Meeting:Community Architecture 2010-06-21

Roll call

Max, Ian, Mel, Karsten

Topics

spevack	quaid, ianweller, mchua_afk: ping -- when everyone is here, we'll start	12:59
* spevack is in no particular rush. though I have famsco in 1 hr		12:59
ianweller	hi	12:59
quaid	ok, I'm just translocating to somewhere good for a phone call :)	13:00
ianweller	i am almost using all of the tags on both of my desktops. what is happening	13:00
quaid	tags?	13:00
ianweller	quaid: have you seen the awesome window manager?	13:00
... nick!mchua_afk -> mchua		13:02
* mchua back		13:02
* ianweller front		13:02
* mchua left		13:02
* ianweller side to side		13:02
* mchua right, to balance out a bit		13:02
* ianweller upside down		13:02
* mchua inverted		13:02
mchua	spevack: Are we here, or on the phone?	13:02
spevack	we're here	13:03
spevack	just waiting on quaid	13:03
mchua	oh, okay.	13:03
ianweller	there are certain people who make friday-list enjoyable. colby hoke is one of those	13:04
spevack	hmm, i think we'll get started at :10 regardless	13:07
* mchua nods		13:07
mchua	I think quaid thought we were calling, from his last message.	13:07
* spevack texted quaid		13:07
quaid	oi	13:09
spevack	hey quaid sorry if you thought we were on the phone	13:09
quaid	now I'm confused	13:09
quaid	oh, I'm not	13:09
quaid	it's IRC!	13:09
quaid	ok	13:09
* quaid puts down his phone, slowly		13:09
quaid	I wasn't dialed in yet, just being slow	13:09
* quaid *ready*		13:10
spevack	how's everyone doing?	13:10
quaid	ianweller: I haven't seem awesome yet except maybe a screenshot	13:10
spevack	Our agenda:	13:10
quaid	spevack: pretty great	13:10
quaid	happy summer everyone	13:10
spevack	* General chatting for a few mins	13:10
spevack	* July travel	13:10
spevack	* Goals	13:10
spevack	* Your topics, if any	13:11
ianweller	* Ian is rebuilding commarch.usersys so expect downtime	13:11
* mchua has a update dump she can post here whenever it is time		13:11
spevack	right -- so ianweller is out of RDU from Wed - July, so we were thinking to rebuild commarch.usersys this afternoon and tomorrow, if that's ok with quaid and mchua	13:11
spevack	based on the doc ianweller wrote up last week	13:11
* mchua nods, sounds awesome.		13:11
quaid	go for it	13:12
spevack	ok.	13:12
spevack	so expect that box to go down sometime after this meeting	13:12
quaid	you all gots the mad skills, but I'll be on backup for any "oh, yeah!" moments :)	13:12
spevack	thanks quaid	13:12
spevack	mchua: how are you? exhausted, feeling a big weight off your shoulders, etc?	13:12
ianweller	quaid: :)	13:12
* mchua grins		13:13
mchua	Oh, I am feeling *good.*	13:13
mchua	https://www.redhat.com/mailman/private/community-architecture-list/2010-June/msg00104.html	13:13
mchua	I was going to dump that in channel but that seems more prudent, it's my full update.	13:13
mchua	I'm backlogging myself outta POSSE and expense reports right now.	13:14
spevack	mchua: I've put my estimate for your expense reports at $7k.	13:14
spevack	quaid and ianweller can choose the over or the under	13:14
spevack	whoever is closest gets $1 USD	13:14
quaid	mchua: you getting used to spending money yet?	13:14
ianweller	do you actually want a guess?	13:15
mchua	I shudder at the expense-reports task, I think it will take me a full day to balance the books.	13:15
spevack	ianweller: yes	13:15
mchua	quaid: More used to it, yeah. :) Better able to handle it... well, I think I'm learning.	13:15
spevack	mchua: take the time to get it done, and get it done right. Remember that helping manage that money is as important a part of your job as anything else.	13:15
* mchua nods. I definitely want to keep doing it / do more of it, because it's something I do want to get good at.		13:16
* quaid lets ianweller guess first		13:16
ianweller	quaid: damn	13:16
ianweller	um	13:16
mchua	I'm not particularly good at it yet. Not disciplined enough.	13:16
mchua	But learning! Learning!	13:16
ianweller	spevack: you said $7k?	13:16
spevack	yeah	13:16
ianweller	this is for both POSSEs?	13:16
spevack	it's for all expenses Mel needs to file.	13:16
ianweller	hmm	13:16
ianweller	i'm gonna go with $7.3k	13:17
spevack	mchua: definitely no worries taking Wednesday for yourself. Take Friday too if you want it :)	13:17
mchua	we'll see :)	13:17
spevack	quaid: you doing well? good weekend and all? Did the US Open tourists invade all the way up to Santa Cruz?	13:18
* mchua is getting caught up on POSSE followup before the POSSE meeting tomorrow afternoon, and finishing expense reports before taking Wednesday off; everything else will be 2nd half of the week.		13:18
quaid	spevack: probably, but I only use backroads on the weekend and didn't notice	13:19
quaid	not like when the AMGEN Tour takes over downtown :)	13:19
quaid	then I reckon I choose the under-$7k	13:19
spevack	so while we're talking about Santa Cruz,	13:19
spevack	http://commarch.usersys.redhat.com/wiki/FY11_VIP_travel#July_2010_team_meet-up	13:19
quaid	oh, yeah	13:19
spevack	Looks like this is all pretty much together. Ian decided over the weekend that he's better off coming back to Raleigh for that week though,	13:19
quaid	let's capture that data in a note before you shutdown the box ..	13:20
spevack	which simplifies our hotel needs.	13:20
quaid	rly? ok	13:20
spevack	quaid: yeah, i'll capture that page before we take the box down, so that updates can continue	13:20
quaid	how about mchua, do you know when you are arriving?	13:20
* quaid takes a copy for himself so he can work on stuff today		13:20
mchua	quaid, I can come in as early as you'll tolerate me - I can rental-car a day or two, then return it when spevack and ianweller arrive so spevack can rent the More Other Cheaper I Am Over 25 car.	13:20
mchua	quaid: I'd like to sit down and work with you on POSSE CA, and wrap my head around summer coding and where it'll tie in to our edu strategy over the next school year and summer (USA) '11.	13:21
quaid	mchua: s'ok, I'm ready to sponsor folks here for any timeframe	13:22
quaid	we can work it out when you are doing your JUly booking in the next 24	13:22
* mchua nods, I'll try to get here early enough so that we can have all of monday for that sort of thing		13:22
mchua	but yeah, later, when I book	13:22
spevack	ok, so we'll move that discussion to the list to sort out the rest.	13:23
mchua	no need to take up max & ian's time with it too :)	13:23
spevack	but at least we all now know that it's happening	13:23
spevack	which was important to get settled.	13:23
mchua	do we know what we want to do during that time? Or is that another 'later' topic?	13:23
spevack	mchua: well, funny you should mention that....	13:23
* mchua wants in n' out, but is otherwise fairly flexible ;)		13:23
spevack	because the rest of our meeting today is to discuss our goals	13:23
ianweller	+1	13:23
spevack	if y'all could pull up the note i sent on thursday	13:24
spevack	to the commarch list	13:24
ianweller	ah, the goals list?	13:24
spevack	Subject "Team Homework for Monday"	13:24
spevack	I'd like to discuss some of the stuff I wrote in there.	13:24
spevack	I view our team as operating on multiple-year story arcs, and not ones in which we have all new goals every 12 months	13:25
spevack	Thus, a number of these things are continuations of larger tentpole goals that we set a year ago or more.	13:25
spevack	But it's an attempt to clarify what we consider most important in these areas between now and next February	13:25
spevack	and also to note in writing that we've already been doing some of this stuff since March 1 of this year.	13:26
spevack	So, I listed 4 questions:	13:26
spevack	i'd like to hear anything that folks have to say about those topics, or whatever.	13:26
* spevack listens		13:26
quaid	I have an ack'd problem with being able to write SMART goals, fwiw ...	13:27
* mchua has never *tried* to write SMART goals, so may have a problem too.		13:27
quaid	just sayin'	13:27
spevack	i guess these are pseudo-smart goals	13:27
spevack	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteria	13:27
quaid	well, we want to be somewhat alignable with all those SMART-dorks :)	13:27
spevack	quaid: well, i think the 4 discussion topics can let us discuss that stuff without adopting all the SMART baggage.	13:28
ianweller	i have never seen the SMART criteria before	13:28
spevack	(1) What parts of this do you like? What parts do you think are too vague, or need to be more firm?	13:28
spevack	(2) How do you feel about scope? Are we biting off more than we can chew?	13:28
spevack	(3) Which sections do you see yourself as having primary accountability for, either because you already do, or because you'd like to?	13:28
spevack	(4) Does this set of goals inspire you, and make you feel like we're providing value to our communities and to Red Hat?	13:28
quaid	ianweller: yeah, corpspeak	13:28
spevack	quaid: forget corptalk. what did you think as you read that page over?	13:28
quaid	yeah, so my goal washiness makes me want to start at the bottom of the list.	13:28
spevack	quaid: the floor is yours	13:29
quaid	k	13:29
* mchua queues up comments while listening to quai		13:29
* mchua sticks 'd' at the end of last sentence		13:29
quaid	I'm feeling that we are getting in to a stride with a few items that really need that time	13:29
quaid	education in particular	13:29
quaid	and that continues to be inspiring and keep me up at night	13:29
quaid	(you know, double-edged sword)	13:29
quaid	I'm ... having that feeling that we want to be kicking off a new meme ..	13:30
quaid	but maybe I'm spoiled :)	13:30
quaid	and we can leave that for a bit, to work on the ones we have already	13:30
spevack	quaid: can you elaborate. What do you mean?	13:30
quaid	so .. summary ... yeah, inspiring and pretty clear value to RHT and communities	13:30
quaid	spevack: I've been getting used to us, as a team, being able to kick up 2 to 4 brand new cool things a year	13:31
quaid	POSSE, TOSW, TOS, textbook, etc.	13:31
spevack	quaid: ah, you wonder "where's the brand new stuff"	13:31
quaid	is that datanommer?	13:31
quaid	spevack: yeah, sosueme	13:31
spevack	:)	13:31
quaid	I'm always aware that we don't have _room_ for a shiny new thing	13:32
quaid	but I want to start envisioning on it and stuff -- maybe that's for the July meeting	13:32
spevack	well, I think the summer coding stuff is new, certainly with the approach you've taken.	13:32
spevack	quaid: sure	13:32
quaid	+ staff additions for new idea pool.	13:32
quaid	heh, I guess summer coding has lost its shine for me, I forget how fresh that is :D	13:32
* quaid not negative, just you know .. shine doesn't look so shiny inside.		13:32
* spevack understands		13:32
quaid	so I'll answer 3 and pause ...	13:33
quaid	I think I'm still on summer coding, I added some stuff there recently if you all haven't seen	13:33
spevack	quaid: i've seen you express interest in taking the lead on textbook	13:33
quaid	we went ahead and put "sponsors required to provide staff to help run the program" in the summer coding sponsorship request, which I hope isn't a deal breaker.	13:33
quaid	yeah, someone has to do 0.9 by the fall	13:34
quaid	so I'm just thinking of pressing on that release in particular	13:34
spevack	i appreciate you taking that initiative	13:34
quaid	leaving the longer term picture still open	13:34
quaid	sure, and I like it -- that's a fun project :)	13:34
quaid	I want to NOT ask gregdek about his plans there for now, to keep him from answering too soon	13:35
quaid	it's a good time on TOS list to work on this, I think	13:35
quaid	finally, TOSW	13:35
quaid	I want to start ramping back up a bit on time there, see if i can pull it from summer coding now.	13:35
spevack	i agree -- I'll save my textbook thoughts for the TOS list also :)	13:36
quaid	POSSE Cali 2011 planning :)	13:36
quaid	</>	13:36
spevack	quaid: how do you feel about some of the more specific things that i tried to put under TOSW goals	13:36
spevack	there's both internal and external components to that	13:36
quaid	right	13:37
quaid	I'm not positive about how we get cloud and virt in there ...	13:38
quaid	unless that means getting others who are selling that to use TOSW references?	13:38
spevack	quaid: I see it as a couple of things:	13:38
spevack	(1) Ensuring Cloud SIG doesn't die, and getting Smooge and Justin Forbes to be the real leaders there	13:39
* quaid cool on internal, needs to figure out a roadmap to get all that done, but those are all things I continue to agree with.		13:39
spevack	(2) Getting SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, EXTERNALLY to use deltacloud successfully and tell that story.	13:39
... nick!stickster_afk -> stickster		13:40
quaid	I don't see the intersection with TOSW-the-handbook? My feeling is that it's too techy already, it doesn't need more cloud virt foo.	13:40
spevack	quaid: i guess I see it as an application of TOSW?	13:40
mchua	for the record, mmorsi (who works on deltacloud for RHT) was at the POSSE panel at FOSSCon on Saturday, and is interested in the edu space.	13:40
spevack	Applied TOSW	13:40
quaid	ah!!	13:40
quaid	sorta like I've failed to with SPICE and had less-than-moderate success with FreeIPA?	13:41
mchua	So y'all might ping him as a bridge, and see if you can use that as an excuse... maybe the workshop thing with alolita makes a good excuse?	13:41
quaid	spevack: if it's about intersecting with RHT engineering, I give up before I start.	13:41
mchua	There's plenty of interest in cloud from academia, both from a "we, uni sysadmins, want this for our own infrastructure" side and the "we want to teach our students how to do this stuff" side.	13:41
spevack	quaid: I'd rephrase by saying "we've tried this in a few different areas with zero-to-mild success and we're going to try again"	13:41
quaid	until the PRD includes "Step 0, consult TOSW"	13:42
spevack	quaid: i don't think it has to be. I think it can be done in the Fedora space	13:42
spevack	2 goals:	13:42
spevack	(1) Cloud SIG does stuff with Smooge and jforbes leading, and community opportunities	13:42
spevack	(2) Spacewalk guys, who are already using EC2, integrate deltacloud into that.	13:42
mchua	I would actually be keen on doing that, but I'd need to offload some of my other stuff for it... if I could get an intern to wrangle POSSE infrastructure code dev and buffer a lot of individual POSSE profs' classes, I think I might be able to. (And if I don't take on Summer Coding for another 6-8 mo while this starts rolling.)	13:43
* mchua has been wanting to do something that forces her to interface with RHT engineering and actually pull out / learn tech chops for a bit.		13:43
quaid	is smooge hesitant?	13:43
* spevack nods, realizing that balancing all this work, and staffing, are key next steps		13:43
spevack	i don't think he is -- i think he's just waiting for opportunity	13:44
quaid	spacewalk I think are independent enough, we can reason with them ...	13:44
quaid	virt folks, most of them *wrote* TOSW	13:44
quaid	so ,,,	13:45
quaid	maybe this is more about Fedora Marketing to get visibility to the tech?	13:45
mchua	I can totally help from that side. :)	13:45
quaid	the projects are run fine, they are being noisy, etc. but they need a marketing campaign on the community side	13:45
spevack	quaid: you've hit on a key sort of thing.	13:45
quaid	that isn't at all like the e.g. RHEV campaign	13:45
spevack	that I want to call out	13:45
spevack	"use TOSW as a starting point for Red Hat and Fedora project marketing efforts"	13:45
mchua	Honestly, I"m trying to get myself *out* of POSSE so the profs can run it, I'd really like to do cloud - if we can score jadudm a course release to be the POSSE wrangler this coming school year, I think it might actually work out well.	13:46
spevack	The idea of PROJECT MARKETING	13:46
quaid	yep	13:46
mchua	rather than product marketing?	13:46
mchua	acathrow was going on to me about that, how we can't do project mktg.	13:46
spevack	Brian Stevens always says "no one knows Red Hat is the driving force behind KVM/Deltacloud/$INSERT EMERGING TECH HERE"	13:46
spevack	mchua: exactly	13:46
* mchua was sort of confused. And a little sad.		13:46
quaid	check this out I sent to marketing last night:http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/marketing/2010-June/013124.html	13:47
spevack	quaid: and i see this as an opportunity for US to try to do some strategic project marketing, where TOSW is the umbrella CommArch initiative under which it fits	13:47
spevack	cloud/virt make it strategic to the rest of the business	13:47
spevack	quaid: too suit-like?  ;)	13:47
quaid	spevack: ok, now this sounds interesting :)	13:47
quaid	no, I think this is the time to start to give FMarketing som real stuff to do	13:47
spevack	ah, the joys of communication!	13:47
quaid	we have more than a few genuine people with genuine marketing skills now looking to do more than feature profiles :)	13:48
spevack	ianweller is thinking "i'm glad i get 4 years of college before this is my life"	13:48
quaid	ianweller: if you are smart, make it 8 years.	13:48
quaid	you get a chance to learn lots of evil politics in grad school that may serve you later, and a PhD is a good thing :)	13:48
quaid	so that link above ...	13:49
spevack	i like it	13:49
quaid	I put it to a Chief Security Officer with marketing skills who just intro'd himself that SELinux needs a project marketing campaign :)	13:49
spevack	quaid: this is exactly the sort of thing I'm getting at -- you've independently come up with the same thing.	13:49
quaid	also, this can happen concurrently with writing a new chapter Marketing the open source way	13:49
spevack	Focused project marketing campaigns that bring leadership, brand value, etc. to Fedora and/or RH	13:49
* quaid nods		13:49
quaid	spevack: convergence!	13:50
quaid	ah, my new shiny thing	13:50
quaid	I feel so much better	13:50
mchua	ianweller: your latest blog post, btw, is BRILLIANT.	13:50
* mchua has a brainspew, can haz go?		13:50
ianweller	mchua: no problem :)	13:50
spevack	mchua: why does ianweller get all the credit?  :)	13:50
spevack	quaid: can you yield to mchua for the last 10 mins before famsco?	13:50
mchua	spevack: you could lolcat the picture of your Cy hat. :)	13:51
quaid	go	13:51
mchua	but mad props to the both of ye.	13:51
mchua	Ok, I skipped to #3 because I've been thinking mostly about "what does the Mel do?" for the past 2 weeks.	13:51
mchua	between, y'know, insanity.	13:51
mchua	So....	13:51
spevack	I *catalyzed* and *delegated*, lol	13:51
mchua	spevack: you're a manager! :D	13:51
mchua	It should be obvious by now that I <3 education. :) What may be less obvious is that I want to look at education stuff *outside* Fedora, because I think it's the hammer we use on all our projects, which are not all nails.	13:51
mchua	It's a fine start, but we need to go beyond it, which is why I'm trying to teach other folks in Fedora how to do the working-with-schools scaffolding I first tried out with jadudm's Allegheny crew. That's what I'll be doing in Fedora over this coming school year... I hope to *not* need to be a class liason for 2011-2012, but this year has a few in the pipeline.	13:51
* spevack nods		13:51
mchua	Namely, jadudm's 2 classes, HCI + frosh seminar... some of the POSSE Worcester profs doing intro Python programming, which will inform our "become better for Python hackers" strategy (I hope), and we're getting tech writing + journalism from POSSE RIT, and *possibly* some help with FEL.	13:52
mchua	The other alumni from this summer are longer-term, we'll have to wait for them.	13:52
mchua	And if I get an intern for the school year, this is what they're going to be helping me a *lot* on. (coughcough). Note the disciplinary diversity.	13:52
spevack	we'll get you rrix	13:52
mchua	Next school year (2011-2012), as other Fedora folks take those primary liason-type roles on, I want to shift my focus to making this reproducible in other, non-Fedora communities and non-NA geos (APAC, cough cough) - generalize it to tosw.	13:52
mchua	spevack: hooray! Yeah, he was extremely helpful with the Allegheny folks, he's very cross-disciplinary, another good writer... he'd do well with all the classes we have coming up this school year.	13:52
mchua	Next school year (2011-2012), as other Fedora folks take those primary liason-type roles on, I want to shift my focus to making this reproducible in other, non-Fedora communities and non-NA geos (APAC, cough cough) - generalize it to tosw.	13:52
mchua	I also want to lead us into the academic space proper, which is why it's good I'm paneling at FIE, and I am trying to get us a paper at SIGCSE, and working on co-authoring a few (very tentative, very early) grant applications for POSSE and other projects we're doing - impact studies and such. I'll help other Fedora/RHT people get into this space along with me as best I can.	13:53
mchua	In particular, ianweller, I'm going to be looking at folks like you and other students in Fedora-land who have to write papers anyway, and people already doing research like the Duke folks (need to follow-up with them) and Diana, and seeing where that leads.	13:53
spevack	mchua: so, how well is some of this dream/motivation that you've written down captured in how our team's goals are written?	13:53
mchua	Those two things are, I believe, what will give us enough capacity to reach our POSSE alumni count goals in that timeframe.	13:53
* mchua waits a bit for folks to read		13:53
spevack	I worry that we're not properly encapsulating your vision into a 1, and then 2-3 year plan.	13:53
mchua	spevack: Um... well, I think? I mean, it's not really a 2-3 year plan as written, is the thing	13:53
mchua	and it doesn't have owners, which is something that I've inserted into my rambling above.	13:54
mchua	but the goals as written were what got me to write this implementation-ish braindump, so they are, I think, good.	13:54
spevack	ah, ok	13:55
mchua	...though I have 0 criteria other than "uh, it feels right!" when trying to determine whether goals are "good."	13:55
mchua	I want infrastructure for POSSEs made ASAP - fall semester intern project, maybe, since I want to open registration by January - and I want the trademark this summer if at all possible, before we run any more (because they're going to be international this fall, and I don't want any problems).	13:55
mchua	I want POSSE run by professors ASAP; we can do this iff we get jadudm a course release. Backed by kwurst for logistics advising, hellis for research advising, and ritsteve for marketing advising, he'll do great. This would free me to do, say, cloud-stuff.	13:55
mchua	TOS community stuff sounds right to me; I plan on building that community up, though anything outside what I've just described is all fuzzy and hand-wavy and we'll make it up as we go along. ;) I have ideas for how to admin our funding, but you'll see those on the list soon.	13:55
mchua	ianweller has the scholarship, that's set.	13:55
mchua	I'm not thinking about the TOS textbook at all. quaid is. I'm happy to let him do that. :) Ditto summer coding, though I'm trying to keep an eye on both.	13:55
* spevack nods		13:56
* ianweller goes to look at the scholarship SOP to see if there's anything he needs to do in the next two months		13:56
mchua	Basically, I do education as part of *everything* I do, so I'm actively trying to reach out of the stuff that everyone *knows* is edu	13:56
spevack	ianweller: doubt it	13:56
mchua	ianweller: nope	13:56
spevack	mchua: sounds good	13:56
mchua	ianweller: not 'till fall	13:56
ianweller	hurray	13:56
spevack	mchua: sounds like you're in a good place.	13:56
mchua	spevack: so stuff like "cloud" and "orientation" fall into that category, imo... and offloading POSSE to the TOS community as rapidly as possible will give me room to do it.	13:56
mchua	I think.	13:56
mchua	rrix will help. :)	13:57
spevack	mchua: once you're here in RDU, you'll be a big part of orientation	13:57
* mchua is a bit nervous about that, but excited!		13:57
* mchua can run around and be excited in front of new hires.		13:57
mchua	\o/	13:57
mchua	EOF	13:57
spevack	It's really quite useful to know that every two weeks you get to deliver a talk that is more or less a similar end message, but that has the ability to try out new ideas with no real fear	13:57
spevack	it's a great staging ground for talks that eventually might be public	13:58
* mchua grins. Yeah, part of it is also "I want to get over my total terror of speaking."		13:58
spevack	Jerry Seinfeld has a great bit about how a study shows that people's #1 fear is public speaking and #2 is death.	13:58
spevack	His punchline:	13:58
spevack	"that means if you have to be at a funeral, you'd rather be in the casket than giving the eulogy"	13:58
ianweller	lawl	13:58
quaid	too bad we don't have NHO in MTV	13:58
spevack	yeah	13:59
spevack	ok guys -- I have to move to famsco's meeting now.	13:59
quaid	something about summer coding ... it's not really The Future IMO	13:59
quaid	at least, not as it is envisioned now	13:59
spevack	hope people felt like this was a pretty good 50 minutes, at least in making sure we're all kind of on the same page with stuff	13:59
quaid	it has use, and is a nice tool, but it doesn't scale the way POSSE does	13:59
spevack	we'll continue the conversation, obviously	13:59
quaid	spevack: +1	13:59
mchua	+1, though we didn't get to hear from spevack and ianweller	13:59
ianweller	spevack: real fast -- should i add the stuff i'm doing with brand guidelines to the goals list under fedora project?	14:00
ianweller	the rest of it seems sane	14:00
mchua	spevack: when shall we come back to this? later today? tomorrow? next Monday?	14:00
spevack	ianweller: yeah!	14:00
spevack	mchua: later this week, rolling into next monday if we need to	14:00
* ianweller is going to send out a downtime notice real fast, and downtime will start at 3 pm EDT		14:00
ianweller	if that's ok with everybody	14:00
* ianweller copies infra's downtime message		14:00
spevack	ianweller: first thing we'll do is one final backup of the machine.	14:01
spevack	quaid, mchua, ianweller -- thanks for your time!	14:01

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