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* jlaska (178)
* adamw (43)
* j_dulaney (31)
* tflink (29)
* kparal (23)
* rbergeron (21)
* athmane (19)
* vhumpa (10)
* brunowolff (9)
* zodbot (4)
* jsmith (3)
* twoerner (2)
* jskladan (1)
* mkrizek (1)
* robatino (1)


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= Agenda =
= Agenda =
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101230.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101230.html Proposed meeting agenda]
* [FIXME MeetBot summary]
* [http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-07-11/fedora-qa.2011-07-11-15.00.html MeetBot summary]


== Gnome Shell duplicate application names ==
== Gnome Shell duplicate application names ==
# Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream
# Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names
# Not a BLOCKER for Fedora 16, but considered a NTH
# ACTION: j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!


== Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing ==
== Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing ==
# Fedora 16 QA schedule - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
# twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16, will be testing and posting a matrix for review starting this week
# Brunowolf and athmane discussed some grub related issues that may impact the Alpha (e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722)
# Jlaska also reminded that, coming to a #fedora-bugzappers channel near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1.  For the current list of proposed and accepted blockers, refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
# ACTION: jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday


== AutoQA updates ==
== AutoQA updates ==
# AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane
# Related announcement blog posts include http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/ and http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less
# Work has started on discussing 0.6.0 development - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html
# A nice new AutoQA release process SOP is in the works - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process
# There is a scheduled AutoQA outage this Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan.  tflink volunteered to send a more formal announcement letting maintainers know
# Jlaska discussed the possibility of upgrading the autoqa server to RHEL6, tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa


== R<sup>3</sup> - Retrospective recommendation review ==
== R<sup>3</sup> - Retrospective recommendation review ==
* Jlaska reminded folks that the retrospective recommendations are still out for review (refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations)
# Just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
* If no additional feedback, jlaska will create tickets and a draft retrospective SOP this week
# flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards
# More information avialable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations


== Cloud SIG testing ==
== Cloud SIG testing ==
# This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
# athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2)
# The remaining issues include 1) how the AMIs should be built, and 2) figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs
# ACTION: rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas (jlaska, 15:57:13)


== Security lab SPIN matrix ==
== Security lab SPIN matrix ==
# https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207
# adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix
# athmane volunteered to propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event


== Open Discussion - <your topic here> ==
== Open Discussion - <your topic here> ==


= Action Items =
= Action Items =
# j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
# jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
# rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
# athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix


= IRC Log =
= IRC Log =
{|
|- id="t15:00:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t15:00:24|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:24"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 15:00:24 2011 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:00:24|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:24"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:24|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:27|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:27"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:27|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Roll Call
|| [[#t15:00:30|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:48"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney was just given free noms, and is also present in his Pirate garb
|| [[#t15:00:48|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:53"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yo
|| [[#t15:00:53|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:58"
| colspan="2" | * athmane is here but at $dayjob :(
|| [[#t15:00:58|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | hellooo gang
|| [[#t15:00:58|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | athmane: thanks for joining
|| [[#t15:01:09|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:16"
| colspan="2" | * brunowolff is here
|| [[#t15:01:16|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:23"
| colspan="2" | * tflink is here
|| [[#t15:01:23|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:25"
| colspan="2" | * mkrizek is here
|| [[#t15:01:25|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: j_dulaney brunowolff tflink hey folks
|| [[#t15:01:31|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:34"
| colspan="2" | * kparal waives
|| [[#t15:01:34|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome back mkrizek :)
|| [[#t15:01:34|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:37"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney slacked off last week, and must apologize.  He was at the beach
|| [[#t15:01:37|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Howdy kparal and jskladan
|| [[#t15:02:02|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: lucky you :)
|| [[#t15:02:04|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Indeed.
|| [[#t15:02:13|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:14"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron waves
|| [[#t15:02:14|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:16"
| colspan="2" | * kparal waves again, this time correctly "0
|| [[#t15:02:16|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:21"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska gives rbergeron the double guns
|| [[#t15:02:21|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:26"
| colspan="2" | * rbergeron winks at jlaska
|| [[#t15:02:26|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:31"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan tips his hat and laugs out loud to kparal's typo :)
|| [[#t15:02:31|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:02:40|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, anyone else we are missing?  Viking-Ice or robatino?
|| [[#t15:03:16|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:27"
| colspan="2" | * robatino here
|| [[#t15:03:27|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:28"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska will get started in a moment (sometimes referred to as a jiffy)
|| [[#t15:03:28|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:32"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney thought he saw robatino
|| [[#t15:03:32|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Ah, never mind
|| [[#t15:03:39|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | robatino: hey there ... sorry if I missed ya
|| [[#t15:03:44|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... I sent an agenda to the list a little while ago
|| [[#t15:04:01|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110711
|| [[#t15:04:02|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there are a few 'status update' type topics to run through today
|| [[#t15:04:17|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and of course any open discussin
|| [[#t15:04:20|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | let's get movin'
|| [[#t15:04:26|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | of course, welcome back to mkrizek, joining us for round#2 as an intern in Brno, CZ!
|| [[#t15:04:56|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | pschindler will be joining as well, but has a conflict for the meeting today
|| [[#t15:05:11|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Gnome Shell duplicate application names
|| [[#t15:05:21|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Not sure if vhumpa lurks?
|| [[#t15:05:31|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Didn't want this to fall off the radar, wasn't sure if vhumpa or adamw had any updates on this topic
|| [[#t15:05:46|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | iirc, there was a proposed application rename for the XFCE terminal?
|| [[#t15:06:12|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:26"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney hasn't heard any updates
|| [[#t15:06:26|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | In here!
|| [[#t15:06:29|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, that's going through upstream
|| [[#t15:06:30|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:35"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | xfce-terminal ?
|| [[#t15:06:35|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yes
|| [[#t15:06:38|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i don't think there's any other news
|| [[#t15:06:43|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:52"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we didn't get around to doing anything about the s-c-* names yet right vita?
|| [[#t15:06:52|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream
|| [[#t15:07:13|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | welcome again Vita! :)
|| [[#t15:07:26|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:17"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | E-mail asking for an approval for removing some of the duplicate system-config-* utils from the Gnomeshell overview still sits in the desktop mailing list.
|| [[#t15:08:17|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | there was some discussion about suppressing some of them from appearing in the gnome menus
|| [[#t15:08:22|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | not sure if that's going ahead
|| [[#t15:08:25|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-June/007338.html ?
|| [[#t15:08:49|15:08]]
|- id="t15:09:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | Yes, that's the one
|| [[#t15:09:03|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | "would you guys agree to make the 3 duplicate system-config-*
|| [[#t15:09:07|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | utilities "NotShowIn" in GNOME? And if so, what steps should we take to
|| [[#t15:09:07|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | make this so?"
|| [[#t15:09:07|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names
|| [[#t15:09:43|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | is this something we think should be completed for F16?
|| [[#t15:10:40|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | there's no reason why not.
|| [[#t15:10:54|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | at least, the s-c-* bit.
|| [[#t15:10:58|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:13"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | It's really easy to do
|| [[#t15:11:13|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone have suggestions for helping this move forward?
|| [[#t15:11:16|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:19"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | If there is an agreement
|| [[#t15:11:19|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | is a response to that email the blocker, or are there things we can do on the side?
|| [[#t15:11:27|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | well we could just go ahead and change it, but that might be impolite. =)
|| [[#t15:11:59|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:01"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | I don't think thats a blocker
|| [[#t15:12:01|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:12"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | +1 for adamw :)
|| [[#t15:12:12|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it probably just requires more poking of the desktop team. they need a good regular poking.
|| [[#t15:12:14|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:12:19|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it's good for the soul.
|| [[#t15:12:20|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | on both ends I'm sure
|| [[#t15:12:26|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:30"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Poke adamw
|| [[#t15:12:30|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | the poker and the pokee
|| [[#t15:12:31|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | unhand me, you monster!
|| [[#t15:12:39|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:40"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | TMI
|| [[#t15:12:40|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:53"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska waves the #action tag for any volunteers
|| [[#t15:12:53|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:02"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska holds a lollypop in other hand
|| [[#t15:13:02|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:05"
| colspan="2" | * adamw hides behind the couch
|| [[#t15:13:05|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:17"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska waves lollypop towards Vita
|| [[#t15:13:17|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:13:21|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | Ah, I know nothing of the Desktop team ;-)
|| [[#t15:13:29|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | jk ... if no one wants it, I'll be happy to nudge
|| [[#t15:13:34|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | vhumpa: haha
|| [[#t15:13:36|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:39"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney dislikes sweets.  A pizza would be better incentive
|| [[#t15:13:39|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:01"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Or cucumbers.  In vast quantities
|| [[#t15:14:01|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:03"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | Some poking in the IRC might be sufficient
|| [[#t15:14:03|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska:  I'll do it
|| [[#t15:14:11|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
|| [[#t15:14:23|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | As long as I get cucumbers
|| [[#t15:14:26|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:32"
! style="background-color: #488888" | vhumpa
| style="color: #488888" | j_dulaney: you are a saint
|| [[#t15:14:32|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | you can have my favorite cucumber
|| [[#t15:14:47|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | he's called Mr. Pokey
|| [[#t15:14:50|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... anything else here, other than requesting a cucumber themed non-beefy miracle?
|| [[#t15:15:06|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Ok.....
|| [[#t15:15:08|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | j_dulaney: would this work for cucumbers? http://cukes.info/
|| [[#t15:15:10|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:15:17|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | its testing related :-D
|| [[#t15:15:21|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:41"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | twoerner
| style="color: #4d4d93" | the fesco meeting is in about 2 hours, right?
|| [[#t15:15:41|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, moving on ...
|| [[#t15:15:52|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing
|| [[#t15:15:57|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:06"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | twoerner: yeah
|| [[#t15:16:06|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:13"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | twoerner
| style="color: #4d4d93" | tflink: thx
|| [[#t15:16:13|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw reminded me last week that RATS have entered the building!
|| [[#t15:16:31|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | of course, where RATs == Rawhide Acceptance Tests
|| [[#t15:16:46|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:57"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | they're eating all the cucumbers
|| [[#t15:16:57|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#t15:16:57|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: I believe they are
|| [[#t15:17:01|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I've spoken to Tao Wu who did a real nice job running the RATs during F15 ... he's agreed to lead this for F16 as well
|| [[#t15:17:24|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so many thanks to twu!!
|| [[#t15:17:40|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yay
|| [[#t15:17:43|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I expect we'll have a combination of autoqa rats_{install,sanity} results later this week ... along with some announcements on test@lists.fedoraproject.org discussing issues/bugs etc..
|| [[#t15:18:11|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | Grub seems to be messed up in rawhide.
|| [[#t15:18:36|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I've also asked for Tao to think about incorporating live images into the RATs tests this release ... since we keep having alpha-blocking live related issues each Alpha release
|| [[#t15:18:40|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:03"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | That might slow things down unless it is hardware specific.
|| [[#t15:19:03|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
|| [[#t15:19:11|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: yeah it definitely might, thanks for the heads up
|| [[#t15:19:19|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:27"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | Bug 718722
|| [[#t15:19:27|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I've been hitting some deps problems while trying to compose testable install images
|| [[#t15:19:29|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 718722
|| [[#t15:19:33|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:35"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | jlaska: Bug 718722 Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722
|| [[#t15:19:35|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:03"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | this affect the recent grub update too
|| [[#t15:20:03|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:07"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | on f15
|| [[#t15:20:07|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think twu will file a ticket to get help from rel-eng creating the PXEboot+boot.iso images for test
|| [[#t15:20:09|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | When is the divergence?
|| [[#t15:20:37|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | has been un-pushed
|| [[#t15:20:39|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:40"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | I also marked a cpu lockup bug as a possible blocker, but it only seems to affect some hardware, so the impact for testing might be low.
|| [[#t15:20:40|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Tao will create the test results wiki page probably tomorrow ... as with our normal test runs, please feel free to add these issues to the list of bugs found
|| [[#t15:21:16|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and of course ... the appropriate blocker list
|| [[#t15:21:26|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:36"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | And that one has a potential fix I am hoping to test tonight.
|| [[#t15:21:36|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
|| [[#t15:21:52|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:07"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | So, by Wednesday I'll start playing with it.
|| [[#t15:22:07|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: guess what starts this Friday?
|| [[#t15:22:14|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:25"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | free unicorns for all?
|| [[#t15:22:25|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:29"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | The grub bug seems to be do to a change outside of grub. Maybe the C compiler.
|| [[#t15:22:29|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | you got it ... in the form of ...
|| [[#t15:22:31|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:39"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | s/do/due/
|| [[#t15:22:39|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Coming to a #fedora-bugzappers near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1
|| [[#t15:22:55|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | brunowolff: thanks for chasing that one down
|| [[#t15:23:05|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: unicorns sound like more fun :-P
|| [[#t15:23:21|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | blocker meetings: like unicorns, only way more tedious
|| [[#t15:23:23|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: they definitely are!
|| [[#t15:23:28|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and less tasty
|| [[#t15:23:34|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Flying Unicorns?
|| [[#t15:23:35|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | what kind of sick and twisted individual...
|| [[#t15:23:49|15:23]]
|- id="t15:23:54"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | would eat a blocker meeting?
|| [[#t15:23:54|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska, it would seem
|| [[#t15:24:08|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Unless anyone else is anxious for it ... I'll send out a blocker meeting reminder on Wednesday
|| [[#t15:24:26|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
|| [[#t15:24:44|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:47"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | brunowolff
| style="color: #97974f" | Please no 4 hour meetings this release.
|| [[#t15:24:47|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | agreed!
|| [[#t15:24:50|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:03"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jsmith
| style="color: #9b519b" | Here here!
|| [[#t15:25:03|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I think we'll be able to move through all those systemd proposed bugs in one big swoop
|| [[#t15:25:06|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | +1
|| [[#t15:25:11|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | easy way to fix the meeting time ... stop introducing bugs :)
|| [[#t15:25:14|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so ... thanks to twu for agreeing to manage the RATs runs this release
|| [[#t15:25:33|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | brunowolff: don't worry, we're aiming for a minimum of seven
|| [[#t15:25:38|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:38"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | did we ever get anywhere on suggestions on how to make the blocker meetings less painful?
|| [[#t15:25:38|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and thanks to several of you for already testing F16/rawhide
|| [[#t15:25:45|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:52"
| colspan="2" | * tflink remembers something about pre-processing the bugs
|| [[#t15:25:52|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: I have not received any feedback on that subject
|| [[#t15:25:55|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | tflink: i don't think that went anywhere yet
|| [[#t15:26:00|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: we can talk more about that shortly ...
|| [[#t15:26:01|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that's another topic on the list
|| [[#t15:26:06|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | but first ...
|| [[#t15:26:10|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if you act now ... you'll get ...
|| [[#t15:26:17|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic AutoQA updates
|| [[#t15:26:19|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any takers to walk us through the latest from AutoQA land?
|| [[#t15:26:33|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | s/takers/volunteers/
|| [[#t15:26:38|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:04"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | the big update is...
|| [[#t15:27:04|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:10"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | 0.5.0 release
|| [[#t15:27:10|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:20"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone
|| [[#t15:27:20|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:26"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | I guess we didn't announce it here already, right? :)
|| [[#t15:27:26|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:45"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | there are some blogposts about it:
|| [[#t15:27:45|15:27]]
|- id="t15:27:47"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/
|| [[#t15:27:47|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane
|| [[#t15:28:02|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:10"
| colspan="2" | * kparal looking for tflink's blog
|| [[#t15:28:10|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:26"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | And, already, work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6
|| [[#t15:28:26|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less
|| [[#t15:28:32|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:35"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska loves that title :)
|| [[#t15:28:35|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:08"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | we didn't receive much complaints lately
|| [[#t15:29:08|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:10"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | It is awesome
|| [[#t15:29:10|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:16"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | which means it probably works
|| [[#t15:29:16|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:45"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | currently we began planning 0.6 release
|| [[#t15:29:45|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Also known as ... "Our most important release to date" :)
|| [[#t15:30:00|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:17"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | and with 4 more hands, we should code faster than ever :))
|| [[#t15:30:17|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:51"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | mkrizek was already working on AutoQA and now re-joined
|| [[#t15:30:51|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:01"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | and Petr Schindler will introduce himself next week
|| [[#t15:31:01|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | cool
|| [[#t15:31:09|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6.0 - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html
|| [[#t15:31:20|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | awesome, we tricked mkrizek into coming back!!
|| [[#t15:31:33|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:41"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska puts the carrots back in the drawer
|| [[#t15:31:41|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:59"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | team: any other news worth mentioning?
|| [[#t15:31:59|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info nice new AutoQA SOP in the making - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process
|| [[#t15:32:30|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | downtime for infra upgrades
|| [[#t15:32:36|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: thanks for the reminder ..
|| [[#t15:32:44|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:49"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | are they scheduled?
|| [[#t15:32:49|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:53"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | tomorrow, I think
|| [[#t15:32:53|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yup, it's happening tomorrow
|| [[#t15:32:54|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | thats what the notice said, anyways
|| [[#t15:33:01|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone have suggestions for how best to coordinate this?
|| [[#t15:33:07|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | should we announce this outage anywhere?
|| [[#t15:33:21|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: probably should
|| [[#t15:33:36|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:56"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: are they upgrading our production instance, or it will just be shut down?
|| [[#t15:33:56|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | do we know how long we're going to be down with the HW move and SW upgrades?
|| [[#t15:33:58|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: tflink: can one of you guys handle that?
|| [[#t15:34:00|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: sure, I can do that.
|| [[#t15:34:15|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:19"
| colspan="2" | * kparal missed the notice
|| [[#t15:34:19|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: thanks, hit me up afterwards for more guidance on outage time frame etc...
|| [[#t15:34:28|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: it's a fresh install, and we'll have access to our old instance for a _short_ while before those resources are taken back
|| [[#t15:34:51|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: if you need something i'll be around
|| [[#t15:34:54|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:05"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: it means RHEL 6?
|| [[#t15:35:05|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info AutoQA outage scheduled for Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan
|| [[#t15:35:13|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: it'd like for it to mean that :)
|| [[#t15:35:26|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:29"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | kparal: the announcement went out to devel@ - I don't think that it went to test@
|| [[#t15:35:29|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:43"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | that would be great
|| [[#t15:35:43|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: yes it would :D
|| [[#t15:35:47|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:07"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | athmane: thanks, do you want to be cc'd on plans?
|| [[#t15:36:07|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I expect we'll likely run into some minor upgrade issues
|| [[#t15:36:12|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | specifics, anyways
|| [[#t15:36:15|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that's how those things work ... I'm planning to just work with infrastructure to push through
|| [[#t15:36:32|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:36"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | yay for no more python 2.4 hacks!!!!
|| [[#t15:36:36|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | :)
|| [[#t15:36:38|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa
|| [[#t15:36:55|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:55"
| colspan="2" | * kparal yay
|| [[#t15:36:55|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:57"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | tflink: sure, I'm also on #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc
|| [[#t15:36:57|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | note, autotest itself still will support python-2.4 ... but I don't think that's something we need to worry about
|| [[#t15:37:11|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: tflink: any objections if I move my proposed Makefile patch into 'master'?
|| [[#t15:37:34|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:55"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: nope, I just started trying it out this morning
|| [[#t15:37:55|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:00"
! style="background-color: #539e9e" | kparal
| style="color: #539e9e" | jlaska: no
|| [[#t15:38:00|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:01"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | looks fine so far
|| [[#t15:38:01|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: cool, lemme know if you hit any bugs
|| [[#t15:38:02|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: kparal: thanks
|| [[#t15:38:12|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else to hilight on autoqa?
|| [[#t15:38:29|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | nothing I can think of
|| [[#t15:38:47|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks gang for the great 0.5.0 release ... and for getting that ball rollin' for 0.6.0!
|| [[#t15:39:07|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic R^3 - Retrospective recommendation review
|| [[#t15:39:20|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | nothing amazing to report here ...
|| [[#t15:39:31|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:50"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | No flying unicorns?
|| [[#t15:39:50|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:57"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | Or cucumbers?
|| [[#t15:39:57|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
|| [[#t15:39:57|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | athmane, rhe and adamw have already been making tons of progress on related items from the list ... so thank you
|| [[#t15:40:28|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
|| [[#t15:40:37|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards
|| [[#t15:40:53|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | the topic tflink mentioned earlier is on this list ...
|| [[#t15:41:27|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | flying cucumbers? i want me one of those
|| [[#t15:41:30|15:41]]
|- id="t15:41:42"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | waiting for some brave soul to create the request and get this starting
|| [[#t15:41:42|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations
|| [[#t15:42:12|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:25"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | jlaska: the one about blocker review process?
|| [[#t15:42:25|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | tflink: you got it ... "Brainstorm for ways to reduce the blocker review meeting length - The meetings are required, effective but far too long. How can we encourage more offline/asynchronous bug processing"
|| [[#t15:42:47|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | also on this subject ... I'm in the process of creating an SOP to outline the QA Retrospective process
|| [[#t15:43:03|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll send that to the list for feedback once I flesh out some more content
|| [[#t15:43:22|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: did you already address the need for betanag criteria?
|| [[#t15:43:52|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska:  Review RHBZ #704030 with rel-eng to identify cause and make appropriate SOP changes to ensure issue is not repeated, has someone got that?
|| [[#t15:44:00|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I know we talked about it ... but I can't remember if that was already addressed, or still in idea phase
|| [[#t15:44:04|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:11"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | If not, I will
|| [[#t15:44:11|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: if you don't see a ticket for it ... go for it!
|| [[#t15:44:13|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:25"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney will grab it
|| [[#t15:44:25|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:27"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: oh, good one. no, didn't do anything yet iirc
|| [[#t15:44:27|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: I can create the ticket if you like, just shout
|| [[#t15:44:29|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:55"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska:  I will
|| [[#t15:44:55|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: those might be of interest to you (and anyone else who loves unicorns and release criteria) - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Release_Criteria
|| [[#t15:45:04|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | j_dulaney: thank you!!
|| [[#t15:45:08|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, any questions/comments/concerns on the F15 retrospective topic
|| [[#t15:45:46|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:56"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska prepares to move on ...
|| [[#t15:45:56|15:45]]
|- id="t15:45:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | shiny
|| [[#t15:45:56|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Cloud SIG testing
|| [[#t15:46:45|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
|| [[#t15:47:03|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
|| [[#t15:47:22|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page
|| [[#t15:47:52|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2
|| [[#t15:47:55|15:47]]
|- id="t15:48:28"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | The issue here is I haven't got any EC2 space
|| [[#t15:48:28|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | my understanding is we are trying to decide on a date for the event
|| [[#t15:48:29|15:48]]
|- id="t15:48:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | is the sig on board with this?
|| [[#t15:48:29|15:48]]
|- id="t15:49:03"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built
|| [[#t15:49:03|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | This issue was raised during the trip to SELF, namely, how get more people to test this without spending too much money
|| [[#t15:49:09|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:10"
| colspan="2" | * athmane is confused in that matter
|| [[#t15:49:10|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:15"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | and whether its possible for the BG built AMIs to be blessed by rel-eng
|| [[#t15:49:15|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built
|| [[#t15:49:24|15:49]]
|- id="t15:49:32"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: still around?
|| [[#t15:49:32|15:49]]
|- id="t15:50:08"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | rbergeron would know more but I believe that the desire was to have a late F15 test day for the AMIs and schedule another one for F16
|| [[#t15:50:08|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:34"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | when I wrote test page / test cases I supposed using fedora as server but amazon specific tests are required imho
|| [[#t15:50:34|15:50]]
|- id="t15:50:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, it may be ... so who has the ball on this request?
|| [[#t15:50:57|15:50]]
|- id="t15:51:08"
| colspan="2" | * tflink needs to get off his butt and start some conversations on S3/EBS
|| [[#t15:51:08|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:12"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | jlaska: yes.
|| [[#t15:51:12|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:32"
| colspan="2" | * athmane does not use public cloud (amazon etc...)
|| [[#t15:51:32|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:36"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | ONLY for you, and adamw, and tflink, and athmane, and j_dulaney, though. :)
|| [[#t15:51:36|15:51]]
|- id="t15:51:37"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | rbergeron:  What is the status of providing space for testing purposes?
|| [[#t15:51:37|15:51]]
|- id="t15:52:18"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | j_dulaney: on amazon? I'm working with the guy to try and get AWS credits set up. It's not going to be soon, though. Probably more towards end of F16.
|| [[#t15:52:18|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:22"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | In the interim:
|| [[#t15:52:22|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:27"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | For those that want to participate
|| [[#t15:52:27|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:44"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | I believe the cost is *incredibly* low, like... a few dollars.
|| [[#t15:52:44|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:46"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | And I will send them 5 bucks.
|| [[#t15:52:46|15:52]]
|- id="t15:52:53"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | Because I am tired of screwing around with it.
|| [[#t15:52:53|15:52]]
|- id="t15:53:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | we can put that on the test day page, i guess.
|| [[#t15:53:03|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:06"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | I will send it via paypal or USPS. Whatever. LOL
|| [[#t15:53:06|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | heh
|| [[#t15:53:13|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | get paid (a minuscule amount) to test fedora!
|| [[#t15:53:20|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:23"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | rbergeron: :)
|| [[#t15:53:23|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:26"
| colspan="2" | * j_dulaney notes that he still hasn't a credit card
|| [[#t15:53:26|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:29"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | It would be nice if someone could verify that it's going to be that low of cost, so I'll see if I can get gholms to maybe estimate.
|| [[#t15:53:29|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:39"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | But I seroiusly believe it would be very low cost.
|| [[#t15:53:39|15:53]]
|- id="t15:53:58"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | once we get the test cases hammered out, I can go through them and get an estimate
|| [[#t15:53:58|15:53]]
|- id="t15:54:05"
| colspan="2" | * jsmith estimates two or three dollars at most
|| [[#t15:54:05|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:26"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | Because basically, "community account" means that anyone can do anything, including setting up a personal server for selling pretty pictures over the internet, which would cost 8 zillion dollars.
|| [[#t15:54:26|15:54]]
|- id="t15:54:30"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | yeah.
|| [[#t15:54:30|15:54]]
|- id="t15:55:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Trying to figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs
|| [[#t15:55:00|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:35"
| colspan="2" | * kparal and jskladan departs
|| [[#t15:55:35|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so we need some additional test cases too? or is what athmane has good?
|| [[#t15:55:51|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: jskladan: thank you
|| [[#t15:55:55|15:55]]
|- id="t15:55:58"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | If and when we can get AWS credits going, it will make it a bit easier. (And Amazon will pay for it, too.)
|| [[#t15:55:58|15:55]]
|- id="t15:56:17"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | jlaska: everyone in the cloud sig seemed comfortable with what was listed.
|| [[#t15:56:17|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | rbergeron: yeah, that seems to be a significant participation roadblock
|| [[#t15:56:22|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:35"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | I'll send an email now saying, Please speak in the next few days, or forever hold your peace.
|| [[#t15:56:35|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:37"
| colspan="2" | * athmane distracted by th phone
|| [[#t15:56:37|15:56]]
|- id="t15:56:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, anything else to track here?
|| [[#t15:56:44|15:56]]
|- id="t15:57:03"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | jlaska: yeah, but assuming we don't have 500 people show up, and it's like 100 bucks or less from my pocket, it should be fine to paypal/cash reimburse people in the short-term.
|| [[#t15:57:03|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #action rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
|| [[#t15:57:13|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:26"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | rbergeron: you might want to add "get approval first" to that process
|| [[#t15:57:26|15:57]]
|- id="t15:57:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | if it isn't already there
|| [[#t15:57:32|15:57]]
|- id="t15:58:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | tflink
| style="color: #4b904b" | I'm just thinking something along the lines of "send an email first" but maybe that's not really needed
|| [[#t15:58:10|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | any other action items or tasks associated with this topic?
|| [[#t15:58:19|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | in the interest of time ... looking to move on
|| [[#t15:58:29|15:58]]
|- id="t15:58:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we can obviously discuss this more on the list, on #fedora-qa ... or next week
|| [[#t15:58:46|15:58]]
|- id="t15:59:01"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | yeah. I dunno.
|| [[#t15:59:01|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:11"
! style="background-color: #a25555" | rbergeron
| style="color: #a25555" | tflink: maybe it's a "if you're one of the first 15 or 20" or something.
|| [[#t15:59:11|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | that seems reasonable
|| [[#t15:59:23|15:59]]
|- id="t15:59:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | first 20 people to participate, are compensated (up to a X dollar limit)
|| [[#t15:59:40|15:59]]
|- id="t16:00:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | everyone else gets IOU's
|| [[#t16:00:01|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Security Lab SPIN matrix
|| [[#t16:00:29|16:00]]
|- id="t16:00:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207
|| [[#t16:00:33|16:00]]
|- id="t16:01:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | athmane created this nice test matrix ... do we have a plan for how to incorporate this into our release process?
|| [[#t16:01:02|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:21"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | please at least on beta or rcX
|| [[#t16:01:21|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | or is the idea this will just be used for self-hosting security SPIN testing?
|| [[#t16:01:22|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: any thoughts? ^^
|| [[#t16:01:35|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:41"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | self-hosting sound great
|| [[#t16:01:41|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:49"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | *sounds
|| [[#t16:01:49|16:01]]
|- id="t16:01:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | it looks great
|| [[#t16:01:56|16:01]]
|- id="t16:02:00"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: there isn't much we need to do
|| [[#t16:02:00|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: just adjust the SOP that says what to do when a pre-release goes out to include that matrix
|| [[#t16:02:17|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | right ... my question is whether we include this matrix in the list of matrices that robatino and rhe announce for test events
|| [[#t16:02:20|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:24"
| colspan="2" | * athmane may add some security testcases in the near future
|| [[#t16:02:24|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:28"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i was planning to add the security matrix and the base matrix to the SOP at the same time
|| [[#t16:02:28|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: yeah that's what I was wondering
|| [[#t16:02:30|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | sure
|| [[#t16:02:32|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | put 'em all in the right categories and that's it, really
|| [[#t16:02:51|16:02]]
|- id="t16:02:52"
! style="background-color: #854685" | j_dulaney
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska +1 for including in test event announces
|| [[#t16:02:52|16:02]]
|- id="t16:03:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix
|| [[#t16:03:28|16:03]]
|- id="t16:03:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | so it ok to run test once peer cycle
|| [[#t16:03:39|16:03]]
|- id="t16:04:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone want to volunteer a SOP patch?  like something against https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event
|| [[#t16:04:03|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: If I may, do you think you have room to include this with your 'base' matrix changes?
|| [[#t16:04:31|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | sure
|| [[#t16:04:38|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | or athmane can do it
|| [[#t16:04:48|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:51"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | either way we'll get it done =)
|| [[#t16:04:51|16:04]]
|- id="t16:04:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | excellent
|| [[#t16:04:57|16:04]]
|- id="t16:05:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info athmane or adamw will propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event
|| [[#t16:05:19|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | athmane: there's no real drawback to publishing it for each pre-release afaics, then we make sure the security list is notified, and they can run through it as often as they choose
|| [[#t16:05:24|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:24"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | athmane
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | adamw: I try to do it, it a great experience
|| [[#t16:05:24|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:29"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | and qa folks can pitch in too
|| [[#t16:05:29|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | athmane: thanks for volunteering!!
|| [[#t16:05:30|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | cool
|| [[#t16:05:32|16:05]]
|- id="t16:05:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Discussion - &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t16:05:58|16:05]]
|- id="t16:06:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything not previously discussed that folk would like to cover here?
|| [[#t16:06:09|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:17"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska sets the 2 minute #endmeeting fuse
|| [[#t16:06:17|16:06]]
|- id="t16:06:42"
! style="background-color: #9b519b" | jsmith
| style="color: #9b519b" | Just another "thank you" from the FPL -- I'm seeing great things in QA, and that makes me proud
|| [[#t16:06:42|16:06]]
|- id="t16:07:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | agreed
|| [[#t16:07:08|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101166.html
|| [[#t16:07:09|16:07]]
|- id="t16:07:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | less than ~30 seconds remaining until #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:07:53|16:07]]
|- id="t16:08:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | if no other topics, I'll follow-up to the list with meeting minutes
|| [[#t16:08:09|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks everyone for your time today ... happy testing!!
|| [[#t16:08:18|16:08]]
|- id="t16:08:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t16:08:20|16:08]]
|}
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Attendees

People present (lines said):

  • jlaska (178)
  • adamw (43)
  • j_dulaney (31)
  • tflink (29)
  • kparal (23)
  • rbergeron (21)
  • athmane (19)
  • vhumpa (10)
  • brunowolff (9)
  • zodbot (4)
  • jsmith (3)
  • twoerner (2)
  • jskladan (1)
  • mkrizek (1)
  • robatino (1)

Unable to attend:

  1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
  2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
  3. wutao85 (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

Gnome Shell duplicate application names

  1. Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream
  2. Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names
  3. Not a BLOCKER for Fedora 16, but considered a NTH
  4. ACTION: j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!

Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing

  1. Fedora 16 QA schedule - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html
  2. twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16, will be testing and posting a matrix for review starting this week
  3. Brunowolf and athmane discussed some grub related issues that may impact the Alpha (e.g. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722)
  4. Jlaska also reminded that, coming to a #fedora-bugzappers channel near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1. For the current list of proposed and accepted blockers, refer to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers
  5. ACTION: jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday

AutoQA updates

  1. AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane
  2. Related announcement blog posts include http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/ and http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less
  3. Work has started on discussing 0.6.0 development - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html
  4. A nice new AutoQA release process SOP is in the works - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process
  5. There is a scheduled AutoQA outage this Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan. tflink volunteered to send a more formal announcement letting maintainers know
  6. Jlaska discussed the possibility of upgrading the autoqa server to RHEL6, tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa

R3 - Retrospective recommendation review

  1. Just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look
  2. flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards
  3. More information avialable at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations

Cloud SIG testing

  1. This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images
  2. athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2)
  3. The remaining issues include 1) how the AMIs should be built, and 2) figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs
  4. ACTION: rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas (jlaska, 15:57:13)

Security lab SPIN matrix

  1. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207
  2. adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix
  3. athmane volunteered to propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event

Open Discussion - <your topic here>

Action Items

  1. j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!!
  2. jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday
  3. rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas
  4. athmane volunteered to update update release validation SOP to include new Security SPIN test matrix

IRC Log

jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 15:00
zodbot Meeting started Mon Jul 11 15:00:24 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Roll Call 15:00
* j_dulaney was just given free noms, and is also present in his Pirate garb 15:00
adamw yo 15:00
* athmane is here but at $dayjob :( 15:00
jlaska hellooo gang 15:00
jlaska athmane: thanks for joining 15:01
* brunowolff is here 15:01
* tflink is here 15:01
* mkrizek is here 15:01
jlaska adamw: j_dulaney brunowolff tflink hey folks 15:01
* kparal waives 15:01
jlaska welcome back mkrizek :) 15:01
* j_dulaney slacked off last week, and must apologize. He was at the beach 15:01
jlaska Howdy kparal and jskladan 15:02
jlaska j_dulaney: lucky you :) 15:02
j_dulaney Indeed. 15:02
* rbergeron waves 15:02
* kparal waves again, this time correctly "0 15:02
* jlaska gives rbergeron the double guns 15:02
* rbergeron winks at jlaska 15:02
* jskladan tips his hat and laugs out loud to kparal's typo :) 15:02
jlaska heh 15:02
jlaska okay, anyone else we are missing? Viking-Ice or robatino? 15:03
* robatino here 15:03
* jlaska will get started in a moment (sometimes referred to as a jiffy) 15:03
* j_dulaney thought he saw robatino 15:03
j_dulaney Ah, never mind 15:03
jlaska robatino: hey there ... sorry if I missed ya 15:03
jlaska okay ... I sent an agenda to the list a little while ago 15:04
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20110711 15:04
jlaska there are a few 'status update' type topics to run through today 15:04
jlaska and of course any open discussin 15:04
jlaska let's get movin' 15:04
jlaska of course, welcome back to mkrizek, joining us for round#2 as an intern in Brno, CZ! 15:04
jlaska pschindler will be joining as well, but has a conflict for the meeting today 15:05
jlaska #topic Gnome Shell duplicate application names 15:05
jlaska Not sure if vhumpa lurks? 15:05
jlaska Didn't want this to fall off the radar, wasn't sure if vhumpa or adamw had any updates on this topic 15:05
jlaska iirc, there was a proposed application rename for the XFCE terminal? 15:06
* j_dulaney hasn't heard any updates 15:06
vhumpa In here! 15:06
adamw yeah, that's going through upstream 15:06
athmane xfce-terminal ? 15:06
adamw yes 15:06
adamw i don't think there's any other news 15:06
adamw we didn't get around to doing anything about the s-c-* names yet right vita? 15:06
jlaska #info Renaming of xfce-terminal application being discussed upstream 15:07
jlaska welcome again Vita! :) 15:07
vhumpa E-mail asking for an approval for removing some of the duplicate system-config-* utils from the Gnomeshell overview still sits in the desktop mailing list. 15:08
adamw there was some discussion about suppressing some of them from appearing in the gnome menus 15:08
adamw not sure if that's going ahead 15:08
jlaska vhumpa: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2011-June/007338.html ? 15:08
vhumpa Yes, that's the one 15:09
jlaska "would you guys agree to make the 3 duplicate system-config-* 15:09
jlaska utilities "NotShowIn" in GNOME? And if so, what steps should we take to 15:09
jlaska make this so?" 15:09
jlaska #info Waiting for desktop@ feedback to resolve duplicate system-config-* application names 15:09
jlaska is this something we think should be completed for F16? 15:10
adamw there's no reason why not. 15:10
adamw at least, the s-c-* bit. 15:10
vhumpa It's really easy to do 15:11
jlaska anyone have suggestions for helping this move forward? 15:11
vhumpa If there is an agreement 15:11
jlaska is a response to that email the blocker, or are there things we can do on the side? 15:11
adamw well we could just go ahead and change it, but that might be impolite. =) 15:11
vhumpa I don't think thats a blocker 15:12
vhumpa +1 for adamw :) 15:12
adamw it probably just requires more poking of the desktop team. they need a good regular poking. 15:12
jlaska heh 15:12
adamw it's good for the soul. 15:12
jlaska on both ends I'm sure 15:12
j_dulaney Poke adamw 15:12
jlaska the poker and the pokee 15:12
adamw unhand me, you monster! 15:12
j_dulaney TMI 15:12
* jlaska waves the #action tag for any volunteers 15:12
* jlaska holds a lollypop in other hand 15:13
* adamw hides behind the couch 15:13
* jlaska waves lollypop towards Vita 15:13
jlaska :) 15:13
vhumpa Ah, I know nothing of the Desktop team ;-) 15:13
jlaska jk ... if no one wants it, I'll be happy to nudge 15:13
jlaska vhumpa: haha 15:13
* j_dulaney dislikes sweets. A pizza would be better incentive 15:13
j_dulaney Or cucumbers. In vast quantities 15:14
vhumpa Some poking in the IRC might be sufficient 15:14
j_dulaney jlaska: I'll do it 15:14
jlaska #action j_dulaney will check-in with desktop team for guidance on s-c-* -- thank you j_dulaney!!! 15:14
j_dulaney As long as I get cucumbers 15:14
vhumpa j_dulaney: you are a saint 15:14
adamw you can have my favorite cucumber 15:14
adamw he's called Mr. Pokey 15:14
jlaska okay ... anything else here, other than requesting a cucumber themed non-beefy miracle? 15:15
j_dulaney Ok..... 15:15
tflink j_dulaney: would this work for cucumbers? http://cukes.info/ 15:15
jlaska heh 15:15
tflink its testing related :-D 15:15
twoerner the fesco meeting is in about 2 hours, right? 15:15
jlaska okay, moving on ... 15:15
jlaska #topic Fedora 16 - Rawhide acceptance testing 15:15
tflink twoerner: yeah 15:16
twoerner tflink: thx 15:16
jlaska adamw reminded me last week that RATS have entered the building! 15:16
jlaska of course, where RATs == Rawhide Acceptance Tests 15:16
adamw they're eating all the cucumbers 15:16
jlaska #link http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html 15:16
jlaska adamw: I believe they are 15:17
jlaska I've spoken to Tao Wu who did a real nice job running the RATs during F15 ... he's agreed to lead this for F16 as well 15:17
jlaska so many thanks to twu!! 15:17
adamw yay 15:17
jlaska I expect we'll have a combination of autoqa rats_{install,sanity} results later this week ... along with some announcements on test@lists.fedoraproject.org discussing issues/bugs etc.. 15:18
brunowolff Grub seems to be messed up in rawhide. 15:18
jlaska I've also asked for Tao to think about incorporating live images into the RATs tests this release ... since we keep having alpha-blocking live related issues each Alpha release 15:18
brunowolff That might slow things down unless it is hardware specific. 15:19
jlaska #info twu agreed to lead Rawhide Acceptance Tests for Fedora 16 - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-quality-tasks.html 15:19
jlaska brunowolff: yeah it definitely might, thanks for the heads up 15:19
brunowolff Bug 718722 15:19
jlaska I've been hitting some deps problems while trying to compose testable install images 15:19
jlaska .bug 718722 15:19
zodbot jlaska: Bug 718722 Mismatched or corrupt version of stage1/stage2 - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718722 15:19
athmane this affect the recent grub update too 15:20
athmane on f15 15:20
jlaska I think twu will file a ticket to get help from rel-eng creating the PXEboot+boot.iso images for test 15:20
j_dulaney When is the divergence? 15:20
athmane has been un-pushed 15:20
brunowolff I also marked a cpu lockup bug as a possible blocker, but it only seems to affect some hardware, so the impact for testing might be low. 15:20
jlaska Tao will create the test results wiki page probably tomorrow ... as with our normal test runs, please feel free to add these issues to the list of bugs found 15:21
jlaska and of course ... the appropriate blocker list 15:21
brunowolff And that one has a potential fix I am hoping to test tonight. 15:21
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers 15:21
j_dulaney So, by Wednesday I'll start playing with it. 15:22
jlaska adamw: guess what starts this Friday? 15:22
adamw free unicorns for all? 15:22
brunowolff The grub bug seems to be do to a change outside of grub. Maybe the C compiler. 15:22
jlaska you got it ... in the form of ... 15:22
brunowolff s/do/due/ 15:22
jlaska #info Coming to a #fedora-bugzappers near you, this Friday, July 15 -- Alpha Blocker Meeting (f16alpha) #1 15:22
jlaska brunowolff: thanks for chasing that one down 15:23
tflink jlaska: unicorns sound like more fun :-P 15:23
adamw blocker meetings: like unicorns, only way more tedious 15:23
jlaska tflink: they definitely are! 15:23
jlaska and less tasty 15:23
j_dulaney Flying Unicorns? 15:23
adamw what kind of sick and twisted individual... 15:23
adamw would eat a blocker meeting? 15:23
j_dulaney jlaska, it would seem 15:24
jlaska Unless anyone else is anxious for it ... I'll send out a blocker meeting reminder on Wednesday 15:24
jlaska #action jlaska will announce F16 Alpha blocker review meeting on Wednesday 15:24
brunowolff Please no 4 hour meetings this release. 15:24
jlaska agreed! 15:24
jsmith Here here! 15:25
jlaska I think we'll be able to move through all those systemd proposed bugs in one big swoop 15:25
j_dulaney +1 15:25
jlaska easy way to fix the meeting time ... stop introducing bugs :) 15:25
jlaska so ... thanks to twu for agreeing to manage the RATs runs this release 15:25
adamw brunowolff: don't worry, we're aiming for a minimum of seven 15:25
tflink did we ever get anywhere on suggestions on how to make the blocker meetings less painful? 15:25
jlaska and thanks to several of you for already testing F16/rawhide 15:25
* tflink remembers something about pre-processing the bugs 15:25
jlaska tflink: I have not received any feedback on that subject 15:25
adamw tflink: i don't think that went anywhere yet 15:26
jlaska tflink: we can talk more about that shortly ... 15:26
jlaska that's another topic on the list 15:26
jlaska but first ... 15:26
jlaska if you act now ... you'll get ... 15:26
jlaska #topic AutoQA updates 15:26
jlaska any takers to walk us through the latest from AutoQA land? 15:26
jlaska s/takers/volunteers/ 15:26
kparal the big update is... 15:27
kparal 0.5.0 release 15:27
athmane the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone 15:27
kparal I guess we didn't announce it here already, right? :) 15:27
kparal there are some blogposts about it: 15:27
kparal #link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2011/06/29/autoqa-0-5-0-released/ 15:27
jlaska #info AutoQA 0.5.0 released - "the new spam-less autoqa is awesome, thanks everyone" -athmane 15:28
* kparal looking for tflink's blog 15:28
j_dulaney And, already, work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6 15:28
jlaska #link http://blog.tirfa.com/autoqa-050-spamalot-less 15:28
* jlaska loves that title :) 15:28
kparal we didn't receive much complaints lately 15:29
j_dulaney It is awesome 15:29
kparal which means it probably works 15:29
kparal currently we began planning 0.6 release 15:29
jlaska Also known as ... "Our most important release to date" :) 15:30
kparal and with 4 more hands, we should code faster than ever :)) 15:30
kparal mkrizek was already working on AutoQA and now re-joined 15:30
kparal and Petr Schindler will introduce himself next week 15:31
adamw cool 15:31
jlaska #info Work has started on listing things to toss into 0.6.0 - https://fedorahosted.org/pipermail/autoqa-devel/2011-July/002524.html 15:31
jlaska awesome, we tricked mkrizek into coming back!! 15:31
* jlaska puts the carrots back in the drawer 15:31
kparal team: any other news worth mentioning? 15:31
jlaska #info nice new AutoQA SOP in the making - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/AutoQA_Release_Process 15:32
tflink downtime for infra upgrades 15:32
jlaska tflink: thanks for the reminder .. 15:32
kparal are they scheduled? 15:32
tflink tomorrow, I think 15:32
jlaska yup, it's happening tomorrow 15:32
tflink thats what the notice said, anyways 15:33
jlaska anyone have suggestions for how best to coordinate this? 15:33
jlaska should we announce this outage anywhere? 15:33
tflink jlaska: probably should 15:33
kparal jlaska: are they upgrading our production instance, or it will just be shut down? 15:33
tflink do we know how long we're going to be down with the HW move and SW upgrades? 15:33
jlaska kparal: tflink: can one of you guys handle that? 15:34
tflink jlaska: sure, I can do that. 15:34
* kparal missed the notice 15:34
jlaska tflink: thanks, hit me up afterwards for more guidance on outage time frame etc... 15:34
jlaska kparal: it's a fresh install, and we'll have access to our old instance for a _short_ while before those resources are taken back 15:34
athmane tflink: if you need something i'll be around 15:34
kparal jlaska: it means RHEL 6? 15:35
jlaska #info AutoQA outage scheduled for Tuesday, July 12 - moving to new hardware and vlan 15:35
jlaska kparal: it'd like for it to mean that :) 15:35
tflink kparal: the announcement went out to devel@ - I don't think that it went to test@ 15:35
kparal that would be great 15:35
jlaska kparal: yes it would :D 15:35
tflink athmane: thanks, do you want to be cc'd on plans? 15:36
jlaska I expect we'll likely run into some minor upgrade issues 15:36
tflink specifics, anyways 15:36
jlaska that's how those things work ... I'm planning to just work with infrastructure to push through 15:36
tflink yay for no more python 2.4 hacks!!!! 15:36
jlaska :) 15:36
jlaska #info tflink looking forward to no longer supporting python2.4 in autoqa 15:36
* kparal yay 15:36
athmane tflink: sure, I'm also on #fedora-admin, #fedora-noc 15:36
jlaska note, autotest itself still will support python-2.4 ... but I don't think that's something we need to worry about 15:37
jlaska kparal: tflink: any objections if I move my proposed Makefile patch into 'master'? 15:37
tflink jlaska: nope, I just started trying it out this morning 15:37
kparal jlaska: no 15:38
tflink looks fine so far 15:38
jlaska tflink: cool, lemme know if you hit any bugs 15:38
jlaska tflink: kparal: thanks 15:38
jlaska anything else to hilight on autoqa? 15:38
tflink nothing I can think of 15:38
jlaska thanks gang for the great 0.5.0 release ... and for getting that ball rollin' for 0.6.0! 15:39
jlaska #topic R^3 - Retrospective recommendation review 15:39
jlaska nothing amazing to report here ... 15:39
j_dulaney No flying unicorns? 15:39
j_dulaney Or cucumbers? 15:39
jlaska just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look 15:39
jlaska athmane, rhe and adamw have already been making tons of progress on related items from the list ... so thank you 15:40
jlaska #info just a reminder that if you are looking to get involved in Fedora QA ... and looking for something to do ... the retrospective is another good place to look 15:40
jlaska #info flying unicorns and/or cucumbers will be considered as rewards 15:40
jlaska the topic tflink mentioned earlier is on this list ... 15:41
adamw flying cucumbers? i want me one of those 15:41
jlaska waiting for some brave soul to create the request and get this starting 15:41
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Recommendations 15:42
tflink jlaska: the one about blocker review process? 15:42
jlaska tflink: you got it ... "Brainstorm for ways to reduce the blocker review meeting length - The meetings are required, effective but far too long. How can we encourage more offline/asynchronous bug processing" 15:42
jlaska also on this subject ... I'm in the process of creating an SOP to outline the QA Retrospective process 15:43
jlaska I'll send that to the list for feedback once I flesh out some more content 15:43
jlaska adamw: did you already address the need for betanag criteria? 15:43
j_dulaney jlaska: Review RHBZ #704030 with rel-eng to identify cause and make appropriate SOP changes to ensure issue is not repeated, has someone got that? 15:44
jlaska I know we talked about it ... but I can't remember if that was already addressed, or still in idea phase 15:44
j_dulaney If not, I will 15:44
jlaska j_dulaney: if you don't see a ticket for it ... go for it! 15:44
* j_dulaney will grab it 15:44
adamw jlaska: oh, good one. no, didn't do anything yet iirc 15:44
jlaska j_dulaney: I can create the ticket if you like, just shout 15:44
j_dulaney jlaska: I will 15:44
jlaska adamw: those might be of interest to you (and anyone else who loves unicorns and release criteria) - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_QA_Retrospective#Release_Criteria 15:45
jlaska j_dulaney: thank you!! 15:45
jlaska okay, any questions/comments/concerns on the F15 retrospective topic 15:45
* jlaska prepares to move on ... 15:45
adamw shiny 15:45
jlaska #topic Cloud SIG testing 15:46
jlaska This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images 15:47
jlaska #info This was a topic that rbergeron raised a few meetings back ... looking for volunteers to help validate F15 EC2 images 15:47
jlaska #info athmane answered the call and created a TRAC ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/212) and test day page 15:47
jlaska #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Athmane/Draft_Test_Day_Cloud_SIG_Fedora_EC2 15:47
j_dulaney The issue here is I haven't got any EC2 space 15:48
jlaska my understanding is we are trying to decide on a date for the event 15:48
adamw is the sig on board with this? 15:48
tflink from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built 15:49
j_dulaney This issue was raised during the trip to SELF, namely, how get more people to test this without spending too much money 15:49
* athmane is confused in that matter 15:49
tflink and whether its possible for the BG built AMIs to be blessed by rel-eng 15:49
jlaska #info from the cloud meeting on friday, the issue ATM is how the AMIs should be built 15:49
jlaska rbergeron: still around? 15:49
tflink rbergeron would know more but I believe that the desire was to have a late F15 test day for the AMIs and schedule another one for F16 15:50
athmane when I wrote test page / test cases I supposed using fedora as server but amazon specific tests are required imho 15:50
jlaska yeah, it may be ... so who has the ball on this request? 15:50
* tflink needs to get off his butt and start some conversations on S3/EBS 15:51
rbergeron jlaska: yes. 15:51
* athmane does not use public cloud (amazon etc...) 15:51
rbergeron ONLY for you, and adamw, and tflink, and athmane, and j_dulaney, though. :) 15:51
j_dulaney rbergeron: What is the status of providing space for testing purposes? 15:51
rbergeron j_dulaney: on amazon? I'm working with the guy to try and get AWS credits set up. It's not going to be soon, though. Probably more towards end of F16. 15:52
rbergeron In the interim: 15:52
rbergeron For those that want to participate 15:52
rbergeron I believe the cost is *incredibly* low, like... a few dollars. 15:52
rbergeron And I will send them 5 bucks. 15:52
rbergeron Because I am tired of screwing around with it. 15:52
adamw we can put that on the test day page, i guess. 15:53
rbergeron I will send it via paypal or USPS. Whatever. LOL 15:53
jlaska heh 15:53
adamw get paid (a minuscule amount) to test fedora! 15:53
athmane rbergeron: :) 15:53
* j_dulaney notes that he still hasn't a credit card 15:53
rbergeron It would be nice if someone could verify that it's going to be that low of cost, so I'll see if I can get gholms to maybe estimate. 15:53
rbergeron But I seroiusly believe it would be very low cost. 15:53
tflink once we get the test cases hammered out, I can go through them and get an estimate 15:53
* jsmith estimates two or three dollars at most 15:54
rbergeron Because basically, "community account" means that anyone can do anything, including setting up a personal server for selling pretty pictures over the internet, which would cost 8 zillion dollars. 15:54
rbergeron yeah. 15:54
jlaska #info Trying to figure out how to reimburse testers for participating in testing Fedora AMIs 15:55
* kparal and jskladan departs 15:55
jlaska so we need some additional test cases too? or is what athmane has good? 15:55
jlaska kparal: jskladan: thank you 15:55
rbergeron If and when we can get AWS credits going, it will make it a bit easier. (And Amazon will pay for it, too.) 15:55
rbergeron jlaska: everyone in the cloud sig seemed comfortable with what was listed. 15:56
jlaska rbergeron: yeah, that seems to be a significant participation roadblock 15:56
rbergeron I'll send an email now saying, Please speak in the next few days, or forever hold your peace. 15:56
* athmane distracted by th phone 15:56
jlaska okay, anything else to track here? 15:56
rbergeron jlaska: yeah, but assuming we don't have 500 people show up, and it's like 100 bucks or less from my pocket, it should be fine to paypal/cash reimburse people in the short-term. 15:57
jlaska #action rbergeron will reach out to cloud-sig for a last call on test case ideas 15:57
tflink rbergeron: you might want to add "get approval first" to that process 15:57
tflink if it isn't already there 15:57
tflink I'm just thinking something along the lines of "send an email first" but maybe that's not really needed 15:58
jlaska any other action items or tasks associated with this topic? 15:58
jlaska in the interest of time ... looking to move on 15:58
jlaska we can obviously discuss this more on the list, on #fedora-qa ... or next week 15:58
rbergeron yeah. I dunno. 15:59
rbergeron tflink: maybe it's a "if you're one of the first 15 or 20" or something. 15:59
jlaska that seems reasonable 15:59
jlaska first 20 people to participate, are compensated (up to a X dollar limit) 15:59
jlaska everyone else gets IOU's 16:00
jlaska #topic Security Lab SPIN matrix 16:00
jlaska #link https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/207 16:00
jlaska athmane created this nice test matrix ... do we have a plan for how to incorporate this into our release process? 16:01
athmane please at least on beta or rcX 16:01
jlaska or is the idea this will just be used for self-hosting security SPIN testing? 16:01
jlaska adamw: any thoughts? ^^ 16:01
athmane self-hosting sound great 16:01
athmane *sounds 16:01
adamw it looks great 16:01
adamw jlaska: there isn't much we need to do 16:02
adamw jlaska: just adjust the SOP that says what to do when a pre-release goes out to include that matrix 16:02
jlaska right ... my question is whether we include this matrix in the list of matrices that robatino and rhe announce for test events 16:02
* athmane may add some security testcases in the near future 16:02
adamw i was planning to add the security matrix and the base matrix to the SOP at the same time 16:02
jlaska adamw: yeah that's what I was wondering 16:02
adamw sure 16:02
adamw put 'em all in the right categories and that's it, really 16:02
j_dulaney jlaska +1 for including in test event announces 16:02
jlaska #info adamw suggested adjusting the existing release validation SOP to include the new Security SPIN matrix 16:03
athmane so it ok to run test once peer cycle 16:03
jlaska anyone want to volunteer a SOP patch? like something against https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event 16:04
jlaska adamw: If I may, do you think you have room to include this with your 'base' matrix changes? 16:04
adamw sure 16:04
adamw or athmane can do it 16:04
adamw either way we'll get it done =) 16:04
jlaska excellent 16:04
jlaska #info athmane or adamw will propose changes to the release SOP to include the Security SPIN matrix in https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Release_Validation_Test_Event 16:05
adamw athmane: there's no real drawback to publishing it for each pre-release afaics, then we make sure the security list is notified, and they can run through it as often as they choose 16:05
athmane adamw: I try to do it, it a great experience 16:05
adamw and qa folks can pitch in too 16:05
jlaska athmane: thanks for volunteering!! 16:05
adamw cool 16:05
jlaska #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> 16:05
jlaska anything not previously discussed that folk would like to cover here? 16:06
* jlaska sets the 2 minute #endmeeting fuse 16:06
jsmith Just another "thank you" from the FPL -- I'm seeing great things in QA, and that makes me proud 16:06
jlaska agreed 16:07
jlaska #link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-July/101166.html 16:07
jlaska less than ~30 seconds remaining until #endmeeting 16:07
jlaska if no other topics, I'll follow-up to the list with meeting minutes 16:08
jlaska thanks everyone for your time today ... happy testing!! 16:08
jlaska #endmeeting 16:08

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