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People present (lines said):
People present (lines said):
* jlaska (91)
* kparal (37)
* jeff_hann (9)
* damNageHack (8)
* zodbot (4)
* jskladan (3)
* lmacken (3)
* Viking-Ice (1)


Regrets:
Regrets:
* [[User:liam]]
* [[User:wwoods|wwoods]]
* [[User:rhe]]
* [[User:adamwill|adamwill]]
* [[User:liam|liam]]
* [[User:rhe|rhe]]


= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* [FIXME Proposed meeting agenda]
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090413.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [FIXME MeetBot summary]
* [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2010-04-26/fedora-qa.2010-04-26-15.00.html MeetBot summary]


== Previous meeting follow-up ==
== Previous meeting follow-up ==
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* jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
* jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
** Already completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!
** Already completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!
* adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in
** lmacken organizing existing tickets into Bodhi-2.0 TRAC roadmap (see https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0).  Expects to complete in next few weeks.


See agenda below for additional follow-up items included in specific topics
See agenda below for additional follow-up items included in specific topics
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Upcoming test days:
Upcoming test days:
* 2010-04-29 - [[Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade]]
* 2010-04-29 - [[Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade]]
Recent test changes:
* Adding i18n support to installation test plan (see details [https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/63 ticket#63])


{{admon/important|Fedora 13 QA Retrospective|Ideas have already been coming in since F-13-Alpha.  It's not too early to note QA issues you felt where handled '''well''', or could have been '''improved'''.  Your ideas will be used during F-14 QA goal planning.  Voice your comments at [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective]].}}
{{admon/important|Fedora 13 QA Retrospective|Ideas have already been coming in since F-13-Alpha.  It's not too early to note QA issues you felt where handled '''well''', or could have been '''improved'''.  Your ideas will be used during F-14 QA goal planning.  Voice your comments at [[Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective]].}}
== Bodhi QA workflow status check-in ==
* [[User:adamwill|adamw]] asked lmacken and mathieu for a heads up as to when the improved feedback system will be available.  Adamw noted that mathieu is working on it in the 'tg2 branch' (turbogears 2).  Jlaska asked if there were requirements for bodhi-2 posted, adamw indicated that [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2010-March/134087.html his earlier email], and dledford's, were being used as the initial requirements.


== Proventesters check-in ==
== Proventesters check-in ==


* maxamillion - send Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review
* maxamillion - send Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html)
** Sent for final review at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html
* maxamillion - Request new proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114)
 
* The team discussed possible next steps, including ...
* maxamillion - Request new proventester FAS group
** Recommending that current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
** Requested and created (thanks lmacken) -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114
** Document exact criteria needed for proventesters
** https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/proventesters
** Provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests (for sample, see similar https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newtplticket)


== Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in ==
== Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in ==


* kparal will bother other QA members if they have some comments to the test plan :)
* Kparal sent request for final review at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html
** Sent for final review at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html
* If no additional feedback, test plan will be finalized this week
* Next steps ...
** Remove ''draft'' status
** Document each test case (see [https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/62 ticket#62])


== AutoQA check-in ==
== AutoQA check-in ==


There has been a lot of AutoQA activities in recent weeks, Jlaska asked the group to walk through some highlights.
There has been a lot of AutoQA activities in recent weeks, jlaska asked the group to walk through some highlights.


Josef Skladanka updated the group on several AutoQA activities:
* Kparal provided some updates from jskladan on the results database efforts..
# Getting URLs of test results from AutoQA testruns is nearly finished.  Patches out for review on [https://fedorahosted.org/mailman/listinfo/autoqa-devel autoqa-devel@lists.fedorahosted.org]
** First draft of implementing the resultsdb API
# The beakerlib-based initscript test is now in production (see [https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-results/2010-April/016011.html sample results])
** Test suite for resultsdb API created
# Making progress on the resultsDB - We have finished the db schema (see [[AutoQA_resultsdb_schema]]) and accepted a input API (see [[AutoQA_resultsdb_API]])
# Next steps ...
#* Prototyping the resultsdb and using an XMLRPC based API to populate with results (jlaska, 16:06:12)
#* Creating a front-end which will be used for review/publish the data
 
Kamil Páral updated the group on his AutoQA focus areas:
# In addition to the notes above from Josef, working with Petr Splichal to automate the [[QA:Package_Sanity_Test_Plan]] (track plans using the [https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20Sanity%20Tests autoqa PST milestone]).
# Package Sanity ensures clean install, removal, upgrade, etc of the packages (see [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=autoqa.git;a=blob;f=tests/package_sanity/examples/cheese-rpm-summary.txt;h=830a0a9311eb4e8442fd3858c0ad67ce694ad6c9;hb=refs/heads/pst sample test output]).  There is already a 'pst' script in the repository which you can try to perform sanity tests on a downloaded package or package in a repo.
# Next steps ...
#* detect that new updates are pushed to bodhi
#* download the package and all relevant packages
 
Will Woods provide some updates on his AutoQA focus areas:
# We have enough info about current bodhi to write a bodhi update watcher, but it may have some shortcomings and will soon be obsoleted
# We have a proposed storage encoding for putting test plan metadata in the wiki (see [[QA:Test_Plan_Metadata_Test_Page]]), this will be used by the resultsdb  


== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==
== Open discussion - <Your topic here> ==
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= Action items =
= Action items =
# current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
# jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting


= IRC Transcript =
= IRC Transcript =
{|
|- id="t15:00:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t15:00:08|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Apr 26 15:00:08 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:09|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:10"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:10|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:12|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:13|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Gathering critical mass ...
|| [[#t15:00:22|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:31"
| colspan="2" | * jeff_hann is here
|| [[#t15:00:31|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:35"
| colspan="2" | * kparal jumps straight into meeting
|| [[#t15:00:35|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jeff_hann: kparal: howdy
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | howdee
|| [[#t15:00:57|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:59"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan watching from the shadows
|| [[#t15:00:59|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:38"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska tips hat towards jskladan
|| [[#t15:01:38|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | hi
|| [[#t15:02:23|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: hello :)
|| [[#t15:02:27|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | wwoods: adamw: you guys around?
|| [[#t15:02:34|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't think this time slot works great for maxamillion, but lemme check ...
|| [[#t15:03:22|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I've got a conflict @ the half hour increment ... so let's get started
|| [[#t15:04:29|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if we run over, I may need help closing out the proposed agenda items
|| [[#t15:04:59|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090413.html
|| [[#t15:05:08|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:05:13|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
|| [[#t15:05:39|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | This was easy, thanks to the infrastructure team ... boot.fp.org should already have links to Fedora 13 beta
|| [[#t15:05:56|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!
|| [[#t15:06:07|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in
|| [[#t15:06:16|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:18"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: is it necessary to re-download the images?
|| [[#t15:06:18|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: good question ... I tested by downloading the images
|| [[#t15:07:02|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so I don't know if the configs are pulled from the server, or are on the media
|| [[#t15:07:20|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:14"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok
|| [[#t15:08:14|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:21"
| colspan="2" | * kparal will test some day
|| [[#t15:08:21|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: that'll likely need a follow-up to #fedora-admin for guidance, I'm not sure
|| [[#t15:08:31|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw and I spoke w/ lmacken last week, he is working to organize a lot of TRAC tickets into a bodhi-2.0 milestone
|| [[#t15:09:05|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and expected to have that finished out in the next few weeks
|| [[#t15:09:20|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | bodhi-2.0 milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0
|| [[#t15:09:24|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Some initial requirements gathering will also take place in the coming weeks
|| [[#t15:09:51|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | my understanding is this will be helpful for us so we can coordinate AutoQA dependencies and document/educate 'proventesters' on the QA workflow through bodhi
|| [[#t15:10:33|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we had several other follow-up items, but I've moved those into specific topics below ...
|| [[#t15:10:52|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so I'll dive in, unless anyone has other thoughts
|| [[#t15:11:00|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:50"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice sneaks in a bit late..
|| [[#t15:11:50|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: welcome!
|| [[#t15:11:55|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Fedora 13 RC test status
|| [[#t15:11:57|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info the current deliverable I'm working on is the Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Run
|| [[#t15:12:20|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | a new anaconda was built, and given proper karma in bodhi to be available for Branched testing
|| [[#t15:12:41|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | it's an unusual worflow to run through an acceptanc test, but that's hopefully something we can work out post F-13
|| [[#t15:13:02|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | the Friday Branched compose failed to build due to deps, but it looks like things are okay today
|| [[#t15:13:14|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll be posting a test summary to the list later this afternoon
|| [[#t15:13:20|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info there was a F13Blocker review last week - see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-04-23/fedora-bugzappers.2010-04-23-16.06.html
|| [[#t15:14:00|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | We can expect the following milestones this week ...
|| [[#t15:14:24|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
|| [[#t15:14:33|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-04-29 - PreUpgrade test day - [[Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade]]
|| [[#t15:14:50|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
|| [[#t15:15:00|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | In other F-13 testing news, there have been some i18n test considerations under discussion
|| [[#t15:15:32|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | you may have see this already from a ticket mail to test@
|| [[#t15:15:49|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | how is a release critical bug marked in bugzilla?
|| [[#t15:16:02|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: to mark a bug as a release blocker, you add the blocks: F13Blocker
|| [[#t15:16:23|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: and add a quick statement indicating what release criteria are impacted by the bug
|| [[#t15:16:38|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | k thx. i will not do such a thing. only for my information :)
|| [[#t15:16:57|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: no worries, folks are encouraged to escalate issues of concern
|| [[#t15:17:19|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we've documented what are considered the most common release criteria at [[Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria]]
|| [[#t15:17:39|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | i am thinking of the bug with gtk2 v2.19/2.20 + thunar/pcmanfm
|| [[#t15:17:43|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | damNageHack: current blocker list is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507681&amp;hide_resolved=1
|| [[#t15:17:51|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | however, there are always cases where bugs don't fit a criteria ... feel free to raise those issues on the mailing list, or #fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:18:03|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:23"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | k tx
|| [[#t15:18:23|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | So lastly, if anyone wants to contribute to additional i18n tests  ... feel free to add your thoughts to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/63
|| [[#t15:18:56|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | i can see a lot of still open bugs :)
|| [[#t15:18:58|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: 18 non-MODIFIED bugs ... we have a lot of testing MODIFIED and ON_QA bugs to do
|| [[#t15:19:11|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... next agenda item ...
|| [[#t15:19:23|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | i am sure, it can be done
|| [[#t15:19:40|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | damNageHack
| style="color: #854685" | fedora has a high quality, i like that :)
|| [[#t15:20:02|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | damNageHack: glad to hear, we only get that because people contribute time to make it better ... so thank you! :)
|| [[#t15:20:28|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Proventesters check-in
|| [[#t15:20:33|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | We had 2 action items to follow-up on from last week
|| [[#t15:20:47|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | looks like maxamillion completed both of them
|| [[#t15:20:54|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info maxamillion - sent Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html)
|| [[#t15:21:22|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info maxamillion requested creation of proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114)
|| [[#t15:21:42|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks maxamillion! :)
|| [[#t15:21:48|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | he's not around right now, but I was going to ask the obvious ...
|| [[#t15:22:00|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | what's next?
|| [[#t15:22:07|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | now to populate the group
|| [[#t15:22:27|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, is it time to request applications to the group?
|| [[#t15:22:40|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | do we know how to evaluate and mentor applicants?
|| [[#t15:22:50|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Has bodhi been changed to use 'proventester' FAS group, instead of 'qa' for critpath updates?
|| [[#t15:23:25|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:47"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | the mentoring process could be described, yes
|| [[#t15:23:47|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | lmacken
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: I have myself CC'd to the proventesters infrastructure ticket, but it's still not completed, from what I can tell
|| [[#t15:23:57|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:09"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | lmacken
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | once it's done, changing it in bodhi will be trivial
|| [[#t15:24:09|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: what are the qualities required for someone to become a proventester?
|| [[#t15:24:12|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | lmacken: is this the ticket to create the group, or to change bodhi to use proventester group?
|| [[#t15:24:24|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:37"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | lmacken
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: to create the group... once it's created, I'll change it in bodhi
|| [[#t15:24:37|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | lmacken: eggsellent, thank you!
|| [[#t15:25:05|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
|| [[#t15:25:26|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:41"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan needs to leave now. see you around, gang!
|| [[#t15:25:41|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jeff_hann: kparal yeah good suggestions
|| [[#t15:25:41|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jskladan: take care!
|| [[#t15:25:45|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jskladan
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: thanks, will do my best
|| [[#t15:26:10|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: jeff_hann: I can take an action to follow-up w/ maxamillion after the meeting
|| [[#t15:26:10|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:32"
| colspan="2" | * kparal brb in 2min
|| [[#t15:26:32|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: a page where the exact criteria needed would be useful
|| [[#t15:26:46|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jeff_hann: yeah I agree
|| [[#t15:26:57|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I believe we started that page a few weeks back, but that might just need to be refreshed
|| [[#t15:27:13|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: and instructions as how/what to fill in TRAC
|| [[#t15:27:19|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info a page where exact criteria needed for proventesters would be useful
|| [[#t15:27:25|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jeff_hann: in TRAC?
|| [[#t15:27:34|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jeff_hann: oh for applying to the group?
|| [[#t15:27:40|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | jeff_hann: yeah
|| [[#t15:27:49|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests
|| [[#t15:27:58|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting
|| [[#t15:28:22|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | for any other ideas that come to folks, please feel free to reply to the meeting minutes I send out
|| [[#t15:28:54|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next topic ...
|| [[#t15:28:58|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in
|| [[#t15:29:00|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:01"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: of course, I would like to join the proventesters group; been slackin' recently.
|| [[#t15:29:01|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:09"
| colspan="2" | * kparal back
|| [[#t15:29:09|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: hey, do you want to give an update on this topic?
|| [[#t15:29:21|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:25"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | sure
|| [[#t15:29:25|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #chair kparal
|| [[#t15:29:33|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:33"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Current chairs: jlaska kparal
|| [[#t15:29:33|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:41"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | #link [[User:Kparal/Proposal:Package_update_acceptance_test_plan]]
|| [[#t15:29:41|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | so, I posted a few last questions about the test plan and a call for comments
|| [[#t15:30:03|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:25"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html
|| [[#t15:30:25|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: thanks for picking that back up ... I think I've got a few UNREAD's to read still on that thread
|| [[#t15:30:48|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:57"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | from discussion with jlaska and jkeating I changed a few definitions
|| [[#t15:30:57|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | so thanks for all comments
|| [[#t15:31:03|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:21"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I believe the test plan should be final now
|| [[#t15:31:21|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:22"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska loves your test categories
|| [[#t15:31:22|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:27"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | if no more comments come
|| [[#t15:31:27|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | mandatory, introspection, advisory :)
|| [[#t15:31:32|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | one remaining item is to create separate wiki page for each test case
|| [[#t15:31:51|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:10"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/62
|| [[#t15:32:10|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:25"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | and we can start to just implement it :)
|| [[#t15:32:25|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:47"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | alright, that would be it, I believe
|| [[#t15:32:47|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yay!
|| [[#t15:32:47|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: thanks for the updates ... anything you'd like to track here for next week?
|| [[#t15:33:01|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | nope, I would say it's complete (nearly) :)
|| [[#t15:33:33|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | awesome, nice work
|| [[#t15:33:41|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, the next planned topic I had was for AutoQA
|| [[#t15:33:54|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but we're low on AutoQA folks today
|| [[#t15:34:03|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:34:09|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: anything you'd like to note for this week?
|| [[#t15:34:16|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:19"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I can say a few words for jskladan
|| [[#t15:34:19|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: great, please go for it!
|| [[#t15:34:26|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:32"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | he created a test suite for resultdb API
|| [[#t15:34:32|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:45"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | and made some first draft of implementing the API
|| [[#t15:34:45|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:04"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | and of course the test suite failed, so he's now deep in solving the issues :)
|| [[#t15:35:04|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:37"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | but we could have some first attempts for API implementation soon
|| [[#t15:35:37|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:53"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | at least from what I caught
|| [[#t15:35:53|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:34"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok, as for other topics, no big development that I know of
|| [[#t15:36:34|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:58"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | so, let's move it to open discussion
|| [[#t15:36:58|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:09"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | #topic Open Floor
|| [[#t15:37:09|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:21"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | do you have anything you want to discuss today?
|| [[#t15:37:21|15:37]]
|- id="t15:39:05"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | how it happens that when I'm the chairman the meeting is always so fast? :)
|| [[#t15:39:05|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok, last minute and then I'll end the meeting
|| [[#t15:40:03|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | kparal: today there only few attendees
|| [[#t15:40:09|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | jeff_hann
| style="color: #818144" | *there are
|| [[#t15:40:16|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:31"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | jeff_hann: I see. everyone on holiday or something :)
|| [[#t15:40:31|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: you're much better at moving the meeting along than I am! :D
|| [[#t15:40:39|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:21"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska has mollases fingers
|| [[#t15:41:21|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:43"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok, so thanks everyone for comming in, have a nice day!
|| [[#t15:41:43|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:51"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:41:51|15:41]]
|}
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  • jlaska (91)
  • kparal (37)
  • jeff_hann (9)
  • damNageHack (8)
  • zodbot (4)
  • jskladan (3)
  • lmacken (3)
  • Viking-Ice (1)

Regrets:

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  • jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
    • Already completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!

See agenda below for additional follow-up items included in specific topics

Fedora 13 RC test status

Upcoming test milestones:

  • 2010-04-16 - Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Plan -- DELAYED, now INPROGRESS
  • 2010-04-23 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #2 (recap)
  • 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
  • 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
  • 2010-05-05 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #4
  • 2010-05-06 - Test 'Final' RC

Upcoming test days:

Recent test changes:

  • Adding i18n support to installation test plan (see details ticket#63)
Fedora 13 QA Retrospective
Ideas have already been coming in since F-13-Alpha. It's not too early to note QA issues you felt where handled well, or could have been improved. Your ideas will be used during F-14 QA goal planning. Voice your comments at Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective.

Proventesters check-in

Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in

AutoQA check-in

There has been a lot of AutoQA activities in recent weeks, jlaska asked the group to walk through some highlights.

  • Kparal provided some updates from jskladan on the results database efforts..
    • First draft of implementing the resultsdb API
    • Test suite for resultsdb API created

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Upcoming QA events

Action items

  1. current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
  2. jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting

IRC Transcript

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Apr 26 15:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Gathering critical mass ... 15:00
* jeff_hann is here 15:00
* kparal jumps straight into meeting 15:00
jlaska jeff_hann: kparal: howdy 15:00
jeff_hann howdee 15:00
* jskladan watching from the shadows 15:00
* jlaska tips hat towards jskladan 15:01
damNageHack hi 15:02
jlaska damNageHack: hello :) 15:02
jlaska wwoods: adamw: you guys around? 15:02
jlaska I don't think this time slot works great for maxamillion, but lemme check ... 15:03
jlaska I've got a conflict @ the half hour increment ... so let's get started 15:04
jlaska if we run over, I may need help closing out the proposed agenda items 15:04
jlaska Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090413.html 15:05
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:05
jlaska #info jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org 15:05
jlaska This was easy, thanks to the infrastructure team ... boot.fp.org should already have links to Fedora 13 beta 15:05
jlaska #info Completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure! 15:06
jlaska #info adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in 15:06
kparal jlaska: is it necessary to re-download the images? 15:06
jlaska kparal: good question ... I tested by downloading the images 15:07
jlaska so I don't know if the configs are pulled from the server, or are on the media 15:07
kparal ok 15:08
* kparal will test some day 15:08
jlaska kparal: that'll likely need a follow-up to #fedora-admin for guidance, I'm not sure 15:08
jlaska adamw and I spoke w/ lmacken last week, he is working to organize a lot of TRAC tickets into a bodhi-2.0 milestone 15:09
jlaska and expected to have that finished out in the next few weeks 15:09
jlaska bodhi-2.0 milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0 15:09
jlaska Some initial requirements gathering will also take place in the coming weeks 15:09
jlaska my understanding is this will be helpful for us so we can coordinate AutoQA dependencies and document/educate 'proventesters' on the QA workflow through bodhi 15:10
jlaska we had several other follow-up items, but I've moved those into specific topics below ... 15:10
jlaska so I'll dive in, unless anyone has other thoughts 15:11
* Viking-Ice sneaks in a bit late.. 15:11
jlaska Viking-Ice: welcome! 15:11
jlaska #topic Fedora 13 RC test status 15:11
jlaska #info the current deliverable I'm working on is the Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Run 15:12
jlaska a new anaconda was built, and given proper karma in bodhi to be available for Branched testing 15:12
jlaska it's an unusual worflow to run through an acceptanc test, but that's hopefully something we can work out post F-13 15:13
jlaska the Friday Branched compose failed to build due to deps, but it looks like things are okay today 15:13
jlaska I'll be posting a test summary to the list later this afternoon 15:13
jlaska #info there was a F13Blocker review last week - see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-04-23/fedora-bugzappers.2010-04-23-16.06.html 15:14
jlaska We can expect the following milestones this week ... 15:14
jlaska #info 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose 15:14
jlaska #info 2010-04-29 - PreUpgrade test day - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade 15:14
jlaska #info 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3 15:15
jlaska In other F-13 testing news, there have been some i18n test considerations under discussion 15:15
jlaska you may have see this already from a ticket mail to test@ 15:15
damNageHack how is a release critical bug marked in bugzilla? 15:16
jlaska damNageHack: to mark a bug as a release blocker, you add the blocks: F13Blocker 15:16
jlaska damNageHack: and add a quick statement indicating what release criteria are impacted by the bug 15:16
damNageHack k thx. i will not do such a thing. only for my information :) 15:16
jlaska damNageHack: no worries, folks are encouraged to escalate issues of concern 15:17
jlaska we've documented what are considered the most common release criteria at Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria 15:17
damNageHack i am thinking of the bug with gtk2 v2.19/2.20 + thunar/pcmanfm 15:17
kparal damNageHack: current blocker list is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507681&hide_resolved=1 15:17
jlaska however, there are always cases where bugs don't fit a criteria ... feel free to raise those issues on the mailing list, or #fedora-qa 15:18
damNageHack k tx 15:18
jlaska So lastly, if anyone wants to contribute to additional i18n tests ... feel free to add your thoughts to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/63 15:18
damNageHack i can see a lot of still open bugs :) 15:18
jlaska damNageHack: 18 non-MODIFIED bugs ... we have a lot of testing MODIFIED and ON_QA bugs to do 15:19
jlaska okay ... next agenda item ... 15:19
damNageHack i am sure, it can be done 15:19
damNageHack fedora has a high quality, i like that :) 15:20
jlaska damNageHack: glad to hear, we only get that because people contribute time to make it better ... so thank you! :) 15:20
jlaska #topic Proventesters check-in 15:20
jlaska We had 2 action items to follow-up on from last week 15:20
jlaska looks like maxamillion completed both of them 15:20
jlaska #info maxamillion - sent Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html) 15:21
jlaska #info maxamillion requested creation of proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114) 15:21
jlaska thanks maxamillion! :) 15:21
jlaska he's not around right now, but I was going to ask the obvious ... 15:22
jlaska what's next? 15:22
kparal now to populate the group 15:22
jlaska yeah, is it time to request applications to the group? 15:22
jlaska do we know how to evaluate and mentor applicants? 15:22
jlaska Has bodhi been changed to use 'proventester' FAS group, instead of 'qa' for critpath updates? 15:23
kparal the mentoring process could be described, yes 15:23
lmacken jlaska: I have myself CC'd to the proventesters infrastructure ticket, but it's still not completed, from what I can tell 15:23
lmacken once it's done, changing it in bodhi will be trivial 15:24
jeff_hann jlaska: what are the qualities required for someone to become a proventester? 15:24
jlaska lmacken: is this the ticket to create the group, or to change bodhi to use proventester group? 15:24
lmacken jlaska: to create the group... once it's created, I'll change it in bodhi 15:24
jlaska lmacken: eggsellent, thank you! 15:25
jlaska #action current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters' 15:25
* jskladan needs to leave now. see you around, gang! 15:25
jlaska jeff_hann: kparal yeah good suggestions 15:25
jlaska jskladan: take care! 15:25
jskladan jlaska: thanks, will do my best 15:26
jlaska kparal: jeff_hann: I can take an action to follow-up w/ maxamillion after the meeting 15:26
* kparal brb in 2min 15:26
jeff_hann jlaska: a page where the exact criteria needed would be useful 15:26
jlaska jeff_hann: yeah I agree 15:26
jlaska I believe we started that page a few weeks back, but that might just need to be refreshed 15:27
jeff_hann jlaska: and instructions as how/what to fill in TRAC 15:27
jlaska #info a page where exact criteria needed for proventesters would be useful 15:27
jlaska jeff_hann: in TRAC? 15:27
jlaska jeff_hann: oh for applying to the group? 15:27
jeff_hann jeff_hann: yeah 15:27
jlaska #info provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests 15:27
jlaska #action jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting 15:28
jlaska for any other ideas that come to folks, please feel free to reply to the meeting minutes I send out 15:28
jlaska next topic ... 15:28
jlaska #topic Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in 15:29
jeff_hann jlaska: of course, I would like to join the proventesters group; been slackin' recently. 15:29
* kparal back 15:29
jlaska kparal: hey, do you want to give an update on this topic? 15:29
kparal sure 15:29
jlaska #chair kparal 15:29
zodbot Current chairs: jlaska kparal 15:29
kparal #link User:Kparal/Proposal:Package_update_acceptance_test_plan 15:29
kparal so, I posted a few last questions about the test plan and a call for comments 15:30
kparal #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html 15:30
jlaska kparal: thanks for picking that back up ... I think I've got a few UNREAD's to read still on that thread 15:30
kparal from discussion with jlaska and jkeating I changed a few definitions 15:30
kparal so thanks for all comments 15:31
kparal I believe the test plan should be final now 15:31
* jlaska loves your test categories 15:31
kparal if no more comments come 15:31
jlaska mandatory, introspection, advisory :) 15:31
kparal one remaining item is to create separate wiki page for each test case 15:31
kparal #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/62 15:32
kparal and we can start to just implement it :) 15:32
kparal alright, that would be it, I believe 15:32
jlaska yay! 15:32
jlaska kparal: thanks for the updates ... anything you'd like to track here for next week? 15:33
kparal nope, I would say it's complete (nearly) :) 15:33
jlaska awesome, nice work 15:33
jlaska okay, the next planned topic I had was for AutoQA 15:33
jlaska but we're low on AutoQA folks today 15:34
jlaska #topic AutoQA update 15:34
jlaska kparal: anything you'd like to note for this week? 15:34
kparal I can say a few words for jskladan 15:34
jlaska kparal: great, please go for it! 15:34
kparal he created a test suite for resultdb API 15:34
kparal and made some first draft of implementing the API 15:34
kparal and of course the test suite failed, so he's now deep in solving the issues :) 15:35
kparal but we could have some first attempts for API implementation soon 15:35
kparal at least from what I caught 15:35
kparal ok, as for other topics, no big development that I know of 15:36
kparal so, let's move it to open discussion 15:36
kparal #topic Open Floor 15:37
kparal do you have anything you want to discuss today? 15:37
kparal how it happens that when I'm the chairman the meeting is always so fast? :) 15:39
kparal ok, last minute and then I'll end the meeting 15:40
jeff_hann kparal: today there only few attendees 15:40
jeff_hann *there are 15:40
kparal jeff_hann: I see. everyone on holiday or something :) 15:40
jlaska kparal: you're much better at moving the meeting along than I am! :D 15:40
* jlaska has mollases fingers 15:41
kparal ok, so thanks everyone for comming in, have a nice day! 15:41
kparal #endmeeting 15:41

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