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== Cleaning transifex.net fedora project ==
== Cleaning transifex.net fedora projects ==


=== Default of maintainers or project to check ===
This refers to the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2012-February/009649.html trans] and [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/162998.html devel] mailing list threads.
This refers to the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/trans/2012-February/009649.html trans] and [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/162998.html devel] mailing list threads.


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Legend:
Legend:
* [M] means no maintainers found (I don't count the FLSCo ones, that have probably helped on the move from our own instance). Avoided ones are: 'diegobz', 'raven', 'glezos'
* [M] means no maintainers found (I don't count the FLSCo ones, that have probably helped on the move from our own instance). Avoided ones are: 'diegobz', 'raven', 'glezos'
* [D] means the source language has not been updated for a long time (4 months in this list). It is against all resources on one project. docs.fpo/guides are not relevant here.
* [D] means the source language has not been updated for a long time (4 months in this list). It is against all resources on one project. docs.fpo/guides are not relevant here. If the project has received translations since then, that would be great to update the RPM.


Your project could stay like that if no new developments, be removed if translations have moved somewhere else, be improved if you change your workflow to le translator do their duty.
Your project could stay like that if no new developments, be removed if translations have moved somewhere else, be improved if you change your workflow to le translator do their duty.


* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/avahi avahi]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:35:15 2011   '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/avahi avahi]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:35:15 2011'''. Not in translation. See the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163023.html devel ML].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/expendable expendable]. Last update: Thu Jul 21 11:30:11 2011
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/expendable expendable]. Last update: Thu Jul 21 11:30:11 2011
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-desktop-backgrounds fedora-desktop-backgrounds]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-desktop-backgrounds fedora-desktop-backgrounds]
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* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-rpm-guide fedora-rpm-guide]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 16:23:35 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-rpm-guide fedora-rpm-guide]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 16:23:35 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide fedora-virtualization-guide]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 16:43:04 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-virtualization-guide fedora-virtualization-guide]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 16:43:04 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/firstboot firstboot]. Last update: Thu May  5 07:32:11 2011
* <strike>[D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/firstboot firstboot]. Last update: Thu May  5 07:32:11 2011</strike>. [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=firstboot.git Active].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/hivex hivex]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:29:12 2011   '''
* <strike>[D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/hivex hivex]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:29:12 2011'''</strike>. [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163083.html alive].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/iwhd iwhd]. Last update: Thu Oct 20 18:26:50 2011 This [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163003.html project has moved] to the opentranslation.org project. Should be removed from the fedora group
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/iwhd iwhd]. Last update: Thu Oct 20 18:26:50 2011 This [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163003.html project has moved] to the opentranslation.org project. Should be removed from the fedora group
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/liveusb-creator liveusb-creator]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:28:30 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/liveusb-creator liveusb-creator]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:28:30 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/newt newt]. Last update: Fri Apr  1 11:14:29 2011
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/newt newt]. Last update: Fri Apr  1 11:14:29 2011
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/paprefs paprefs]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:33 2011   '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/paprefs paprefs]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:33 2011'''. Not in translation. See the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163023.html devel ML].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pavucontrol pavucontrol]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:43 2011   '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pavucontrol pavucontrol]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:43 2011'''. Not in translation. See the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163023.html devel ML].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pulseaudio pulseaudio]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:31 2011   '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pulseaudio pulseaudio]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:31 2011'''. Not in translation. See the [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163023.html devel ML].
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pulsecaster pulsecaster]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:35:59 2011  '''</strike>. Project not setup but without any changes. Don't need to be now --[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 16:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pulsecaster pulsecaster]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:35:59 2011  '''</strike>. Project not setup but without any changes. Don't need to be now --[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 16:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pykickstart pykickstart]. Last update: Wed Oct 19 20:27:38 2011
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/pykickstart pykickstart]. Last update: Wed Oct 19 20:27:38 2011</strike>. No probs here. [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=pykickstart.git Alive].
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/python-meh python-meh]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/python-meh python-meh]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/readahead readahead]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:15:19 2011  '''
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/readahead readahead]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:15:19 2011  '''
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/redhat-menus redhat-menus]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/redhat-menus redhat-menus]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/setuptool setuptool]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:08:34 2011  '''
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/setuptool setuptool]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:08:34 2011  '''</strike>. No new development. [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=setuptool.git Alive].
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/sos sos]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/sos sos]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-bind system-config-bind]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-bind system-config-bind]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-boot system-config-boot]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:23 2011   '''
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-boot system-config-boot]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:14:23 2011'''</strike>. No new dev but [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=system-config-boot.git Alive].
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-firewall system-config-firewall]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-firewall system-config-firewall]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-httpd system-config-httpd]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-httpd system-config-httpd]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-keyboard system-config-keyboard]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-keyboard system-config-keyboard]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-kickstart system-config-kickstart]. Last update: Wed Jun 22 18:24:26 2011
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-kickstart system-config-kickstart]. Last update: Wed Jun 22 18:24:26 2011</strike>. No new development. [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=system-config-kickstart.git Alive].
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-lvm system-config-lvm]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-lvm system-config-lvm]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-nfs system-config-nfs]. Last update: Tue Jul  5 10:11:11 2011
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-nfs system-config-nfs]. Last update: Tue Jul  5 10:11:11 2011. Project not set for Transifex.net. See [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=system-config-nfs.git;a=tree the repo].
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-printer system-config-printer]. Last update: Mon Sep 26 13:46:40 2011
* <strike> [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-printer system-config-printer]. Last update: Mon Sep 26 13:46:40 2011.</strike> Active project last local po update on 2012-01-23. Should probably need a tx push -s to refresh pot? (really, I don't know). Repo [http://git.fedorahosted.org/git?p=system-config-kickstart.git;a=summary there].
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-rootpassword system-config-rootpassword]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-rootpassword system-config-rootpassword]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-java system-switch-java]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-java system-switch-java]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-mail system-switch-mail]
* [M] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-mail system-switch-mail]
* [D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/virttop virttop]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:29:18 2011   '''
* <strike>[D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/virttop virttop]. Last update: '''Tue Mar 22 15:29:18 2011'''</strike>. [http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2012-February/163083.html alive].
*  <strike>[D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/zif zif]. Last update: Tue Nov  1 10:13:26 2011</strike> . Last pull 3 days ago (from the repo). Alive--[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 10:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
*  <strike>[D] [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/zif zif]. Last update: Tue Nov  1 10:13:26 2011</strike> . Last pull 3 days ago (from the repo). Alive--[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 10:42, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
=== Grouping projects on the hub or transifex release ===
Under transifex.net, a translator could see what to translate in two ways:
* Going through the Fedora [http://help.transifex.net/intro/projects.html#project-hub hub] and checking by language ([https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/language/en/ en example]) or by the [https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/all-resources/ all resource] release.
* or going through each sub projects, called release, defined at the bottom of the [https://fedora.transifex.net/start/ main page]. They are [https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-docs/ Fedora Documentation], [https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-main/ Fedora Main], [https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-upstream-projects/ Fedora Upstream Projects], [https://fedora.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora/r/fedora-websites/ Fedora Websites].
The problem is that some projects are in the hub but not in any Fedora release. Therefore we could miss them. While some others are in one of The Fedora release (web, docs) but not in the Fedora Hub. And we have some third parties projects in any of those ones.
Since all sub-projects on a hub have to use their parents ACLs, there is no point to remove active projects from a release.
Here are some details:
==== Projects under the Fedora Hub but not in any releases ====
This is not wrong if we don't want translators to work on that (i.e. deprecated content). But this is wrong for active projects.
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/csi-security-policy community-services-infrastructure-security-policy]
* <strike> [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-accessibility-guide fedora-accessibility-guide]</strike>. Just added in docs.
* <strike> [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-readme-burning-isos fedora-burning-iso-images-to-disc]</strike>. Just added in docs.
* <strike> [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-cloud-guide fedora-cloud-guide]</strike>. Just added in docs.
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-elections fedora-elections-app]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-ins-quick-start-guide fedora-installation-quick-start-guide]
* <strike> [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-install-guide fedora-install-guide]</strike>. Just added in docs.
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-managing-confined-svcs fedora-managing-confined-services] (this project is empty)
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-musicians-guide fedora-musicians-guide]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-power-management-guide fedora-power-management-guide]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-respin-guide fedora-respin-guide]. This project is empty
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-security-guide fedora-security-guide]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-selinux-faq fedora-selinux-faq]. This project is empty
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-selinux-guide fedora-selinux-guide]. This project is empty
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-software-mgmt-guide fedora-software-management-guide]. This project is empty
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-storage-admin-guide fedora-storage-administration-guide]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-technical-notes fedora-technical-notes]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/fedora-wireless-guide fedora-wireless-guide]. This project is empty
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/input-pad input-pad]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/linux-pam linux-pam]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/python-meh python-meh]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/rhel-comps rhel-comps]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/spacewalk spacewalk]
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/virt-viewer virt-viewer]
==== Projects under a Fedora Release but not in the main Fedora Hub ====
This is not wrong if they want to have handle teams by themself (not using the Fedora one). But that should be only for fedora-upstream-project, right? In those  projects a Fedora team can't translate, that's quite bad.
'''Only in the fedora-main release'''
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/libpwquality pwquality-library]</strike> free for all--[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 11:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/libreport libreport]</strike> free for all--[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 11:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/python-fedora python-fedora]</strike> free for all--[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 11:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/setuptool setuptool]</strike> {{bz|808430}} Now sourcing the Fedora Hub.
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-httpd system-config-httpd] {{bz|808431}}
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-kdump system-config-kdump]</strike>
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-config-rootpassword system-config-rootpassword] {{bz|808433}}
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-java system-switch-java] {{bz|808434}}
* [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/system-switch-mail system-switch-mail] {{bz|808436}}
==== Lost projects ====
Those project are not linked to Fedora in the transifex.net platform, not from the fedora hub, neither on any fedora release.
* Packet that Fedora translators have translated in the past should probably be linked.
But where (Fedora HUB = taking fedora teams), fedora-main release or fedora-upstream release?
If wee don't link theme, then we won't be able to assure correct translations!
A '''not exhaustive''' list.
* <strike> [http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/iok iok] (empty project). Probably is at [https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/iok RH/Zanata]. Asked there: {{bz|799544}}.</strike> See [https://fedorahosted.org/iok/ uptream instructions].
* <strike>[http://www.transifex.net/projects/p/cracklib cracklib]. {{bz|808426}}.</strike>  It is in the fedora-uptream-projects release.
===== Dunno where to translate theme =====
Following projets are there cause checked during [[Test_Day:2012-03-07|test days]]. Should be in fedora-main release (if using transifex.net).
* im-chooser [https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/im-chooser RH/zanata]
* im-setting [https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/imsettings RH/zanata]
* kexec-tools <strike>{{bz|808419}}</strike> [https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/kexec-tools RH/zanata]
* <strike>policycoreutils. Don't appear to pull translations from anywhere. [http://userspace.selinuxproject.org/trac/browser/policycoreutils/po see].</strike>{{bz|808420}}. Now in fedora-main.
* <strike>smolt {{bz|799546}}</strike> -- Now deprecated
* switchdesk {{bz|799548}}
* <strike> system-config-language</strike> in [https://translate.zanata.org/zanata/project/view/system-config-language RH/zanata] --[[User:Shaiton|Shaiton]] 10:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC) just received confirmation @trans
* system-config-netboot. Seems to be a dead package.
* <strike> usermode {{bz|799550}}</strike>. in fedora-main
=== Dead projects ? ===
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-audit/
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/pavucontrol/
https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/pulseaudio/
== TXN limitations ==
* special characters not displayed in suggestions (CR, non breakable spaces…)
* we loose suggestion/history while translating offline
* proofreading is not useful, the team coordinator should decide either the maintainer DL proofread only or not (team specific, they don't need to know)
* sorting resources is broken, scroll bar is slow
* the lock time is to small, there could be a "unlock request" sending a notification to the coordinator and the locker
* on the translators credits (Last Translator gettext header), the maintainer appears, which is wierd
* we can't easily add a whole project to a release (see fedora-docs, that's huge and unmaintainable (if new files appears, we don't know)
* No FAS login (OpenID?)
* /me has to see his active tickets…

Latest revision as of 15:14, 11 September 2013

Cleaning transifex.net fedora projects

Default of maintainers or project to check

This refers to the trans and devel mailing list threads.

Anyone could check those projects, please help.

Legend:

  • [M] means no maintainers found (I don't count the FLSCo ones, that have probably helped on the move from our own instance). Avoided ones are: 'diegobz', 'raven', 'glezos'
  • [D] means the source language has not been updated for a long time (4 months in this list). It is against all resources on one project. docs.fpo/guides are not relevant here. If the project has received translations since then, that would be great to update the RPM.

Your project could stay like that if no new developments, be removed if translations have moved somewhere else, be improved if you change your workflow to le translator do their duty.

Grouping projects on the hub or transifex release

Under transifex.net, a translator could see what to translate in two ways:

The problem is that some projects are in the hub but not in any Fedora release. Therefore we could miss them. While some others are in one of The Fedora release (web, docs) but not in the Fedora Hub. And we have some third parties projects in any of those ones.

Since all sub-projects on a hub have to use their parents ACLs, there is no point to remove active projects from a release.

Here are some details:

Projects under the Fedora Hub but not in any releases

This is not wrong if we don't want translators to work on that (i.e. deprecated content). But this is wrong for active projects.

Projects under a Fedora Release but not in the main Fedora Hub

This is not wrong if they want to have handle teams by themself (not using the Fedora one). But that should be only for fedora-upstream-project, right? In those projects a Fedora team can't translate, that's quite bad.

Only in the fedora-main release

Lost projects

Those project are not linked to Fedora in the transifex.net platform, not from the fedora hub, neither on any fedora release.

  • Packet that Fedora translators have translated in the past should probably be linked.

But where (Fedora HUB = taking fedora teams), fedora-main release or fedora-upstream release?

If wee don't link theme, then we won't be able to assure correct translations!

A not exhaustive list.


Dunno where to translate theme

Following projets are there cause checked during test days. Should be in fedora-main release (if using transifex.net).

  • im-chooser RH/zanata
  • im-setting RH/zanata
  • kexec-tools RHBZ #808419 RH/zanata
  • policycoreutils. Don't appear to pull translations from anywhere. see.RHBZ #808420. Now in fedora-main.
  • smolt RHBZ #799546 -- Now deprecated
  • switchdesk RHBZ #799548
  • system-config-language in RH/zanata --Shaiton 10:54, 30 March 2012 (UTC) just received confirmation @trans
  • system-config-netboot. Seems to be a dead package.
  • usermode RHBZ #799550. in fedora-main

Dead projects ?

https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/system-config-audit/ https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/pavucontrol/ https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/pulseaudio/


TXN limitations

  • special characters not displayed in suggestions (CR, non breakable spaces…)
  • we loose suggestion/history while translating offline
  • proofreading is not useful, the team coordinator should decide either the maintainer DL proofread only or not (team specific, they don't need to know)
  • sorting resources is broken, scroll bar is slow
  • the lock time is to small, there could be a "unlock request" sending a notification to the coordinator and the locker
  • on the translators credits (Last Translator gettext header), the maintainer appears, which is wierd
  • we can't easily add a whole project to a release (see fedora-docs, that's huge and unmaintainable (if new files appears, we don't know)
  • No FAS login (OpenID?)
  • /me has to see his active tickets…
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