days ==
* [[Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization]] review
* [[Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization]] and [[Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice]] both went off quite successfully, we saw testing and developer feedback in both
* [[Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice]] review
* [[Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager]] and [[Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication]] both looked ready to go, kparal was working on a live image for NM test day
* [[Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager]] planning
* [[Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication]] planning


== Open floor ==
== Open floor ==


== Action items ==
== Action items ==
* adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team


== IRC Log ==
== IRC Log ==
{|
|- id="t15:00:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting
|| [[#t15:00:50|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Jun  3 15:00:50 2013 UTC.  The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:50|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:50"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:50|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:53|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:53"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:53|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll call
|| [[#t15:00:56|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | morning folks, who's ready for fun?
|| [[#t15:01:07|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:21"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik is ready for another meeting in a row
|| [[#t15:01:21|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:27"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan tips his hat
|| [[#t15:01:27|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:38"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney lurks
|| [[#t15:01:38|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:39"
| colspan="2" | * satellit listening in Bellingham motel
|| [[#t15:01:39|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | jreznik: /me is here
|| [[#t15:01:49|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | huh, that didn't work
|| [[#t15:02:15|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:30"
| colspan="2" | * kparal here
|| [[#t15:02:30|15:02]]
|- id="t15:04:11"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here
|| [[#t15:04:11|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:11"
| colspan="2" | * nirik is lurking as well
|| [[#t15:04:11|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:20"
| colspan="2" | * adamw really needs to get that anti-lurking kit installed
|| [[#t15:05:20|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:45"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik is working on an announcement for the devel-announce list, needs anti-lurking kit as he's more lurking now :)
|| [[#t15:05:45|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:06:17|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs" - I got that one done, it's pretty much up to date
|| [[#t15:07:00|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes" - yup, got a mention of it into the release announcement, and no crazy slashdot conspiracy theories yet
|| [[#t15:07:24|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria" - I started working on that Friday, I'll aim to complete it today or tomorrow
|| [[#t15:07:51|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - tflink?
|| [[#t15:08:02|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | not done yet, on my todo list for today
|| [[#t15:08:13|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | .fire tflink first of the week
|| [[#t15:09:31|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:34"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | adamw fires tflink first of the week
|| [[#t15:09:34|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | aw, no bot in here? boo.
|| [[#t15:09:34|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yay!
|| [[#t15:09:37|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - not done yet but should be soon
|| [[#t15:09:58|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week" - that was done, we had two review meetings last week
|| [[#t15:10:12|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices" - not done yet but it's kind of a long-term plan, it's on my todo list
|| [[#t15:10:28|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time" - that seemed to be sorted out fine
|| [[#t15:10:57|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info "satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS" - satellit drafted up some ideas at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases
|| [[#t15:11:58|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | satellit
| style="color: #854685" | SoaS test cases? list of ideas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases
|| [[#t15:12:01|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | satellit
| style="color: #854685" | : )
|| [[#t15:12:07|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:12:13|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | sorry i didn't get a sec to review them yet, i'll do it today
|| [[#t15:12:20|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | any other follow-up items I missed?
|| [[#t15:12:27|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:49"
! style="background-color: #488888" | brunowolff
| style="color: #488888" | I retested llvmpipe on a particular non-SSE2 CPU and it's still broken.
|| [[#t15:13:49|15:13]]
|- id="t15:16:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | ah yeah I saw your comment
|| [[#t15:16:05|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | that's a bit of a pain. and you might be right about advising people with old machines to grab something other than GNOME
|| [[#t15:16:25|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we could probably mark the bug as requiring a release note for that
|| [[#t15:16:34|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #action adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team
|| [[#t15:17:03|15:17]]
|- id="t15:19:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Fedora 19 Final planning
|| [[#t15:19:56|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info TC1 is due tomorrow, 2013-06-04, I will request the compose then
|| [[#t15:20:08|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | do we have any major worries at this point, or things we need to get in place soon?
|| [[#t15:20:23|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:38"
| colspan="2" | * adamw can't think of anything urgent beyond the revised criteria
|| [[#t15:20:38|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | the sooner we have TC1 the better. let's request today :)
|| [[#t15:21:05|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | have we done much upgrade testing? I've seen several comments and bugs, but wasn't sure how much poking has been done so far
|| [[#t15:21:30|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:37"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik would not be against requesting it sooner, if there's nothing we really want in tc1
|| [[#t15:21:37|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:47"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I did some upgrade testing on UEFI
|| [[#t15:21:47|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | poor kparal touching UEFI
|| [[#t15:22:10|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:20"
| colspan="2" | * kparal now has a master's degree in bios re-flashing
|| [[#t15:23:20|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: quite a few people have run fedup I think, and we did fill the matrix for beta
|| [[#t15:24:08|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: :)
|| [[#t15:24:10|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | adamw: yeah, I was just thinking about the less-straightforward configs that ended up causing trouble after F18 release
|| [[#t15:24:38|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:55"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: We should finally have a patch that resolves most of the UEFI variable issues
|| [[#t15:25:55|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | right, that's another area we could do with more test cases
|| [[#t15:26:03|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | mjg59: yay! so there _were_ still issues on the kenrel side?
|| [[#t15:26:11|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | what's the timeframe on landing that?
|| [[#t15:26:18|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:29"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: Well, no. Issues on the firmware side.
|| [[#t15:26:29|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:44"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | mjg59: what are the changes?
|| [[#t15:26:44|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:53"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | But I have finally come up with an elegant mechanism for making the damn things do what we want
|| [[#t15:26:53|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:55"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | mjg59: and how much you can do with fw side?
|| [[#t15:26:55|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:08"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | mjg59: nice to hear!
|| [[#t15:27:08|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:17"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | kparal: Change the threshold from 50% to 5KB, do something magic which will (in theory) force the firmware to trigger garbage collection
|| [[#t15:27:17|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:37"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | mjg59: sounds good. can we expect a blogpost about the details?
|| [[#t15:27:37|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:49"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | kparal: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25091.html
|| [[#t15:27:49|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:54"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | mjg59: what do you achieve by changing 50% to 5 KB?
|| [[#t15:27:54|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:02"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | mjg59: thanks!
|| [[#t15:28:02|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:08"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | jreznik: It's less than the maximum variable size, so we can create a new variable that's larger than the remaining space
|| [[#t15:29:08|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Or, rather, attempt to
|| [[#t15:29:13|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | mjg59: does it mean that kernel panics will never again be stored in uefi nvram, too risky?
|| [[#t15:29:42|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:43"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik is reading the blog post
|| [[#t15:29:43|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:56"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | kparal: No, we should be safe in doing that
|| [[#t15:29:56|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | mjg59: any news on the timeframe?
|| [[#t15:29:59|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: It's on LKML, jwb has a scratch build
|| [[#t15:30:13|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:46"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | kparal: That's currently disabled because it turns out the code is shit (which may be, uh, my fault)
|| [[#t15:30:46|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | mjg59: well, I mean, getting it in an official f19 kernel build
|| [[#t15:31:08|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:55"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: Once we've got confirmation from some testing of the scratch build
|| [[#t15:31:55|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: hint hint :)
|| [[#t15:32:15|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:16"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | kparal: hint, hint ^^^
|| [[#t15:32:16|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:24"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | thanks guys
|| [[#t15:32:24|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:27"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jreznik
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: hey, you were faster!
|| [[#t15:32:27|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | .fire jreznik there can be only one
|| [[#t15:32:30|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:30"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | adamw fires jreznik there can be only one
|| [[#t15:32:30|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:50"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | mjg59: can you give us a link to that scratch build?
|| [[#t15:32:50|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:00"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | mjg59
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335
|| [[#t15:33:00|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info mjg59 informs us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues. scratch build for testing linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335
|| [[#t15:33:06|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks matt!
|| [[#t15:33:30|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:31"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I'll try to understand the blogpost and then test the build
|| [[#t15:33:31|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:47"
| colspan="2" | * jreznik thinks he understands what mjg59 wants to achieve, hopes firmwares will be cooperative :)
|| [[#t15:34:47|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Test Days
|| [[#t15:34:54|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off pretty successfully last week, i saw lots of active testing on both
|| [[#t15:35:47|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | although - kparal, next time check in with the virt folks on the details of the live image; we kinda needed it to be installable for virt testing
|| [[#t15:36:11|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:29"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | they didn't say
|| [[#t15:36:29|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:34"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | why we need anaconda?
|| [[#t15:36:34|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | they weren't aware we dropped anaconda from test day lives
|| [[#t15:36:42|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | well, because you can't really do virt hosting from a live session
|| [[#t15:36:48|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | unless you have like 32GB of RAM
|| [[#t15:36:54|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | we just told people to use the beta lives and that worked out fine, so it wasn't a big deal
|| [[#t15:37:09|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:17"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I see
|| [[#t15:37:17|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:43"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | in that case maybe a tailored Live wasn't needed at all
|| [[#t15:37:43|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, maybe
|| [[#t15:37:51|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | like i said, it didn't turn out to be a big problem, just a note
|| [[#t15:37:59|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:21"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | I'm waiting for dcbw to give me a list of packages for tomorrow's test day so that I can build a Live image for them
|| [[#t15:38:21|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:34"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | FreeIPA test day should be good, they're creating the image themselves
|| [[#t15:38:34|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | cool;
|| [[#t15:38:46|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager page looks ready, kparal is working on the live image
|| [[#t15:39:13|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication looks ready to go
|| [[#t15:39:29|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | any other test day notes from anyone?
|| [[#t15:39:46|15:39]]
|- id="t15:42:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic  Open floor
|| [[#t15:42:11|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | welp, here we are folks, any other business/
|| [[#t15:42:19|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | nothing I can think of, no
|| [[#t15:42:52|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: we have rather a lot of proposed blockers; should we do blocker review next?
|| [[#t15:43:27|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | probably, yes
|| [[#t15:44:02|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | oh, I hoped you wouldn't ask :)
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tflink
| style="color: #818144" | that looks like at least 3 hours of fun
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:49"
| colspan="2" | * tflink gets started on prep
|| [[#t15:44:49|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: c'mon, you know I never miss blocker review fun
|| [[#t15:45:14|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | kparal
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | well, I don't miss it either
|| [[#t15:46:42|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:43"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney is off
|| [[#t15:46:43|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:51"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #97974f" | Apologies for not participating
|| [[#t15:46:51|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | so that's blocker review fun in bat-channel #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the clock, folks
|| [[#t15:47:25|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | strap yourselves in
|| [[#t15:47:28|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:09"
! style="background-color: #488888" | brunowolff
| style="color: #488888" | Note that if you are using rawhide kernels on f19, the grub(2) conf files don't (and won't) get updated.
|| [[#t15:48:09|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | oh, yeah, that bug's worth a call-out
|| [[#t15:48:42|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | do you have the number handy?
|| [[#t15:48:47|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | brunowolff
| style="color: #488888" | I can find it. I think it is closed though.
|| [[#t15:49:29|15:49]]
|- id="t15:54:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | welp, sounds like that's everything
|| [[#t15:54:15|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | blocker review in 5 minutes folks, thanks for coming!
|| [[#t15:54:24|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | brunowolff
| style="color: #488888" | While looking, it looks like they might have pushed the fixed systemd to f19 today. Yeah!
|| [[#t15:54:24|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | yay!
|| [[#t15:54:28|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | adamw
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:54:31|15:54]]
|}
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Attendees

  • adamw (65)
  • kparal (19)
  • mjg59 (12)
  • jreznik (11)
  • tflink (9)
  • brunowolff (5)
  • zodbot (5)
  • j_dulaney (3)
  • satellit (3)
  • jskladan (1)
  • nirik (1)

Agenda

  • Previous meeting follow-up
  • Fedora 19 Final planning
  • Test Days
  • Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

  • adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs - this was done, page is up to date for Beta
  • adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes - this was done, issue was called out in the release announcement, slashdot has not crucified us
  • adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria - this is currently in progress, aimed to be complete by Wednesday's blocker review meeting
  • tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI - not done yet, but planned soon
  • tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week - this was done, the meeting went ahead
  • adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices - not done yet, but more of a long-term goal for F20
  • martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time - it was ready and went ahead fine
  • satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS - an initial plan is available

Fedora 19 Final planning

  • TC1 was due 2013-06-04, adamw would ensure it got composed
  • mjg59 informed us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues; it should be included in TC1

Test Days

Open floor

Action items

  • adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team

IRC Log

adamw #startmeeting Fedora QA meeting 15:00
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adamw #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
adamw #topic Roll call 15:00
adamw morning folks, who's ready for fun? 15:01
* jreznik is ready for another meeting in a row 15:01
* jskladan tips his hat 15:01
* j_dulaney lurks 15:01
* satellit listening in Bellingham motel 15:01
tflink jreznik: /me is here 15:01
tflink huh, that didn't work 15:02
* kparal here 15:02
* brunowolff is here 15:04
* nirik is lurking as well 15:04
* adamw really needs to get that anti-lurking kit installed 15:05
* jreznik is working on an announcement for the devel-announce list, needs anti-lurking kit as he's more lurking now :) 15:05
adamw #topic previous meeting follow-up 15:06
adamw #info "adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs" - I got that one done, it's pretty much up to date 15:07
adamw #info "adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes" - yup, got a mention of it into the release announcement, and no crazy slashdot conspiracy theories yet 15:07
adamw #info "adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria" - I started working on that Friday, I'll aim to complete it today or tomorrow 15:07
adamw "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - tflink? 15:08
tflink not done yet, on my todo list for today 15:08
adamw .fire tflink first of the week 15:09
zodbot adamw fires tflink first of the week 15:09
adamw aw, no bot in here? boo. 15:09
adamw yay! 15:09
adamw #info "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - not done yet but should be soon 15:09
adamw #info "tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week" - that was done, we had two review meetings last week 15:10
adamw #info "adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices" - not done yet but it's kind of a long-term plan, it's on my todo list 15:10
adamw #info "martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time" - that seemed to be sorted out fine 15:10
adamw #info "satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS" - satellit drafted up some ideas at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases 15:11
satellit SoaS test cases? list of ideas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases 15:12
satellit : ) 15:12
adamw :) 15:12
adamw sorry i didn't get a sec to review them yet, i'll do it today 15:12
adamw any other follow-up items I missed? 15:12
brunowolff I retested llvmpipe on a particular non-SSE2 CPU and it's still broken. 15:13
adamw ah yeah I saw your comment 15:16
adamw that's a bit of a pain. and you might be right about advising people with old machines to grab something other than GNOME 15:16
adamw we could probably mark the bug as requiring a release note for that 15:16
adamw #action adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team 15:17
adamw #topic Fedora 19 Final planning 15:19
adamw #info TC1 is due tomorrow, 2013-06-04, I will request the compose then 15:20
adamw do we have any major worries at this point, or things we need to get in place soon? 15:20
* adamw can't think of anything urgent beyond the revised criteria 15:20
kparal the sooner we have TC1 the better. let's request today :) 15:21
tflink have we done much upgrade testing? I've seen several comments and bugs, but wasn't sure how much poking has been done so far 15:21
* jreznik would not be against requesting it sooner, if there's nothing we really want in tc1 15:21
kparal I did some upgrade testing on UEFI 15:21
jreznik poor kparal touching UEFI 15:22
* kparal now has a master's degree in bios re-flashing 15:23
adamw tflink: quite a few people have run fedup I think, and we did fill the matrix for beta 15:24
adamw kparal: :) 15:24
tflink adamw: yeah, I was just thinking about the less-straightforward configs that ended up causing trouble after F18 release 15:24
mjg59 adamw: We should finally have a patch that resolves most of the UEFI variable issues 15:25
adamw right, that's another area we could do with more test cases 15:26
adamw mjg59: yay! so there _were_ still issues on the kenrel side? 15:26
adamw what's the timeframe on landing that? 15:26
mjg59 adamw: Well, no. Issues on the firmware side. 15:26
kparal mjg59: what are the changes? 15:26
mjg59 But I have finally come up with an elegant mechanism for making the damn things do what we want 15:26
jreznik mjg59: and how much you can do with fw side? 15:26
jreznik mjg59: nice to hear! 15:27
mjg59 kparal: Change the threshold from 50% to 5KB, do something magic which will (in theory) force the firmware to trigger garbage collection 15:27
kparal mjg59: sounds good. can we expect a blogpost about the details? 15:27
mjg59 kparal: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25091.html 15:27
jreznik mjg59: what do you achieve by changing 50% to 5 KB? 15:27
kparal mjg59: thanks! 15:28
mjg59 jreznik: It's less than the maximum variable size, so we can create a new variable that's larger than the remaining space 15:29
mjg59 Or, rather, attempt to 15:29
kparal mjg59: does it mean that kernel panics will never again be stored in uefi nvram, too risky? 15:29
* jreznik is reading the blog post 15:29
mjg59 kparal: No, we should be safe in doing that 15:29
adamw mjg59: any news on the timeframe? 15:29
mjg59 adamw: It's on LKML, jwb has a scratch build 15:30
mjg59 kparal: That's currently disabled because it turns out the code is shit (which may be, uh, my fault) 15:30
adamw mjg59: well, I mean, getting it in an official f19 kernel build 15:31
mjg59 adamw: Once we've got confirmation from some testing of the scratch build 15:31
adamw kparal: hint hint :) 15:32
jreznik kparal: hint, hint ^^^ 15:32
kparal thanks guys 15:32
jreznik adamw: hey, you were faster! 15:32
adamw .fire jreznik there can be only one 15:32
zodbot adamw fires jreznik there can be only one 15:32
kparal mjg59: can you give us a link to that scratch build? 15:32
mjg59 Linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 15:33
adamw #info mjg59 informs us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues. scratch build for testing linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335 15:33
adamw thanks matt! 15:33
kparal I'll try to understand the blogpost and then test the build 15:33
* jreznik thinks he understands what mjg59 wants to achieve, hopes firmwares will be cooperative :) 15:34
adamw #topic Test Days 15:34
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off pretty successfully last week, i saw lots of active testing on both 15:35
adamw although - kparal, next time check in with the virt folks on the details of the live image; we kinda needed it to be installable for virt testing 15:36
kparal they didn't say 15:36
kparal why we need anaconda? 15:36
adamw they weren't aware we dropped anaconda from test day lives 15:36
adamw well, because you can't really do virt hosting from a live session 15:36
adamw unless you have like 32GB of RAM 15:36
adamw we just told people to use the beta lives and that worked out fine, so it wasn't a big deal 15:37
kparal I see 15:37
kparal in that case maybe a tailored Live wasn't needed at all 15:37
adamw yeah, maybe 15:37
adamw like i said, it didn't turn out to be a big problem, just a note 15:37
kparal I'm waiting for dcbw to give me a list of packages for tomorrow's test day so that I can build a Live image for them 15:38
kparal FreeIPA test day should be good, they're creating the image themselves 15:38
adamw cool; 15:38
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager page looks ready, kparal is working on the live image 15:39
adamw #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication looks ready to go 15:39
adamw any other test day notes from anyone? 15:39
adamw #topic Open floor 15:42
adamw welp, here we are folks, any other business/ 15:42
tflink nothing I can think of, no 15:42
adamw tflink: we have rather a lot of proposed blockers; should we do blocker review next? 15:43
tflink probably, yes 15:44
kparal oh, I hoped you wouldn't ask :) 15:44
tflink that looks like at least 3 hours of fun 15:44
* tflink gets started on prep 15:44
adamw kparal: c'mon, you know I never miss blocker review fun 15:45
kparal well, I don't miss it either 15:46
* j_dulaney is off 15:46
j_dulaney Apologies for not participating 15:46
adamw so that's blocker review fun in bat-channel #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the clock, folks 15:47
adamw strap yourselves in 15:47
brunowolff Note that if you are using rawhide kernels on f19, the grub(2) conf files don't (and won't) get updated. 15:48
adamw oh, yeah, that bug's worth a call-out 15:48
adamw do you have the number handy? 15:48
brunowolff I can find it. I think it is closed though. 15:49
adamw welp, sounds like that's everything 15:54
adamw blocker review in 5 minutes folks, thanks for coming! 15:54
brunowolff While looking, it looks like they might have pushed the fixed systemd to f19 today. Yeah! 15:54
adamw yay! 15:54
adamw #endmeeting 15:54

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