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Attendees

People present (lines said):

jlaska (91)
kparal (37)
jeff_hann (9)
damNageHack (8)
zodbot (4)
jskladan (3)
lmacken (3)
Viking-Ice (1)

Regrets:

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org
- Already completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!

adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in
- lmacken organizing existing tickets into Bodhi-2.0 TRAC roadmap (see https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0). Expects to complete in next few weeks.

See agenda below for additional follow-up items included in specific topics

Fedora 13 RC test status

Upcoming test milestones:

2010-04-16 - Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Plan -- DELAYED, now INPROGRESS
2010-04-23 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #2 (recap)
2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
2010-05-05 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #4
2010-05-06 - Test 'Final' RC

Upcoming test days:

2010-04-29 - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade

Recent test changes:

Adding i18n support to installation test plan (see details ticket#63)

Fedora 13 QA Retrospective
Ideas have already been coming in since F-13-Alpha. It's not too early to note QA issues you felt where handled well, or could have been improved. Your ideas will be used during F-14 QA goal planning. Voice your comments at Fedora_13_QA_Retrospective.

Proventesters check-in

maxamillion - send Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html)
maxamillion - Request new proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114)
The team discussed possible next steps, including ...
- Recommending that current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
- Document exact criteria needed for proventesters
- Provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests (for sample, see similar https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/newtplticket)

Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in

Kparal sent request for final review at http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html
If no additional feedback, test plan will be finalized this week
Next steps ...
- Remove draft status
- Document each test case (see ticket#62)

AutoQA check-in

There has been a lot of AutoQA activities in recent weeks, jlaska asked the group to walk through some highlights.

Kparal provided some updates from jskladan on the results database efforts..
- First draft of implementing the resultsdb API
- Test suite for resultsdb API created

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Upcoming QA events

2010-01-21 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #1
2010-01-28 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #2
2010-02-04 - Pre-Alpha Rawhide Acceptance Test Plan #3
2010-02-04 - NFSv4 Test Day
2010-02-05 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #1 (recap)
2010-02-11 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose' (boot media testing)
2010-02-12 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #2 (recap)
2010-02-12 - Alpha Test Candidate verification (announcement)
2010-02-18 - Alpha Release Candidate verification
2010-02-18 - Color Management test day
2010-02-19 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (F13Alpha) #3 (recap)
2010-02-24 - Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
2010-02-25 - Yum Langpack plugin test day
2010-03-10 - Pre-Beta Acceptance Test Plan #1
2010-03-12 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #1 (recap)
2010-03-18 - Gnome Disk Utility Storage Test Day
2010-03-18 - Test Beta 'Test Compose' DELAYED
2010-03-19 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #2 (recap)
2010-03-25 - Test Beta Candidate
2010-03-25 - Printing Test Day
2010-03-26 - Beta Blocker Meeting (F13Beta) #3
2010-03-30 - SSSD by default Test Day
2010-03-31 - Beta Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day
2010-04-08 - Virtualization Test Day
2010-04-13 - Test_Day:2010-04-13_Nouveau
2010-04-14 - Test_Day:2010-04-14_Radeon
2010-04-15 - Test_Day:2010-04-15_Intel
2010-04-16 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #1 (recap)
2010-04-16 - Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Plan - DELAYED (see RHBZ #581794)
2010-04-22 - Test_Day:2010-04-22_StorageFiltering
2010-04-23 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #2 (recap)
WE ARE HERE
2010-04-29 - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade
2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose
2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3
2010-05-05 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #4
2010-05-06 - Test 'Final' RC

Action items

current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'
jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Apr 26 15:00:08 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Gathering critical mass ...	15:00
* jeff_hann is here		15:00
* kparal jumps straight into meeting		15:00
jlaska	jeff_hann: kparal: howdy	15:00
jeff_hann	howdee	15:00
* jskladan watching from the shadows		15:00
* jlaska tips hat towards jskladan		15:01
damNageHack	hi	15:02
jlaska	damNageHack: hello :)	15:02
jlaska	wwoods: adamw: you guys around?	15:02
jlaska	I don't think this time slot works great for maxamillion, but lemme check ...	15:03
jlaska	I've got a conflict @ the half hour increment ... so let's get started	15:04
jlaska	if we run over, I may need help closing out the proposed agenda items	15:04
jlaska	Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090413.html	15:05
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:05
jlaska	#info jlaska + fenris02 to review whether F-13-Beta is an option for boot.fedoraproject.org	15:05
jlaska	This was easy, thanks to the infrastructure team ... boot.fp.org should already have links to Fedora 13 beta	15:05
jlaska	#info Completed by the infrastructure team, yay infrastructure!	15:06
jlaska	#info adamw + jlaska - Bodhi QA workflow status check-in	15:06
kparal	jlaska: is it necessary to re-download the images?	15:06
jlaska	kparal: good question ... I tested by downloading the images	15:07
jlaska	so I don't know if the configs are pulled from the server, or are on the media	15:07
kparal	ok	15:08
* kparal will test some day		15:08
jlaska	kparal: that'll likely need a follow-up to #fedora-admin for guidance, I'm not sure	15:08
jlaska	adamw and I spoke w/ lmacken last week, he is working to organize a lot of TRAC tickets into a bodhi-2.0 milestone	15:09
jlaska	and expected to have that finished out in the next few weeks	15:09
jlaska	bodhi-2.0 milestone - https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/milestone/2.0	15:09
jlaska	Some initial requirements gathering will also take place in the coming weeks	15:09
jlaska	my understanding is this will be helpful for us so we can coordinate AutoQA dependencies and document/educate 'proventesters' on the QA workflow through bodhi	15:10
jlaska	we had several other follow-up items, but I've moved those into specific topics below ...	15:10
jlaska	so I'll dive in, unless anyone has other thoughts	15:11
* Viking-Ice sneaks in a bit late..		15:11
jlaska	Viking-Ice: welcome!	15:11
jlaska	#topic Fedora 13 RC test status	15:11
jlaska	#info the current deliverable I'm working on is the Pre-RC Branched Acceptance Test Run	15:12
jlaska	a new anaconda was built, and given proper karma in bodhi to be available for Branched testing	15:12
jlaska	it's an unusual worflow to run through an acceptanc test, but that's hopefully something we can work out post F-13	15:13
jlaska	the Friday Branched compose failed to build due to deps, but it looks like things are okay today	15:13
jlaska	I'll be posting a test summary to the list later this afternoon	15:13
jlaska	#info there was a F13Blocker review last week - see http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-bugzappers/2010-04-23/fedora-bugzappers.2010-04-23-16.06.html	15:14
jlaska	We can expect the following milestones this week ...	15:14
jlaska	#info 2010-04-29 - Test 'Final' Test Compose	15:14
jlaska	#info 2010-04-29 - PreUpgrade test day - Test_Day:2010-04-29_Preupgrade	15:14
jlaska	#info 2010-04-30 - Final Blocker Meeting (f13blocker) #3	15:15
jlaska	In other F-13 testing news, there have been some i18n test considerations under discussion	15:15
jlaska	you may have see this already from a ticket mail to test@	15:15
damNageHack	how is a release critical bug marked in bugzilla?	15:16
jlaska	damNageHack: to mark a bug as a release blocker, you add the blocks: F13Blocker	15:16
jlaska	damNageHack: and add a quick statement indicating what release criteria are impacted by the bug	15:16
damNageHack	k thx. i will not do such a thing. only for my information :)	15:16
jlaska	damNageHack: no worries, folks are encouraged to escalate issues of concern	15:17
jlaska	we've documented what are considered the most common release criteria at Fedora_13_Final_Release_Criteria	15:17
damNageHack	i am thinking of the bug with gtk2 v2.19/2.20 + thunar/pcmanfm	15:17
kparal	damNageHack: current blocker list is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507681&hide_resolved=1	15:17
jlaska	however, there are always cases where bugs don't fit a criteria ... feel free to raise those issues on the mailing list, or #fedora-qa	15:18
damNageHack	k tx	15:18
jlaska	So lastly, if anyone wants to contribute to additional i18n tests ... feel free to add your thoughts to https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/63	15:18
damNageHack	i can see a lot of still open bugs :)	15:18
jlaska	damNageHack: 18 non-MODIFIED bugs ... we have a lot of testing MODIFIED and ON_QA bugs to do	15:19
jlaska	okay ... next agenda item ...	15:19
damNageHack	i am sure, it can be done	15:19
damNageHack	fedora has a high quality, i like that :)	15:20
jlaska	damNageHack: glad to hear, we only get that because people contribute time to make it better ... so thank you! :)	15:20
jlaska	#topic Proventesters check-in	15:20
jlaska	We had 2 action items to follow-up on from last week	15:20
jlaska	looks like maxamillion completed both of them	15:20
jlaska	#info maxamillion - sent Proventester draft to test@l.fp.org for final review (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090252.html)	15:21
jlaska	#info maxamillion requested creation of proventester FAS group (see https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/2114)	15:21
jlaska	thanks maxamillion! :)	15:21
jlaska	he's not around right now, but I was going to ask the obvious ...	15:22
jlaska	what's next?	15:22
kparal	now to populate the group	15:22
jlaska	yeah, is it time to request applications to the group?	15:22
jlaska	do we know how to evaluate and mentor applicants?	15:22
jlaska	Has bodhi been changed to use 'proventester' FAS group, instead of 'qa' for critpath updates?	15:23
kparal	the mentoring process could be described, yes	15:23
lmacken	jlaska: I have myself CC'd to the proventesters infrastructure ticket, but it's still not completed, from what I can tell	15:23
lmacken	once it's done, changing it in bodhi will be trivial	15:24
jeff_hann	jlaska: what are the qualities required for someone to become a proventester?	15:24
jlaska	lmacken: is this the ticket to create the group, or to change bodhi to use proventester group?	15:24
lmacken	jlaska: to create the group... once it's created, I'll change it in bodhi	15:24
jlaska	lmacken: eggsellent, thank you!	15:25
jlaska	#action current members of the 'qa' group ... apply to 'proventesters'	15:25
* jskladan needs to leave now. see you around, gang!		15:25
jlaska	jeff_hann: kparal yeah good suggestions	15:25
jlaska	jskladan: take care!	15:25
jskladan	jlaska: thanks, will do my best	15:26
jlaska	kparal: jeff_hann: I can take an action to follow-up w/ maxamillion after the meeting	15:26
* kparal brb in 2min		15:26
jeff_hann	jlaska: a page where the exact criteria needed would be useful	15:26
jlaska	jeff_hann: yeah I agree	15:26
jlaska	I believe we started that page a few weeks back, but that might just need to be refreshed	15:27
jeff_hann	jlaska: and instructions as how/what to fill in TRAC	15:27
jlaska	#info a page where exact criteria needed for proventesters would be useful	15:27
jlaska	jeff_hann: in TRAC?	15:27
jlaska	jeff_hann: oh for applying to the group?	15:27
jeff_hann	jeff_hann: yeah	15:27
jlaska	#info provide a TRAC ticket template for mentor requests	15:27
jlaska	#action jlaska to follow-up w/ maxamillion after meeting	15:28
jlaska	for any other ideas that come to folks, please feel free to reply to the meeting minutes I send out	15:28
jlaska	next topic ...	15:28
jlaska	#topic Package Acceptance Test Plan check-in	15:29
jeff_hann	jlaska: of course, I would like to join the proventesters group; been slackin' recently.	15:29
* kparal back		15:29
jlaska	kparal: hey, do you want to give an update on this topic?	15:29
kparal	sure	15:29
jlaska	#chair kparal	15:29
zodbot	Current chairs: jlaska kparal	15:29
kparal	#link User:Kparal/Proposal:Package_update_acceptance_test_plan	15:29
kparal	so, I posted a few last questions about the test plan and a call for comments	15:30
kparal	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-April/090287.html	15:30
jlaska	kparal: thanks for picking that back up ... I think I've got a few UNREAD's to read still on that thread	15:30
kparal	from discussion with jlaska and jkeating I changed a few definitions	15:30
kparal	so thanks for all comments	15:31
kparal	I believe the test plan should be final now	15:31
* jlaska loves your test categories		15:31
kparal	if no more comments come	15:31
jlaska	mandatory, introspection, advisory :)	15:31
kparal	one remaining item is to create separate wiki page for each test case	15:31
kparal	#link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/62	15:32
kparal	and we can start to just implement it :)	15:32
kparal	alright, that would be it, I believe	15:32
jlaska	yay!	15:32
jlaska	kparal: thanks for the updates ... anything you'd like to track here for next week?	15:33
kparal	nope, I would say it's complete (nearly) :)	15:33
jlaska	awesome, nice work	15:33
jlaska	okay, the next planned topic I had was for AutoQA	15:33
jlaska	but we're low on AutoQA folks today	15:34
jlaska	#topic AutoQA update	15:34
jlaska	kparal: anything you'd like to note for this week?	15:34
kparal	I can say a few words for jskladan	15:34
jlaska	kparal: great, please go for it!	15:34
kparal	he created a test suite for resultdb API	15:34
kparal	and made some first draft of implementing the API	15:34
kparal	and of course the test suite failed, so he's now deep in solving the issues :)	15:35
kparal	but we could have some first attempts for API implementation soon	15:35
kparal	at least from what I caught	15:35
kparal	ok, as for other topics, no big development that I know of	15:36
kparal	so, let's move it to open discussion	15:36
kparal	#topic Open Floor	15:37
kparal	do you have anything you want to discuss today?	15:37
kparal	how it happens that when I'm the chairman the meeting is always so fast? :)	15:39
kparal	ok, last minute and then I'll end the meeting	15:40
jeff_hann	kparal: today there only few attendees	15:40
jeff_hann	*there are	15:40
kparal	jeff_hann: I see. everyone on holiday or something :)	15:40
jlaska	kparal: you're much better at moving the meeting along than I am! :D	15:40
* jlaska has mollases fingers		15:41
kparal	ok, so thanks everyone for comming in, have a nice day!	15:41
kparal	#endmeeting	15:41

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