QA/Meetings/20090318

Attendees

• Jesse Keating (f13)
• James Laska (jlaska)
• Adam Williamson (adamw)
• Will Woods (wwoods)
• Jóhann Guðmundsson (viking_ice)

Previous meeting follow-up

Follow-up from last meeting http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/fedora-qa/fedora-qa-20090311.log.html

• [jlaska&adamw] mediawiki semantic* packaging
  • mediawiki-semantic http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7968
  • mediawiki-semantic-forms package review bug#490171
  • next steps to setup & configure a test instance and incorporate live data
• [adamw] - intel test day was a success, we're hoping to have an intel follow up later before f11's release, to test fixes for the issues identified at the first event
• [jlaska] - DeviceKit test day was successful in identifying several key bugs, but the event did not have the level of participation we hoped for.

F-11-Beta - who/what/when/where/why?

• Useful links:
  • F-11 Schedule - Releases/11/Schedule
  • Where to record test results - QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results
  • Current list of open Beta blockers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=476774&hide_resolved=1
  • Beta release notes - Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes

• Beta is scheduled for availability 03/24, which means it needs to begin pushing to mirrors on 03/20 (Fri)
• A lot of concern around whether we have enough information to say that F-11-Beta is generally installable
  • f13 noted that if I don't get a golden tree in the form of tomorrow's rawhide, I think we slip.
  • f13 and jlaska expressed concern about the bugs that haven't yet been filed (due to blocker issues)

• jlaska asked what information do you need to make a slip vs no slip recommendation?
  • f13 replied a what works, vs what doesn't work, vs what hasn't been tested
  • adamw offered assistance from the BugZappers team (iarly) in reviewing the 42 NEW bugs to identify which issues should be noted on the F11Beta blocker bug list
  • jlaska will send out a request for installation test results focused around autopart using existing Linux, autopart using free space, autopart using entire disk, all of those + encryption

Upcoming QA events

• 2009-03-19 - XFCE Test Day
• 2009-03-26 - Nouveau Test Day

Open discussion

• viking_ice noted the new SysRq documentation page - QA/Sysrq
• viking_ice noted there is a enhancement request open in fedora-infrastructure (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1245) to create/host some type of RSS aggregator for Fedora announcements.
• viking_ice asked whether maintainers/developers should introduce themselves when replying on fedora-test-list@
  • adamw cautioned that this might be a difficult task (akin to herding cats)

Action items

• [jlaska+adamw] mediawiki semantic update (packaging and hosting)
• [adamw] schedule radeon test day
• [adamw] review OPEN installer bugs and escalate appropriate issues to F11Beta blocker list
• [jlaska] email fedora-test-list@ with call for testing of rawhide installs
  • will review test results at end of day Thursday for a slip decision
• [jlaska] build XFCE live images and request fedorapeople hosting from jeremy
• [jlaska] find Beta Release notes wiki page? (thanks to frields ... Fedora_11_Beta_release_notes)

Next QA meeting

No time was left to discuss a new time for next weeks meeting. We will continue with 17:00 UTC unless otherwise noted on fedora-test-list.

The next meeting will be held on 2009-03-25 17:00 UTC (1pm EDT).

IRC Transcript

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jlaska	| Let's wait a few for folks to adjust to the changed meeting time	Mar 18 12:01
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jlaska	| adamw: f13: wwoods (not expected today): viking_ice	Mar 18 12:02
viking_ice	| *	Mar 18 12:02
jlaska	| anyone I missed, please raise your hands :)	Mar 18 12:02
jlaska	| viking_ice: hello	Mar 18 12:03
* | f13		Mar 18 12:03
viking_ice	| greetings	Mar 18 12:03
jlaska	| f13: welcome	Mar 18 12:03
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* | jlaska waits another minute or so		Mar 18 12:04
adamw	| yo	Mar 18 12:06
jlaska	| heyo!	Mar 18 12:06
adamw	| sorry, i am involved in a vigorous and enthusiastic discussion in -devel	Mar 18 12:06
adamw	| ;)	Mar 18 12:06
jlaska	| okay, I think we have critical mass	Mar 18 12:06
jlaska	| no worries :)	Mar 18 12:06
jlaska	| my goal is to keep this under 1 hour today ... so let's git'er done	Mar 18 12:07
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jlaska	| the best I can discern from last weeks minutes is the semantic open it	Mar 18 12:07
jlaska	| em	Mar 18 12:07
jlaska	| [jlaska&adamw] mediawiki semantic* packaging	Mar 18 12:07
* | wwoods kinda here but will be leaving in a bit		Mar 18 12:07
jlaska	| wwoods: welcome!	Mar 18 12:08
jlaska	| made some good progress on the packaging, I decided not to bug adamw with that just yet since things were going fairly well	Mar 18 12:08
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jlaska	| one package reviewed and build ... another inprogress	Mar 18 12:08
jlaska	| * mediawiki-semantic http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=7968	Mar 18 12:08
jlaska	| * mediawiki-semantic-forms package review bug#490171	Mar 18 12:08
buggbot	| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=490171 medium, medium, ---, nobody, NEW, Review Request: mediawiki-semantic-forms - An extension to MediaWiki that adds support for web-based forms	Mar 18 12:08
adamw	| yes, I have been dynamically and enthusiastically leaving it to jlaska	Mar 18 12:08
adamw	| and expect full credit for this work =)	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| stickster and tibbs|h - thanks for guidance on the licensing for mediawiki-semantic-forms	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| adamw: hey, blame goes with the credit! :D	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| as far as next steps ...	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| * next steps to setup & configure a test instance and incorporate live data	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| I sent a request out ot fedora-infrastructure to see if I could get a dump of live wiki data for testing these extensions	Mar 18 12:09
jlaska	| this is definitely an area I could use assistance on	Mar 18 12:10
jlaska	| it's not hard to set this thing up at all ... just going to be important on how we document best practices etc...	Mar 18 12:10
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jlaska	| if anyone is interested in helping setup and play with mediawiki + semantic ... just let me know, I could use some extra eyes here	Mar 18 12:11
jlaska	| that's all I coudl pick out from last week's action items ... what did I miss?	Mar 18 12:11
adamw	| as i mentioned to you privately - poke fcami, as he requested it in the first place :)	Mar 18 12:12
adamw	| i'd like to play with it for test day results, but for that it needs to be up publicly somewhere really	Mar 18 12:12
jlaska	| indeed ... I'd like us to get really familiar with how to use this thing	Mar 18 12:12
jlaska	| once it's packaged, I can ask infrastructure for hosting and we can start playing around in a demo instance	Mar 18 12:13
adamw	| sure, i can come on board with playing about at that point.	Mar 18 12:13
jlaska	| great, that will be a big help	Mar 18 12:13
jlaska	| the guidance we have from the laptop.org folks is make sure we outline some best practices/policy before we unleash this	Mar 18 12:14
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jlaska	| ACTION: let's do another check-in next week on packaging, and hopefully status on a hosted demo site	Mar 18 12:14
jlaska	| any other topics from last week folks would like to raise status on?	Mar 18 12:14
adamw	| er, let me take a look at the summary for a sec	Mar 18 12:15
jlaska	| ... sure	Mar 18 12:15
adamw	| graphics test days - intel was held and successful	Mar 18 12:15
adamw	| still haven't organized radeon yet	Mar 18 12:15
adamw	| i'll send out a poke to the devs on that	Mar 18 12:15
adamw	| we're hoping to have an intel follow up later before f11's release, to test fixes for the issues identified at the first event	Mar 18 12:16
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jlaska	| ACTION: schedule radeon test day [adamw]	Mar 18 12:16
jlaska	| ^---- for my grepping sanity	Mar 18 12:16
jlaska	| adamw: nice job on the intel test day ... seems like you were very busy	Mar 18 12:17
jlaska	| lots of results (QA/Test_Days/2009-03-12) and data still coming in on the mailing list	Mar 18 12:17
jlaska	| yesterday was also the DeviceKit test day (QA/Test_Days/2009-03-17)	Mar 18 12:18
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jlaska	| we didn't get quite the turn out that Intel testing gathered	Mar 18 12:18
jlaska	| while a lot of the code for the DeviceKit feature is complete ... there are still interaction and UI quirks to iron out	Mar 18 12:19
jlaska	| so if folks have the time ... Live USB key + DeviceKit testing ( is the way to go	Mar 18 12:20
jlaska	| any other topics from last week?	Mar 18 12:20
jlaska	| okay ... on to F-11-Beta ...	Mar 18 12:21
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jlaska	| wwoods provided a bullet list of discussion points ... which I'll summarize as the who/what/when/where/why's of the F-11-Beta	Mar 18 12:22
jlaska	| > F-11 Schedule Releases/11/Schedule	Mar 18 12:22
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jlaska	| f13: do you have any updates from release engineering with respect to the Beta?	Mar 18 12:23
f13	| nothing good to say.	Mar 18 12:23
f13	| anaconda still not ready.	Mar 18 12:23
adamw	| refer to the recent vigorous and enthusiastic discussion in -devel :)	Mar 18 12:23
jlaska	| from a schedule perspective, do you anticipate any changes there?	Mar 18 12:24
f13	| if I don't get a golden tree in the form of tomorrow's rawhide, I think we slip.	Mar 18 12:24
f13	| as it is we're damn close to the wire.	Mar 18 12:24
jlaska	| indeed ... Beta is scheduled to hit the mirrors on 03/24 ?	Mar 18 12:25
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f13	| no, that's when its supposed to GA	Mar 18 12:26
f13	| to hit that date, we have to be available to mirrors the 20th or the 21st	Mar 18 12:26
jlaska	| so a few days prior for the mirrors?	Mar 18 12:26
jlaska	| so we have < 2 days to compose then test a beta candidate?	Mar 18 12:26
f13	| that is correct sir.	Mar 18 12:27
jlaska	| the current F11Beta blocker list isn't too bad ... but I think it's the what's lurking behind door#2 that concerns you?	Mar 18 12:27
f13	| once again we're to the point of "either the one we finally get to make is right, or we slip"	Mar 18 12:27
jlaska	| F11Beta blockers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=476774&hide_resolved=1	Mar 18 12:27
f13	| jlaska: I think a /lot/ of the storage bugs just aren't filed and/or listed in F11Beta	Mar 18 12:28
jlaska	| what information do you need to make a slip vs no slip recommendation?	Mar 18 12:28
f13	| a real good idea of what storage bugs exist	Mar 18 12:28
f13	| a what works, vs what doesn't work, vs what hasn't been tested	Mar 18 12:29
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jlaska	| so that leads us to the test results wiki page created by wwoods QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results	Mar 18 12:29
f13	| I'm making some pre-beta candidate images right now in phx that has today's rawhide + newer anaconda and python-pyblock	Mar 18 12:29
f13	| jlaska: well the installer guys know some of this, but they aren't sharing with bugzilla.	Mar 18 12:30
adamw	| so basically you need us/bugzappers to be looking through anaconda storage bugs and trying to get appropriate ones on the blocker list?	Mar 18 12:30
jlaska	| adamw: is that possible? I'd be curious what total number of untriaged isntallation bugs we have post F11-Alpha	Mar 18 12:31
f13	| adamw: yes, but again I think a lot of the known issues just aren't filed as bugs	Mar 18 12:31
jlaska	| I suspect we had a few test blockers that prevent us from hitting more interesting installer bugs	Mar 18 12:31
adamw	| jlaska: i'll see if anyone in Bugzappers would be willing to look at that	Mar 18 12:31
adamw	| jlaska: i can give you a number on untriaged installation bugs, btw, give me a few seconds	Mar 18 12:31
jlaska	| adamw: thank you	Mar 18 12:32
f13	| and part of that problem has been new bugs introduced with changes to fix old bugs preventing further install testing.	Mar 18 12:32
adamw	| jlaska: what date did alpha come out, off the top of your head?	Mar 18 12:32
jlaska	| around 2009-02-01	Mar 18 12:32
jlaska	| timestamp = 1233543911.73	Mar 18 12:32
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jlaska	| f13: are we at the point where we have enough confidence that we can reach out for beta install testers to help flesh out QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results	Mar 18 12:33
adamw	| ok - there are 42 bugs in NEW status filed on any anaconda component in rawhide since 2009-02-01	Mar 18 12:33
adamw	| this is the list:	Mar 18 12:33
adamw	| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&classification=Fedora&product=Fedora&component=anaconda&component=anaconda-help&component=anaconda-images&component=anaconda-yum-plugins&version=rawhide&bug_status=NEW&chfieldfrom=2009-02-01&chfieldto=Now&chfield=[Bug%20creation]	Mar 18 12:33
buggbot	| <http://tinyurl.com/dgtlnk> (at bugzilla.redhat.com)	Mar 18 12:33
f13	| jlaska: yes, although we may have to feed them updates.img files	Mar 18 12:34
adamw	| NEW status means it's untriaged (and unlikely to have been touched by bugzappers or maintainers)	Mar 18 12:34
f13	| jlaska: we should have had them banging away at the results page from the day of freeze	Mar 18 12:34
jlaska	| f13: certainly earlier the better ... not sure how much progress we would have made given some key test blockers on storage	Mar 18 12:35
adamw	| f13: so it would be useful to you for qa/bugzappers to go through that list and get appropriate ones onto the blocker list? if so i'll try and get that done.	Mar 18 12:35
f13	| jlaska: we would have at least known where the bugs were and had them recorded in bugzilla.	Mar 18 12:35
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jlaska	| f13: possibly ... but that's what test blockers are ... we don't konw what lurks behind them	Mar 18 12:35
f13	| adamw: sure, it'll give us something to review for block/noblock.	Mar 18 12:35
f13	| jlaska: at this point, we don't even know what the test blockers /are/	Mar 18 12:35
jlaska	| f13: but I agree knowing more at this point would arm us well for a beta recommendation	Mar 18 12:35
jlaska	| okay, I'll take an action item to put out a request for testing assistance	Mar 18 12:36
jlaska	| ACTION: [jlaska] email f-t-list with request for pre-beta test feedback in QA:Fedora_11_Beta_Install_Test_Results	Mar 18 12:37
f13	| and a note somewhere that this page needs to be available at or before the freeze and we need to start getting results recorded at or before the freeze.	Mar 18 12:37
jlaska	| f13: can you get me a link or info on the updates.img (or if you can post directly to that wiki page)?	Mar 18 12:37
f13	| I don't know if there is one being passed around yet today	Mar 18 12:37
jlaska	| f13: ah okay, I may have misunderstood a previous comment	Mar 18 12:38
jlaska	| I'm not aware of one for today either	Mar 18 12:38
f13	| well, I saw mention of some but I think that's for further develoipment on storage branch not necessarily fixing critical beta bugs.	Mar 18 12:38
jlaska	| we still have an open issue that I don't think we have sufficient time to fill out the matrix	Mar 18 12:39
jlaska	| so as is usually the case, we may need ot make a decision with what info we have available	Mar 18 12:39
jlaska	| f13: if there are some high-level use cases related to installation that would give you a better sense for this release, we might choose to narrow the request for testing around those areas?	Mar 18 12:40
jlaska	| which reminds me ... anyone have the link for the Beta release notes so we can begin to drop content there?	Mar 18 12:40
f13	| I don't know off hand, what is our "critical" path for beta?	Mar 18 12:40
f13	| autopart using existing Linux, autopart using free space, autopart using entire disk, all of those + encryption	Mar 18 12:41
f13	| various levels of custom partitioning	Mar 18 12:41
f13	| clearing off existing LVM sets	Mar 18 12:41
jlaska	| everything from the part type screen was my initial focus for the storage test day	Mar 18 12:41
jlaska	| yeah you're list above is what I had in mind as well	Mar 18 12:42
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jlaska	| f13: okay, I'll see if we need to adjust the test results wiki accordingly and request focus on those areas	Mar 18 12:42
jlaska	| when should we review the results ... Friday?	Mar 18 12:42
f13	| that's too late	Mar 18 12:43
f13	| either thursday's rawhide (that's tomorrow) is good enough for beta, or we slip.	Mar 18 12:43
jlaska	| so end of day tomorrow?	Mar 18 12:43
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f13	| jlaska: end of day, or first critical breakage, whichever comes first	Mar 18 12:44
jlaska	| sounds good ... we'll be in touch :D	Mar 18 12:44
jlaska	| okay ... any other comments on the Beta ?	Mar 18 12:44
jlaska	| adamw: do you think we can have the OPEN issues scrubbed in time for tomorrow by end of day?	Mar 18 12:45
jlaska	| OPEN == (NEW anaconda bugs)	Mar 18 12:45
f13	| wait a sec, is this meeting an hour early today?	Mar 18 12:45
jlaska	| yes	Mar 18 12:46
f13	| ok, no wonder my alarm didn't go off	Mar 18 12:46
jlaska	| f13: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-March/msg00965.html	Mar 18 12:46
f13	| I haven't gotten to email yet	Mar 18 12:46
jlaska	| no worries	Mar 18 12:46
adamw	| jlaska: i've sent requests to the irc chan and mailing list	Mar 18 12:46
jlaska	| adamw: thanks ... we'll see where we are tomorrow then	Mar 18 12:46
adamw	| jlaska: iarly is going to help out now, i will try and do some myself later too	Mar 18 12:46
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jlaska	| My google fu is failing to find a Beta release notes wiki page ... anyone know if that exists yet?	Mar 18 12:47
jlaska	| Releases/11/Beta/ReleaseNotes is empty	Mar 18 12:47
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jlaska	| ... I'll find out an include in the minutes	Mar 18 12:47
jlaska	| ... okay rounding 3rd base </bad_sports_analogy> ...	Mar 18 12:48
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jlaska	| adamw has 2 test days upcoming ...	Mar 18 12:48
jlaska	| tomorrow > XFCE Test Day QA/Test_Days/2009-03-19	Mar 18 12:48
adamw	| xfce is pretty much planned except i need to finish off the test cases. i'll get that done today	Mar 18 12:49
jlaska	| and the following thursday > Nouveau Test Day QA/Test_Days/2009-03-26	Mar 18 12:49
adamw	| should've been promoted yesterday but i didn't have time, la la.	Mar 18 12:49
* | nirik was finally able to make xfce live isos and test last night. Hurray.		Mar 18 12:49
jlaska	| adamw: you've got the mic ...	Mar 18 12:49
adamw	| nirik: ooh. could if we could have those available for the test day it'd be awesome	Mar 18 12:49
nirik	| yeah, I can see about uploading somewhere.	Mar 18 12:49
viking_ice	| spins ready for test day?	Mar 18 12:50
adamw	| nouveau is mostly ready too, still need to have the rendercheck packaging done (i'll bug ben about that), but we could go ahead without it. a live CD would be really great for that also.	Mar 18 12:50
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jlaska	| adamw: we can do the livecd for nouveau, I can build images and request hosting from jeremy (who has more quota)	Mar 18 12:50
viking_ice	| rule of thumb hw test == we need to hva livecd	Mar 18 12:50
viking_ice	| ready	Mar 18 12:50
jlaska	| viking_ice: agreed, the live images have been *very* handy for those test days	Mar 18 12:50
adamw	| nirik: jeremy has gigantic quota, we've just been sticking live CDs in his space for now. we could remove older ones after a while and update the link on the test day pages to point to the nwer ones.	Mar 18 12:51
viking_ice	| there were atleast 2 on the intel test day	Mar 18 12:51
viking_ice	| that needed live ( willing to test not willing to break box )	Mar 18 12:51
nirik	| adamw: cool. If someone could make some and stick them up there that would be great.	Mar 18 12:51
jlaska	| nirik: you need someone to build the images for XFCE?	Mar 18 12:52
nirik	| I did make some minor ks changes last night. Requested them for the beta... so if you could, spin them from git head	Mar 18 12:52
nirik	| jlaska: well, I can build them here, but not sure how long upload will take. ;) If someone is closer net wise and has good upload that might be faster.	Mar 18 12:52
f13	| I need to drop off so that I can get ready for my next meeting.	Mar 18 12:53
adamw	| jlaska: if you could help me out there it'd be awesome, i still haven't got used to the generator and i'm looking to have a busy rest of today with the xfce test cases and installer triaging stuff. plus i've got a haircut this afternoon :)	Mar 18 12:53
jlaska	| nirik: if you can send me which spin-kickstarts/ file are you using I can ask if jeremy can post them for us?	Mar 18 12:53
jlaska	| f13: roger, see you soon	Mar 18 12:53
jlaska	| adamw: you do need a haircut!	Mar 18 12:53
jlaska	| :)	Mar 18 12:53
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adamw	| jlaska: hmm, when you saw me i'd had one quite recently :P	Mar 18 12:53
jlaska	| jk ;)	Mar 18 12:53
nirik	| jlaska: sure, basically the xfce one from git head of spins-kickstarts.	Mar 18 12:54
jlaska	| okay	Mar 18 12:54
jlaska	| I'll talk to jeremy and se if we can have something posted for tomorrow	Mar 18 12:54
jlaska	| unless anyone else wants to grab that one?	Mar 18 12:54
nirik	| http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob;f=fedora-livecd-xfce.ks;h=b97e245b94843596c1026d265a181e30e0dfe784;hb=9ec863778654f5462ab33300181ec1a9348d58ef	Mar 18 12:54
nirik	| man, thats ugly.	Mar 18 12:54
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jlaska	| nirik: no worries, I have the link	Mar 18 12:54
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jlaska	| okay folks ... I need to cut out shortly, and we're approaching out 1hr limit	Mar 18 12:55
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jlaska	| are there any topics folks would like to discuss before we close out?	Mar 18 12:56
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nirik	| just FYI, I should be around for Xfce tomorrow, but I am on MDT, so will not be in until 9am (11am EDT).	Mar 18 12:57
jlaska	| nirik: okay, thanks for update	Mar 18 12:57
viking_ice	| wp instance for announcements stuck in infrastructure	Mar 18 12:58
jlaska	| viking_ice: do you have a link to the ticket?	Mar 18 12:58
viking_ice	| 12456	Mar 18 12:59
viking_ice	| 1245	Mar 18 12:59
viking_ice	| it's 1245	Mar 18 12:59
viking_ice	| perhaps maintainers/developers should introduce them self as such when reply on the test list	Mar 18 12:59
jlaska	| https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1245	Mar 18 13:00
viking_ice	| yup	Mar 18 13:00
adamw	| viking_ice: that'd be nice but probably unlikely to be possible :\ trying to get maintainers to do anything like that is like herding cats...	Mar 18 13:00
viking_ice	| sandeen: has been getting hard time getting testers to do what they need to do for him to diagnose the problem	Mar 18 13:01
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viking_ice	| Well hey smug me maintain you do this ok and file a report with output	Mar 18 13:01
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jlaska	| viking_ice: hrmm, interesting idea ... I'm going to put this down as a discussion point	Mar 18 13:02
viking_ice	| well a whole sysrq wiki page got written	Mar 18 13:02
jlaska	| yeah that was good stuff!	Mar 18 13:02
viking_ice	| jlaska: there is also an rfe that wont get work on until the webpage is setup	Mar 18 13:02
viking_ice	| for a notifier-applet in gnome	Mar 18 13:03
jlaska	| viking_ice: can you post the link for the minutes?	Mar 18 13:03
viking_ice	| which link ?	Mar 18 13:03
jlaska	| SysRq	Mar 18 13:03
jlaska	| I've got to drop off folks, thanks for the meeting	Mar 18 13:03
jlaska	| minutes to follow on the list, let's continue discussion in #fedora-qa and on fedora-test-list@redhat.com	Mar 18 13:03
viking_ice	| http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Sysrq	Mar 18 13:04
jlaska	| viking_ice: thanks!	Mar 18 13:04
viking_ice	| well christo moved it there	Mar 18 13:04
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