Workstation/AtomicWorkstation/SIG/Notes

Notes from the meeting on April 30, 2018

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-04-30/faw_sig.2018-04-30-13.00.html

People present (lines said)

* mclasen (60) 
* dustymabe (17)
* jlebon (11)
* miabbott (8)
* zodbot (6)
* jsmith (1)

Meeting summary

* Roll call (mclasen, 13:01:08)
* Make Atomic Workstation available on getfedora.org https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/13 (mclasen, 13:07:43)
       ACTION: Matthias will close the ticket when FAW appears on getfedora.org (mclasen, 13:09:56)

* rebrand atomic workstation https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/19 (mclasen, 13:11:08)
       https://github.com/teamsilverblue/ (mclasen, 13:16:39)
       https://twitter.com/teamsilverblue (mclasen, 13:16:57)
       http://www.teamsilverblue.org/ (mclasen, 13:17:12)
       Sanja and Matthias will take this to the Fedora Council, as the next step (mclasen, 13:21:28)

 * Open floor (mclasen, 13:40:40)
       Matthias will not be around for the next meeting in 2 weeks (mclasen, 13:47:14)

Notes from the meeting on April 16, 2018

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-04-16/atomic_workstation_sig.2018-04-16-13.05.html

People present (lines said)

*  san101 (91)
* mclasen (66)
*  misc (43)
* miabbott (26)
* kalev (26)
* bexelbie (14)
* zodbot (12)
* otaylor (10)
* dustymabe (3)
* cverna (1)
* jlebon (1)

Meeting summary

* gnome-software status update (mclasen, 13:09:31)
    * some faw test day feedback in http://testdays.fedorainfracloud.org/events/39 (miabbott, 13:15:14)

* Naming (mclasen, 13:20:08)
   * https://www.esker.com/company/press-releases/eskers-cloud-based-document-process-automation-solutions-shortlisted-2017/ (san101, 13:55:34)
   * Esker was too good to be true - copyrighted (mclasen, 14:05:31)

Notes from the call on April 2, 2018

(No meetbot for this meeting)

People present

• sanja1
• mclasen
• walters
• ashcrow
• otaylor
• dustymaybe

Meeting summary

• Including container tools

 * walters started a discussion on the list last week
 * some discussion around fah - faw - workstation deltas
   * No formal conclusions, but we generally agreed that:
   * Good to provide the same solutions for tasks/use cases between FAW and FAW
   * Ok to include more tools in FAW than the minimalistic FAH
   * Good to include container tools in Workstation as well, minimizing delta

• some discussion around providing predefined container images for developer use cases

  * walters suggests that the use cases might be more cli vs service rather than language-specific
  * General agreement that first steps are:
     * Better docs around container workflows
     * Better tools support for container workflows

• this led to a follow-on discussion about projectatomic docs

  * walters suggests to 'move docs to fedora'
  * sanja1 points out that Fedora docs don't show up in search results
  * sanja1 and mclasen prefer to keep control over publishing and format

• mclasen points out that he filed issues with for FAW readiness tasks (after a discussion with walters)
• quick status update on some issues

  * polkit dialogs solved for rawhide, MR filed for F28
  * kalev should have something to show for rpm-ostree support in GNOME software this week
  * we may have OCI support in the Fedora staging registry

Notes from the call on March 19, 2018

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-2/2018-03-19/atomic_workstation_sig.2018-03-19-14.02.html

People present (lines said)

• mclasen (84)
• otaylor (23)
• kalev (19)
• dustymabe (17)
• aday (16)

Meeting summary

• meeting time (mclasen, 14:05:00)

 * AGREED: make the meeting time follow us/eastern  (mclasen, 14:10:23)
 * ACTION: announce the meeting time 'change' on the list  (mclasen,
   14:10:37)

• https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/4 (mclasen,

 14:11:53)
 * LINK: https://openqa.fedoraproject.org/tests/206895   (otaylor,
   14:12:37)
 * ACTION: mclasen to follow up with adamw on faw iso rename  (mclasen,
   14:14:11)
 * link to last night's FAW dvd:
   https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/compose/rawhide/Fedora-Rawhide-20180319.n.0/compose/AtomicWorkstation/x86_64/iso/
   (dustymabe, 14:14:40)

• https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/3 (mclasen,

 14:18:47)
 * ACTION: kalev will try a fresh install with a current faw iso
   (mclasen, 14:23:03)
 * aday and jimmac will do a design review of boot options, and will
   look at the 'unclear grub menu' issue  (mclasen, 14:24:45)

• https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/2 (mclasen,

 14:25:57)
 * ACTION: mclasen will create a fedora-release PR for f28  (mclasen,
   14:28:25)

• https://pagure.io/fedora-atomic-workstation/issue/1 (mclasen,

 14:29:02)
 * kalev is working on rpm-ostree support in g-s now  (mclasen,
   14:35:45)
 * offline update mode is not used here, it is just a plain reboot
   (mclasen, 14:36:04)

• open floor (mclasen, 14:38:01)

 * FAW is now in osinfo-db  (mclasen, 14:41:20)

Meeting ended at 14:47:00 UTC.

Action Items

• announce the meeting time 'change' on the list
• mclasen to follow up with adamw on faw iso rename
• kalev will try a fresh install with a current faw iso
• mclasen will create a fedora-release PR for f28

Notes from the call on March 5, 2018

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fedora_atomic_workstation/fedora_atomic_workstation.2018-03-05-14.04.log.html

Participants (lines said)

• walters (33)
• otaylor (30)
• kalev (10)
• jlebon (10)
• sanja (8)
• dustymabe (5)
• miabbott (4)
• lorbus (3)

Meeting Summary

• F28 release goals for Fedora Atomic Workstation (otaylor, 14:07:17)
• Package set composition (otaylor, 14:14:05) https://pagure.io/workstation-ostree-config/pull-requests?status=0
• ACTION: walters to start a thread on desktop@ about these PRs

Action Items

• walters to start a thread on desktop@ about these PRs

Notes from the call on Feb 19, 2018

Agenda: Workstation/AtomicWorkstation/SIG/Agenda

Participants:

• Sanja Bonic
• Owen Taylor
• Matthias Clasen
• Jeff Ligon
• Jonathan Lebon
• Suraj Narwade
• Micah Abbott
• Steve Milner
• Kalev Lember
• Allan Day

Topic: Meeting time and venue

• Decision: Future meetings will be on irc, same time, bi-weekly. Well aim for 45 minutes since some of us have another meeting at 9:45
• No recording, we'll take notes

Topic: Fedora 28 goals

• The big feature in Fedora 28 will be rpm-ostree support in GNOME software
• We'll also have proper website for FAW (as part of the Project Atomic website)
• Future topic: release planning:
  • how do we go from alpha to beta to final ?
  • make sure we have a FAW release at GA time, not delayed
  • how frequently do we want composes ?
  • is there any form of gating for the images ?

In discussion around update frequency, Kalev points out that it would be good to synch the OSTree updates with package repo metadata updates. See this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/MFXURKYAIMHU27JR36GENXLCKL2QML6R/

The experimental jigdo transport for rpm-ostree also came up in this discussion as a possible solution for 'split package version' situations. This is not aimed at F28 though, more likely F30.

Topic: Status of composes

• Is there a person responsible for FAW composes in rel-eng ? Not particularly :-(
• This page tracks it somewhat: https://www.happyassassin.net/nightlies.html - Workstation dvd-ostree on that page is the FAW installer image
• Rawhide composes have not been working for quite some time, recently fixed: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issue/409
• F27 composes have been happening though

In discussion of composes, the question of the two branches (f27 and updates) came up. The branches work slightly differently from the package repos of the same name: the f27 package repo is frozen in time, while the f27 branch in OSTree still moves forward, just at a more granular pace than updates (at least in theory, we were not exactly clear if any gating happens for this currently).

Future topic that came up here: How do we determine the package set ? Do we differentiate more from FAH or move closer to the regular workstation ? Installing default apps as flatpaks helps for this.

Topic: Status of Flatpaks from rpms in Fedora

• Everything is lined up
• New person on the rel-eng side is starting
• Still a few weeks away from seeing the first flatpak produced in this way

Topic: Website

• Currently here: http://new.projectatomic.io
• Will have a section on FAW
• Will replace www.projectatomic.io soon

Topic: Issue tracking

• Currently, we have a very non-obvious pagure project for it
• Owen suggests that we create an empty project for it. Atomic wg does that: https://pagure.io/atomic-wg/issues
• Decision: we will do the same