ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-jan-28

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-28

Upcoming Alpha Release

• Still working on building Alpha
• Most of Alpha blocker bugs have been addressed: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703
• Unaddressed bugs will be added to known issues list for the Alpha release notes
• If we do not have good trees to hand to IS by the evening of 2008-01-29 we slip alpha release again
• slip just for pushing the bits around, but not for fixing anything else

IRC Transcript

-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - F9 Alpha		14:30
f13	ping: warren jwb rdieter wwoods spot jeremy notting	14:30
notting	/me is here	14:30
jwb	sort of here	14:30
* wwoods here		14:31
f13	aight that's enough to get started.	14:31
f13	Here's my current known F9 Alpha status.	14:31
f13	1) waiting on a firstboot build that puts firstboot modules in arch specific python dir, as the firstboot package itself is arch specific, and this is screwing with anaconda's mind when it decides what modules to put in stage2	14:32
f13	it's likely we'll need a more elegant solution here in the future, but in the interest of getting the Alpha out, we need this.  Without it, we get bizarre messages during install about loading the keyboard selection window.	14:32
f13	2) I just tagged the latest dhcpclient package as it fixes some sigabrts during install and some stuff post-install.  I have to manually multilib it in a local repo for me to compose against it.	14:33
f13	3) once those are done, I'm going to make another set of trees to play with, and point lmacken at it so he can make live isos.	14:33
* rdieter sneaks in, half here.		14:34
notting	how bad is the livecd size situation?	14:34
f13	lmacken: ?	14:35
f13	ah, forgot to ping lmacken	14:35
lmacken	it shrunk 2mb since the first spin!	14:35
f13	hah.	14:35
lmacken	I sent another status to fedora-devel-list yesterday with some stats	14:35
lmacken	notting: including shrinkage, which you asked for	14:35
lmacken	but yeah, we need to do some serious chipping away at deps	14:35
f13	lmacken: the problem is we have serious little time.	14:36
lmacken	are we blocking alpha on generating cd-sized isos ?	14:36
f13	lmacken: we target CD sized isos for at least the i686 Fedora Live image	14:37
lmacken	right now, KDE is fine.. it's our main desktop spin that is a bit chunky.	14:37
f13	(gnome desktop)	14:37
lmacken	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 712M 2008-01-26 01:18 F9-Alpha-i686-20080126.0.iso	14:37
lmacken	hopefully it won't be *too* hard to get that under for alpha	14:37
f13	lmacken: see if you can get ahold of jeremy to lend some chipping hands.  I see him hitting mail right now	14:38
lmacken	f13: will do	14:38
notting	lmacken: is the image posted somewhere?	14:39
f13	also, in the interest of saving bandwidth and disk space, I plan to cut some corners with the release.	14:39
f13	1) no source isos.	14:39
f13	2) no Everything tree	14:39
f13	does anybody have any objections to that?	14:39
notting	we did #2 last cycle, right?	14:39
lmacken	notting: not externally.. you can grab it from http://erebor.boston/live though	14:39
f13	notting: correct.	14:40
notting	f13: did we do #1?	14:41
f13	I don't think so.	14:41
f13	but let me double check	14:41
f13	notting: we did #1, but it was with only DVD, not split source mediea.	14:41
f13	media	14:41
f13	to be honest, I don't even know if that code in pungi still runs correctly	14:42
notting	f13: but we only did dvd media	14:42
notting	so, this really isn't a change	14:42
f13	notting: I wouldn't be producing /any/ source iso, nor a source/ package tree	14:43
notting	eh, producing source media keeps us out of too much grey arey legally	14:43
notting	s/media/isos/	14:43
f13	except we don't have anywhere on the binary isos that mentions anything about getting the source	14:44
f13	if I have to produce tree/iso of the alpha, we will likely miss Thursday release.	14:45
poelcat	what are we doing about these before thursday? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=428703&hide_resolved=1	14:45
notting	f13: i'm not sure what having an offer has to do with it. having the isos in the same place makes things more sane	14:45
f13	poelcat: turning it into a Known Issues list.	14:45
f13	notting: I don't believe that it has to be in iso format, at all.	14:46
notting	also, i'm finding the idea of each release being 'what can we cut out to get it out by the deadline' icky	14:46
poelcat	f13: some of those need to be fixed for automated installer testing	14:46
f13	poelcat: then we have to slip the release, and frankly...	14:47
f13	poelcat: that first one is fixed by the dhcpclient I talked about earlier	14:47
notting	also, 429937 causes the release to fail from the 'can install and get updates' standpoint	14:47
f13	428893 is already fixed with e2fsprogs I already tagged	14:47
f13	notting: and there is nobody looking at it.  So do we just sit on the Alpha until somebody does?	14:48
wwoods	it's not reproduceable, is the problem	14:49
wwoods	I've been trying for days	14:49
f13	right, I haven't seen it at all either	14:49
wwoods	I've seen it	14:49
f13	and I'm OK with that for Alpha.  We miss some targets.	14:49
wwoods	but I can't make it happen anymore	14:49
notting	f13: that depends on how often it happens, how reproducible is it, etc.	14:49
wwoods	and I can't figure out how I triggered it in the first place	14:49
notting	f13: and frankly, if no one's looking at it, that's a problem	14:49
poelcat	which bug is not reproducable?	14:49
wwoods	bug 429937\	14:49
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429937 low, low, ---, Peter Jones, ASSIGNED , Can't find root on initial boot after install	14:49
f13	https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429937	14:49
buggbot	Bug 429937: low, low, ---, Peter Jones, ASSIGNED , Can't find root on initial boot after install	14:49
wwoods	that's a really, really vague bug	14:50
wwoods	in my experience it was because I had installed onto an encrypted PV	14:50
wwoods	except the initrd didn't include the cryptsetup stuff	14:50
f13	which I've done every single time I tested	14:50
wwoods	f13: right	14:50
wwoods	same	14:50
f13	(in gui/vnc mode that is)	14:50
f13	also, there are no dupes attached	14:51
warren	shoot	14:52
warren	forgot about the meeting today	14:52
f13	poelcat: looking at the list, most of these are already fixed, don't care for Alpha, or can't reproduce to fix.	14:53
f13	I'll adjust some states later.	14:53
f13	notting: how do you feel about just making a source tree, and not source isos?	14:54
f13	it's not like the source isos are anything other than big tarballs.  There is no repodata, there is no other bits.	14:54
notting	f13: have you verified 429713?	14:54
notting	f13: why is there a big difference in producing source.isos vs a source tree?	14:55
f13	notting: doubles the amount of data to be transferred	14:55
poelcat	what about bug 429939	14:55
buggbot	Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429939 low, low, ---, Anaconda Maintenance Team, NEW , selinux enabled in kickstart causes system to panic on first boot	14:55
f13	notting: no, I haven't, I'll add that to the list of packages to pull in.  I missed that.	14:56
f13	notting: it's tagged, I just haven't tested it.	14:56
f13	er, no.	14:56
f13	looking at the wrong build.	14:56
notting	f13: source tree is ok. i was thinking it was either/or, not both	14:57
f13	notting: ah ok.	15:03
wwoods	poelcat: pretty sure that was an selinux bug that's already been fixed	15:04
f13	anywho, unless there is anything else, I'd like to get back to work.	15:04
f13	if I don't have good trees to hand to IS by tonight/tomorrow, we gotta slip again, but slip just for pushing the bits around, not for fixing anything else.	15:05
poelcat	wwoods: cool	15:05
wwoods	I haven't been able to test the alpha tree much at all	15:06
wwoods	what's the difference between it and current rawhide?	15:06
notting	wwoods: for anaconda? not much. for the package set? a lot.	15:07
wwoods	yeah, I constructed the alpha tree by rsyncing it over a copy of rawhide	15:08
wwoods	plenty of package changes	15:08
wwoods	we'll see what's goin' on soon enough	15:08
wwoods	I just did a kickstart install with selinux turned on.. system boots fine	15:09
f13	wwoods: I pointed you at my alpha compose right?	15:09
wwoods	f13: yeah	15:09
f13	k	15:09
notting	tbh, i'm more concerned about X being a giant vat of suck at the moment. but not much we cna do about that	15:09
wwoods	I'm using .2	15:10
wwoods	lemme know when .3 is ready	15:10
f13	k	15:10
wwoods	and/or whether I should care	15:10
f13	wwoods: will do.  .3 is actually transient, we'll be looking for .4	15:10
wwoods	good to know	15:10
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Open Discussion		15:14
f13	is there anything, if not, we're done and I get back to work (:	15:14
notting	the reversing of streams is still on the schedule for next week	15:16
skvidal	can we cross the streams/	15:19
skvidal	?	15:19
notting	that would be bad	15:19
f13	ok, calling it.  THanks all.	15:28

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