Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-04-19/HTML Log

HTML Log

susmit	your wiki names please.
susmit	SusmitShannigrahi
techbugs	SiddharthUpmanyu
omshanti	GopalDas
rahmanangel	AshiqurRahman
maktrix	MahayAlamKhan
kanarip	JeroenVanMeeuwen
KevinVerma	KevinVerma
susmit	please follow the protocol
susmit	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
susmit	agenda is here
hanthana	DanishkaNavin
susmit	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-04-19
heherson	HehersonPagcaliwagan
susmit	anyone else here?
susmit	First agenda Freemedia
techbugs	!
susmit	techbugs
techbugs	Hi all SiddharthUpmanyu here.. For the region we are very much lacking in the freemedia distribution due to lack of resuorces(obvious )
hanthana	+1
techbugs	now i have one change in the pattern which we ship DVDs which can help in improving situation
susmit	techbugs, what pattern do you suggest?
techbugs	we can have a meeting before every months opening and check with locations of fedora ambassadors ... when we get a request from the same location we forward the request to the abmassador in that place
techbugs	the ambassador can choose to contact the request owners and ask them to get a blank media and get it burned directly
rahmanangel	+1
maktrix	+1
techbugs	this can work because we have major requests coming from very few cities
techbugs	like 800+ pending from FreeMedia India since last yesr whe have 400 from 5 cities
susmit	any city wise division?
techbugs	Chennai(100+) Bangalore (150+) Pune(60+) Delhi (60+) Colcata (80+)
susmit	nice
hanthana	!
techbugs	a few more in the range of 40-50
susmit	hanthana, if techbugs finished
hanthana	this is ok for India, but in Sri Lanka I'm handling all, even out of the FreeMedia list
hanthana	coz, I can't say NO for them
hanthana	most of them from Academia
susmit	You said about connecting all them to backbone
susmit	so that my lower the requests
susmit	may
heherson	!
susmit	heherson
heherson	how is the backbone to be setup?
heherson	eof
susmit	backbone is generally existing...may be some isp's or gov's
susmit	how about users sending blank media to ambassadors? we take up shipping cost?
hanthana	!
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	its not good, with comparing to Ubuntu
hanthana	there are not asking a blank DVD or a single CD
techbugs	!
susmit	techbugs
hanthana	dude, this is a kind of competetion
hanthana	eof
techbugs	ubuntu follows very different path.. it is heavily funded by one man...
susmit	techbugs +1
hanthana	!
techbugs	we are not in any comparision with ububtu
techbugs	eof
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	why RH can't funding for Fedora
* nim-nim (n=nim-nim@fedora/nim-nim) has joined #fedora-meeting
hanthana	I mean -- for the distribution
susmit	any RH representative here? :)
hanthana	at least for Developping countries
hanthana	yes
hanthana	I can see few RH employees
iWolf	!
hanthana	but not sure about managers ;)
susmit	iWolf
KevinVerma	do you mean funding for media shipping ?
hanthana	!
iWolf	I am *not* an RH employee, so I speak only for myself. RH does do a lot to help support the Fedora Project, provides servers, bandwidth and pays people to work in key pieces of the project.
techbugs	+1
iWolf	They can only do so much, and where they can't help out it is up to the community to help step up.
KevinVerma	+1 iwolf
susmit	+1, we may ask Famsco instead
iWolf	We do have a budget for events, so Fedora can help you there.
iWolf	eof
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	as RHEL is taking feed back from the Fedora users and contributors,
hanthana	they must fund for both media and shipping at least for developping countries.
techbugs	!
hanthana	for example; RH - India can fund for India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Nepal, etc
KevinVerma	in developing countries we should also explore other means than just shipping media
susmit	well, Fedora is a community effort of which RH is a part.
maktrix	+1
susmit	techbugs
techbugs	can be a debate point but currently this kind of discussion is out of our scope :) we can focus on what we have got...
techbugs	eof
susmit	techbugs +1, leave RH out of discussion at this moment.
iWolf	techbugs: +1
KevinVerma	+1
omshanti	!
susmit	omshanti
heherson	!
omshanti	blank media and return envelop solution can be taken for the time being
techbugs	and help of local ambassadors
susmit	well, how about we provide shipping charge?
iWolf	!
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	If you provide shipping charge for the blank media to you, aren't you further ahead to pay for the blank media and only need to ship it once?
iWolf	eof
susmit	INR 10 compared to INR 30
susmit	:)
iWolf	ah, okay.  :)
omshanti	!
susmit	How about we accept donations in terms of media? not money.. iWolf?
susmit	I got a few people interested in making donations of media
iWolf	I would think if people have media they want to give to the cause, that would be good.
omshanti	!
KevinVerma	money will be easy to manage and re-dist within Ambassadors, imho
techbugs	!
susmit	But ambassaors can not accept money
susmit	onshanti
omshanti	!
susmit	omshanti
KevinVerma	project can ?
omshanti	they can send the postal stamp inside the return envelop along with the black media
KevinVerma	donations*
susmit	project can IMO...iWolf?
omshanti	we can request them to send postal stamp inside the return envelop
hanthana	!
omshanti	and when we return them we just have to stick them
iWolf	Fedora Project isn't set up to really accept donations. That is one of the reasons the EMEA group setup thei own organization, so they could work easier with cases like this.
susmit	omshanti, is not that same ?
susmit	techbugs
omshanti	kind and money is not same
techbugs	we can setup a fund for the reagion like EMEA and accept inflows in it ... then distribution to ambassadors
techbugs	eof
susmit	hanthana after techbugs finishes
hanthana	Anuj pls read this http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol
susmit	+1
hanthana	What is this FreeMedia or Stamp Media.. :(
susmit	I meant techbugs +1
hanthana	;)
heherson	+1 techbugs
hanthana	eof
hanthana	techbugs, +1
rahmanangel	+1 techbugs
techbugs	any suggestions regarding hoto
techbugs	howto
iWolf	!
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	The local laws for your region will control how you would setup something similar to EMEA. That will be different. I am sure the EMEA folks could offer some basic advice and things to take into consideration.
iWolf	Also, techbugs said it best earlier, for now - work with what you have.
iWolf	You guys are doing great by starting your meetings up and making those first steps to getting organized.
iWolf	eof
susmit	lets set up a wiki page on that and work on it...
susmit	for the time being
techbugs	!
susmit	lets accept as much free requests as we can...may be fixed by a meeting at the end of a month
iWolf	+1
susmit	rest will required to send media
omshanti	+1
susmit	techbugs
techbugs	can we have a country wise representation in todays meeting.. please state your country name.... i am asking this so that we can form initial groups who can take responsibility for setting up teams and coordination forcoming menths
techbugs	India eof
heherson	Philippines eof
maktrix	Bangladesh
susmit	India
rahmanangel	Bangladesh
hanthana	Sri Lanka eof
omshanti	India
susmit	anyone else?
susmit	So whats the decision?
susmit	shall we go forward with media to be sent by requesting person?
susmit	please vote
susmit	+1
maktrix	+1
hanthana	-1
omshanti	+1
techbugs	if we cant do it by anyother wayy (local help or contribution) +1
rahmanangel	techbugs +1
heherson	for now +1
susmit	ok then we go forward with it for this month. techbugs can you create a draft wiki page on the proposals?
techbugs	yap sure
susmit	next agenda
susmit	local events
hanthana	!
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	why don't you try to keep this as rewally free project
techbugs	!
hanthana	*really
susmit	techbugs
techbugs	"Free as in beer" .... we just cant fund everything to make it look like free for the end users
techbugs	eof
susmit	exactly +1.
susmit	hahthana
susmit	what do you think is better?
susmit	having 1200 pending requests or
susmit	do as much as we can....
hanthana	that why I asked to fund from RH
heherson	!
susmit	well, time is running out...we may discuss more on mailing list
iWolf	+1
susmit	next agenda please
maktrix	+1
hanthana	:P
omshanti	+1
susmit	fedora events
hanthana	!
susmit	we are not having _any_ event here
susmit	famsco have money allocated for it...but we can not take it :(
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	DO YOU going to ask DVD and stamp from all 1200 people
hanthana	it wasn't in the request page, at that time,
hanthana	at least for now do your own... please
maktrix	!
susmit	maktrix
maktrix	can FAMSCO disburse funding in Bangladesh ?
susmit	sure...iWolf?
iWolf	!
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	FAmSCO has funding for events.
maktrix	we have plenty of opportunity to participate eof
iWolf	we have some money set aside for the APAC region. To receive money there needs to be an event on the Fedora Events page in the wiki.
iWolf	So, if you know of an event, someone would need to own the event, add it to the Fedora Events page and begin planning.
maktrix	!
iWolf	We are handling it in quarters
iWolf	based on RH fiscal year.
hanthana	!
iWolf	so for this first quarter (ends at the end of May) we are sort of going ad hoc.
susmit	the problem is Ambassadors go to the events, but don't ask for support or list them.
maktrix	!
susmit	maktrix
iWolf	To be considered for 2nd quarter the event needs to be listed on the Fedora Events page by May 1st.
iWolf	eof
susmit	iWolf, thanks :)
maktrix	if an easy to request webform for event reporting and or support asking can be setup would be fine
maktrix	eof
iWolf	!
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	For event reporting, we cover that in the Reporting guidelines - we want to see posts to a blog that is on Fedora Planet and an email to the Ambassadors list. That is so we can make sure people worldwide can see and hear about the activity.
iWolf	eof
susmit	asking swags/money have a webpage
iWolf	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/ReportingGuidelines
susmit	but reporing have not
iWolf	susmit: for asking for money, the event just needs and owner and to be listed on the Fedora Events page. That is what FAmSCo uses when we look at what events need funding.
susmit	Exactly
omshanti	!
susmit	so why don't we make ALL events we go to as a fedora event?
susmit	lets do it from now
hanthana	!
susmit	onshanti
susmit	omshanti
omshanti	thanks iWolf what is the procedure to receive the funds
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	iWolf, in Sri Lanka we have FOSS events in each month,
hanthana	but more people used to be with ubntu...
hanthana	but I'm talking about Fedora only
hanthana	so, is it possible to fund for such an event, by Media, notes,etc
hanthana	NOT money.. :D
hanthana	eof
susmit	sure
susmit	there is webform for the same
iWolf	!
susmit	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/GetStuff
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	omshanti: when an event is listed on the Events page with an owner we will work with you to see how much funding is available
iWolf	Also, with the release of Fedora 9, don't forget we have limited funding for sponsoring the first 10 release parties as announced here:
iWolf	https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-April/msg00154.html
iWolf	eof
omshanti	thanks iWolf
hanthana	!
susmit	thanks..I will take care of creating a easy reporting web-form. So we don't miss any event
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	i need a answer from iWolf
hanthana	we address nearly 50 -100 students per an event
iWolf	hanthana: the money for events is already in the budget Fedora Project has.
iWolf	hanthana: it isn't a case of Fedora Project accepting a donation necessarily.
hanthana	iWolf, do you have any issue, if other ppl from ubuntu,etc
hanthana	iWolf, coz, I dont want to suck Fedora funds
iWolf	hanthana: your events sound great, we don't mind if ubuntu is there or not.
iWolf	hanthana: we have had shared release parties in the past, so a combined event is not an issue.
hanthana	iWolf, thats why I told you the truth
hanthana	iWolf, thanks :)
susmit	next
susmit	we also need to create a event database....please list all your regional events and timing.
susmit	anyone willing to create a wiki page for that?
susmit	we finish in 10 minutes.
hanthana	susmit, can we move with existing event page?
hanthana	do we need a separate one for APAC ?
susmit	A page for APAC will be great
iWolf	hanthana: there is a section for APAC on the existing Fedora Event page.
susmit	iWold sure it is.
hanthana	iWolf, susmit ok lets go ahead with it
hanthana	:)
iWolf	!
susmit	but I am talking about ALL events...so that ambassadors look at the page and decide if they can attend that or not..
susmit	iWolf
iWolf	do remember that the budget is limited, so if APAC comes up with 100 events, we won't be able to fund all of them.
iWolf	Here is the budget page if youhave not seen it before.
iWolf	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents
susmit	Seen it
hanthana	seen it
iWolf	we can of course work with you to determine which events need funding.
iWolf	eof
susmit	but we have no event in any quarter and we have a lot of users and contributors!!!
susmit	so as we said we may discuss about what events need funding
iWolf	susmit: agreed. we (famsco) would love to see events from the APAC region.
hanthana	!
susmit	hanthana
iWolf	don't forget, we have some release party funds too... ;)
hanthana	we have such event in Sri Lanka :)
hanthana	in each and every month
hanthana	eof
susmit	why don't you list them?
hanthana	I didn't due to mixing issue
hanthana	now onwards I can do it
rahmanangel	!
susmit	As iWolf famsco can not support a numbers of events...but as long as are ready to do it...do it
susmit	rahmanangel
hanthana	yeah
maktrix	!
rahmanangel	This month we have ubuntu release party in bangladesh for first time
susmit	Why don't you arrenge for an fedora release party?
susmit	arrange
hanthana	+1
iWolf	+1
maktrix	-1
susmit	maktrix
hanthana	rahmanangel, do it dude
susmit	maktrix why nit?
maktrix	am not aware of it...
susmit	not?
maktrix	haven't heard of any
susmit	unaware of what?
rahmanangel	as iWolf told we have had shared release parties in the past, we can go with them arenge a shared party
maktrix	Ankur Bangladesh (http://ankur.org.bd/wiki/Home ) is a having a install fest for Fedora9 next month, Can weincorporate with them and have a release party
susmit	Or we may have both?
susmit	why not both?
susmit	we finish in 5 minutes
hanthana	If you performed well you can win
hanthana	if F9 performed well no issue at all
susmit	maktrix, rahmanangel?
susmit	lets go for both
maktrix	+1
rahmanangel	+1
susmit	nice
hanthana	yeah
susmit	anyone have anything more to say?
susmit	we have some pending agenda...will discuss at later meeting.
susmit	noone?
susmit	so thanks everyone....
susmit	thanks iWolf
omshanti	thank you susmit and everybody
hanthana	susmit, mirror??
iWolf	susmit: you're welcome. thanks for leading the meeting
hanthana	!
susmit	hanthana
hanthana	at the moment Im working on Fedora private mirrors for accademia.
hanthana	01. Fedora customized mirror for the University VPN - LEARN
hanthana	02. Fedora mirror for the schoolnet - VPN of the schools of the Sri Lanka
hanthana	Moreover we are thinking on caching service too
hanthana	after that we can move for a Public mirror
susmit	yeah, a lot of pending issues remain
susmit	we have to meet very soon again
hanthana	iWolf, this is a long term plan for Fedora community
susmit	may be next week?
hanthana	susmit, tiker\y ;)
susmit	pending issues
hanthana	tikey
iWolf	hanthana: that sounds like a great plan.
susmit	mirrors
susmit	marketing
iWolf	hanthana: helps start the infrastructure for distribution.
susmit	student partners
susmit	press
susmit	bulk media production
hanthana	thanks iWolf
susmit	so we will discuss at next meeting....
hanthana	iWolf, I will do my best
hanthana	+1
susmit	good night and good morning and good evening, ;)
susmit	see you all again
hanthana	susmit, date N time ?
susmit	will work on mailing list
hanthana	sure
susmit	bye everyone. Have a nice time :)
omshanti	sya all take care
techbugs	thanks all.. cya
rahmanangel	Good night/morning/evening
hanthana	iWolf, susmit omshanti maktrix rahmanangel heherson techbugs Thanks guys
maktrix	valo thaken
hanthana	have a nice day

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