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#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>IRClog-fedora-docs-2007-07-31.log</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.5 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.5 - 2007-01-22" /> </head> <body> <h1>IRClog-fedora-docs-2007-07-31.log</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><meeting></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings#Agenda</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">JohnBabich</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:01" class="time">09:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">BobJensen</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:02" class="time">09:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:04"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">News on item 1?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:04" class="time">09:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Did I get disconnected?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- gomix [n=gomix@201.208.186.50] has left #fedora-docs [] </td><td><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:06"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">EvilBob: You're still on the air, but I don't know about quaid...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:06" class="time">09:06</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">uh, huh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">work day :/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:07"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid had to order a Subversion dump in moving a project around, timely crap</td><td><a href="#t09:07" class="time">09:07</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, so, with just a few of us, we can read some stuff into the record and move aong</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">proposed workflow -- previously ratified, at least consensus by silence, and it looked pretty good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:08"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: you got your suggestions in on that, right? yes, iirc</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:08" class="time">09:08</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">quaid: I like it...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">k</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">next, digging up a link to vpv's latest status update</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:09"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/30/weekly-report-week-30/">http://vpv.kapsi.fi/blog/2007/07/30/weekly-report-week-30/</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:09" class="time">09:09</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:10"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Tehnik [n=tehnik@91.192.112.237] has left #fedora-docs ["Segmentation fault"] </td><td><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">I'm here if you need to ask anything</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I have no questions at this time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:10"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">don't think so ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:10" class="time">09:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: it's looking good to me; I see where you got caught by some stuff, but the extra work seems to have produced good results</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: mainly for you is, when do you think you want to unleash a test on f-docs-l for people to try to break? :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:11" class="time">09:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or, rather, go ahead and unleash it for testing when you are ready, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: I wish I knew... I'm testing it locally right now, I'd say hopefully at the end of the week</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:12" class="time">09:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">but the thing is, the import script has to be run from the console, so it's not that simple to do a "public test"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">but of course the wiki itself can be (and already is, actually) public</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:13" class="time">09:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, it's going to depend on what really needs testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">is the import script something that gets run e.g. a few times a devel/release cycle?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">then there's the thing that importing a complete repository takes something like 2 hours right now...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:14" class="time">09:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:15"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">quaid: for the whole repo, yes, and then updates once in a while</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:15"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- hers [n=chatzill@222.248.202.77] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.5/0000000000] " </td><td><a href="#t09:15" class="time">09:15</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: well, as long as it doesn't need to be implemented so writers/editors need to do it regularly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Tehnik [n=tehnik@91.192.112.237] has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we can have Infrastructure have an SOP (standard op procedure) for it, and we just remember to request via ticket.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:16" class="time">09:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">vpv: ok, just let us know anyway we can test, either as a public test or a smaller group</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">Ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if there isn't anything else, I'll move us along ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:17"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> vpv</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">not from me...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:17" class="time">09:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">oops, we missed opening DSCo nominations by 11 days :(</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">oops</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">... and we're such a good advertisement for a body to join!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I have a free form discussion topic to insert here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and can probably take it to the list ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:18" class="time">09:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">it's come up lately about too much bureaucracy in Fedora, and I also see how successful e.g.F-Infra is without a steering committee, although they have the new sponsorship (merit -based) model</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">go on...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:19" class="time">09:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">otoh, I think having recognized leaders helps, just as I think having some way to show merit-gained (or to gain merit)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so I'm wondering if this project still needs a steering committee?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">or at least one that runs this way?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I think we do</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:20"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">what do we gain by it? what would be lose?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:20" class="time">09:20</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">but we need to stress keeping people accountable for what they hope to do, I know in the past I have fallen way short of my personal goals</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:21" class="time">09:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Also, the steering committee has what some people refer to as a "corporate memory"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">My hate of the wiki has been partially to blame</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">wiki-hating is evil...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:22"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">at the same time not learning the other tools has also hindered me</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:22" class="time">09:22</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:23"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">xml-avoidance is also evil - I'm guilty of that as well...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:23" class="time">09:23</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I think as committee members we need to get our goals out in the public eye so we are accountable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but all of these things are true without having a structure around it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:24"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we are on the committee to be examples and mentors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:24" class="time">09:24</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">maybe the one that thing that a formal committee provides is that visibility to new contributors</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I think that we should keep the committee for at least 1 year and look at its need before the F9 election</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">f-infra as the skillz to form like Voltron, which we lack</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:25"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, just something to discuss ongoing, I guess, no need to derail currency</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:25" class="time">09:25</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">should we just bump the schedule up for the elections with tomorrow as the opening of nominations?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">+1 to the bump</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:26"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> Tehnik</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">A plane with a load of flights recorders have crashed in Columbia. According to expersts, it will take a thousand years to determine the reason of the accident</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:26" class="time">09:26</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:27"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Who is up for re-election?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:27" class="time">09:27</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:28"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hmm, i forget :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:28" class="time">09:28</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Bart, Powel and John?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">before I foolishly do all this, do either of you have the time to kick elections in gear?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Pawel</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">bump the schedule, figure out which seats are open, tap the right Wiki pages, send announcements ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:29" class="time">09:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- JonRob [n=jon@88-111-210-154.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has quit ["Download Gaim: <a href="http://gaim.sourceforge.net/">http://gaim.sourceforge.net/</a>"] </td><td><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">What lists do we send the announcement to?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Just ours?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, just ours</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I can handle that, I have time in the morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, cool</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:30" class="time">09:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* EvilBob makes a note</td><td><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">just bump the schedule up a few weeks, and make sure the election itself has two weekends for voting</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">Thanks, Bob</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(the last message sent to the ist was 03 July, iirc)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, thx</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:31"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid is busier than a dual amputee at a pancake flipping contest</td><td><a href="#t09:31" class="time">09:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">BTW did we kill the fdsco list yet?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">as dead as we can, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:32"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Good</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:32" class="time">09:32</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Next item?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:33" class="time">09:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Guide updates</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">*ugh* </td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sorry, i mean ..uh ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm seriously distracted by work - what with a new project and vacations</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:34" class="time">09:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, the thing is ...</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">No updates, are there guides we need to poke?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">if we are continuing to rely upon only this group to update guides</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we are in trouble</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">+1</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and we cannot seem to get anyone else interested</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and I don't get why</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I agree</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">maybe some hand holding is needed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I mean, why bother to introduce yourself and get an account and stuff if you aren't going to pick -anything_</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:35"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">mentoring if you will</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:35" class="time">09:35</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">sure</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but someone needs to *ask* for it :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">No we need to offer it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: all the guides need updates for F7, and we're about to go into F8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">EvilBob: I thought we have</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">I'm willing in a few days to go into a trance and have a personal "hack day"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser: but how do we get others to try something like that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:36"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, then</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:36" class="time">09:36</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">that falls in line with the vFUDcon item</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one action is to make a big stink about how much mentoring and hand holding there is available, come n gettit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">exactly!</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:37"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- Tehnik [n=tehnik@91.192.112.237] has left #fedora-docs ["Segmentation fault"] </td><td><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Personal goal of mine is to get some XML foo going</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:37" class="time">09:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">and to help spread that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">can we move from the guides item for now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">OK release notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:38" class="time">09:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I am goign to work to flush the beats tonight late an in the morning</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">so we can get moving on the stuff for F8</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">are we going to do what we did last time?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:39" class="time">09:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">one-sheet for test1, test2, and first beta notes are test3?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I would like to try and be the EIC I should have been in the past but I have found the notes are a huge job and I get bogged down</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:40" class="time">09:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">SO I am going to try to do as much work as I con</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">quaid: Yes I think that is the best plan</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">The very first release notes for test1 went very well with an IRC group session</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">there should be some help in the new Features process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:41" class="time">09:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we need to document what happens for the notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">John specifically included a field for relnotes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we don't have that?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:42" class="time">09:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">the process</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">we do but I know there are items that Paul has had to do in the past that might be missing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process#TheProcess">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/ReleaseNotes/Process#TheProcess</a></td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">in particular</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, it shouldn't be missing from there :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:43" class="time">09:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">stickster_work: can you look at that relnotes process and fix anything you know is missing?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I mean a technical howto for the release notes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">"push button A" then "push button B"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:44" class="time">09:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">a lot of the work ended up on Paul the last three releases</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I want to be able to avoid that</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:45" class="time">09:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">If paul leaves us we are screwed</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:46" class="time">09:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Not that I am suggesting it will happen only that it can</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> jmbuser</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">This is the "what if he's hit by a truck" scenario</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">or has a sick kid/wife/self</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:47" class="time">09:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, that's somewhere, too</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I am willing to take th elead on making sure we get that this time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:48" class="time">09:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, just do it if you can not just because you think you should</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">also because our processes change from time to time</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I can do this</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">anything else on the release notes?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:49" class="time">09:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">vFUDCon/hackfest</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">do we have any plans for this?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, I just sent out a notice asking for what people want</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:50" class="time">09:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">think I suggested to Jef that he contact Paul but I don' tknow if that went anywhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">i think we want to know what people want before we do something?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">I would like to see a "getting started with CVS/XML" lesson</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we could pick a slot.time I suppose</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:51" class="time">09:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">Paul has done that in the past and I have always missed it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- |DrJef| [n=onefjef@fedora/Jef] has joined #fedora-docs</td><td><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">speak of the devil</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">morning Jef</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:52" class="time">09:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">|DrJef|: if Docs wants to do a vFUDCon slot, um, do we just pick one? or ?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:53" class="time">09:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> |DrJef|</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid, just pick it</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> |DrJef|</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">quaid, time is somewhat..flexible... if there is a conflict.. ill sort it out</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, let's go to the list with time and what ppl want to hear/see</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:54"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I think we should focus on current/inactive/active Docs contributors, rather than trying something to attract new ones, etc.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:54" class="time">09:54</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">anything else there/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:55"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">nope that is all I had</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:55"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- napramirez [n=nap@tequilla.exist.com] has quit [Remote closed the connection] </td><td><a href="#t09:55" class="time">09:55</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> quaid</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok</td><td class="time"><a href="#t09:57" class="time">09:57</a></td></tr> <tr id="t09:57"><td class="action" colspan="2">* quaid closing meeting 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