Meeting:Docs IRC log 20090730

Sparks	#startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings	00:01
* ianweller		00:02
* rudi is here		00:02
Sparks	#topic Roll Call	00:02
* Sparks		00:02
* jjmcd is here		00:02
* rudi jumped the gun earlier but is here		00:02
* ianweller doesn't care that he jumped the gun :)		00:02
* stickster 1/2 here		00:03
* radsy is here		00:03
Sparks	ianweller: As long as you're here	00:03
Sparks	stickster: which half?	00:03
stickster	I don't know, it's via gerrymandering	00:03
Sparks	Okay, let's get started.	00:05
Sparks	#topic Last week's action items	00:05
Sparks	Sparks to follow up with the News people about Zikula	00:05
Sparks	Okay, so I sent an email out to the News folks but I didn't really get a response back. I'll see if I can catch someone over there.	00:06
Sparks	stickster: Is Max the lead there?	00:06
stickster	Sparks: Pascal Calarco is the person who agreed to help, I believe	00:06
Sparks	#ACTION Sparks to follow up with Pascal Calarco from News to make sure we are including all packages necessary for Zikula for them.	00:07
Sparks	Sparks to write rollout plan for license change	00:08
Sparks	Hmmm... Yeah, didn't get to this one.	00:08
stickster	That's something we could use, fer sher	00:08
Sparks	#action Sparks to write rollout plan for license change... 2nd alarm	00:08
* stickster will try to write a blog entry in the next day or two to try and drum up some PHP/JS help		00:08
Sparks	ianweller to write press release	00:09
Sparks	ianweller: I'm guessing you're waiting for my plan, right?	00:09
ianweller	yeah a little bit.	00:09
Sparks	Okay	00:09
Sparks	rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license	00:09
Sparks	rudi: You going to be busy on Monday?	00:09
rudi	Sparks - I'll be available :)	00:09
Sparks	rudi: Okay, I'll get with you after the meeting and setup some time with you. Thanks.	00:10
Sparks	#action rudi to help sparks on changing the fedora-brand in Publican for CC license	00:10
rudi	NP	00:10
Sparks	Sparks to create BZ component for Installation Quick Start Guide	00:10
Sparks	done	00:10
Sparks	Sparks to create a BZ component for Virtualization Guide	00:10
Sparks	done	00:10
Sparks	Sparks to send out reminder about the RN meeting	00:11
Sparks	done	00:11
Sparks	jjmcd: Do we need to meet again this week? I don't think we got throught everything last week	00:11
jjmcd	I think we do	00:11
Sparks	Same bat time?	00:11
jjmcd	we hit one of I think 4 major topics	00:11
jjmcd	I kept it on my calendar just in case	00:11
Sparks	When is it? Tomorrow at ???	00:11
* rudi stocked up on Coke and Doritos :)		00:12
jjmcd	11E	00:12
Sparks	So 1500 UTC	00:12
jjmcd	so 1500Z maybe	00:12
Sparks	Okay.	00:12
Sparks	Anyone have anything else from last week?	00:13
Sparks	#topic Status on CMS (Zikula) <-- ke4qqq	00:13
Sparks	#link Zikula#Module_status	00:13
Sparks	Okay, I don't think ke4qqq is here tonight...	00:13
Sparks	so I'll just give a quick update.	00:14
Sparks	The webpage listed above is a status page of all the Zikula modules that need to be packaged...	00:14
Sparks	and what their hangups are.	00:14
* stickster may need to update his		00:14
Sparks	We still have quite a few that are broken due to licensing issues.	00:14
* stickster just updated his entries on that list		00:15
Sparks	I've been pushing my packages to F-10, F-11, F-12, and EL-5. F-10 is optional, I guess, but everyone that is packaging needs to push to EL-5 as well.	00:16
stickster	Yup, took care of mine yesterday and today	00:16
Sparks	stickster: Is there anything else>?	00:16
stickster	One thing we're going to need to make a call on soon is changing "upstream to resolve" to "$FEDORA_PERSON to resolve"	00:16
stickster	Blocking on licensing is bad, and I think upstream's going to need our help here, something more than asking them to do it	00:17
Sparks	I agree.	00:17
Sparks	I'm going to just go through the three GPL-licensed editors and package them all. That way we have choices	00:18
stickster	Makes sense to me	00:18
* stickster knows tinymce by name		00:19
stickster	OK, moving on	00:19
stickster	#action?	00:19
Sparks	stickster: Do you have time to go through the three packages that are license blocked and explain what exactly is blocking (icons, etc)?	00:19
Sparks	#action Sparks to package the three GPL editors for Zikula	00:20
stickster	I think they're all explained in their respective bugs	00:20
stickster	but...	00:20
stickster	I know off the top of my head that Mediashare is blocked on LIghtboxXL	00:20
stickster	Which is a CC 2.5 licensed JS	00:20
stickster	And that same JS appears in at least one other module, I think it's Mediaattach	00:21
Sparks	Content	00:21
Sparks	MediaAttach says "multiple licensing issues".	00:21
stickster	Sorry, Content -- right.	00:22
Sparks	What does it mean for our Zikula rollout without these packages?	00:22
stickster	For Mediaattach: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=505938#c5	00:22
buggbot	Bug 505938: medium, low, ---, fedora-docs-list, NEW, Need to package MediaAttach.	00:22
stickster	Umm, thanks for nuttin' buggbot	00:22
stickster	Sparks: Well, we can't submit files or other content that's not a written story, withot those modules, if I understand them correctly	00:23
stickster	i.e attaching RPMs wouldn't be possible	00:23
stickster	We also wouldn't be able to put up podcasts for Marketing/News	00:23
Sparks	:(	00:23
stickster	Ah, menutree is the other one that has problems, although they look less horrible	00:24
Sparks	stickster: So what do you propose? action?	00:24
stickster	So... important to get this done.	00:24
stickster	I think that several Docs folks who have some PHP/JS knowledge, or can gain it quickly, should agree to get together at a specific date to fix the problems	00:24
stickster	i.e. Take a Saturday or Sunday and plow through it over IRC	00:25
Sparks	Any takers for assisting?	00:25
stickster	I'm going to do a blog post to see if we can get one or more PHP/JS persons to come by and help from the general community.	00:25
* stickster reminds everyone that they could help by blogging too		00:26
Sparks	#action Stickster to blog to see if we can get some PHP/JS folks to help with out with some Zikula modules.	00:26
stickster	When the going gets hard...	00:27
Sparks	okay, anything else for Zikula?	00:27
Sparks	#topic Status on CC license rollout. <-- ianweller	00:28
Sparks	ianweller: Umm... waiting on me, right?	00:28
ianweller	afaik	00:28
Sparks	#topic Shared open-source style guide <--ke4qqq	00:28
Sparks	#link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-June/msg00163.html	00:29
Sparks	ke4qqq is going to quite busy these next few weeks/months.	00:29
Sparks	Does anyone want to take on this project?	00:29
Sparks	It should be a fun project and I'm sure ke4qqq will want to continue to help out.	00:29
rudi	I'm happy to take it on	00:29
stickster	I thought that laubersm and someone else had indicated interest as well	00:29
rudi	But it will probably be another week or two before I can do anything meaningful with it	00:30
* jjmcd anticipates being well entertained the next few months		00:30
Sparks	stickster: Maybe, I don't remember.	00:30
* stickster thinks to himself, man, a list conversation would have helped us capture that, probalby.		00:31
stickster	*probably, even.	00:31
Sparks	Well, this doesn't have to be a one or two person project	00:31
stickster	Not at all	00:31
stickster	I met some of the folks working on this when I was at Open Source Bridge -- they are good folks.	00:31
Sparks	#action Sparks to put a note on the list about Shared Open-Source Style Guide	00:32
rudi	I know that my slackness in getting some of RH's internal material opened up has blocked this a little	00:32
Sparks	Well, I don't know that the project has a good grasp on what needs to happen, etc.	00:33
Sparks	I think they were going to setup a meeting somewhere.	00:33
Sparks	Okay, I'll try to get a better footing on this topic before next week.	00:34
Sparks	#topic Outstanding BZ Tickets	00:34
Sparks	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora%20Documentation&bug_status=NEW	00:34
Sparks	We are down to 10 NEW bugs. I think we knocked out a few of them last week after the meeting.	00:35
Sparks	Let's see if we can get the rest at least assigned tonight.	00:35
Sparks	Any volunteers to go through them?	00:35
* Sparks hears crickets		00:37
jjmcd	Didn't we already have one like 507999	00:37
jjmcd	In any case, that one is obviously mine	00:37
rudi	jjmcd -- yeah, I was sure that we did	00:38
rudi	But I couldn't find it either :)	00:38
jjmcd	and 514153 is simple needing release	00:39
Sparks	.bug 184234	00:39
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=184234 medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package.	00:39
buggbot	Bug 184234: medium, medium, ---, kwade, NEW, A way to check the CVE/CAN status of a currently installed package.	00:39
Sparks	Ummn.. yeah	00:39
Sparks	So this is an OLD bug but one that is EXTREMELY important to US government/military users	00:40
stickster	Sparks: http://tinyurl.com/mrfcgp <-- blog post as ordered	00:40
Sparks	Where can we put this?	00:40
Sparks	stickster: Awesome! Now that's efficiency	00:41
Sparks	Wasn't someone working on an enterprise-like guide?	00:41
rudi	That's the Fedora Deployment Guide	00:41
Sparks	Hmmm...	00:42
rudi	perspectival has that one	00:42
Sparks	This needs to go into a "user" guide but...	00:42
Sparks	not the "I'm a noob" guide	00:42
perspectival	Sparks: I believe I need a BZ component for the Deployment Guide	00:42
perspectival	sorry to trouble you for more components ;-)	00:43
Sparks	#action Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide	00:43
Sparks	perspectival: No problem.	00:43
perspectival	thanks	00:43
Sparks	Okay... How about I accept this one and write it in the wiki somewhere?	00:44
Sparks	#action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation proceedures in the wiki	00:45
Sparks	I do it enough at work... :)	00:46
Sparks	Okay, moving on...	00:46
Sparks	#topic Guide needs?	00:46
Sparks	Anyone have a Guide that they need assistance with?	00:46
Sparks	#topic New Guides	00:47
Sparks	Okay, anyone have a new guide they'd like to share with us?	00:47
Sparks	or a new guide idea?	00:47
rudi	Just saying that the IQSG is now in localisation and I should have a copy up on docs.fp.o very shortly	00:47
Sparks	IQSG?	00:48
Sparks	Oh	00:48
Sparks	Installation Quick Start Guide	00:48
rudi	Installation Quick Start Guide	00:48
Sparks	jinx!	00:48
Sparks	That's awesome.	00:48
Sparks	anyone else?	00:48
Sparks	#topic All other business	00:48
Sparks	Okay, does anyone have anything?	00:48
* Sparks thinks we might get out on-time/early tonight		00:49
rudi	quiet week at the docs project :)	00:50
perspectival	I would like to mention one thing	00:50
perspectival	I'll add a short update here too on what I'm working on	00:50
perspectival	Currently I'm working on gathering an exhaustive list of all F11 new features that could or should be included in the Deployment Guide (done), ensure that these features should actually be listed in the DG (in progress), and then I'll determine where to add them (TOC, etc.), and: post this info to the deployment-guide-list; create placeholders in the DG for major new features (there's already a placeholder chapter for ABRT)	00:50
perspectival	I'm also working on closing a number of bugs filed against the Deployment Guide	00:51
perspectival	The Deployment Guide has the following major sections ("parts" in DocBook terminology):	00:51
perspectival	I. Package Management: yum, rpm, etc.	00:51
perspectival	II. Network-Related Configuration: interfaces, runlevels, services, BIND, apache, openssh, samba, dhcp, ftp, ldap	00:51
perspectival	III. System Configuration: console access, sysconfig dir, date, time, keyboard, X, users, groups, printers, at, batch, cron and log files	00:51
perspectival	IV. System Monitoring: oprofile, ABRT	00:51
perspectival	V. Kernel and Driver Configuration: upgrading, modules, etc.	00:51
perspectival	** Note that (in contrast to the Red Hat Enterprise Linux Deployment Guide) information on file systems (setting them up, partitioning, lvm, luks, etc.) will not be in the scope of the Deployment Guide for Fedora	00:51
Sparks	No?	00:52
Sparks	Why not?	00:52
perspectival	unfortunately not	00:52
* Sparks notes luks is covered fairly well in the Security Guide		00:52
perspectival	it's out-of-scope for the guide that I'm writing	00:53
Sparks	Okay	00:53
Sparks	Well, that's cool	00:53
perspectival	yeah	00:53
Sparks	Anyone have any questions?	00:53
perspectival	the Fedora DG will be huge even without the part on File Systems, etc.	00:54
perspectival	that's all for me unless there are questions...	00:54
* rudi notes that its RHEL cousin is nearly 1000 pages long :)		00:54
Sparks	Good reading there	00:54
Sparks	Okay, anyone else?	00:55
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Sparks	Speak now or...	00:57
Sparks	2	00:57
Sparks	forever hold your peace	00:57
Sparks	1	00:57
* perspectival is holding		00:57
Sparks	#endmeeting	00:57