BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-May-19

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2009-05-19

Agenda: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-May/msg00797.html

Attendees

• adamw
• arxs
• poelcat
• thomasj
• tk009

Meeting Recap

• BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora11#Qualifying_Criteria - poelcat has the information from the bugzilla team to tweak the query. Needs to be tested.

• BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora11#Fedora_9_EOL_Warning - poelcat filed all necessary tickets with the bugzilla team for the rebase, F9 EOL warning and F9 EOL changes.

poelcat will update BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora11 with the completed items.

• Triage Metrics - http://publictest14.fedoraproject.org/triageweb/ - Require the early test data collected by comphappy to continue. Adam will contact comphappy.

• Severity/priority - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Beland/Bugzilla_Legend - Adam will send an email to fedora-test-list soliciting feedback on the setting the severity field only on rawhide submitted bugs, beginning with the F12 development cycle.

IRC Transcript

--- Log opened Tue May 19 11:01:49 2009
poelcat	anyone else I'm missing?	11:01
* arxs here		11:01
poelcat	hi	11:01
* thomasj		11:02
poelcat	hi thomasj	11:02
adamw	yo	11:04
poelcat	morning adamw	11:04
thomasj	Hello poelcat	11:04
poelcat	let's get started	11:05
poelcat	first topic housekeeping	11:05
poelcat	i created this page BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Releases	11:05
poelcat	which provide an easy way to locate the housekeeping page for a particular release	11:05
tk009	is here	11:06
poelcat	if you want to see the scary past see BugZappers/F9CleanUp	11:06
poelcat	tk009: hi	11:06
poelcat	so on BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora11 I was working on tuning the query	11:06
poelcat	for the rawhide rebase	11:07
poelcat	i got an answer from the bugzilla team last night	11:07
poelcat	but haven't had a chance to tweak the query	11:07
poelcat	i have also filed tickets with the bugzilla team for all three jobs	11:07
poelcat	i'll update the wiki with that info	11:07
poelcat	any questions/input on BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora11	11:08
poelcat	?	11:08
tk009	the rebase, eol warning and EOL?	11:08
tk009	those tickets?	11:08
poelcat	correct	11:08
poelcat	i file a ticket with the bugzilla team to automatically complete those actions	11:09
poelcat	the "bugzilla team" is also known as "engineering operations" internally, FWIW	11:09
poelcat	i often use the terms interchangably	11:09
tk009	=)	11:09
poelcat	tk009: does that answer your quesion?	11:10
tk009	yes	11:10
poelcat	next topic was status on triage metrics- http://publictest14.fedoraproject.org/triageweb/	11:11
poelcat	i believe comphappy posted to f-t-l	11:11
tk009	in his post he said they would be up by today	11:11
tk009	but no go on last check	11:11
adamw	no news from me on that one either i'm afraid :/	11:12
tk009	adamw you heard from hi or you pythons gurus?	11:12
poelcat	sounds like he has some work/school conflicts too	11:12
adamw	i'll keep trying to get to him about it	11:12
adamw	the python gurus are waiting on test data from brennan	11:12
* poelcat wonders if there are others who would like to partner w/ comphappy to work on devel of this application		11:12
adamw	well we have willing help from the python mailing list	11:12
adamw	that's not really the problem	11:12
adamw	the bottleneck now is test data	11:12
adamw	once we have that, it could be worked on independently of comphappy	11:13
poelcat	adamw: so we also need a documenation on how to generate test data for the future	11:13
tk009	seems like a ton of work jsut to get these stats	11:13
* poelcat looking for positive ways to not be fully dependent/blocked by one person		11:14
adamw	poelcat: not sure if that would be super important; we can always use the same set of test data for offline tests	11:14
adamw	and most things could be done online anyway	11:14
adamw	once the system's actually up	11:14
poelcat	okay	11:14
poelcat	so we basically need comphappy to generate the test data or tell us how?	11:15
adamw	no, we just need him to upload the data he already has	11:15
poelcat	adamw: ah, good clarification :)	11:15
adamw	the snapshot he used in the alpha that went online for a while	11:15
poelcat	anything else on this topic?	11:16
tk009	it was one days worth of data	11:16
adamw	not from me	11:16
poelcat	last scheduled topic.... http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Beland/Bugzilla_Legend - Follow up on	11:17
poelcat	Adam's email request for choosing which method to use going forward. Set	11:17
poelcat	both severity and priority, or just severity.	11:17
adamw	so, i sent out the email	11:17
adamw	haven't seen any replies	11:17
tk009	I didn't see any feedbak on that on the list	11:18
adamw	but i haven't read the list since saturday	11:18
adamw	yesterday was a holiday for me	11:18
tk009	I am up to date	11:18
tk009	nothing missed	11:18
tk009	no replies	11:18
adamw	fun :\	11:18
adamw	maybe i'll try again with a new thread, people sometimes lose things that are replies	11:18
tk009	with release next week everyone may be busy as well	11:19
adamw	true	11:19
tk009	if no replies come in...	11:20
tk009	will you jsut pick one?	11:20
adamw	not sure	11:20
adamw	i'll talk to matej about it at least	11:20
tk009	john5342 is a maintainer and a zapper wonder what he thinks as well	11:21
poelcat	adamw: what about a new thread with a deadline and your chosen preference that will go into affect unless there are suggestions for a better way?	11:22
adamw	but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it	11:22
adamw	poelcat: maybe...	11:22
tk009	why maybe if I can ask	11:23
tk009	I thought you really wanted this in plae	11:23
adamw	well, i don't like to force things unless necessary	11:23
adamw	i meant 'maybe' to the idea of including a deadline and a default choice	11:23
arxs	did we have a "default choice" ?	11:24
tk009	not really a default	11:24
tk009	the first one preposed	11:24
adamw	arxs: well, sort of - the 'set both' option was in the wiki page beland wrote, the 'set one' option was proposed by mcepl later	11:25
arxs	it hard to set a default without to agree in opinion	11:25
adamw	but i don't think time of proposal is much of a grounds for making the choice :)	11:25
adamw	well, we have a bunch of people here eager to debate the metaphysics of it, let's take the debate down a level: which choice do you guys prefer? :)	11:25
adamw	brb, call of nature	11:25
tk009	given the feedback, I think we should stay away from them.	11:26
arxs	proposal b is my persona favourite	11:26
tk009	b is a safer choice	11:26
arxs	i like the idea with the deadline, after 1 or 2 weeks after the release it might be better to	11:27
tk009	without a deadline things like this can die forgotten	11:27
poelcat	or we could say starting with development of F12 we will do this for rawhide bugs	11:28
* poelcat votes for proposal #b... start small, grow from there if desired		11:28
tk009	+1	11:28
arxs	maybe, we can use some "Sound don't work!" title, thats cause a big amount of attracting interest :)	11:29
tk009	that is not a good idea lol	11:29
adamw	so everyone's up for the Cepl Proposal? ok	11:29
arxs	+1 to poelcat	11:29
tk009	the sound issue is a touchy one	11:29
adamw	j/,]]]	11:30
adamw	grr	11:30
tk009	hehe	11:30
adamw	i'll send a new mail today	11:30
arxs	what we choose for the deadline date?	11:32
adamw	end of the week, probabl	11:32
tk009	might as well give it two weeks	11:33
tk009	release week everyone is busy	11:33
* poelcat says one week		11:33
tk009	=)	11:33
poelcat	we've been discussing this forever	11:33
adamw	right	11:33
adamw	two weeks is long enough to trigger the "meh, i'll think about it next week" filter	11:33
poelcat	and it would be a nice clean start to begin w/ F12	11:33
adamw	(and then no-one ever does)	11:33
tk009	so a email today with one week deadline	11:34
arxs	sounds good	11:34
poelcat	and the impact of this "change" is not very high if you ask me	11:34
poelcat	we are adding some meta-data	11:34
tk009	I think the idea is a good one	11:34
tk009	the feedback made me think tho	11:35
adamw	which feedback?	11:35
adamw	the non-existent feedback? =)	11:35
tk009	people saying dont touch my (reporter) setting	11:35
tk009	if I set it to high you leave it	11:35
tk009	feedback like that i saw	11:35
adamw	my considered response to that is 'meh'.	11:35
adamw	bugzilla is a feudal system, reporters are the peasants. =)	11:36
tk009	dont touch that one	11:37
tk009	I wont rather hehe	11:37
tk009	ok I guess we are agreed then	11:37
adamw	yup, i'm happy	11:38
tk009	anyone have something no on the agenda?	11:38
adamw	can't think of anything...	11:39
adamw	any of our newer members around? everything going ok for you if so?	11:39
tk009	it is hard to tell who the new people are	11:39
* thomasj around		11:39
tk009	are you keeping some kind of list	11:40
adamw	thomasj: how's everything for you?	11:40
arxs	i have a question about a bug about target/blocker, but this is maybe for triage day after the meeting	11:40
adamw	tk009: not for now, maybe in future; it's rather tied to the triage metric system in my head	11:40
adamw	arxs: may as well do it now, we've got time :)	11:40
thomasj	I have something over there in #fedora-bugzappers	11:40
tk009	thomasj has jumped in with both feet =)	11:40
thomasj	hehe, yes	11:41
tk009	its good to see that	11:41
arxs	ok, bug 496820, install of f11 always fail on power6 systems due a problem with NetworkManager	11:41
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=496820 high, high, ---, dcbw, ASSIGNED, Fedora11 Beta: Host ethernet are not detected during the network install on P6	11:41
thomasj	adamw, i try to find my way, but need still some help :)	11:42
adamw	thomasj: ok, we can chat in bugzappers after the meeting...	11:43
thomasj	adamw, thanks	11:43
adamw	arxs: hmm, that's an edgy one. technically ppc is still a primary arch so that might well ought to be a blocker. i'll check with jlaska and f13 what they think	11:43
arxs	adamw: thanks	11:44
arxs	James know about the bug too, sine he leave a comment in it	11:44
adamw	yeah	11:45
adamw	i suspect we'll end up saying it's not a blocker because it's only in ppc, which kinda reinforces the debate about whether ppc should be a primary arch any more.	11:45
tk009	that all we have for the meeting?	11:48
arxs	i think so	11:49
poelcat	thanks everyone!	11:49
poelcat	<EOM>	11:49
--- Log closed Tue May 19 11:49:39 2009

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