BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Dec-09

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-12-09

Attendees

• jds2001
• John5342
• quantumburnz
• poelcat

Unfinished Tasks From Last Meeting

• jds2001 to add enhanced query for excluding rawhide bugs from rebase which block tracker for next release
• jds2001 to create tracker bugs
  • BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers
• poelcat to draft EOL Fedora 8 ticket for Red Hat Engineering Operations
• check back next week

Policies

• Discussion from fedora-devel-list about expanding PackageMaintainers/Policy
  • Describe bug handling policies (e.g. EOL, rawhide rebase, bug state changes, etc.)
  • Include BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
  • ACTIONS: quantumburnz will update page

FUDCon Fedora 11

• What should we do from a bug triage perspective?
• One year since Bug Zappers relaunched
• Still not as effective as we would like to be
• Does FUDCon draw the people that are likely to help with triage or is that not the case because most are developers?
• Think about more and discuss next week

Misc

• Add your name to BugZappers/ActiveTriagers
  • thanks to tk009 for preparing it and sending out message last week and John5342's help as well

IRC Transcript

NOTE: the published version of this trascript has been edited to remove the distraction of inappropriate off-topic discussion

John5342	hi	07:01
poelcat	ping tk009 jds2001 jlaska John5342 quantumburnz all bug Triagers	07:01
poelcat	John5342: hi	07:01
quantumburnz	hello	07:01
poelcat	quantumburnz: good {morning,afternoon,evening}	07:02
quantumburnz	hehe, still bright morning here	07:03
* jds2001 here, sorry im late		07:03
poelcat	jds2001: just the person I was picking on, I mean waiting for :)	07:04
poelcat	first topic--BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Dec-02	07:04
poelcat	follow up to last week	07:04
poelcat	jds2001: were you able to add the new query?	07:05
* jds2001 looks, i cant remember so likely not :(		07:05
jds2001	oops, i forgot :P	07:05
quantumburnz	hehe	07:06
poelcat	jds2001: np	07:06
poelcat	jds2001: can we check back w/ you next week?	07:07
jds2001	sure thing!	07:07
poelcat	next followup was creating the trackers BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Trackers	07:07
jds2001	John5342 updated the FindingBugs page with Fedora 10	07:08
jds2001	grr, i havent done that either	07:08
jds2001	fire me.	07:08
jds2001	:)	07:08
* jds2001 should get on that today, but I'm busy this evening :(		07:08
poelcat	John5342: thanks for doing that!	07:09
John5342	poelcat: no probs	07:09
* poelcat was delinquent and did not draft the F8 EOL ticket		07:10
poelcat	though it was on my todo list all week and we still have a month :)	07:10
jds2001	seems like we're just a bunch of delinquents this week :)	07:10
John5342	at the same time modified the queries to exclude package review	07:10
poelcat	John5342: brilliant :)	07:10
poelcat	well tk009 was on the ball and updated the ActiveTriagers page :)	07:11
quantumburnz	ya, tk009 was quick on that too. i saw an email to update the page the next day i think it was.	07:11
poelcat	everyone should add their names to that page	07:11
poelcat	BugZappers/ActiveTriagers	07:11
John5342	and then i moved the old active triagers to the pasttriagers	07:11
poelcat	John5342 was on the ball too :)	07:12
poelcat	jds2001: how did the classroom session go?	07:12
jds2001	pretty well I think, attendance was not what I'd have hoped.	07:13
jds2001	but John5342 was there, as well as a few others :)	07:13
jds2001	I think having it at the a$$ crack of dawn US time didn't help...	07:14
* John5342 was superhuman and appeared everywhere :P		07:14
jds2001	and that's for me, for you it was at like 5AM :P	07:14
poelcat	next topic PackageMaintainers/Policy	07:20
poelcat	nirik was asking if we could add a section about some of our policies here ^^	07:21
poelcat	so that package maintainers aren't surprised when certain things happen to their bugs	07:22
jds2001	but some of our policies like closing at EOL	07:24
jds2001	is what we're talking about.	07:24
quantumburnz	poelcat: i'm not jumping up to do this b/c i'm not exactly sure what i'd write about. however, if i had a list of topics you guys wanted me to cover, i could try to crank something out.	07:26
jds2001	quantumburnz: sure	07:26
John5342	was just about to say the same.	07:27
jds2001	quantumburnz: the parts about closing at EOL, rebasing rawhide, etc.	07:27
quantumburnz	no kidding. ok, i'll write up something about those.	07:28
poelcat	quantumburnz: probably helpful to refer to BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow	07:29
poelcat	quantumburnz: thanks for taking that on	07:29
quantumburnz	poelcat: you're welcome	07:29
poelcat	are there any other topics people would like to discuss?	07:30
jds2001	quantumburnz: let me know if you have any problems	07:31
jds2001	I *think* that page is editable by anyone.	07:31
quantumburnz	jds2001: ok, thanks. i'm sure i'll be looking for help if it's not. ;)	07:31
jds2001	if not, it needs to be a FPC member	07:31
quantumburnz	FPC?	07:32
quantumburnz	package contributor?	07:32
jds2001	fedora packaging committee	07:32
quantumburnz	ahh	07:32
jds2001	i normally bug abadger1999 about it :)	07:32
tibbs|h	Only things under Packaging/ are restricted.	07:33
jds2001	OK, cool :)	07:33
* bpepple sees he got pinged, and reads back a bit.		07:34
jds2001	bpepple: spot took care of it, need an op in here :)	07:35
jds2001	needed	07:35
bpepple	ah, ok.	07:35
* bpepple goes back to work.		07:35
quantumburnz	there looks to be a decent section about EOL under 'Fedora Maintenance Lifecycle Policy.' what else were we hoping to talk about?	07:38
jds2001	I think that Patrice put that in there, actually.	07:38
jds2001	iirc	07:39
poelcat	next topic	07:40
poelcat	is anyone going to FUDCon?	07:40
* jds2001		07:40
* poelcat will be there		07:40
* John5342 is on another continent		07:40
poelcat	in fact it will be the 1 year anniversary of the bug zapper's relaunch	07:40
* jds2001 will be in better health for this year's fudcon than last one :)		07:41
jds2001	that was not a fun event :(	07:41
jds2001	for those that dont know, I broke my shoulder the day before the last FUDCon :(	07:42
John5342	jds2001: thats real bad luck :(	07:42
quantumburnz	eek :( no kidding...	07:42
jds2001	and I went anyways! :)	07:43
poelcat	i don't have clear idea of what we should do at this fudcon from a bug triage perspective	07:44
jds2001	I'm actually hoping that this FUDCon is more productive, as poelcat mentioned, the last one was held in conjunction with RH Summit and I was an attendee there too	07:44
jds2001	trying to split my time turned into fail.	07:44
jds2001	and the fact I was in agonizing pain only added to the fail.	07:45
poelcat	so how about if we think about what we might want to do at fudcon and discuss that at next week's meeting?	07:47
jds2001	sure thing.	07:47
* poelcat isn't sure another barcamp presentation is the answer		07:47
poelcat	but maybe it is	07:47
* John5342 wont be at fudcon but agrees with the idea		07:47
jds2001	John5342: i think we	07:48
quantumburnz	i'll give it some thought and see if i can't give any suggestions next week. even tho i won't be there. :(	07:48
jds2001	will be trying everything we can to enable remote attendees	07:48
jds2001	but the times might be a tad inconveinent	07:48
poelcat	overall i don't think we've found the right ways to effectively draw in and motivate lots of people	07:48
poelcat	but they've got to be out there :)	07:49
quantumburnz	my intuition would be you're not going to find a lot of people at FUCON that would be interested in doing triaging/bug zapping. i think the people who will be most interested are those who are looking to learn more about fedora and it's packages.	07:50
quantumburnz	and those who maybe don't have a lot of programming/packaging experience but want a place to start.	07:50
poelcat	quantumburnz: that's insightful	07:51
poelcat	i hadn't considered from that angle	07:51
poelcat	it is pitched as a "user" and "developers" conference, but I think you're right	07:51
jds2001	so where we could get bang for the buck is something like OLF	07:52
poelcat	the sense I get is that it is mostly developers	07:52
jds2001	poelcat: you and I both know it's 99% developers :)	07:52
jds2001	but last time, we had folks like notting and davej sit in on our talk and offer really useful insight too.	07:53
poelcat	jds2001: hm... maybe boston '08 was, but raleigh '08 seemed more of a mix	07:53
quantumburnz	jds2001: OLF?	07:53
poelcat	jds2001: you do point to one thing I have thought of which is to find a way we could partner or work along side folks like that more	07:53
Kevin_Kofler	Brno 2008 was almost all developers.	07:54
poelcat	we need some rock stars :)	07:54
jds2001	quantumburnz: ohio linux fest	07:55
jds2001	or maybe linuxfest northwest up in your neck of the woods, poelcat :)	07:55
* jds2001 thinks that's in Seattle area, though.		07:55
poelcat	jds2001: that's compappy's neighborhood	07:55
poelcat	5-6 hours north of me	07:56
John5342	i think the problem with end user numbers at linux events is the fact they may be seen as geeks. not an issue for programmers but end users is another story.	07:56
* quantumburnz misses Seattle		07:56
jds2001	quantumburnz: where you at again?	07:57
quantumburnz	John5342: I'd also think it's expensive to travel to something like that if it's not near you. Also, an end user may think they have little to contribute. I must say though, I don't know much about FUDCON's or what goes on there.	07:58
quantumburnz	jds2001: I'm in Pensacola, FL now but lived in Seattle until I was 16	07:58
jds2001	ahhh	07:58
jds2001	i lived in phoenix for five years when i was a kid, i think I'd like that :)	07:59
John5342	quantumburnz: am talking about linux events in general. even applies to local user groups such as the one in my own local town	07:59
* jds2001 not a fan of cold weather, and I live in the wrong part of the country for that :)		07:59
John5342	i may be mistaken but i think we are out of time	07:59
jds2001	yeah, KDE sig meets next	08:00
quantumburnz	jds2001: yup, moved to phx to finish high school after living in seattle too	08:00
quantumburnz	John5342: I didn't know there were local things. Perhaps I should check something like that out. Have a good day everyone!	08:01
John5342	thanks and bye all. see you next week.	08:01
poelcat	thanks John5342 quantumburnz jds2001 and anyone else I missed	08:01

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