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* The team conducted a *mini* review of 4 proposed blocker bugs ...
* The team conducted a *mini* review of 4 proposed blocker bugs ...
*# {{bz|704726}} - {{package|gnome-desktop3}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-desktop
*# {{bz|704726}} - {{package|gnome-desktop3}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-desktop
*#* AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
*# {{bz|704727}} - {{package|gnome-themes-standard}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-themes
*# {{bz|704727}} - {{package|gnome-themes-standard}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-themes
*#* AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
*# {{bz|704729}} - {{package|gobject-introspection}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with dbus-glib
*# {{bz|704729}} - {{package|gobject-introspection}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with dbus-glib
*#* AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
*# {{bz|704728}} - {{package|polkit}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with polkit-desktop-policy
*# {{bz|704728}} - {{package|polkit}} - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with polkit-desktop-policy
*#* AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
* And 3 proposed NTH bugs ...
* And 3 proposed NTH bugs ...
*# {{bz|704188}} - {{package|anaconda}} - TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
*# {{bz|704188}} - {{package|anaconda}} - TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
*#* AGREED: AcceptedNTH
*# {{bz|704020}} - {{package|gnome-panel}} - libpanel_applet changed ABI; not all applets ported
*# {{bz|704020}} - {{package|gnome-panel}} - libpanel_applet changed ABI; not all applets ported
*#* AGREED: RejectedNTH - Yum upgrades not officially supported, day-0 update acceptable.
*# {{bz|703944}} - {{package|pfstools}} - pfstools-octave has broken dependencies.
*# {{bz|703944}} - {{package|pfstools}} - pfstools-octave has broken dependencies.
*#* AGREED: RejectedNTH - Yum upgrades not officially supported, day-0 update acceptable.


== AutoQA update ==
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= IRC Log =
= IRC Log =
{|
|- id="t15:00:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t15:00:18|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon May 16 15:00:18 2011 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:18|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:18"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:18|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yo
|| [[#t15:00:27|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:29|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:29"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:29|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | I talked to Dennis and he is going to do the Games spin today.
|| [[#t15:00:32|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll Call
|| [[#t15:00:33|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: ah, thanks for doing that
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:40"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is present
|| [[#t15:00:40|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
| colspan="2" | * fenrus02 hands out bacon
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: tflink: howdy
|| [[#t15:00:44|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:48"
| colspan="2" | * elad661 is here
|| [[#t15:00:48|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | fenrus02: always a crowd pleaser :)
|| [[#t15:00:56|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:58"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice here
|| [[#t15:00:58|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:01"
| colspan="2" | * vhumpa is here
|| [[#t15:01:01|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hi elad661, Viking-Ice, vhumpa
|| [[#t15:01:07|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:15"
| colspan="2" | * kparal waves
|| [[#t15:01:15|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:17"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here
|| [[#t15:01:17|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heyo kparal and brunowolff
|| [[#t15:01:32|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:33"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron waves.
|| [[#t15:01:33|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | SOAS is waiting for an OK, as I guess it has some issues.
|| [[#t15:01:40|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:44"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska uses two hands to wave to rbergeron
|| [[#t15:01:44|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | rbergeron
| style="color: #488888" | brunowolff: excellent :)
|| [[#t15:01:48|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:56"
| colspan="2" | * satellit_ lurking
|| [[#t15:01:56|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I don't see robatino lurking ... maybe he'll join later
|| [[#t15:02:25|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | same for jskladan
|| [[#t15:02:40|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright, let's get started
|| [[#t15:02:46|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110516
|| [[#t15:02:49|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:02:56|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info tflink to follow-up with cloud sig for test day recap
|| [[#t15:03:08|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | looks like mgoldmann or msavy will follow-up this week (conferences previous 2 weeks)
|| [[#t15:03:17|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so this'll probably be sent out shortly
|| [[#t15:03:30|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:46"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | yeah, I think that you captured it (to my understanding)
|| [[#t15:03:46|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:57"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | msavy
| style="color: #4b904b" | i'm typing up the test-day post mortem right now :D
|| [[#t15:03:57|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | msavy: sweet! thank you :)
|| [[#t15:04:07|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | thanks!
|| [[#t15:04:23|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | a few bug follow-ups that were taken care of ...
|| [[#t15:04:27|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska to follow-up w/ halfline on bug#702650, kparal+jlaska to verify -- Appears to be tested and resolved, thanks kparal and halfline!
|| [[#t15:04:37|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw proposing patch for bug#697834 -- Done ... AcceptedNTH and available for walters if desired
|| [[#t15:04:48|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska - file proposed NTH bugs for F14-&gt;F15 -- Done ... with help from adamw, those affecting the media were AcceptedNTH
|| [[#t15:05:07|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that's all I had from last week ... anything I missed
|| [[#t15:05:18|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | or anything you want to make noise about?
|| [[#t15:05:30|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if not ... we'll move on ...
|| [[#t15:05:35|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:40"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith has nothing
|| [[#t15:05:40|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F-15-Final-RC3 status
|| [[#t15:06:05|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Just a reminder - the Go/No_Go meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday, May 17)
|| [[#t15:06:30|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting
|| [[#t15:06:37|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | That is where QA provides an update on testing and provides an assessment for how well the release criteria are holding up
|| [[#t15:07:03|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Time?
|| [[#t15:07:09|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | then we go around the room and shake hands, hi-fives etc...
|| [[#t15:07:14|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | autographs come later
|| [[#t15:07:24|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yup
|| [[#t15:07:30|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: the schedule lists it at 17:00 EDT
|| [[#t15:07:37|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: will you be sending out that meeting notice, or do you want someone else to grab it?
|| [[#t15:07:58|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | in the meantime, we'll continue to monitor for blocker bugs at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
|| [[#t15:08:37|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Thank you robatino for the RC3 announcement and wiki management
|| [[#t15:08:51|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:05"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Things look good on the desktop front. I run into few bugs while doing the desktop testing, but nothing close to being a stopper.
|| [[#t15:09:05|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: thanks for running through those desktop tests
|| [[#t15:09:20|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
|| [[#t15:09:41|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | vhumpa: you said you've done some of the 'desktop' (gnome) tests too, are you going to add them to the matrix soon?
|| [[#t15:09:44|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
|| [[#t15:09:47|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:12"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: I put them there about 15 minutes ago :)
|| [[#t15:10:12|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:28"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska has to run a few odd-ball hardware tests on the install matrix
|| [[#t15:10:28|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | otherwise, it's looking in good shape
|| [[#t15:10:41|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | vhumpa: oh huh, i didn't see it
|| [[#t15:11:00|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh there we go! thanks
|| [[#t15:11:05|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else folks want to cover before we dive into a mini-proposed bug review?
|| [[#t15:11:12|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info The QA retrospective page available for noting the good/bad/ugly ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective
|| [[#t15:11:52|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that page is a helpful tool for those with short memories (me) :)
|| [[#t15:12:04|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:11"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: I will still try to complete the notification test case later
|| [[#t15:12:11|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, we have 4 proposed blockers, and 3 proposed NTH ... who wants to review some bugs?
|| [[#t15:12:50|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
|| [[#t15:13:00|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | small cheer
|| [[#t15:13:39|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:47"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska notes ... silence indicates a +1
|| [[#t15:13:47|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:13:48|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | this _should_ be quick
|| [[#t15:13:53|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:57"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith is happy to help
|| [[#t15:13:57|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | the good news is that we can pretty much take the four proposed blockers together
|| [[#t15:13:58|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if not ... we'll punt for #fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:14:01|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:06"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | jsmith
| style="color: #97974f" | adamw: Yeah...
|| [[#t15:14:06|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah, good!
|| [[#t15:14:07|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704726
|| [[#t15:14:09|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-desktop
|| [[#t15:14:13|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: you've already reviewed these issues it seems, any thoughts?
|| [[#t15:14:24|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | they're odd issues
|| [[#t15:14:56|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i really can't see why it's going wrong, but since the report's from peter who I know has his head screws on, it worries me just a bit
|| [[#t15:15:11|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | is Peter around?
|| [[#t15:15:23|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, i just pinged to see if he'd pop in
|| [[#t15:15:31|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | do we know if these are found with 'yum' upgrades, not anaconda/preupgrade?
|| [[#t15:15:33|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:36"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | Southern_Gentlem
| style="color: #9b519b" | ?
|| [[#t15:15:36|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | this was a yum upgrade, but i'd like to find out what actually happened as it's an odd issue
|| [[#t15:15:52|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:56"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | Southern_Gentlem
| style="color: #9b519b" | is this with rc3?
|| [[#t15:15:56|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:02"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | Southern_Gentlem
| style="color: #9b519b" | if so i will retest
|| [[#t15:16:02|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Southern_Gentlem: I don't think so ... it appears to be against the online reops
|| [[#t15:16:07|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | repos
|| [[#t15:16:10|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Southern_Gentlem: if you're doing a yum upgrade the concept doesn't exactly apply
|| [[#t15:16:14|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | which may not yet be in sync with RC3
|| [[#t15:16:14|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | (concept of 'RC3', that is)
|| [[#t15:16:20|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so what's happening here is that he has yum complaining about conflicts between an f15 package and a package which looks to be from the f14 install
|| [[#t15:16:50|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but there are clearly higher versioned f15 packages available in the f15 repos
|| [[#t15:17:02|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:09"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Saying by the gnome-desktop3 version, it looks like "RC3"
|| [[#t15:17:09|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so i don't know why the f14 package is in play at all
|| [[#t15:17:10|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it's kind of hard to tell, i guess it would be nice to have a much fuller log
|| [[#t15:17:31|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | How do these style of upgrades fit with the release criteria?
|| [[#t15:17:38|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | if peter doesn't show up we can ask him for the yum history report
|| [[#t15:17:41|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:44"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | jsmith
| style="color: #97974f" | Yeah, I'm thoroughly confused :-(
|| [[#t15:17:44|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: a yum upgrade doesn't, but like i say, before we kick this out i'd like to understand it
|| [[#t15:17:55|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:58"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | Southern_Gentlem
| style="color: #9b519b" | i will test f14 everything install (except virtualization) fully updated to f15 rc3
|| [[#t15:17:58|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: of course
|| [[#t15:18:01|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but even if it were valid as written, indeed, we wouldn't consider it a blocker
|| [[#t15:18:06|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Southern_Gentlem: thanks
|| [[#t15:18:08|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: because it's something we can "easily" fix with a day-0 post-release update?
|| [[#t15:18:31|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:34"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Could be a nth but not a blocker, based on its yum upgrade...
|| [[#t15:18:34|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: yeah, and we just don't support yum upgrades
|| [[#t15:19:00|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | proposed #agreed 704726 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter.  If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
|| [[#t15:19:29|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we have shipped with issues like this in the past - things anaconda bashes its way around but yum chokes on - and all we've done is simply document them in the 'upgrading with yum' wiki page
|| [[#t15:19:32|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | ack
|| [[#t15:19:38|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ack
|| [[#t15:19:54|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ack from me ... will stay tuned for feedback from peter
|| [[#t15:19:56|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone else ? ack/nak/patch?
|| [[#t15:20:04|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | +1
|| [[#t15:20:11|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | +1
|| [[#t15:20:13|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, I think that should be enough
|| [[#t15:20:23|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704726 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter.  If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
|| [[#t15:20:33|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | The 3 remaining bugs appear to be the same ... any objections if we follow that plan for all 4 yum upgrade bugs?
|| [[#t15:21:01|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | that's what i was going to suggest
|| [[#t15:21:11|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Sounds like a good plan to me.
|| [[#t15:21:15|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:16"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | no objections here
|| [[#t15:21:16|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, bare with me for a moment while I fiddle with #agreed
|| [[#t15:21:27|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | btw, in case it wasn't clear, this is doubly odd because peter seems to be the only one seeingi t
|| [[#t15:21:31|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704727 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter.  If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
|| [[#t15:21:39|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i've done a yum upgrade and didn't see this, and i think others have too
|| [[#t15:21:39|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704728 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter.  If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
|| [[#t15:21:43|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704729 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter.  If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
|| [[#t15:21:47|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yay for sequential bug #'s
|| [[#t15:21:51|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: wonder if it makes a differnce if your F14 system is updated before doing the F15 upgrade?
|| [[#t15:22:04|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:13"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | wasn't there a time where updates weren't being pushed to updates-testing? I remember hitting that missing js build issue on friday
|| [[#t15:22:13|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | I saw something similar when I did some yum upgrades a while back. I think some old applets were pinning old packages so that the transaction ended up with both new and old stuff.
|| [[#t15:22:32|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:40"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | or am I remembering wrong?
|| [[#t15:22:40|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: possibly, and it could be to do with the repos selected too, but still
|| [[#t15:23:02|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | my f14 system that i upgraded was fully updated
|| [[#t15:23:14|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yup, let's stay tuned
|| [[#t15:23:16|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: I don't know :(
|| [[#t15:23:23|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:24"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | sorry I'm late
|| [[#t15:23:24|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: hello
|| [[#t15:23:32|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:40"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Just got off work
|| [[#t15:23:40|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | pbrobinson: heh, just out of time :D
|| [[#t15:23:41|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | speak of the devil ... welcome pbrobinson!
|| [[#t15:23:42|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:51"
| colspan="2" | * pbrobinson waves
|| [[#t15:23:51|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | pbrobinson: we just decided to ask you for more information on those yum upgrade bugs, with the unspoken assumption you've been at the crack pipe again
|| [[#t15:23:58|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:02"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney wonders what the topic is
|| [[#t15:24:02|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:15"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney now knows
|| [[#t15:24:15|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:21"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | adamw: you know me too well ;-)
|| [[#t15:24:21|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: reviewing proposed blockers
|| [[#t15:24:24|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Note that gnome-desktop3 and gnome desktop are different and I think this makes it possible for gnome-desktop to be kept if something requires it even though its obsoleted.
|| [[#t15:24:28|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | pbrobinson: could you attach the full yum output to one of the bugs? you should be able to get it from yum history...
|| [[#t15:24:31|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: there's an updated gnome-desktop in f15 repos, as well as gnome-desktop3 .
|| [[#t15:24:44|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:00"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | adamw: yes. I think I have at least one of them logged
|| [[#t15:25:00|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:22"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | adamw:  btw, that bug we discussed is indeed fixed for me
|| [[#t15:25:22|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | pbrobinson: that's really all we decided so far ... anything else you wanted to raise for those bugs?
|| [[#t15:26:06|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: the error message talks about gnome-desktop-2.32.0-2.fc14.i686 , but f15 has 2.32.0-7.fc15
|| [[#t15:26:08|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | odd
|| [[#t15:26:29|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:36"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | indeed
|| [[#t15:26:36|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:57"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | I thought I had some logs with me, it appears it was something else. Will need to grab them when I get home in a couple of hours
|| [[#t15:26:57|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | pbrobinson: excellent, thank you.  We'll stay tuned to the bugs
|| [[#t15:27:16|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if nothing else ... let's knock these NTH bugs off the list ...
|| [[#t15:27:34|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | thanks peter
|| [[#t15:27:35|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | pbrobinson: always nice to have a special guest visitor :)
|| [[#t15:27:55|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704188
|| [[#t15:27:58|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
|| [[#t15:28:01|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:11"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | btw while I have everyone here, I spoke with dgilmore about cutting the SoaS release just after day 0 in the hope we can get a NM patch that makes wifi vaguely work. He said he had no issues with it but I now have to try and chase Dan to review my failing python patch
|| [[#t15:28:11|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | By definition, I think this constitutes a NTH bug ... but I'm not expecting any anaconda updates (or RC4) at this time, so it's unlikely this will be fixed in F15 (easy to document workaround)
|| [[#t15:28:51|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:54"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | jlaska: I would like to visit more often but work just seems to constantly blow chunks in terms of time spare at the moment!
|| [[#t15:28:54|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | pbrobinson: cool
|| [[#t15:28:56|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | pbrobinson:  what's up with Python?
|| [[#t15:29:04|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:06"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: areed
|| [[#t15:29:06|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | pbrobinson: no worries ... thanks for the heads up on staggering the SoaS release
|| [[#t15:29:17|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | proposed #agreed 704188 - AcceptedNTH - if anaconda is respun for F15, this fix will be included
|| [[#t15:29:50|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ack/nak/patch?
|| [[#t15:29:53|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw already ack'd
|| [[#t15:29:58|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:04"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | +1
|| [[#t15:30:04|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:05"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ack
|| [[#t15:30:05|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:12"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | +1
|| [[#t15:30:12|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:18"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | j_dulaney: not a problem with python. Its a problem with the coder as I don't know python (its been on my todo list to learn). I'm attempting to convert the Sugar NetworkManager code to the 0.9 API and I'm failing! Any help would be appreciated
|| [[#t15:30:18|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:46"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | +1
|| [[#t15:30:46|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704188 - AcceptedNTH - if anaconda is respun for F15, this fix will be included
|| [[#t15:30:48|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704020
|| [[#t15:30:55|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info libpanel_applet changed ABI; not all applets ported
|| [[#t15:30:59|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | already in VERIFIED, and I wonder if this is already in RC3
|| [[#t15:31:26|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:27"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska checks
|| [[#t15:31:27|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska and i are both -1 nth on this after thinking about it a bit
|| [[#t15:31:29|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | oh right, catching up on my comment here :)
|| [[#t15:31:48|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: the thinking is that this is a perfectly suitable day-0 update, and isn't required on media?
|| [[#t15:32:09|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah
|| [[#t15:32:16|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | right on
|| [[#t15:32:24|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:37"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Does it block upgrades from F14?
|| [[#t15:32:37|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | proposed #agreed 704020 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades
|| [[#t15:32:57|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:07"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Ok
|| [[#t15:33:07|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:12"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | +1 for that
|| [[#t15:33:12|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:15"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ack
|| [[#t15:33:15|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:21"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | +1
|| [[#t15:33:21|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 704020 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades
|| [[#t15:33:33|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | last one ...
|| [[#t15:33:46|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703944
|| [[#t15:33:47|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info pfstools-octave has broken dependencies.
|| [[#t15:33:52|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | comment#3 has the goods
|| [[#t15:34:11|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | -1
|| [[#t15:34:22|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:26"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | -1 NTH
|| [[#t15:34:26|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | A good bug report, thanks to Orion for filing ... but this seems like the previous ... a perfectly good day-0 update that doesn't require media
|| [[#t15:34:29|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:35"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska works up the #agreed line
|| [[#t15:34:35|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i think dep issues are pretty simple: if they're on the media they should be blocker, if they're not on the media they shouldn't be anything
|| [[#t15:34:37|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | -1 NTH
|| [[#t15:34:37|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:49"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | jsmith
| style="color: #97974f" | -1 NTH
|| [[#t15:34:49|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:53"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | -1 nth
|| [[#t15:34:53|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #agreed 703944 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades and isn't referenced in comps
|| [[#t15:35:00|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay thanks all for the mini-review
|| [[#t15:35:07|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we're in good shape so far
|| [[#t15:35:13|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska knocks wood
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | andw we'll continue to monitor pbrobinson's issues ... and send out drones should things look bad
|| [[#t15:35:34|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:44"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Mmm, drones
|| [[#t15:35:44|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we need to finish off the desktop tests too
|| [[#t15:35:48|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:53"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | The Borg kind, or the SGU kind?
|| [[#t15:35:53|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | if anyone wants to help out with the remaining 'desktop' and 'fallback' tests that'd be great
|| [[#t15:35:58|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:09"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | I'll get fallback
|| [[#t15:36:09|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Desktop validation testing still needed - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
|| [[#t15:36:16|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: thank you
|| [[#t15:36:20|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | also, for both install and desktop tests, multiple results are good! even if someone else did it already, you can add your results
|| [[#t15:36:22|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | +1 to that
|| [[#t15:36:30|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:39"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Indeed
|| [[#t15:36:39|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | two 'passes' makes us more confident than one, and one 'pass' plus one 'fail' equals an issue we wouldn't have caught otherwise :)
|| [[#t15:36:40|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | adamw: I will finish the remaining KDE and Desktop - thanks dualney!
|| [[#t15:36:41|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | There are some obsoleted packages still in the F15 repo. It would be nice to get those cleared out before the repo is fixed.
|| [[#t15:36:53|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:03"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | +1 too!
|| [[#t15:37:03|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: btw, I'll update the bz's post-meeting (unless you already did it)
|| [[#t15:37:09|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:11"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: ah yeah, didn't you mail the list about that?
|| [[#t15:37:11|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: i didn't, thanks
|| [[#t15:37:20|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:32"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | Yeah, but I didn't get a response from someone who could fix it.
|| [[#t15:37:32|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | dgilmore: ^^^ heads up
|| [[#t15:37:42|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:45"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | I also wasn't sure how to find all such packages.
|| [[#t15:37:45|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: we'll try and get dgilmore on it....yeah
|| [[#t15:37:48|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:04"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | though i think you're actually supposed to go through the whole package retirement process to get rid of such packages
|| [[#t15:38:04|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Some obsolete packages are included in F15 repo ... brunowolff suggested removing them before release
|| [[#t15:38:09|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | obsoleted packages hanging around hence tends to happen, i remember i ran into such a one a few weeks back from a much older release
|| [[#t15:38:19|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | If nothing else, we'll move on to AutoQA ...
|| [[#t15:38:46|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA update
|| [[#t15:39:02|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:18"
| colspan="2" | * kparal 's topic!
|| [[#t15:39:18|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:22"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | I think the proper process is that the packagers involved are supposed to ask releng to block the packages from the appropriate repos.
|| [[#t15:39:22|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal what's the latest in the world of AutoQA?
|| [[#t15:39:31|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:42"
| colspan="2" | * kparal takes the mic
|| [[#t15:39:42|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:47"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | Nothing really big this week. The whole week was spent on implementing tickets for 0.5.0 milestone.
|| [[#t15:39:47|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:53"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | EOF
|| [[#t15:39:53|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | brunowolff
| style="color: #854685" | But once that gets skipped, then I think the issue tends to get lost.
|| [[#t15:39:55|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:57"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | ok, just kidding
|| [[#t15:39:57|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: yeah, that's part of the retirement process, you have to do some other stuff first too.
|| [[#t15:39:59|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: hah
|| [[#t15:40:01|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:12"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | I have a few info's in here
|| [[#t15:40:12|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:22"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #info kparal implemented package caching in AutoQA (optional, default off). When enabled, it drastically speeds up mainly depcheck runs.
|| [[#t15:40:22|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:39"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | well, subsequent runs
|| [[#t15:40:39|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:45"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | not the first one :)
|| [[#t15:40:45|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:51"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #info jskladan introduced an algorithm to filter interesting information from depcheck log about why a particular package has broken dependencies
|| [[#t15:40:51|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Cool, so this is mostly for folks testing depcheck ... not something we'll use in production?
|| [[#t15:40:54|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:20"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | jlaska: I'd use it for developers for now
|| [[#t15:41:20|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | gotcha
|| [[#t15:41:28|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:35"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | on productions we would have to solve issues like /tmp cleaning, etc
|| [[#t15:41:35|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:44"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | e.g. you must not clean in when test it running
|| [[#t15:41:44|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:49"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | *it
|| [[#t15:41:49|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there goes your cache! :)
|| [[#t15:41:52|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:59"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | That would be interesting
|| [[#t15:41:59|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:18"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | bah, who needs the actual packages during a test :-D
|| [[#t15:42:18|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: yup, details! :)
|| [[#t15:42:29|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:35"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | ok, as for jskladan's algorithm, it should be in autoqa-devel now, but I still didn't have time to check it out
|| [[#t15:42:35|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:02"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #info we started to nicely document our test cases. First piece is upgradepath.
|| [[#t15:43:02|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:02"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_tests/Upgradepath
|| [[#t15:43:02|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:32"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | I always wonder whether I'm not repeating something said in the last meeting. I hope not :)
|| [[#t15:43:32|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:44"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #info tflink worked on issue of yum getting stuck in a loop that generated huge depcheck logs. When new yum builds land in stable repos, we should be have that handled.
|| [[#t15:43:44|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:50"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Just out of curiosity, would I be better off trying to reconstruct my resultsDB work, or would it be more constructive for me to do something else?
|| [[#t15:43:50|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | love the "Fixing the failures" section ... that seems to cover sgallagh's request for providing tips for resolving
|| [[#t15:43:52|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:08"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | j_dulaney: let's talk at fedora-qa after the meeting
|| [[#t15:44:08|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:14"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | Right
|| [[#t15:44:14|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:24"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #info vhumpa created a pretty text template for our future test reports
|| [[#t15:44:24|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:24"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | #link http://vhumpa.fedorapeople.org/prettylog_upgradepath_example2.txt
|| [[#t15:44:24|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | go vita
|| [[#t15:44:37|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:43"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | and that's all from my list
|| [[#t15:44:43|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | *much* nicer output!
|| [[#t15:44:49|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:01"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | I may have forgotten about someone, speak up please
|| [[#t15:45:01|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:20"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | I am finishing class that will construct this for all the tests
|| [[#t15:45:20|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Quick update on the gi-normous test logs in production ... our compression script (thank you vita) seems to be working well and keeping things under control.  It runs every 2 hours and compresses logs &gt; 100M.  With current disk space, test results will be kept for 15 days
|| [[#t15:46:18|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | one of our test clients is out of action at the moment (qa06) ... I'm investigating why
|| [[#t15:46:54|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:01"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | that's acceptable. but in the long run, I'd like to aim higher :)
|| [[#t15:47:01|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: sure
|| [[#t15:47:05|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | vhumpa
| style="color: #4d4d93" | Yay for now :-) !
|| [[#t15:47:13|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:32"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | it looks like the F15 yum update is pending push to stable and F14 is missing 1 karma
|| [[#t15:47:32|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: well, I could certainly deploy the f14 version and supply karma based on that :)
|| [[#t15:47:51|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:56"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | the biggest offender in generating obscenely huge logs should be taken care of
|| [[#t15:47:56|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | it would be in keeping with our mascot
|| [[#t15:47:56|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:11"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | :))
|| [[#t15:48:11|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:21"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | jlaska: the code change is pretty simple, a couple of lines I think
|| [[#t15:48:21|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else we need to cover on the AutoQA front?
|| [[#t15:49:05|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:16"
! style="background-color: #57a657" | kparal
| style="color: #57a657" | all from me
|| [[#t15:49:16|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:25"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | tflink
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | nothing I can think of
|| [[#t15:49:25|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, thanks gang.  Moving on ...
|| [[#t15:49:45|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Upcoming QA events
|| [[#t15:49:51|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think everyone knows this already, but for consistency sake ...
|| [[#t15:50:05|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#t15:50:10|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Tuesday, May 17 - Go/NoGo meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting
|| [[#t15:50:23|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | This is tomorrow, it will be fun, and we all hope it's good news
|| [[#t15:50:37|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Tuesday, May 24 - Final (GA) release
|| [[#t15:50:44|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that's all I've got listed
|| [[#t15:50:56|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Open Discussion - &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:51:05|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything not previously discussed that needs mentioned here?
|| [[#t15:51:19|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | rbergeron
| style="color: #488888" | :)
|| [[#t15:51:29|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:02"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | satellit_
| style="color: #5959a9" | soas will get a little more time for bug fixes?
|| [[#t15:52:02|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm still catching up on the mailing list ... a lot of feedback over the weekend
|| [[#t15:52:02|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | I move we wrap things up
|| [[#t15:52:04|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | satellit_: probably, pbrobinson said he'd talked to dgilmore about that
|| [[#t15:52:15|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:21"
! style="background-color: #5959a9" | satellit_
| style="color: #5959a9" | ok
|| [[#t15:52:21|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info pbrobinson talking to dgilmore about shifting the SoaS release date to include some day-0 fixes
|| [[#t15:53:14|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Okay, I'm setting the fuse for 1 minute ...
|| [[#t15:53:28|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | last call for topics ...
|| [[#t15:53:34|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:53"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | adamw satellit_: yes, I spoke about cutting the release after zero day updates hit to enable us to try and get a NM 0.9 patch in to at least give us working WiFi.
|| [[#t15:53:53|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i think it may be better to do it by pushing sugar-only patches into the f15 repo late, but we can figure that out later
|| [[#t15:54:20|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:26"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska holds on #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:54:26|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright ... I think we're done here.  Let's continue discussion on the list or #fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:54:49|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:49"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | pbrobinson
| style="color: #a25555" | adamw: that could work as well
|| [[#t15:54:49|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yup
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|- id="t15:55:02"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #539e9e" | pbrobinson:  Whatup with Wifi?
|| [[#t15:55:02|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Happy testing all, let's stay on top of our bugs and keep pushing for a successful release!
|| [[#t15:55:14|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  1. jlaska (151)
  2. adamw (56)
  3. kparal (28)
  4. j_dulaney (21)
  5. brunowolff (16)
  6. tflink (14)
  7. vhumpa (12)
  8. pbrobinson (9)
  9. jsmith (5)
  10. Southern_Gentlem (4)
  11. rbergeron (3)
  12. satellit_ (3)
  13. fenrus02 (1)
  14. elad661 (1)
  15. Viking-Ice (1)
  16. msavy (1)

Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. wutao85 (hopefully sleeping)
  4. jskladan

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. tflink to follow-up with cloud sig for test day recap
    • mgoldmann or msavy will follow-up this week (conferences previous 2 weeks)
  2. jlaska to follow-up w/ halfline on bug#702650, kparal+jlaska to verify
    • Appears to be tested and resolved, thanks kparal and halfline
  3. adamw proposing patch for bug#697834
    • Done ... AcceptedNTH and available for walters if desired
  4. jlaska - file proposed NTH bugs for F14->F15
    • Done

F-15-Final-RC3 status

  • STATUS: INPROGRESS - Tuesday, May 17
  • Continue to monitor for blocker bugs at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
  • Thank you Robatino for the RC3 announcement and wiki management
  • Robatino already created Final RC1 QA wiki pages at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Fedora_15_Final_RC_Test_Results
  • The team conducted a *mini* review of 4 proposed blocker bugs ...
    1. RHBZ #704726 - gnome-desktop3 - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-desktop
      • AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
    2. RHBZ #704727 - gnome-themes-standard - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-themes
      • AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
    3. RHBZ #704729 - gobject-introspection - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with dbus-glib
      • AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
    4. RHBZ #704728 - polkit - upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with polkit-desktop-policy
      • AGREED: tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism
  • And 3 proposed NTH bugs ...
    1. RHBZ #704188 - anaconda - TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable
      • AGREED: AcceptedNTH
    2. RHBZ #704020 - gnome-panel - libpanel_applet changed ABI; not all applets ported
      • AGREED: RejectedNTH - Yum upgrades not officially supported, day-0 update acceptable.
    3. RHBZ #703944 - pfstools - pfstools-octave has broken dependencies.
      • AGREED: RejectedNTH - Yum upgrades not officially supported, day-0 update acceptable.

AutoQA update

  • kparal implemented package caching in AutoQA (optional, default off). When enabled, it drastically speeds up mainly depcheck runs.
  • jskladan introduced an algorithm to filter interesting information from depcheck log about why a particular package has broken dependencies
  • we started to nicely document our test cases. First piece is upgradepath (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_tests/Upgradepath)
  • tflink worked on issue of yum getting stuck in a loop that generated huge depcheck logs. When new yum builds land in stable repos, we should be have that handled. Tflink also noted the updates are still in 'updates-testing', pending additional positive karma.
  • vhumpa created a pretty text template for our future test reports (see http://vhumpa.fedorapeople.org/prettylog_upgradepath_example2.txt)
  • Jlaska reported that the log size issue appears under control. Compressing logs > 100M every 2 hours

Upcoming QA events

  1. Tuesday, May 17 - Go/NoGo meeting
  2. Tuesday, May 24 - Final (GA) release

Open Discussion - <your topic here>

Action items

IRC Log

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon May 16 15:00:18 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
adamw yo 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
brunowolff I talked to Dennis and he is going to do the Games spin today. 15:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call 15:00
jlaska brunowolff: ah, thanks for doing that 15:00
* tflink is present 15:00
* fenrus02 hands out bacon 15:00
jlaska adamw: tflink: howdy 15:00
* elad661 is here 15:00
jlaska fenrus02: always a crowd pleaser :) 15:00
* Viking-Ice here 15:00
* vhumpa is here 15:01
jlaska hi elad661, Viking-Ice, vhumpa 15:01
* kparal waves 15:01
* brunowolff is here 15:01
jlaska heyo kparal and brunowolff 15:01
* rbergeron waves. 15:01
brunowolff SOAS is waiting for an OK, as I guess it has some issues. 15:01
* jlaska uses two hands to wave to rbergeron 15:01
rbergeron brunowolff: excellent :) 15:01
* satellit_ lurking 15:01
jlaska I don't see robatino lurking ... maybe he'll join later 15:02
jlaska same for jskladan 15:02
jlaska alright, let's get started 15:02
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110516 15:02
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:02
jlaska #info tflink to follow-up with cloud sig for test day recap 15:03
jlaska looks like mgoldmann or msavy will follow-up this week (conferences previous 2 weeks) 15:03
jlaska so this'll probably be sent out shortly 15:03
tflink yeah, I think that you captured it (to my understanding) 15:03
msavy i'm typing up the test-day post mortem right now :D 15:03
jlaska msavy: sweet! thank you :) 15:04
adamw thanks! 15:04
jlaska a few bug follow-ups that were taken care of ... 15:04
jlaska #info jlaska to follow-up w/ halfline on bug#702650, kparal+jlaska to verify -- Appears to be tested and resolved, thanks kparal and halfline! 15:04
jlaska #info adamw proposing patch for bug#697834 -- Done ... AcceptedNTH and available for walters if desired 15:04
jlaska #info jlaska - file proposed NTH bugs for F14->F15 -- Done ... with help from adamw, those affecting the media were AcceptedNTH 15:05
jlaska that's all I had from last week ... anything I missed 15:05
jlaska or anything you want to make noise about? 15:05
jlaska if not ... we'll move on ... 15:05
* jsmith has nothing 15:05
jlaska #topic F-15-Final-RC3 status 15:06
jlaska #info Just a reminder - the Go/No_Go meeting is scheduled for tomorrow (Tuesday, May 17) 15:06
jlaska #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting 15:06
jlaska That is where QA provides an update on testing and provides an assessment for how well the release criteria are holding up 15:07
brunowolff Time? 15:07
jlaska then we go around the room and shake hands, hi-fives etc... 15:07
adamw autographs come later 15:07
jlaska yup 15:07
jlaska brunowolff: the schedule lists it at 17:00 EDT 15:07
jlaska rbergeron: will you be sending out that meeting notice, or do you want someone else to grab it? 15:07
jlaska in the meantime, we'll continue to monitor for blocker bugs at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 15:08
jlaska #info Thank you robatino for the RC3 announcement and wiki management 15:08
vhumpa Things look good on the desktop front. I run into few bugs while doing the desktop testing, but nothing close to being a stopper. 15:09
jlaska vhumpa: thanks for running through those desktop tests 15:09
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test 15:09
adamw vhumpa: you said you've done some of the 'desktop' (gnome) tests too, are you going to add them to the matrix soon? 15:09
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test 15:09
vhumpa adamw: I put them there about 15 minutes ago :) 15:10
* jlaska has to run a few odd-ball hardware tests on the install matrix 15:10
jlaska otherwise, it's looking in good shape 15:10
adamw vhumpa: oh huh, i didn't see it 15:11
adamw oh there we go! thanks 15:11
jlaska anything else folks want to cover before we dive into a mini-proposed bug review? 15:11
jlaska #info The QA retrospective page available for noting the good/bad/ugly ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective 15:11
jlaska that page is a helpful tool for those with short memories (me) :) 15:12
vhumpa adamw: I will still try to complete the notification test case later 15:12
jlaska okay, we have 4 proposed blockers, and 3 proposed NTH ... who wants to review some bugs? 15:12
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 15:13
adamw small cheer 15:13
* jlaska notes ... silence indicates a +1 15:13
jlaska :) 15:13
jlaska this _should_ be quick 15:13
* jsmith is happy to help 15:13
adamw the good news is that we can pretty much take the four proposed blockers together 15:13
jlaska if not ... we'll punt for #fedora-qa 15:14
jsmith adamw: Yeah... 15:14
jlaska adamw: yeah, good! 15:14
jlaska #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704726 15:14
jlaska #info upgrade from F-14 broken due to conflicts with gnome-desktop 15:14
jlaska adamw: you've already reviewed these issues it seems, any thoughts? 15:14
adamw they're odd issues 15:14
adamw i really can't see why it's going wrong, but since the report's from peter who I know has his head screws on, it worries me just a bit 15:15
jlaska is Peter around? 15:15
adamw yeah, i just pinged to see if he'd pop in 15:15
jlaska do we know if these are found with 'yum' upgrades, not anaconda/preupgrade? 15:15
Southern_Gentlem ? 15:15
adamw this was a yum upgrade, but i'd like to find out what actually happened as it's an odd issue 15:15
Southern_Gentlem is this with rc3? 15:15
Southern_Gentlem if so i will retest 15:16
jlaska Southern_Gentlem: I don't think so ... it appears to be against the online reops 15:16
jlaska repos 15:16
adamw Southern_Gentlem: if you're doing a yum upgrade the concept doesn't exactly apply 15:16
jlaska which may not yet be in sync with RC3 15:16
adamw (concept of 'RC3', that is) 15:16
adamw so what's happening here is that he has yum complaining about conflicts between an f15 package and a package which looks to be from the f14 install 15:16
adamw but there are clearly higher versioned f15 packages available in the f15 repos 15:17
vhumpa Saying by the gnome-desktop3 version, it looks like "RC3" 15:17
adamw so i don't know why the f14 package is in play at all 15:17
adamw it's kind of hard to tell, i guess it would be nice to have a much fuller log 15:17
jlaska How do these style of upgrades fit with the release criteria? 15:17
adamw if peter doesn't show up we can ask him for the yum history report 15:17
jsmith Yeah, I'm thoroughly confused :-( 15:17
adamw jlaska: a yum upgrade doesn't, but like i say, before we kick this out i'd like to understand it 15:17
Southern_Gentlem i will test f14 everything install (except virtualization) fully updated to f15 rc3 15:17
jlaska adamw: of course 15:18
adamw but even if it were valid as written, indeed, we wouldn't consider it a blocker 15:18
adamw Southern_Gentlem: thanks 15:18
jlaska adamw: because it's something we can "easily" fix with a day-0 post-release update? 15:18
vhumpa Could be a nth but not a blocker, based on its yum upgrade... 15:18
adamw jlaska: yeah, and we just don't support yum upgrades 15:19
jlaska proposed #agreed 704726 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism 15:19
adamw we have shipped with issues like this in the past - things anaconda bashes its way around but yum chokes on - and all we've done is simply document them in the 'upgrading with yum' wiki page 15:19
adamw ack 15:19
tflink ack 15:19
jlaska ack from me ... will stay tuned for feedback from peter 15:19
jlaska anyone else ? ack/nak/patch? 15:20
brunowolff +1 15:20
vhumpa +1 15:20
jlaska okay, I think that should be enough 15:20
jlaska #agreed 704726 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism 15:20
jlaska The 3 remaining bugs appear to be the same ... any objections if we follow that plan for all 4 yum upgrade bugs? 15:21
adamw that's what i was going to suggest 15:21
brunowolff Sounds like a good plan to me. 15:21
tflink no objections here 15:21
jlaska okay, bare with me for a moment while I fiddle with #agreed 15:21
adamw btw, in case it wasn't clear, this is doubly odd because peter seems to be the only one seeingi t 15:21
jlaska #agreed 704727 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism 15:21
adamw i've done a yum upgrade and didn't see this, and i think others have too 15:21
jlaska #agreed 704728 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism 15:21
jlaska #agreed 704729 - tentatively agree to keep on list awaiting additional feedback from reporter. If conditions hold, likely not a blocker since yum upgrades are not the official upgrade mechanism 15:21
jlaska yay for sequential bug #'s 15:21
jlaska adamw: wonder if it makes a differnce if your F14 system is updated before doing the F15 upgrade? 15:22
tflink wasn't there a time where updates weren't being pushed to updates-testing? I remember hitting that missing js build issue on friday 15:22
brunowolff I saw something similar when I did some yum upgrades a while back. I think some old applets were pinning old packages so that the transaction ended up with both new and old stuff. 15:22
tflink or am I remembering wrong? 15:22
adamw jlaska: possibly, and it could be to do with the repos selected too, but still 15:23
adamw my f14 system that i upgraded was fully updated 15:23
jlaska yup, let's stay tuned 15:23
jlaska tflink: I don't know :( 15:23
j_dulaney sorry I'm late 15:23
jlaska j_dulaney: hello 15:23
j_dulaney Just got off work 15:23
adamw pbrobinson: heh, just out of time :D 15:23
jlaska speak of the devil ... welcome pbrobinson! 15:23
* pbrobinson waves 15:23
adamw pbrobinson: we just decided to ask you for more information on those yum upgrade bugs, with the unspoken assumption you've been at the crack pipe again 15:23
* j_dulaney wonders what the topic is 15:24
* j_dulaney now knows 15:24
pbrobinson adamw: you know me too well ;-) 15:24
jlaska j_dulaney: reviewing proposed blockers 15:24
brunowolff Note that gnome-desktop3 and gnome desktop are different and I think this makes it possible for gnome-desktop to be kept if something requires it even though its obsoleted. 15:24
adamw pbrobinson: could you attach the full yum output to one of the bugs? you should be able to get it from yum history... 15:24
adamw brunowolff: there's an updated gnome-desktop in f15 repos, as well as gnome-desktop3 . 15:24
pbrobinson adamw: yes. I think I have at least one of them logged 15:25
j_dulaney adamw: btw, that bug we discussed is indeed fixed for me 15:25
jlaska pbrobinson: that's really all we decided so far ... anything else you wanted to raise for those bugs? 15:26
adamw brunowolff: the error message talks about gnome-desktop-2.32.0-2.fc14.i686 , but f15 has 2.32.0-7.fc15 15:26
jlaska odd 15:26
j_dulaney indeed 15:26
pbrobinson I thought I had some logs with me, it appears it was something else. Will need to grab them when I get home in a couple of hours 15:26
jlaska pbrobinson: excellent, thank you. We'll stay tuned to the bugs 15:27
jlaska if nothing else ... let's knock these NTH bugs off the list ... 15:27
adamw thanks peter 15:27
jlaska pbrobinson: always nice to have a special guest visitor :) 15:27
jlaska #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704188 15:27
jlaska #info TypeError: 'NoneType' object is not subscriptable 15:28
pbrobinson btw while I have everyone here, I spoke with dgilmore about cutting the SoaS release just after day 0 in the hope we can get a NM patch that makes wifi vaguely work. He said he had no issues with it but I now have to try and chase Dan to review my failing python patch 15:28
jlaska By definition, I think this constitutes a NTH bug ... but I'm not expecting any anaconda updates (or RC4) at this time, so it's unlikely this will be fixed in F15 (easy to document workaround) 15:28
pbrobinson jlaska: I would like to visit more often but work just seems to constantly blow chunks in terms of time spare at the moment! 15:28
adamw pbrobinson: cool 15:28
j_dulaney pbrobinson: what's up with Python? 15:29
adamw jlaska: areed 15:29
jlaska pbrobinson: no worries ... thanks for the heads up on staggering the SoaS release 15:29
jlaska proposed #agreed 704188 - AcceptedNTH - if anaconda is respun for F15, this fix will be included 15:29
jlaska ack/nak/patch? 15:29
jlaska adamw already ack'd 15:29
vhumpa +1 15:30
tflink ack 15:30
j_dulaney +1 15:30
pbrobinson j_dulaney: not a problem with python. Its a problem with the coder as I don't know python (its been on my todo list to learn). I'm attempting to convert the Sugar NetworkManager code to the 0.9 API and I'm failing! Any help would be appreciated 15:30
brunowolff +1 15:30
jlaska #agreed 704188 - AcceptedNTH - if anaconda is respun for F15, this fix will be included 15:30
jlaska #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=704020 15:30
jlaska #info libpanel_applet changed ABI; not all applets ported 15:30
jlaska already in VERIFIED, and I wonder if this is already in RC3 15:31
* jlaska checks 15:31
adamw jlaska and i are both -1 nth on this after thinking about it a bit 15:31
jlaska oh right, catching up on my comment here :) 15:31
jlaska adamw: the thinking is that this is a perfectly suitable day-0 update, and isn't required on media? 15:32
adamw yeah 15:32
jlaska right on 15:32
j_dulaney Does it block upgrades from F14? 15:32
jlaska proposed #agreed 704020 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades 15:32
j_dulaney Ok 15:33
j_dulaney +1 for that 15:33
tflink ack 15:33
brunowolff +1 15:33
jlaska #agreed 704020 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades 15:33
jlaska last one ... 15:33
jlaska #topic https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703944 15:33
jlaska #info pfstools-octave has broken dependencies. 15:33
jlaska comment#3 has the goods 15:34
adamw -1 15:34
tflink -1 NTH 15:34
jlaska A good bug report, thanks to Orion for filing ... but this seems like the previous ... a perfectly good day-0 update that doesn't require media 15:34
* jlaska works up the #agreed line 15:34
adamw i think dep issues are pretty simple: if they're on the media they should be blocker, if they're not on the media they shouldn't be anything 15:34
brunowolff -1 NTH 15:34
jsmith -1 NTH 15:34
j_dulaney -1 nth 15:34
jlaska #agreed 703944 - RejectedNTH - Suitable as a day-0 update to 'updates' repo, does not inhibit anaconda-based upgrades and isn't referenced in comps 15:35
jlaska okay thanks all for the mini-review 15:35
jlaska we're in good shape so far 15:35
* jlaska knocks wood 15:35
jlaska andw we'll continue to monitor pbrobinson's issues ... and send out drones should things look bad 15:35
j_dulaney Mmm, drones 15:35
adamw we need to finish off the desktop tests too 15:35
j_dulaney The Borg kind, or the SGU kind? 15:35
adamw if anyone wants to help out with the remaining 'desktop' and 'fallback' tests that'd be great 15:35
j_dulaney I'll get fallback 15:36
jlaska #info Desktop validation testing still needed - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test 15:36
jlaska j_dulaney: thank you 15:36
adamw also, for both install and desktop tests, multiple results are good! even if someone else did it already, you can add your results 15:36
jlaska +1 to that 15:36
j_dulaney Indeed 15:36
adamw two 'passes' makes us more confident than one, and one 'pass' plus one 'fail' equals an issue we wouldn't have caught otherwise :) 15:36
vhumpa adamw: I will finish the remaining KDE and Desktop - thanks dualney! 15:36
brunowolff There are some obsoleted packages still in the F15 repo. It would be nice to get those cleared out before the repo is fixed. 15:36
vhumpa +1 too! 15:37
jlaska adamw: btw, I'll update the bz's post-meeting (unless you already did it) 15:37
adamw brunowolff: ah yeah, didn't you mail the list about that? 15:37
adamw jlaska: i didn't, thanks 15:37
brunowolff Yeah, but I didn't get a response from someone who could fix it. 15:37
jlaska dgilmore: ^^^ heads up 15:37
brunowolff I also wasn't sure how to find all such packages. 15:37
adamw brunowolff: we'll try and get dgilmore on it....yeah 15:37
adamw though i think you're actually supposed to go through the whole package retirement process to get rid of such packages 15:38
jlaska #info Some obsolete packages are included in F15 repo ... brunowolff suggested removing them before release 15:38
adamw obsoleted packages hanging around hence tends to happen, i remember i ran into such a one a few weeks back from a much older release 15:38
jlaska If nothing else, we'll move on to AutoQA ... 15:38
jlaska #topic AutoQA update 15:39
* kparal 's topic! 15:39
brunowolff I think the proper process is that the packagers involved are supposed to ask releng to block the packages from the appropriate repos. 15:39
jlaska kparal what's the latest in the world of AutoQA? 15:39
* kparal takes the mic 15:39
kparal Nothing really big this week. The whole week was spent on implementing tickets for 0.5.0 milestone. 15:39
kparal EOF 15:39
brunowolff But once that gets skipped, then I think the issue tends to get lost. 15:39
kparal ok, just kidding 15:39
adamw brunowolff: yeah, that's part of the retirement process, you have to do some other stuff first too. 15:39
jlaska kparal: hah 15:40
kparal I have a few info's in here 15:40
kparal #info kparal implemented package caching in AutoQA (optional, default off). When enabled, it drastically speeds up mainly depcheck runs. 15:40
kparal well, subsequent runs 15:40
kparal not the first one :) 15:40
kparal #info jskladan introduced an algorithm to filter interesting information from depcheck log about why a particular package has broken dependencies 15:40
jlaska Cool, so this is mostly for folks testing depcheck ... not something we'll use in production? 15:40
kparal jlaska: I'd use it for developers for now 15:41
jlaska gotcha 15:41
kparal on productions we would have to solve issues like /tmp cleaning, etc 15:41
kparal e.g. you must not clean in when test it running 15:41
kparal *it 15:41
jlaska there goes your cache! :) 15:41
j_dulaney That would be interesting 15:41
tflink bah, who needs the actual packages during a test :-D 15:42
jlaska tflink: yup, details! :) 15:42
kparal ok, as for jskladan's algorithm, it should be in autoqa-devel now, but I still didn't have time to check it out 15:42
kparal #info we started to nicely document our test cases. First piece is upgradepath. 15:43
kparal #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_tests/Upgradepath 15:43
kparal I always wonder whether I'm not repeating something said in the last meeting. I hope not :) 15:43
kparal #info tflink worked on issue of yum getting stuck in a loop that generated huge depcheck logs. When new yum builds land in stable repos, we should be have that handled. 15:43
j_dulaney Just out of curiosity, would I be better off trying to reconstruct my resultsDB work, or would it be more constructive for me to do something else? 15:43
jlaska love the "Fixing the failures" section ... that seems to cover sgallagh's request for providing tips for resolving 15:43
kparal j_dulaney: let's talk at fedora-qa after the meeting 15:44
j_dulaney Right 15:44
kparal #info vhumpa created a pretty text template for our future test reports 15:44
kparal #link http://vhumpa.fedorapeople.org/prettylog_upgradepath_example2.txt 15:44
adamw go vita 15:44
kparal and that's all from my list 15:44
jlaska *much* nicer output! 15:44
kparal I may have forgotten about someone, speak up please 15:45
vhumpa I am finishing class that will construct this for all the tests 15:45
jlaska Quick update on the gi-normous test logs in production ... our compression script (thank you vita) seems to be working well and keeping things under control. It runs every 2 hours and compresses logs > 100M. With current disk space, test results will be kept for 15 days 15:46
jlaska one of our test clients is out of action at the moment (qa06) ... I'm investigating why 15:46
kparal that's acceptable. but in the long run, I'd like to aim higher :) 15:47
jlaska kparal: sure 15:47
vhumpa Yay for now :-) ! 15:47
tflink it looks like the F15 yum update is pending push to stable and F14 is missing 1 karma 15:47
jlaska tflink: well, I could certainly deploy the f14 version and supply karma based on that :) 15:47
tflink the biggest offender in generating obscenely huge logs should be taken care of 15:47
jlaska it would be in keeping with our mascot 15:47
kparal :)) 15:48
tflink jlaska: the code change is pretty simple, a couple of lines I think 15:48
jlaska anything else we need to cover on the AutoQA front? 15:49
kparal all from me 15:49
tflink nothing I can think of 15:49
jlaska okay, thanks gang. Moving on ... 15:49
jlaska #topic Upcoming QA events 15:49
jlaska I think everyone knows this already, but for consistency sake ... 15:50
jlaska #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html 15:50
jlaska #info Tuesday, May 17 - Go/NoGo meeting - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Go_No_Go_Meeting 15:50
jlaska This is tomorrow, it will be fun, and we all hope it's good news 15:50
jlaska #info Tuesday, May 24 - Final (GA) release 15:50
jlaska that's all I've got listed 15:50
jlaska #info Open Discussion - <your topic here> 15:51
jlaska anything not previously discussed that needs mentioned here? 15:51
rbergeron :) 15:51
satellit_ soas will get a little more time for bug fixes? 15:52
jlaska I'm still catching up on the mailing list ... a lot of feedback over the weekend 15:52
j_dulaney I move we wrap things up 15:52
adamw satellit_: probably, pbrobinson said he'd talked to dgilmore about that 15:52
satellit_ ok 15:52
jlaska #info pbrobinson talking to dgilmore about shifting the SoaS release date to include some day-0 fixes 15:53
jlaska Okay, I'm setting the fuse for 1 minute ... 15:53
jlaska last call for topics ... 15:53
pbrobinson adamw satellit_: yes, I spoke about cutting the release after zero day updates hit to enable us to try and get a NM 0.9 patch in to at least give us working WiFi. 15:53
adamw i think it may be better to do it by pushing sugar-only patches into the f15 repo late, but we can figure that out later 15:54
* jlaska holds on #endmeeting 15:54
jlaska alright ... I think we're done here. Let's continue discussion on the list or #fedora-qa 15:54
pbrobinson adamw: that could work as well 15:54
adamw yup 15:54
j_dulaney pbrobinson: Whatup with Wifi? 15:55
jlaska Happy testing all, let's stay on top of our bugs and keep pushing for a successful release! 15:55
jlaska #endmeeting 15:55

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