Meeting:Marketing meeting 2009-03-17

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moixs	So, let's switch to here for the marketing meeting :)	22:02
ianweller	themayor: hi	22:02
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themayor	hey	22:02
themayor	were in here now?	22:03
stickster	yup	22:03
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themayor	okay that works	22:03
themayor	thanks stickster for setting it up	22:03
* lcafiero has been here		22:03
mizmo	hi	22:03
moixs	Can someone else log the meeting too? I usually get disconnected at 23h (in 1h) because my room mate goes to bed and cuts the wifi ;)	22:03
moixs	Just in case :)	22:04
ianweller	zodbot also keeps logs	22:04
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MostafaDaneshvar	hey	22:04
r0xc0rp	Hey, I'm logging this too if it helps	22:05
moixs	fine ;)	22:05
themayor	okay are we all here?	22:06
ianweller	(raise your hand if you're not here)	22:06
spevack	Max	22:06
themayor	roll call please	22:06
moixs	Steven Moix	22:06
r0xc0rp	Tiago Vieira	22:06
MostafaDaneshvar	Mostafa Daneshvar	22:06
themayor	okay so i assume thats that	22:07
* stickster .		22:07
themayor	let me pull up the schedule	22:08
ianweller	and mizmo is here too	22:08
mizmo	yo	22:08
themayor	Marketing_F11_schedule	22:08
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themayor	im gonna give a brief go about my stuff and then follow up with people on theirs	22:09
themayor	the talking points are done	22:09
themayor	F11_Talking_Points	22:09
themayor	stickster: you looked over these, anyone have any feedback?	22:10
* moixs is looking at them right now		22:10
stickster	themayor: Did you fix the points I discussed with you Friday night?	22:11
moixs	The separation between different types of users is fine	22:11
themayor	stickster: yeah some of them i think, is there anything i missed?	22:11
* ianweller has read them and likes them		22:12
themayor	anyone else?	22:13
spevack	how much has actually changed since the Alpha version of them?	22:13
themayor	or are people reading	22:13
* spevack consults the page history		22:13
themayor	spevack: bits and pieces, i also added some stuff that i spoke to sticster about	22:13
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spevack	stickster: do you want to follow up with jack post-meeting about any additional comments, so we can lock this page down for beta?	22:15
stickster	spevack: Yeah, that sounds fine	22:15
stickster	I don't want to block the rest of the agenda	22:15
stickster	There's much to do!	22:15
stickster	Jack, let's get together later on	22:15
themayor	okay	22:15
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themayor	okay ian, any updates on the banners and stuff?	22:17
themayor	wanna tell everyone whats going on with them	22:17
ianweller	for the pbook?	22:17
ianweller	or something else	22:17
ianweller	i'll assume picture book since that's the only thing i actually own on that page	22:18
themayor	yeah	22:18
themayor	the banner	22:18
ianweller	banner has been imported into fedora-web.git and it's on the fp.o chrome	22:18
ianweller	it has about a 1/3 probability of showing up	22:18
stickster	ianweller: I saw that change go into git, awesome	22:18
ianweller	the other 2/3rds is f10 and f11 alpha. so we'll leave those ;)	22:18
themayor	havent seen one yet	22:18
ianweller	s/is/are/	22:18
stickster	ianweller: Yeah, *somebody* will want that stuff too, maybe	22:19
themayor	oooh i just saw	22:19
ianweller	themayor: :D	22:19
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ianweller	and picture book submissinos are now open.	22:19
ianweller	i haven't checked the pictures category yet	22:19
themayor	the three folders or envelope or whatever	22:19
ianweller	but mdomsch has asked us to take a look at a couple of photos	22:19
ianweller	they're on the talk page of that submitting page	22:19
themayor	awesome	22:20
themayor	so we are well on our way	22:20
ianweller	yup	22:20
themayor	please who ever hasnt blogged about it yet, please do so	22:20
ianweller	yeah	22:20
ianweller	flood the planet	22:20
themayor	i will do one tonight	22:21
ianweller	i'll also be lurking the upload log	22:21
ianweller	see if any get in without adding the right categories	22:21
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themayor	awesome	22:22
themayor	let jus know	22:22
ianweller	now we await as many pictures as possible	22:22
ianweller	brno will bring quite a few in	22:23
ianweller	also, we changed the submission policy slightly	22:23
themayor	okay so we have on the schedule update the user testimonials	22:23
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* ianweller will wait until pbook comes up again ;)		22:23
themayor	ianweller: ssorry go ahead, its good that it should be in the log	22:23
ianweller	oh. ok	22:23
ianweller	nicu and i were discussing the submission policy	22:23
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ianweller	ther'es now a route for uploading an image if you don't have a release form, and if we would really like to use the photo, we'll ask the photographer to get one	22:24
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moixs	(please refresh the schedule page, I made some changes)	22:24
ianweller	this would be used for photos taken before the release forms existed	22:24
ianweller	so that the photographer wouldn't have to get a form signed unless we were fairly certain that the photo was going in the book.	22:24
ianweller	that's all i changed since spevack's changes shortly after the meeting last week	22:25
themayor	okay great	22:25
ianweller	we could still use mockups	22:25
ianweller	:)	22:25
* ianweller hands the floor back to themayor		22:25
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* herlo is here		22:26
themayor	okay so one of the tasks is to update the usertestimonials	22:26
spevack	more specifically	22:26
spevack	to give the page a fresh outlook	22:26
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spevack	and either try to make it something current and maintainable	22:26
spevack	or to retire it completely and Archive: it	22:27
spevack	this came up last week	22:27
spevack	but there is no owner	22:27
moixs	As I said last week...too much work for too little right now. We are already lagging behind in this cycle and I don't see it as time well invested.	22:27
themayor	yeah	22:27
moixs	other opinions are welcome, but pick it up then :p	22:27
themayor	i was wondering if anyone was interested	22:28
* spevack agrees that it is a lower priority, but wonders why we haven't tried to get someone to pick it up on the mailing list		22:28
themayor	but if not we will move on	22:28
spevack	an email with a vision for what we want the page to be, asking for volunteers	22:28
moixs	I have a suggestion about this	22:28
spevack	go ahead	22:28
moixs	As I quickly told you last week, we are going to work on Fedora's positioning and marketing at school (confirmed today)	22:29
* spevack remembers		22:29
moixs	I can pick up this task there, and discuss what the purpose of this page should be	22:29
moixs	come up with ideas etc	22:30
moixs	This can already help to clarify what it should be, before searching an owner	22:30
themayor	moixs: do you want to do that one the list and see if anyone wants to help you with it	22:30
moixs	themayor: at the moment, I'd like to keep it silent, for the next 3 weeks or so.	22:31
themayor	okay so shall we move it down on the schedule	22:32
moixs	themayor: but I can temporary take ownership of it	22:32
themayor	okay so i am moving it into the next step	22:32
themayor	err, nect phase	22:32
themayor	and putting your name on it	22:32
moixs	done	22:32
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themayor	okay great	22:32
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moixs	themayor: I added a last point to the beta phase	22:33
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themayor	okay great	22:33
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themayor	next topic	22:33
themayor	the in depth feature focus	22:33
* spevack perks up		22:34
spevack	F11_in-depth_features	22:34
themayor	yes	22:34
spevack	sorry to interrupt, carry on :)	22:34
themayor	thanks max for putting them up	22:34
themayor	stickster has already started work on one of them	22:35
themayor	i should have a decent version of the kernel mode setting stuff tomorrow aftrenoon	22:35
stickster	PackageKit_in_Fedora_11	22:35
themayor	i was hoping to have it to day but kristian was too busy	22:35
* stickster put his interview on the wiki and hughsie will finish it when he's got time		22:35
themayor	okay so there are a few that are not picked up yet	22:36
themayor	volume control	22:36
themayor	and virt improved console	22:37
themayor	we should really be on top of these	22:37
stickster	themayor: I think what's needed is email to the list to explain to people what exactly we want them to do to pick up a featue.	22:37
stickster	*feature	22:37
spevack	was there any discussion of these on the list between last week and tonight?	22:37
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themayor	aside from the brief thing on friday based on what i sent out in the weekend thing no	22:38
themayor	you want me to send out something?	22:38
* spevack thought we talked about that on thursday		22:38
spevack	so... yeah	22:38
themayor	no we said i was going to work on mine	22:39
themayor	we didnt say send something to the list	22:39
themayor	at least not that i recall	22:39
themayor	sorry if im mistaken	22:39
spevack	well, let's get some list discussion	22:39
themayor	okay ill send that out after the meeting then	22:39
spevack	themayor: i think the idea was to get started on yours, and use that as a template to generate some discussion on the list and hopefully get other people to see "oh, I can do one too!"	22:39
spevack	kind of like what stickster did	22:39
themayor	yeah i asked kristian for some time	22:40
stickster	I'm not saying my page is perfect, but if you think mine works OK, it's up for using as a template.	22:40
stickster	In fact, if anyone has some ideas for how to improve mine, I would love to do so	22:40
themayor	its good its a start	22:40
spevack	ok, so we need an email to the list that shows the main f11 in-depth feature page, stickster's example page showing a work in progress that has just started, and asking for volunteers for the others	22:40
themayor	sure	22:41
themayor	and i will post my page tomorrow right after the readiness meeting	22:41
moixs	Be sure to explain the difference between the talking points and the in-depth pages in the e-mail. It's not obvious right now.	22:41
spevack	brilliant	22:41
spevack	moixs: that is true, as evidenced by the thread last week on the list, i think Rahul started it, and stickster and i chimed in	22:42
themayor	moixs: absolutely, weve spoke about it before but i will do so again	22:42
moixs	Are we done with the short-term task list?	22:43
themayor	one last quick thing	22:43
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* herlo suggests we put these pages into a category so we can all pick and choose from them in one central place		22:44
themayor	tomorrow, we are having the beta readiness meeting	22:44
themayor	herlo: the in depth features?	22:44
herlo	yes	22:44
herlo	themayor: it's simple, a category will help those who want to take one but don't know what's there to take.	22:44
stickster	herlo: That's funny, I was thinking the same thing	22:44
herlo	like me	22:44
herlo	:)	22:45
themayor	stickster: are you game for doing that or do you need some help?	22:45
stickster	herlo: Maybe I can move that page properly. Let me try.	22:45
herlo	well, it just needs a [Category:F11 In Depth Feature]] (or similar) tag at the bottom	22:45
themayor	yeah	22:45
themayor	and then each page needs one as is created	22:45
herlo	then everyone can go to /wiki/Category:F11_In_Depth_Feature and see the list	22:46
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herlo	themayor: yes, and if you make dummy pages with nothing on them, it's easy to find and create content for those who want to help	22:46
themayor	yup	22:47
* herlo missed most of last week's meeting, but wants to help. Where's the list of features to work through?		22:47
themayor	herlo: whats left is volume control	22:48
themayor	and virt improved console	22:48
herlo	oh	22:48
herlo	is there a list?	22:48
themayor	yes	22:48
spevack	F11_in-depth_features	22:48
herlo	I can go through and update the pages iwth the category on them really quick	22:48
themayor	F11_in-depth_features	22:48
themayor	thanks spevack	22:48
stickster	herlo: OK,done	22:48
stickster	https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Category:F11_in-depth_features	22:49
herlo	stickster: sweet!	22:49
* herlo also wants to point out that it seems like double effort to create a page with that info and have a category page, since category pages can have content too		22:50
herlo	I wonder if anyone would be opposed to moving the content from the F11_in-depth_features page to the F11_in-depth_features category page?	22:50
spevack	whatever works	22:50
herlo	well, it's already done this time, so I don't want to step on anyone's toes	22:50
stickster	herlo: Already eon	22:50
stickster	*done	22:51
* herlo double looks		22:51
herlo	so it is	22:51
* herlo missed that point before, even though he looked at it		22:51
herlo	okay, ignore me, I'll go and make those pages show up on the category page...	22:51
themayor	okay	22:52
themayor	so next	22:52
themayor	the beta readiness meeting is tomorrow	22:52
themayor	does anyone want me to bring up anything	22:53
moixs	not really on my side	22:53
themayor	this is going to be an opportunity to talk with art and docs also about anything we need to coordinate	22:54
themayor	thats really what i hope to get out of it	22:54
stickster	themayor: Exactly, it's not just "are we ready," but "are we missing anything that we need from some other team, or are they missing something from us"	22:54
themayor	yup	22:54
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stickster	OK, sounds like that's a big silence == "no"	22:56
themayor	yeah	22:57
themayor	alright	22:57
themayor	so other than that, lets talk about the picture book real quick, although we really got everything in	22:57
ianweller	PICTURE!	22:57
stickster	BOOK!	22:57
ianweller	,,,	22:58
ianweller	oh ok you got it	22:58
ianweller	umm i think i talked everything i needed to earlier in the meeting. any questions?	22:58
themayor	we also have things for next week, we should make sure people have their names by them	22:59
stickster	What's up for next week?	22:59
moixs	On the task list you mean? We are pretty much set.	23:00
* stickster looks at schedule		23:00
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moixs	On a quick note, I asked people who subscribed to the news dis. network to update Marketing_press_publications	23:00
moixs	i have to kick the germans, hindis and spanish. I'll do it tomorrow	23:00
moixs	For the other languages, the list is pretty good	23:01
moixs	eof	23:01
themayor	brief famsco on stuff	23:01
themayor	who here goes to the famsco meetings?	23:01
stickster	I think spevack is usually at them	23:01
themayor	max can you pick that up then?	23:02
themayor	i think he left	23:03
themayor	anyway	23:04
themayor	we are over time already	23:04
moixs	ok, let's call it a day then :)	23:04
themayor	lets call it a day, we have stuff to do for next week	23:05