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* [[I18N/Bugs]]
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* add agenda item -- [name]
* comps yum groupremove -- [pravin]


* Next meeting [[I18N/Meetings/2009-06-23]]
* Next meeting [[I18N/Meetings/2009-06-23]]


== Summary==
== Summary==
* Jens presented outline of current design/usage
* Pravin mentioned problem of yum groupremove being evil for groups with cross-listed packages


=== Action Items ===
=== Action Items ===
* Jens will submit YumLangpackPlugin
* Jens will look into setting up FWN i18n beat if we don't need to contribute continually
* will have a regular bugs corner in future meetings


== Log ==
== Log ==
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|- id="tJun 09 15:01:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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|- id="tJun 09 15:01:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome to the fedora-i18n meeting
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[I18N/Meetings/2009-06-09]]
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|- id="tJun 09 15:02:23"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | hi juhp
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|- id="tJun 09 15:02:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | hi
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
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! style="background-color: #854685" | dychen_
| style="color: #854685" | hi juhp
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! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | hi
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! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | jni_
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | hi
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | paragn
| style="color: #4b904b" | hi
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|- id="tJun 09 15:07:32"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | phuang
| style="color: #4d4d93" | hi
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|- id="tJun 09 15:07:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | #  Features/YumLangpackPlugin
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | just wanted to update a little on the yum langpack feature
|| [[#tJun 09 15:09:35|Jun 09 15:09]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:10:53"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | paragn
| style="color: #4b904b" | [[Features/YumLangpackPlugin]]
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | (sorry for the slow typing - got distracted by something else...)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll update the feature with my latest thoughts but let me try to summarise here briefly
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so the idea is
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|- id="tJun 09 15:17:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | probably to have meta packages for each language to enable automatic langpack installation for that language
|| [[#tJun 09 15:17:05|Jun 09 15:17]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:17:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | which would pull in yum-plugin-langpacks
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|- id="tJun 09 15:18:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | later there may also be whitelist/blacklist configuration available in the plugin config file at least for advanced users
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|- id="tJun 09 15:19:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | the current locale based prototype already mostly works so need to add meta package processing to it
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | the meta packages can live in comps and hopefully replace the conditional lang-support packages there
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | paragn
| style="color: #4b904b" | k
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and also hope I can persuade firefox and thunderbird to get langpack subpackages
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: earlier I had thought about involving system-config-language but I think with this model it is more transparent and UI independent
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | since it is enabled at the package level
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | any comments?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | so the plan is to put that meta data to yum repos?
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! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: yeah
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! style="background-color: #97974f" | sflanigan
| style="color: #97974f" | How will you decide which packages are langpacks?  The prototype uses some sort of naming convention, doesn't it?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: if we drop the comps conditionals they would move to the plugin so it may be more open/neutral to leave them for now and make the plugin invoke groupinstall but that may be too ugly to implement not sure yet
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | will it check for installed base packages for that lang first?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_bhalerao: yup
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! style="background-color: #854685" | dychen
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: Shall we have a policy for lang pack naming?
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|- id="tJun 09 15:26:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | dychen: that would be good but probably not possible in the f12 timeframe
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | in that case, is it the way gd,m checks or just the comps list in lang-group
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | sflanigan: good question - for now by hardcoding or yum groups
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | hmm
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | any thoughts for an approach like fonts?
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! style="background-color: #854685" | dychen
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: In that  case, well, we need to maintain a lang-pack list then.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ah interesting idea
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | hmmmm
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_bhalerao: sorry?
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | most fonts will be available from base-fonts group even if the lang is not completely supported
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_bhalerao: if the base package is not installed nothing will happen, sure
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | juhp: I mean what all packages to be considered as base packages for the lang?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_bhalerao: you mean how?  as I said it is hardcoded for now
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! style="background-color: #854685" | dychen
| style="color: #854685" | juhp: rahul_bhalerao: Not sure whether we want to involved it in gdm....
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: for instance, if any packages has separate subpackage for po files say, any helper scripts could generates a provide for that and picks up with yum? dunno.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | rahul_bhalerao: no tagoh3 is referring to packagekit support ;)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I thought
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: yep
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: ah right but that really needs changes to rpm I think
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! style="background-color: #42427e" | rahul_bhalerao
| style="color: #42427e" | hmm ok :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but i am not sure how to catch missing langpacks in general at runtime
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: for fonts it is done at the fontconfig level?
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: only works for pango so far iirc.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ah right yeah
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | and I have seen some false positives from irc i think ;o)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but anyway
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | #  FWN/Beats i18n
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I was thinking we should contribute a little to Fedora Weekly News going forward
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|- id="tJun 09 15:35:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it would be a big burden and help give a little more attention to i18n work in fedora
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | we already have our docs beat for relnotes so this is a small extension of that
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | guess we may need more activities first..
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess it just involves highlighting briefly i18n developments in the fedora space and updates would just be by best effort and when they occur
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: hmm you mean empty would look bad?
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess there must be other news beats that are not publishing every week
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so probably creating one is harmless and then we can see how much we have to contribute with time
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | assuming that it seems we have nothing to lose
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll have a closer look and check
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | juhp: if there are anything, that would be good though - just wonder how often it will happens.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | occasionally is better than nothing :)
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! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | of course it is.
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but yeah time may be an issue - so ideally we need a volunteer :)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | [[FWN/Beats]] is the beats page
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | #  I18N/Bugs
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | the number of fedora-i18n-bugs has been creeping up over recent monthly so I'd like to do some triaging
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I was supposed to send a list of f9 bugs for people to check/update/move to newer/close (ie (re-)triage)
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but that is just the tip of the iceberg of course
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! style="background-color: #4b904b" | paragn
| style="color: #4b904b" | yes we need to check i18n bugs
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we will open a regular bugs to the meetings to focus more on them
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! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | bugs section, sorry
|| [[#tJun 09 15:48:53|Jun 09 15:48]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:53:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok
|| [[#tJun 09 15:53:43|Jun 09 15:53]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | those are all the topics on the agenda
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:03|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:12"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: one more from me
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:12|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | please
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:19|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | ##  comps- yum groupremove
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:23|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | just one observation
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:30|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:34"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | while install group
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:34|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:54:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | s/install/remove
|| [[#tJun 09 15:54:48|Jun 09 15:54]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:55:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: groupremove is "evil" :)
|| [[#tJun 09 15:55:00|Jun 09 15:55]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:55:13"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: yeah
|| [[#tJun 09 15:55:13|Jun 09 15:55]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:55:23"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | while removing gujarati support, it removed ibus-m17n also
|| [[#tJun 09 15:55:23|Jun 09 15:55]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:55:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | nod
|| [[#tJun 09 15:55:27|Jun 09 15:55]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:55:46"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | which is related with many other langs
|| [[#tJun 09 15:55:46|Jun 09 15:55]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: but the plugin could help
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:01|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | just wanna bring this to your observation :)
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:10|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | juhp: thats will be too good
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:29|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | pravins: yum remove gujarati-langpack-support could remove all langpacks for gu for example
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:42|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:53"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | aha
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:53|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:56:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#tJun 09 15:56:54|Jun 09 15:56]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:57:14"
| colspan="2" | *pravins bit lucky s-c-l not doing yum groupremove ;)
|| [[#tJun 09 15:57:14|Jun 09 15:57]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:57:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | but yeah I don't think groupremove could be used for that
|| [[#tJun 09 15:57:19|Jun 09 15:57]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:57:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | so in that sense hardcoding is better and would also allow supporting repos without comps....
|| [[#tJun 09 15:57:46|Jun 09 15:57]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:58:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | pravins
| style="color: #488888" | yeah
|| [[#tJun 09 15:58:27|Jun 09 15:58]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:58:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ideally/better of course base packages should provide metadata to the plugin for their langpacks
|| [[#tJun 09 15:58:31|Jun 09 15:58]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:58:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | I think it would not be that hard
|| [[#tJun 09 15:58:44|Jun 09 15:58]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:58:45"
! style="background-color: #818144" | tagoh3
| style="color: #818144" | wonder if there are any way to have refcount among groups and avoid removing packages unexpectedly
|| [[#tJun 09 15:58:45|Jun 09 15:58]]
|- id="tJun 09 15:59:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | tagoh3: hmm yeah - I think the idea people have is to rip out comps and replace it with something better but result would hopefully solve that problem
|| [[#tJun 09 15:59:46|Jun 09 15:59]]
|- id="tJun 09 16:00:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | of course if that was already the case and rpm/yum were a little smarter this plugin would not be necessary...
|| [[#tJun 09 16:00:58|Jun 09 16:00]]
|- id="tJun 09 16:01:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok I think we are out of time so unless anything else let's close the meeting in a couple of minutes
|| [[#tJun 09 16:01:44|Jun 09 16:01]]
|- id="tJun 09 16:05:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | juhp
| style="color: #407a40" | ok thanks for the meeting all!
|| [[#tJun 09 16:05:29|Jun 09 16:05]]
|}
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2009-06-09 0500 UTC on #fedora-meeting at Freenode

Agenda

Summary

  • Jens presented outline of current design/usage
  • Pravin mentioned problem of yum groupremove being evil for groups with cross-listed packages

Action Items

  • Jens will submit YumLangpackPlugin
  • Jens will look into setting up FWN i18n beat if we don't need to contribute continually
  • will have a regular bugs corner in future meetings

Log

juhp ok Jun 09 15:01
juhp welcome to the fedora-i18n meeting Jun 09 15:01
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juhp I18N/Meetings/2009-06-09 Jun 09 15:02
rahul_bhalerao hi juhp Jun 09 15:02
tagoh3 hi Jun 09 15:02
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juhp ok Jun 09 15:04
dychen_ hi juhp Jun 09 15:06
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pravins hi Jun 09 15:06
jni_ hi Jun 09 15:06
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paragn hi Jun 09 15:06
phuang hi Jun 09 15:07
juhp # Features/YumLangpackPlugin Jun 09 15:07
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juhp just wanted to update a little on the yum langpack feature Jun 09 15:09
paragn Features/YumLangpackPlugin Jun 09 15:10
juhp (sorry for the slow typing - got distracted by something else...) Jun 09 15:11
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juhp I'll update the feature with my latest thoughts but let me try to summarise here briefly Jun 09 15:13
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juhp so the idea is Jun 09 15:16
juhp probably to have meta packages for each language to enable automatic langpack installation for that language Jun 09 15:17
juhp which would pull in yum-plugin-langpacks Jun 09 15:17
juhp later there may also be whitelist/blacklist configuration available in the plugin config file at least for advanced users Jun 09 15:18
juhp the current locale based prototype already mostly works so need to add meta package processing to it Jun 09 15:19
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juhp the meta packages can live in comps and hopefully replace the conditional lang-support packages there Jun 09 15:20
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paragn k Jun 09 15:20
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juhp and also hope I can persuade firefox and thunderbird to get langpack subpackages Jun 09 15:21
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juhp pravins: earlier I had thought about involving system-config-language but I think with this model it is more transparent and UI independent Jun 09 15:22
juhp since it is enabled at the package level Jun 09 15:22
juhp any comments? Jun 09 15:23
tagoh3 so the plan is to put that meta data to yum repos? Jun 09 15:23
pravins juhp: yeah Jun 09 15:24
sflanigan How will you decide which packages are langpacks? The prototype uses some sort of naming convention, doesn't it? Jun 09 15:24
juhp tagoh3: if we drop the comps conditionals they would move to the plugin so it may be more open/neutral to leave them for now and make the plugin invoke groupinstall but that may be too ugly to implement not sure yet Jun 09 15:25
rahul_bhalerao will it check for installed base packages for that lang first? Jun 09 15:25
juhp rahul_bhalerao: yup Jun 09 15:25
dychen juhp: Shall we have a policy for lang pack naming? Jun 09 15:25
juhp dychen: that would be good but probably not possible in the f12 timeframe Jun 09 15:26
rahul_bhalerao in that case, is it the way gd,m checks or just the comps list in lang-group Jun 09 15:26
juhp sflanigan: good question - for now by hardcoding or yum groups Jun 09 15:26
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rahul_bhalerao hmm Jun 09 15:26
tagoh3 any thoughts for an approach like fonts? Jun 09 15:27
dychen juhp: In that case, well, we need to maintain a lang-pack list then. Jun 09 15:27
juhp tagoh3: ah interesting idea Jun 09 15:27
juhp hmmmm Jun 09 15:27
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juhp rahul_bhalerao: sorry? Jun 09 15:27
rahul_bhalerao most fonts will be available from base-fonts group even if the lang is not completely supported Jun 09 15:28
juhp rahul_bhalerao: if the base package is not installed nothing will happen, sure Jun 09 15:28
rahul_bhalerao juhp: I mean what all packages to be considered as base packages for the lang? Jun 09 15:29
juhp rahul_bhalerao: you mean how? as I said it is hardcoded for now Jun 09 15:29
dychen juhp: rahul_bhalerao: Not sure whether we want to involved it in gdm.... Jun 09 15:29
tagoh3 juhp: for instance, if any packages has separate subpackage for po files say, any helper scripts could generates a provide for that and picks up with yum? dunno. Jun 09 15:29
juhp rahul_bhalerao: no tagoh3 is referring to packagekit support ;) Jun 09 15:30
juhp I thought Jun 09 15:30
tagoh3 juhp: yep Jun 09 15:30
juhp tagoh3: ah right but that really needs changes to rpm I think Jun 09 15:30
rahul_bhalerao hmm ok :) Jun 09 15:31
juhp but i am not sure how to catch missing langpacks in general at runtime Jun 09 15:31
juhp tagoh3: for fonts it is done at the fontconfig level? Jun 09 15:32
tagoh3 juhp: only works for pango so far iirc. Jun 09 15:32
juhp ah right yeah Jun 09 15:32
juhp and I have seen some false positives from irc i think ;o) Jun 09 15:33
juhp but anyway Jun 09 15:33
juhp # FWN/Beats i18n Jun 09 15:34
juhp I was thinking we should contribute a little to Fedora Weekly News going forward Jun 09 15:34
juhp I think it would be a big burden and help give a little more attention to i18n work in fedora Jun 09 15:35
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juhp we already have our docs beat for relnotes so this is a small extension of that Jun 09 15:35
tagoh3 guess we may need more activities first.. Jun 09 15:37
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juhp I guess it just involves highlighting briefly i18n developments in the fedora space and updates would just be by best effort and when they occur Jun 09 15:37
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juhp tagoh3: hmm you mean empty would look bad? Jun 09 15:37
juhp I guess there must be other news beats that are not publishing every week Jun 09 15:38
juhp so probably creating one is harmless and then we can see how much we have to contribute with time Jun 09 15:38
juhp assuming that it seems we have nothing to lose Jun 09 15:38
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juhp I'll have a closer look and check Jun 09 15:39
tagoh3 juhp: if there are anything, that would be good though - just wonder how often it will happens. Jun 09 15:39
juhp occasionally is better than nothing :) Jun 09 15:39
tagoh3 of course it is. Jun 09 15:40
juhp but yeah time may be an issue - so ideally we need a volunteer :) Jun 09 15:40
juhp FWN/Beats is the beats page Jun 09 15:41
juhp # I18N/Bugs Jun 09 15:42
juhp the number of fedora-i18n-bugs has been creeping up over recent monthly so I'd like to do some triaging Jun 09 15:44
juhp I was supposed to send a list of f9 bugs for people to check/update/move to newer/close (ie (re-)triage) Jun 09 15:45
juhp but that is just the tip of the iceberg of course Jun 09 15:45
paragn yes we need to check i18n bugs Jun 09 15:46
juhp I think we will open a regular bugs to the meetings to focus more on them Jun 09 15:48
juhp bugs section, sorry Jun 09 15:48
juhp ok Jun 09 15:53
juhp those are all the topics on the agenda Jun 09 15:54
pravins juhp: one more from me Jun 09 15:54
juhp please Jun 09 15:54
pravins ## comps- yum groupremove Jun 09 15:54
pravins just one observation Jun 09 15:54
pravins while install group Jun 09 15:54
pravins s/install/remove Jun 09 15:54
juhp pravins: groupremove is "evil" :) Jun 09 15:55
pravins juhp: yeah Jun 09 15:55
pravins while removing gujarati support, it removed ibus-m17n also Jun 09 15:55
juhp nod Jun 09 15:55
pravins which is related with many other langs Jun 09 15:55
juhp pravins: but the plugin could help Jun 09 15:56
pravins just wanna bring this to your observation :) Jun 09 15:56
pravins juhp: thats will be too good Jun 09 15:56
juhp pravins: yum remove gujarati-langpack-support could remove all langpacks for gu for example Jun 09 15:56
pravins aha Jun 09 15:56
juhp :) Jun 09 15:56
*pravins bit lucky s-c-l not doing yum groupremove ;) Jun 09 15:57
juhp but yeah I don't think groupremove could be used for that Jun 09 15:57
juhp so in that sense hardcoding is better and would also allow supporting repos without comps.... Jun 09 15:57
pravins yeah Jun 09 15:58
juhp ideally/better of course base packages should provide metadata to the plugin for their langpacks Jun 09 15:58
juhp I think it would not be that hard Jun 09 15:58
tagoh3 wonder if there are any way to have refcount among groups and avoid removing packages unexpectedly Jun 09 15:58
juhp tagoh3: hmm yeah - I think the idea people have is to rip out comps and replace it with something better but result would hopefully solve that problem Jun 09 15:59
juhp of course if that was already the case and rpm/yum were a little smarter this plugin would not be necessary... Jun 09 16:00
juhp ok I think we are out of time so unless anything else let's close the meeting in a couple of minutes Jun 09 16:01
juhp ok thanks for the meeting all! Jun 09 16:05

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