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The Fedora Channel FAQ, or how to maximize the support you receive from IRC. Users should check the resources here to enable a more enjoyable experience in #fedora. The behavior guidelines here apply to everyone equally. | The Fedora Channel FAQ, or how to maximize the support you receive from IRC. Users should check the resources here to enable a more enjoyable experience in #fedora. The behavior guidelines here apply to everyone equally. | ||
== Stay | == Stay Up-To-Date == | ||
There is a very good chance that the problem you are experiencing has been resolved in the [ | There is a very good chance that the problem you are experiencing has been resolved in the [https://getfedora.org/ latest Fedora release]. For users of older Fedora versions that are [[Communicate/IRC/Fedora-EOL-Support|End of Life]], please consider [[Upgrading|upgrading]] to a newer version. You can get community support for older versions at #Fedora-EOL. | ||
== Fedora Prerelease == | == Fedora Prerelease == | ||
Please use #fedora-qa for prerelease | Please use #fedora-qa for prerelease support. | ||
== Keep To Fedora-Provided Packages == | |||
== Keep | |||
Please use the packages Fedora provides. Deviating from these can render your system unstable or introduce bugs. You should exercise caution before adding software from third-parties, especially unpackaged software. | Please use the packages Fedora provides. Deviating from these can render your system unstable or introduce bugs. You should exercise caution before adding software from third-parties, especially unpackaged software. | ||
Please let people who are trying to help you know when you have added such packages. | Please let people who are trying to help you know when you have added such packages. | ||
== Chat | == Chat In Your Native Language == | ||
There are also support channels in languages other than English available. These channels are named as #fedora-cc, where "cc" is the country code. There are also other Fedora channels used by specific groups within Fedora. For more information about other channels and languages, please visit the [[Communicate#IRC|communication]] page. | There are also support channels in languages other than English available. These channels are named as #fedora-cc, where "cc" is the country code. There are also other Fedora channels used by specific groups within Fedora. For more information about other channels and languages, please visit the [[Communicate#IRC|communication]] page. | ||
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It is also very important to understand that using excessive punctuation isn't necessary as well. If you ask a question and use 10 ?'s after it doesn't automatically mean everyone is going to jump up and start answering your question just because you feel it to be so very urgent. The best way to handle things is to type your sentences/questions just as if you would in real life on paper or something similar. Excessive punctuation only draws attention to you as being in a hurry and sometimes it's even considered rude. One exclamation point(!) or one question mark(?) is plenty of punctuation to get your point across. Try and avoid typing many short lines in a row. This makes it more difficult for others to see your questions. Think about your query and type it in complete sentences if at all possible. | It is also very important to understand that using excessive punctuation isn't necessary as well. If you ask a question and use 10 ?'s after it doesn't automatically mean everyone is going to jump up and start answering your question just because you feel it to be so very urgent. The best way to handle things is to type your sentences/questions just as if you would in real life on paper or something similar. Excessive punctuation only draws attention to you as being in a hurry and sometimes it's even considered rude. One exclamation point(!) or one question mark(?) is plenty of punctuation to get your point across. Try and avoid typing many short lines in a row. This makes it more difficult for others to see your questions. Think about your query and type it in complete sentences if at all possible. | ||
== Always | == Always Look For Your Own Answers First == | ||
Showing others you are actively trying to solve your own problem(s) increases the chances someone will be willing to help you out and decreases any irritation you may receive or inadvertently transfer to others. There are may places to look for help prior to going to the Fedora channel, such as [http://google.com Google | Showing others you are actively trying to solve your own problem(s) increases the chances someone will be willing to help you out and decreases any irritation you may receive or inadvertently transfer to others. There are may places to look for help prior to going to the Fedora channel, such as [http://google.com Google], [[Bugs/Common|CommonBugs]] and [https://ask.fedoraproject.org askFedora]. Many of the basic questions that are asked in the Fedora channel can be answered from those sites. | ||
== Be Observant == | == Be Observant == | ||
Be observant of information given to others and yourself, people do not like to repeat themselves when you can just as easily scroll up and re-read what was typed to others or yourself. Also, do not use "leet talk" such as "1d107" or heavily abbreviated words such as "hlp plz" or similar forms of "communication". This does not help you and will most likely turn off any potential help you might otherwise receive. | Be observant of information given to others and yourself, people do not like to repeat themselves when you can just as easily scroll up and re-read what was typed to others or yourself. Also, do not use "leet talk" such as "1d107" or heavily abbreviated words such as "hlp plz" or similar forms of "communication". This does not help you and will most likely turn off any potential help you might otherwise receive. | ||
== Keep | == Keep A History == | ||
Keep a logical and accurate history of the troubleshooting efforts you've already attempted and in what order (i.e. don't repeat steps that have proven fruitless). Keep a notepad next to your computer or open a text editor: | Keep a logical and accurate history of the troubleshooting efforts you've already attempted and in what order (i.e. don't repeat steps that have proven fruitless). Keep a notepad next to your computer or open a text editor: | ||
# To help you remember complex tasks you've completed. | # To help you remember complex tasks you've completed. | ||
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Memory retention is far greater when we combine the physical act of writing with the visual stimulus of seeing what we have written; (i.e. Self-Programming). Periodically, review what you've written to refresh your memory. Use what you've learned to help others with the same problems. Helping others helps you remember as well, help pass knowledge on. This is more respectful of others time and your own. Showing respect for others time and effort is more likely to get you the help you are looking for. People want to help those who can get along with others and use common sense. Remember, people are donating their time, money, and other resources to help you. | Memory retention is far greater when we combine the physical act of writing with the visual stimulus of seeing what we have written; (i.e. Self-Programming). Periodically, review what you've written to refresh your memory. Use what you've learned to help others with the same problems. Helping others helps you remember as well, help pass knowledge on. This is more respectful of others time and your own. Showing respect for others time and effort is more likely to get you the help you are looking for. People want to help those who can get along with others and use common sense. Remember, people are donating their time, money, and other resources to help you. | ||
== Be | == Be Polite == | ||
The #fedora channel can sometimes move at a fast pace, especially on release day, so it's best to remain on-topic and avoid large pastes. If you need to paste information consisting of more than one line, please use [ | The #fedora channel can sometimes move at a fast pace, especially on release day, so it's best to remain on-topic and avoid large pastes. If you need to paste information consisting of more than one line, please use [https://paste.centos.org/ paste.centos.org]. All off topic conversation should be directed to #fedora-social. The old adage 'you catch more flies with honey' could not be more true on the net. Here you are judged by what you say and by your reactions to what others say. Be aware that although sometimes sarcastic comments are not meant to be offensive, others in the channel will sometimes take offense. Try to remain on-topic and provide helpful feedback. Don't accuse, bait or otherwise cause disturbances in help forums such as IRC; it's you that will be remembered negatively. Additionally, avoid taking offense at things other people say. Assume they meant them in a positive way, or ignore those who are not assisting you. | ||
== No Foul Language == | |||
The Fedora channel is a family environment please avoid cursing or the use of other offensive language. Keep in mind that #fedora covers all time zones so there is no 'safe time' to use foul language a child could be present at any time. This rule includes the use of obscene nicknames. If your nickname is found to be offensive you may be asked to change it. | |||
== Away Messages == | == Away Messages == | ||
There is absolutely nothing worse than any type of away message that generates noise. Generally, it's in your best interests to turn off all broadcasting "aways" that your IRC client may have. When using a new IRC client, before connecting to a server or going away, you should check to make sure that your away message settings are all set to silent. Especially since a few popular IRC clients come with away message broadcasting enabled by default. Switching your name based on your various periods of inactivity can also be rather annoying, especially when overused. There are many people in channel, please be considerate of their attention. | There is absolutely nothing worse than any type of away message that generates noise. Generally, it's in your best interests to turn off all broadcasting "aways" that your IRC client may have. When using a new IRC client, before connecting to a server or going away, you should check to make sure that your away message settings are all set to silent. Especially since a few popular IRC clients come with away message broadcasting enabled by default. Switching your name based on your various periods of inactivity can also be rather annoying, especially when overused. There are many people in channel, please be considerate of their attention. | ||
== Nick Changes == | |||
Similar to Away Messages, changing your nick repeatedly is annoying and creates needless noise in the channel. Changing your nick infrequently is fine, but regularly changing your nick in the channel is not acceptable and inconsiderate (eg instead of using /away to tell people your status). If you regularly make nick changes for some reason, please /part from #fedora during those times or adjust your client to not change your nick in #fedora. This same rule applies to repeatedly joining and parting from the channel in a short time-frame. | |||
== L33t Speak == | == L33t Speak == | ||
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== Details == | == Details == | ||
When posing a question, your best bet is to paste all pertinent information on [http://fpaste.org fpaste], [http://dpaste.com dpaste | When posing a question, your best bet is to paste all pertinent information on [http://fpaste.org fpaste], [http://dpaste.com dpaste]. Then, give a brief synopsis of your problem in the channel with a link to your pasted errors and other information. Also, --sysinfo in fpaste is a very helpful tool to helping you with your issue. In a terminal execute the command 'fpaste --sysinfo' and post the resulting link in the channel. Pay attention to the information you receive, if someone is abusive or unhelpful, simply ignore them and do not respond at all, or report them to the operators in #fedora-ops. Fighting or arguing with others (even if you believe you're right) will only make you look bad and unnecessarily complicate your issue. This is the internet, let it go. | ||
== Poll | == Poll And Be Banned == | ||
Bringing up topics in an IRC Channel which require personal opinions are highly discouraged as they tend to degenerate into flame wars. Such questions include "Which is a better desktop environment KDE or Gnome?", "Which audio player is better Audacious or Amarok?" users who initiate those types of questions are considered to be polling. In the #fedora channel people that continually pose those types of questions may be asked to leave the channel. | Bringing up topics in an IRC Channel which require personal opinions are highly discouraged as they tend to degenerate into flame wars. Such questions include "Which is a better desktop environment KDE or Gnome?", "Which audio player is better Audacious or Amarok?" users who initiate those types of questions are considered to be polling. In the #fedora channel people that continually pose those types of questions may be asked to leave the channel. | ||
== Avoid Open Ended or Over | == Avoid Open Ended or Over General Questions == | ||
Avoid asking questions that are over-general, such as "Does anyone use <insert software>?", "Are | Avoid asking questions that are over-general, such as "Does anyone use <insert software>?", "Are there any <insert software> Gurus here?", or "Did they fix the bug in <insert software>?". Be specific in your question. Describe the exact bug/issue or provide links to bugs you are referring to. This will allow people who occasionally help in the channel to assist you and not dismiss your question as being too vague to assist with. | ||
== Support for US Embargoed Nations == | == Support for US Embargoed Nations == | ||
Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or support to individuals in [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Embargoed_nations Embargoed Nations], because of US export law. | |||
== Operator Assistance == | |||
Typically there will be channel operators monitoring the channel and helping folks follow the guidelines. If however, you note some behavior that requires IMMEDIATE operator help, you can use the '@ops' command to alert any active operators to take a look at the channel. Please use this command only when there is a problem with behavior in the channel, not to seek support. | |||
== | == Complaints About Other Channels == | ||
The fedora channel is not a place to complain about behavior or issues from other channels. Joining #fedora to complain about your kick, ban, or quieting in #fedora-social may result in you being banned from both channels. Please take those complaints up in the appropriate forum [https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig] is a perfect place for complaints or general feedback. You may also check in [[Fedora_Ops_Channel_FAQ | #fedora-ops]] to appeal your case. Please note: #fedora-ops is not a channel to sit idle in. You may be asked to leave after your issue has been addressed. | |||
== Special Thanks == | == Special Thanks == | ||
Latest revision as of 18:24, 3 April 2022
The Fedora Channel FAQ, or how to maximize the support you receive from IRC. Users should check the resources here to enable a more enjoyable experience in #fedora. The behavior guidelines here apply to everyone equally.
Stay Up-To-Date
There is a very good chance that the problem you are experiencing has been resolved in the latest Fedora release. For users of older Fedora versions that are End of Life, please consider upgrading to a newer version. You can get community support for older versions at #Fedora-EOL.
Fedora Prerelease
Please use #fedora-qa for prerelease support.
Keep To Fedora-Provided Packages
Please use the packages Fedora provides. Deviating from these can render your system unstable or introduce bugs. You should exercise caution before adding software from third-parties, especially unpackaged software. Please let people who are trying to help you know when you have added such packages.
Chat In Your Native Language
There are also support channels in languages other than English available. These channels are named as #fedora-cc, where "cc" is the country code. There are also other Fedora channels used by specific groups within Fedora. For more information about other channels and languages, please visit the communication page.
Punctuation
It is also very important to understand that using excessive punctuation isn't necessary as well. If you ask a question and use 10 ?'s after it doesn't automatically mean everyone is going to jump up and start answering your question just because you feel it to be so very urgent. The best way to handle things is to type your sentences/questions just as if you would in real life on paper or something similar. Excessive punctuation only draws attention to you as being in a hurry and sometimes it's even considered rude. One exclamation point(!) or one question mark(?) is plenty of punctuation to get your point across. Try and avoid typing many short lines in a row. This makes it more difficult for others to see your questions. Think about your query and type it in complete sentences if at all possible.
Always Look For Your Own Answers First
Showing others you are actively trying to solve your own problem(s) increases the chances someone will be willing to help you out and decreases any irritation you may receive or inadvertently transfer to others. There are may places to look for help prior to going to the Fedora channel, such as Google, CommonBugs and askFedora. Many of the basic questions that are asked in the Fedora channel can be answered from those sites.
Be Observant
Be observant of information given to others and yourself, people do not like to repeat themselves when you can just as easily scroll up and re-read what was typed to others or yourself. Also, do not use "leet talk" such as "1d107" or heavily abbreviated words such as "hlp plz" or similar forms of "communication". This does not help you and will most likely turn off any potential help you might otherwise receive.
Keep A History
Keep a logical and accurate history of the troubleshooting efforts you've already attempted and in what order (i.e. don't repeat steps that have proven fruitless). Keep a notepad next to your computer or open a text editor:
- To help you remember complex tasks you've completed.
- For keeping detailed troubleshooting records
- To create your own succinct text help files.
Memory retention is far greater when we combine the physical act of writing with the visual stimulus of seeing what we have written; (i.e. Self-Programming). Periodically, review what you've written to refresh your memory. Use what you've learned to help others with the same problems. Helping others helps you remember as well, help pass knowledge on. This is more respectful of others time and your own. Showing respect for others time and effort is more likely to get you the help you are looking for. People want to help those who can get along with others and use common sense. Remember, people are donating their time, money, and other resources to help you.
Be Polite
The #fedora channel can sometimes move at a fast pace, especially on release day, so it's best to remain on-topic and avoid large pastes. If you need to paste information consisting of more than one line, please use paste.centos.org. All off topic conversation should be directed to #fedora-social. The old adage 'you catch more flies with honey' could not be more true on the net. Here you are judged by what you say and by your reactions to what others say. Be aware that although sometimes sarcastic comments are not meant to be offensive, others in the channel will sometimes take offense. Try to remain on-topic and provide helpful feedback. Don't accuse, bait or otherwise cause disturbances in help forums such as IRC; it's you that will be remembered negatively. Additionally, avoid taking offense at things other people say. Assume they meant them in a positive way, or ignore those who are not assisting you.
No Foul Language
The Fedora channel is a family environment please avoid cursing or the use of other offensive language. Keep in mind that #fedora covers all time zones so there is no 'safe time' to use foul language a child could be present at any time. This rule includes the use of obscene nicknames. If your nickname is found to be offensive you may be asked to change it.
Away Messages
There is absolutely nothing worse than any type of away message that generates noise. Generally, it's in your best interests to turn off all broadcasting "aways" that your IRC client may have. When using a new IRC client, before connecting to a server or going away, you should check to make sure that your away message settings are all set to silent. Especially since a few popular IRC clients come with away message broadcasting enabled by default. Switching your name based on your various periods of inactivity can also be rather annoying, especially when overused. There are many people in channel, please be considerate of their attention.
Nick Changes
Similar to Away Messages, changing your nick repeatedly is annoying and creates needless noise in the channel. Changing your nick infrequently is fine, but regularly changing your nick in the channel is not acceptable and inconsiderate (eg instead of using /away to tell people your status). If you regularly make nick changes for some reason, please /part from #fedora during those times or adjust your client to not change your nick in #fedora. This same rule applies to repeatedly joining and parting from the channel in a short time-frame.
L33t Speak
On IRC, it's very important for users to be able to understand what you're saying, so, obviously, sp43k1ng with symbols and numbers in the place of letters is not a very good thing to do if you want people to assist you. Using painfully bad grammar and ridiculous amounts of nothing but smiles generally go along with l33t speak and both practices are frowned on.
Avoid Flaming
"Flaming" is expressing a strongly held opinion tactlessly, without holding back any emotion. Topics that lead to flame wars include promoting or denigrating other distributions, window managers, or other matters of personal choice that inspire strong emotions. This is not the channel for that type of discussion, which leads to arguments and unfairly monopolizes bandwidth from users that need legitimate help. When faced with someone who you feel is doing this, bring them to the channel operators attention and ignore them.
Pay Attention
When asking for help, try to listen to one person at a time. Often, there are several ways to accomplish the same task. If you try accepting information from more than one person you may quickly become confused and experience errors, conflicting information or be unable to proceed. It is ok to try different methods but you should try to stick with one at a time so that you can understand each method's process, benefits and weaknesses. Also, when accepting advice, follow the instructions of the person giving it. Listen to them respectfully; don't go off on your own tangents typing commands that weren't asked for or giving incorrect responses. This is extremely frustrating, disrespectful and will most often lead to people no longer willing to help you with your issue.
Details
When posing a question, your best bet is to paste all pertinent information on fpaste, dpaste. Then, give a brief synopsis of your problem in the channel with a link to your pasted errors and other information. Also, --sysinfo in fpaste is a very helpful tool to helping you with your issue. In a terminal execute the command 'fpaste --sysinfo' and post the resulting link in the channel. Pay attention to the information you receive, if someone is abusive or unhelpful, simply ignore them and do not respond at all, or report them to the operators in #fedora-ops. Fighting or arguing with others (even if you believe you're right) will only make you look bad and unnecessarily complicate your issue. This is the internet, let it go.
Poll And Be Banned
Bringing up topics in an IRC Channel which require personal opinions are highly discouraged as they tend to degenerate into flame wars. Such questions include "Which is a better desktop environment KDE or Gnome?", "Which audio player is better Audacious or Amarok?" users who initiate those types of questions are considered to be polling. In the #fedora channel people that continually pose those types of questions may be asked to leave the channel.
Avoid Open Ended or Over General Questions
Avoid asking questions that are over-general, such as "Does anyone use <insert software>?", "Are there any <insert software> Gurus here?", or "Did they fix the bug in <insert software>?". Be specific in your question. Describe the exact bug/issue or provide links to bugs you are referring to. This will allow people who occasionally help in the channel to assist you and not dismiss your question as being too vague to assist with.
Support for US Embargoed Nations
Unfortunately, Red Hat cannot provide Fedora software, documentation or support to individuals in Embargoed Nations, because of US export law.
Operator Assistance
Typically there will be channel operators monitoring the channel and helping folks follow the guidelines. If however, you note some behavior that requires IMMEDIATE operator help, you can use the '@ops' command to alert any active operators to take a look at the channel. Please use this command only when there is a problem with behavior in the channel, not to seek support.
Complaints About Other Channels
The fedora channel is not a place to complain about behavior or issues from other channels. Joining #fedora to complain about your kick, ban, or quieting in #fedora-social may result in you being banned from both channels. Please take those complaints up in the appropriate forum https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig is a perfect place for complaints or general feedback. You may also check in #fedora-ops to appeal your case. Please note: #fedora-ops is not a channel to sit idle in. You may be asked to leave after your issue has been addressed.
Special Thanks
A special thanks goes to Opsec of FedoraOs.org for generating some of the information found on this page.
Feedback
The IRC support sig welcomes all feedback on the channel, help you get there or ways to improve support. Please go to https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig to file a feedback ticket. The SIG will discuss in their next weekly meeting.