ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2007-nov-05

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-11-05

F8

• off to the mirrors; torrents are in progress
• later this afternoon hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect
• F8 is unlocked in bodhi so the requests will now show up in the list.
• 170 0-day updates so far

Post F8

• implement new development cycle
• change of names from "development" tree to "rawhide"
• making these changes early next week
• f13 to send out a proposal
• we need to prioritize F8Target blocker bug
• other details in IRC transcript

2007-11-05-14:10-meeting-snapshot

f13	jeremy: notting: rdieter: wwoods: jwb: spot: warren: poelcat: ping	13:02
* poelcat present		13:02
rdieter	here	13:02
jwb	here	13:03
* wwoods almost here		13:04
* jeremy is here		13:04
f13	heh	13:05
f13	I'll give it a few more minutes	13:05
* wwoods here		13:10
f13	well, we're in a holding pattern for Fedora 8 now.	13:11
f13	It's going to mirrors, torrents are in progress	13:11
f13	I made the bugzilla entry today	13:11
f13	and later this afternoon I hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect	13:12
lmacken	f13: just unlocked F8 in bodhi, so the requests will now show up in the list.	13:13
wwoods	cool. how many 0-day updates are we looking at right now?	13:13
lmacken	170	13:13
wwoods	phrreeow.	13:14
poelcat	youch	13:14
wwoods	that's updates-testing day 0. how many of those have actually requested a push to stable?	13:14
lmacken	68 stable	13:16
lmacken	97 testing	13:16
lmacken	which means there are 5 not submitted	13:16
* lmacken is thinking about making updates get auto-submitted to testing.. and still allow people to push right to stable.		13:17
f13	lmacken: or just nag mail for things unsubmitted	13:18
lmacken	that would work too.. but with the cli doing a single command would be nice, instead of create, then submit.	13:19
f13	yeah	13:21
f13	So, post f8 stuff.	13:29
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Post F8		13:29
f13	We have the new development cycle to implement	13:30
f13	mostly that means changing the Overview page and making sure the new schedule follows suit	13:30
f13	We also wanted to do an s/development/rawhide/ on the mirror	13:31
wwoods	right	13:31
wwoods	and probably s/devel/rawhide/ in bugzilla versions	13:31
wwoods	We talked before a little bit about giving releases names at the start of the cycle	13:33
EvilBob	Wasn't there talk of dropping the "rawhide" name?	13:34
jeremy	EvilBob: back in FC1, yes	13:34
wwoods	I think mostly we just haven't been clear on the fact that 'rawhide' *is* the internal codename for the new product	13:34
jeremy	EvilBob: we're going back... what's old is new and all that :)	13:34
EvilBob	;^)	13:34
rdieter	retro rawhide	13:34
mdomsch	rawhide++	13:37
wwoods	f13: so F9Alpha, F9Beta, F9PR1, ... F9	13:38
wwoods	(PR1 subject to change)	13:39
wwoods	how are those going to be numbered? 8.91, 8.92, 8.93, ... 9?	13:39
f13	yes.	13:39
wwoods	so pre-Alpha rawhide will be.. 8.90?	13:40
f13	I thik that's what I set it for	13:40
f13	but if we are going to change development/rawhide/ I have to update it again anyway	13:40
wwoods	I remember seeing a couple of exchanges like: "do you have the development repository enabled?" "no, I'm not doing software development, I just want to run rawhide"	13:41
f13	yep	13:42
wwoods	are we going to change the repo file name?	13:42
f13	hrm, good question.	13:43
f13	we probably should	13:44
f13	but... that may leave folks in an odd lurch	13:44
wwoods	oh, true. how do we determine the initial state of the 'rawhide' repo? it should match 'development'	13:45
f13	not only that, but introducing a new file, and removing an old one, will keep the old one around, maybe as .rpmsave though	13:46
wwoods	I have a feeling the window for a change like this is open right now but closing rapidly	13:47
rdieter	doit++	13:47
f13	yeah, we'd have to announce now and give folks some time to prepare.	13:48
f13	(read mirrors)	13:48
wwoods	I'd like for skvidal / notting / jeremy / etc. to weigh in on this before we start changing things	13:48
wwoods	would we change the name of the dir on the mirrors too?	13:48
* rdieter wants T-shirts: LIve 'n die by rawhide, livin la vida rawhide		13:48
f13	I'd like to do this in a way that we don't make the mirrors have to resync everything.	13:48
f13	wwoods: yes.	13:48
* skvidal reads up on what I'm weighing in on		13:48
f13	wwoods: it doesn't make sense to do this half assed.	13:49
wwoods	we can change the name of the repo, the *filename* of the repo, and the bugzilla version	13:49
wwoods	without touching mirror layout	13:49
skvidal	ah, okay	13:49
f13	wwoods: but then the baseurl for rawhide points to development/	13:49
skvidal	so we're changing things to say 'rawhide' everywhere	13:49
skvidal	are we going to manually [re] move those files in %scriptlets or are we counting on rpmnew/rpmsaves?	13:50
jwb	for "continuity" reasons	13:50
wwoods	f13: right, well - that's a little odd but I don't think we're going to change package CVS f'rinstance	13:50
wwoods	so there's some things that aren't going to be changing from 'devel' to 'rawhide'	13:51
wwoods	the baseurl is more user-visible than that, though	13:51
f13	skvidal: I was going ot count on .rpmsave	13:52
skvidal	okay so we're just nuking the file in fedora-release	13:52
f13	skvidal: the new file would be fedora-rawhide.repo so there /shouldn't/ be something to .rpmnew	13:52
f13	skvidal: yeah, introduce new repo file in fedora-release, change bugzilla entry, change url on mirrors(potentially)	13:53
wwoods	where else have we called rawhide 'development'?	13:53
skvidal	do it - throw up a flag on blogs + mailing lists + the update notices (if any)	13:53
f13	so yeah, making these changes early next week seems apropos	13:56
f13	any other thoughts about this?  I'll send up some proposals.	13:56
wwoods	yeah, make some proposals so we can get other people to find places we might be forgetting about	13:57
GeroldKa	hi all	13:58
f13	ok, any other business to bring up?	13:58
wwoods	If there's stuff that should really be handled in 0-day updates, let me know	13:59
wwoods	we need to prioritise F8Target but I'm not sure there's time to go through and actually set pri/sev on them	14:00
wwoods	and people monkey with those anyway	14:00
f13	yeah	14:00
f13	well, attacking what's going to land in updates and updates-testing would be good, once they land that is.	14:00
wwoods	yeah, use bodhi to karma the important stuff that's there and bug people about what isn't	14:00
wwoods	or just give me bug IDs and I'll track it, since that's probably what I'll be doing for the next few days	14:01
f13	ok, anything else?  tummy monster needs to be fed.	14:01
wwoods	F8Target is still 126/391 open	14:01
wwoods	:/	14:01
* wwoods done		14:01
f13	ok, meeting over.  thanks all.	14:02

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