QA/Meetings/20080430

-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA meeting | init		<a href="#t11:06" class="time">11:06</a>
wwoods	hi. who's here for the QA meeting? anyone?	<a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a>
rdieter	bueller? (here)	<a href="#t11:09" class="time">11:09</a>
wwoods	Off the top of my head I don't think I have any new business	<a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a>
wwoods	other than going over the blocker list again	<a href="#t11:10" class="time">11:10</a>
wwoods	rdieter: how's KDE lookin'?	<a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a>
wwoods	fwah. somehow we're up to 17 blockers in NE	<a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a>
wwoods	NEW	<a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a>
rdieter	wwoods: fair	<a href="#t11:11" class="time">11:11</a>
wwoods	f13: ping - did rawhide go out?	<a href="#t11:13" class="time">11:13</a>
rdieter	still no movement on my pet bug: <a href="http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320">http://bugzilla.redhat.com/443320</a> , may need to put in the "restart x on logout hack" to workaround in the meantime	<a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a>
rdieter	how much time do we have left for fixes to make f9-final ?	<a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a>
wwoods	rdieter: ajax made some noise about it being easy to merge	<a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a>
wwoods	we begin spinning RCs this week	<a href="#t11:15" class="time">11:15</a>
wwoods	we really need fixes this week if they're gonna get any sort of testing	<a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a>
rdieter	I'd feel better not shipping a broken RC.	<a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a>
wwoods	we don't really ship RCs	<a href="#t11:16" class="time">11:16</a>
wwoods	so that's a moot point	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
rdieter	well s/ship/spin/	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
wwoods	and then it all depends on your definition of "broken"	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
wwoods	naturally I'd feel better if we fixed all 67 open blockers	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
wwoods	but I don't think that's gonna happen	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
rdieter	broken = bug not fixed (or worked around)	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
rdieter	of course.	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
wwoods	right, but the workaround is a one-line config-file fix	<a href="#t11:17" class="time">11:17</a>
wwoods	it's really easy to drop into place	<a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a>
wwoods	so let's ping ajax and see if he has an ETA for merging that fix	<a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a>
wwoods	well, more an ETA for a build that includes it, since I'm sure he's getting fixes from all over	<a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a>
rdieter	thx, enough on me and that, anything else that mere mortals can look at and help with? :)	<a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a>
wwoods	heh	<a href="#t11:18" class="time">11:18</a>
wwoods	well	<a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a>
wwoods	bug 443445	<a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.	<a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a>
wwoods	completely breaks updates and there's no forward movement on it	<a href="#t11:19" class="time">11:19</a>
rdieter	is that what Richard's recent builds help, or is that just other stuff?	<a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a>
wwoods	other stuff	<a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a>
wwoods	he wasn't aware that you need to import keys on new installs	<a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a>
rdieter	ugh, scary.	<a href="#t11:20" class="time">11:20</a>
wwoods	yeah. no shit.	<a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a>
wwoods	nobody's suggested a workaround and the proper fix requires backporting huge chunks of code	<a href="#t11:21" class="time">11:21</a>
wwoods	jeremy: you're not gonna like this but.. can we get anaconda to import the standard keys at install-time?	<a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a>
wwoods	hell I'll write the code if it helps, I'm just asking if that idea is feasible	<a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a>
jeremy	wwoods: from where kimo sabe?	<a href="#t11:22" class="time">11:22</a>
wwoods	heh. aren't they in fedora-release?	<a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a>
wwoods	couldn't we install fedora-release on the stage2 image	<a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a>
jeremy	so you want me to import every key included in fedora-release?  also that doesn't fix the bloody problem	<a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a>
wwoods	it doesn't?	<a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a>
jeremy	as users might, you know, want to add other repos	<a href="#t11:23" class="time">11:23</a>
rdieter	well, it's a bandaid, for sure.	<a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a>
jeremy	and having fedora-release on the stage2 image doesn't do anything to help -- you still need to know _which_ keys to import	<a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a>
jeremy	which would require anaconda to grow all the support for parsing what the installed system's yum config ends up being	<a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a>
jeremy	and there's absolutely no way I trust writing that code today for a release candidate tomorrow	<a href="#t11:24" class="time">11:24</a>
wwoods	in anaconda we've still got pirut(ish) - can we use its 'import key' dialog for that?	<a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a>
wwoods	yeah :/	<a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a>
jeremy	anaconda has a glade file and some UI code.  not pirut-ish	<a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a>
wwoods	blerg	<a href="#t11:25" class="time">11:25</a>
wwoods	yeah we need an impromptu FESCo meeting or something	<a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a>
wwoods	this needs to be sorted out. immediately.	<a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a>
* rdieter found hughsie in #fedora-desktop, invited him over here.		<a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a>
wwoods	it's not really QA's job to fix it, and we kind of know what the options are	<a href="#t11:26" class="time">11:26</a>
wwoods	we just need to discuss 'em and pick the best one	<a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a>
wwoods	that's kind of a FESCo matter.. I think	<a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a>
* jeremy was really about to walk out the door so that he can, you know, eat lunch before class. but I'll stick around I guess :-/		<a href="#t11:27" class="time">11:27</a>
wwoods	jeremy: you gonna be gone the rest of the day, then?	<a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a>
jeremy	wwoods: there is absolutely zero infrastructure for this in anaconda... getting it to work for all of the install paths is almost guaranteed to be doomed :(	<a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a>
hughsie	hi	<a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a>
wwoods	okay, so anaconda's no good	<a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a>
jeremy	wwoods: yeah, today is an afternoon of hosage	<a href="#t11:28" class="time">11:28</a>
rdieter	hughsie: just discussing lovely bug #bug 443445 and brainstorming options	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
wwoods	which leaves: a) massive backports in PackageKit, b) hack together pirut-based workaround	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
hughsie	wwoods: did you see my mail this morning?	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
wwoods	hughsie: no, hang on	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
hughsie	wwoods: <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589979</a> and <a href="http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973">http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=589973</a>	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
jeremy	wwoods: b would still require PackageKit changes....	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
hughsie	wwoods: it's not pretty, but sortof worked	<a href="#t11:29" class="time">11:29</a>
wwoods	hughsie: mail to where?	<a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a>
rdieter	rel-eng	<a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a>
wwoods	doh! threading fools me again	<a href="#t11:30" class="time">11:30</a>
hughsie	wwoods: :-)	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
wwoods	hughsie: thanks for making a quick hack at this.	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
jeremy	wwoods: I thought you had seen that and weren't happy with it	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
jeremy	bah!	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
wwoods	okay, so as not to keep jeremy malnourished	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
rdieter	jeremy: eat!	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
hughsie	wwoods: the UI is the worst you've ever seen, but it seems to work for me. to avoid breaking abi and api in 0.1.x i reused an unused method that looked a bit similar.....	<a href="#t11:31" class="time">11:31</a>
hughsie	wwoods: i'm thining of pushing out 0.2.1 to updates testing in a few weeks	<a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a>
wwoods	bad UI beats no UI, at least for things like this	<a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a>
hughsie	as that looks beautiful for this sort of thing	<a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a>
wwoods	hughsie: that's fine	<a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a>
hughsie	wwoods: if you could test it i would appreciate it	<a href="#t11:32" class="time">11:32</a>
hughsie	wwoods: i'm just building another gpk for #441755	<a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a>
wwoods	yeah we'll test these and if things are no good I'll track you down again	<a href="#t11:33" class="time">11:33</a>
wwoods	hughsie: oh - is there a feature roadmap for gpk etc. anywhere? we get reports / bugs about things that I know are planned features	<a href="#t11:34" class="time">11:34</a>
wwoods	e.g. installing multiple packages at once	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
hughsie	wwoods: no, but that's a good idea. i'll hack one up now.	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	both from gpk-application or system-install-packages	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
hughsie	well, one implies the other - gpk-install-package is a trivial fix when we expand the api...	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	it would be helpful if I had some documentation that showed that, yes, these are planned	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	right	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	but we get separate bugs about 'em	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	heh	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
wwoods	:/	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
hughsie	wwoods: cool, give me 15	<a href="#t11:35" class="time">11:35</a>
* rdieter is installing test pk builds now.		<a href="#t11:37" class="time">11:37</a>
wwoods	hughsie: so the PK tracker has: bug 438868	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=438868</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , pk-install-file requires network access to install local files	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
wwoods	you mentioned a fix building for bug 441755	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441755</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, MODIFIED , gpk-application hangs on "other" group	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
wwoods	and we're working on bug 443445	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443445</a> low, urgent, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , Cannot install packages from repositories from which RPM-GPG-KEYs have not been installed.	<a href="#t11:38" class="time">11:38</a>
wwoods	that leaves bug 442223 up in the air	<a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=442223</a> low, low, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , gpk-update-viewer gets stuck on "Getting information"	<a href="#t11:39" class="time">11:39</a>
hughsie	wwoods: that's on my totdo for tonight	<a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a>
wwoods	k. I'll make a note of it on the bug.	<a href="#t11:41" class="time">11:41</a>
wwoods	oop. and now there's bug 441127	<a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a>
buggbot	Bug <a href="https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127">https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=441127</a> medium, medium, ---, Robin Norwood, ASSIGNED , PackageKit ignores user preferences	<a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a>
wwoods	back in action	<a href="#t11:43" class="time">11:43</a>
hughsie	wwoods: that shuld be fixed - i can't reproduce that myself	<a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a>
G__81	hi I joined the Fedora project as a contributor last week and i ve already started off with bug triagging which i like to do and would continue to do too now how do i take my contribution to the next level. Any clues would be really helpful.	<a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a>
G__81	i was sponsored by wwoods for the fedora account :)	<a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a>
wwoods	hughsie: would you have a day (or evening or whatev) this week to do a PackageKit Bug Day?	<a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a>
G__81	hi wwoods thanks for sponsoring me :)	<a href="#t11:44" class="time">11:44</a>
wwoods	hughsie: probably won't be much more IRC traffic than usual, just idling in #fedora-qa and people who have PK bugs can come by and we'll help get them filed or set the reporter straight	<a href="#t11:45" class="time">11:45</a>
hughsie	wwoods: sure, by evening do you mean EST time?	<a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a>
hughsie	I'm GMT+1 here	<a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a>
wwoods	G__81: depends on what you'd like to do - testing proposed updates for the stable releases is really helpful	<a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a>
wwoods	hughsie: whichever works for you - it's hard to say where the majority of reporters are, but my gut says they're centered around US Eastern	<a href="#t11:46" class="time">11:46</a>
G__81	wwoods, i have a single system a laptop which runs Fedora 8 can i use that alone to do it . That's my system that i use daily i could fix bugs in some packages and help testing some packages too	<a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a>
hughsie	wwoods: okay, late night it is then :-)	<a href="#t11:47" class="time">11:47</a>
wwoods	G__81: sure - enable the updates-testing repository and check out <a href="http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/">http://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/</a>	<a href="#t11:49" class="time">11:49</a>
wwoods	hughsie: heh. sorry for the short notice on this, but it seems like you work typical engineer hours (10am to "oh crap I should get dinner")	<a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a>
wwoods	so I didn't think it would be too much of a hardship to ask if you'd mind staying late one day	<a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a>
wwoods	heh	<a href="#t11:50" class="time">11:50</a>
wwoods	G__81: bodhi is the system that the developers use to push out newly-built packages for testing	<a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a>
hughsie	wwoods: it's no problem at all	<a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a>
hughsie	wwoods: i seem to work 18 hour days as it is :-)	<a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a>
G__81	yup sure i ll do that but i just want to reconfirm whether updates-testing is enabled or not so how do i make sure its enabled	<a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a>
wwoods	G__81: so log in and check out the Fedora 8 Testing packages - if there's something you use, install it from updates-testing	<a href="#t11:51" class="time">11:51</a>
wwoods	test it out and report whether it works or not	<a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a>
G__81	yup sure	<a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a>
G__81	will do that	<a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a>
wwoods	G__81: the easy way is to run pirut (add/remove software) and use the Repo editor in the menu	<a href="#t11:52" class="time">11:52</a>
wwoods	hughsie: yeah, you really do seem to work 18 hours a day	<a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a>
wwoods	heh	<a href="#t11:53" class="time">11:53</a>
hughsie	wwoods: well, i move in with my g/f soon - that will have to be curtailed a little :-)	<a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a>
wwoods	hughsie: ha. yes, understood	<a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a>
skvidal	wwoods: earlier when you mentioned grub --once not working - was that on xen or on an actual system?	<a href="#t11:54" class="time">11:54</a>
wwoods	skvidal: actual system	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
skvidal	hmm, darn	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
skvidal	oka	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
skvidal	y	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
wwoods	well let's see. thursday or monday? monday's the 5th already. awful close to release.	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
skvidal	I noticed that the --once trick doesn't work on xen	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
G__81	wwoods, i also wanna be part of the cvsextras team and i got an email stating that there should be a sponsor for that and the same for ambassador but then i created an account in the wiki page but i ve not got any mail after that anything else should i do for that?	<a href="#t11:55" class="time">11:55</a>
wwoods	G__81: cvsextras is mostly for packaging, which has a different set of rules for sponsorship etc.	<a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a>
rdieter	testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not.  intended or oversight/bug?	<a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a>
wwoods	I don't think I can sponsor people for that - I'm not a very good packager :/	<a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a>
G__81	how about for bug-fixing is there a separate group or account ?	<a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a>
wwoods	G__81: bug fixing is a packaging thing	<a href="#t11:56" class="time">11:56</a>
G__81	oh !	<a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a>
G__81	i wanna be part of that :) can someone take me into it :) ?	<a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a>
G__81	i am very much interested in testing and bug  fixing part	<a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a>
wwoods	it requires putting new patches in packages and rebuilding them and stuff. Usually it's easiest to start out by filing bugs and attaching patches to the bug	<a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a>
wwoods	that's how I get bug fixes done	<a href="#t11:57" class="time">11:57</a>
G__81	i currently triag bugs which i really like doing and i want to go ahead by testing and then fixing bugs thats my short term goal :)	<a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a>
wwoods	G__81: it's a good goal!	<a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a>
wwoods	anyway, we're a bit off-topic here	<a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a>
G__81	i know i am sorry for that	<a href="#t11:58" class="time">11:58</a>
rdieter	hughsie: ?	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
hughsie	rdieter: hey	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
rdieter	[10:56] <rdieter> testing: gnome-packagekit, gpk-application works (prompts). gpk-install-package does not.  intended or oversight/bug?	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
hughsie	ahh, sorry, too many irc windows	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
wwoods	Unless there's any more stuff relating to the blocker list for F9, we should end the meeting (I think there's another meeting at 12 local time)	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
hughsie	well, just not hecked in	<a href="#t11:59" class="time">11:59</a>
rdieter	wwoods: +1	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
hughsie	rdieter: in master we've solved this properly	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
G__81	wwoods, in the Bodhi repository there is a link which says stable so should i click on that and download a package and start testing it and report bugs ?	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
wwoods	rdieter: we can continue this in #packagekit	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
rdieter	hughsie: thx.	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
G__81	wwoods, and report bugs in Bugzilla is that all ?	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
hughsie	wwoods: you mean #PackageKit	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
wwoods	G__81: let's continue in #fedora-qa	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
G__81	sure	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>
wwoods	ending the meeting now. thanks for your time, folks	<a href="#t12:00" class="time">12:00</a>

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