QA/Meetings/20120709

Attendees

• adamw (67)
• brunowolff (22)
• tflink (12)
• maxamillion (10)
• zodbot (5)
• jskladan (2)
• nirik (1)
• mkrizek (1)
• akshayvyas (1)
• pschindl (1)
• satellit-arm (1)

Agenda

• Anaconda new UI testing
• Blocker bug analysis
• Bodhi 2.0 design ideas
• AutoQA update
• Open floor

Anaconda new UI testing

• Test_Results:Fedora_18_newUI_Install
• Instructions

Blocker bug analysis

• Bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had time to work on this yet

Bodhi 2.0 design ideas

• Luke and Johann weren't available, but nirik has asked lmacken to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon

AutoQA update

• no AutoQA news, team has been busy on other projects

Open floor

• Bug #830482 is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline for a fix

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting fedora-qa	15:01
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Jul 9 15:01:06 2012 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:01
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:01
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:01
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:01
adamw	#topic Roll call	15:01
adamw	morning folks, who's feeling meet-y?	15:01
* jskladan is lurking		15:01
* tflink is here		15:01
* mkrizek is here		15:01
* satellit-arm listening		15:01
* akshayvyas is here		15:01
* maxamillion is here		15:02
* adamw looks around for bruno, viking and lmacken...		15:03
adamw	short meeting time, i guess =)	15:03
maxamillion	lol	15:03
adamw	so, there's no previous meeting follow-up, let's go straight to...	15:04
adamw	#topic Anaconda new UI testing	15:04
adamw	really just re-capping from the list - we have a test image for the new anaconda ui available for initial testing, and some people have been playing with it already	15:05
adamw	see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html for instructions	15:05
maxamillion	heh ... that's still on my TODO list :X	15:05
adamw	#info snapshot image of the new anaconda UI is available for testing, see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2012-July/108798.html for instructions	15:06
adamw	anyone have any thoughts or comments on the arrangements for the new UI testing?	15:06
adamw	i just kinda came up with something, to get it done quick	15:06
* pschindl is here (my irc silently fell down)		15:06
maxamillion	I can't really think of anything, I'd think it would be a bit early in the cycle for their to be anything more formal in place ... I think what you wrote up looks good	15:07
maxamillion	but if the group thinks we should setup a wiki page similar to the desktop acceptance testing or possibly the test days (or both), I'm not in objection ... just don't know there'd be a whole lot of benefit until the dev team considers the rewrite a bit more stable	15:08
maxamillion	heh	15:09
adamw	hey bruno	15:09
adamw	=)	15:09
brunowolff	I am still recovering from rawhide issues.	15:09
adamw	owch	15:10
brunowolff	The desktop I'm on not probably will need a reinstall; I'm running a live cd right now.	15:10
adamw	good luck :/	15:10
brunowolff	I didn't get anything done this week with the bugzilla queries/stats. My fedora time has been spent dealing with rawhide issues.	15:11
adamw	ah, okay.	15:11
adamw	anyone have any thoughts arising from testing the new UI itself, aside from the multiple desktop controversy already underway on the list? any worries about areas un-covered etc?	15:12
tflink	brunowolff: I'm already doing some bz analysis related stuff if you'd like to hand off the blocker stats stuff	15:13
maxamillion	adamw: on which list?	15:13
adamw	maxam: test list, the 'will F18 allow simultaneous installation of more than one desktop?' thread	15:14
maxamillion	ohhhhh, that one	15:14
maxamillion	I was thinking of multiple monitors, not DEs	15:14
* maxamillion needs more coffee		15:14
adamw	brother, don't we all	15:15
adamw	well, alright, man, if a new anaconda UI can't stir up controversy on a monday morning i'm all out of ideas =)	15:17
adamw	let's blow through the agenda then	15:19
adamw	#topic Blocker bug analysis	15:19
adamw	#info bruno is still recovering from rawhide issues and hasn't had time to work on this yet	15:19
adamw	has anyone else had any thoughts or action on this one?	15:19
tflink	it occurred to me that we could include the analysis as part of the blocker page updating	15:20
tflink	ie, run it on a regular basis with the blocker tracking	15:21
tflink	unless that was the plan already	15:21
adamw	i suppose it'd depend on the conclusions we came to from the initial data	15:21
adamw	if any looked like we'd get more info from ongoing analysis	15:21
tflink	yeah, I'm not sure it would all be helpful	15:22
tflink	but the parts like # of blockers per component might be useful to do on an ongoing basis	15:22
brunowolff	Timing is also important. The reason I wanted to look at this, is that I think some of the critical things (e.g. anaconda) hadn't been getting tested early enough.	15:23
brunowolff	(Though we do seem to be getting a good jump on anaconda for F18.)	15:23
adamw	well, we can always analyze data from any time point on bugzilla, right? it's just a query.	15:26
brunowolff	I think so.	15:26
tflink	rejected blockers might be a slow query but probably doable	15:27
adamw	alrighty, looks like we don't have much to kick around here, moving on	15:28
adamw	#topic Bodhi 2.0 design ideas	15:28
brunowolff	I wasn't going to worry too much about rejected blockers, at least initially.	15:28
adamw	with no lmacken/viking-ice, probably nothing much to say here either :/	15:28
brunowolff	I think we really care about the accepted ones.	15:28
adamw	damn it, i need more power to summon people.	15:28
tflink	brunowolff: just thinking about my recent experiences with python-bugzilla	15:29
brunowolff	I liked the idea of being able to tie -1 karma to bug reports.	15:30
adamw	well the thing i wanted to kick around is how to look at the idea in the context of bodhi 2.0	15:30
adamw	in bodhi 2.0 i believe we get a design of multiple variables per update - there isn't just one big number	15:31
adamw	so whether we still require a 'negative' response to any one of the points to be tied to a bug report, or what...but i think we need luke around so we get enough detail on the actual bodhi 2 design so our ideas aren't based on wrong assumptions	15:32
brunowolff	Things we might rate are, are their regressions versus stable or previous testing, are the bugs marked as being fixed actually fixed, and how thoroughly the package was tested by this reporter.	15:33
adamw	yeah, i tend to think of it as a list of questions	15:34
brunowolff	Levels of testing might include, it installs without issue, it passes a smoke test, common functions were tested and there was extensive testing.	15:34
adamw	'does the update fix (issue #1 claimed to be fixed)?' 'does the update break anything that wasn't broken before?' etc etc	15:34
adamw	but i don't know if we're yet at the point where we can start making detailed design suggestions or what	15:35
nirik	FYI, I've asked lmacken to try and schedule a meeting sometime soon for bodhi 2.0 discussion... get rel-eng, qa, any interested packagers in and find out where we are and how things are shaping up.	15:36
adamw	good idea	15:36
adamw	#info nirik has asked lmacken to schedule a bodhi 2.0 sync meeting some time soon	15:37
adamw	thanks	15:37
adamw	anything else worth saying at this point, or shall we keep it for later and move on?	15:37
adamw	roger	15:39
adamw	#topic AutoQA update	15:40
adamw	welp, i threw this in as it's been a few weeks and i figured there might be news	15:40
adamw	anything significant, tim?	15:40
tflink	not from my end, no	15:40
* tflink has been consumed with GSoC and the blocker status page		15:41
jskladan	nothing here either	15:41
adamw	okey dokey	15:41
adamw	#info no AutoQA news, team has been busy on other projects	15:42
adamw	#topic open floor	15:42
adamw	anyone have any other business?	15:42
brunowolff	Is there a chance we could get some push to fix the plymouth issue messing up booting with encrypted home and/or swap?	15:43
brunowolff	That's going to be a blocker and makes testing reboots a real pain.	15:44
brunowolff	.bug 830482	15:44
zodbot	brunowolff: Bug 830482 Encrypted file systems not mounted in late part of boot because of systemd units missing from plymouth - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830482	15:44
adamw	well, it looks like it'd be susceptible to a manual fix?	15:46
adamw	until it's done by michal	15:46
brunowolff	Every fricken boot and multiple minute plus timeouts to wait for while doing it.	15:46
adamw	i mean, just manually get the appropriate unit files from an earlier build and put them in place	15:46
brunowolff	I think the systemd guys are expecting the plymouth guys to fix this.	15:47
adamw	that'd fix it 'permanently' afaict?	15:47
adamw	yeah, they obviously are.	15:47
brunowolff	I tried copying over the unit files, but it didn't work. But I might have missed some deatil.	15:47
* adamw pings halfline to try and get him to fix it		15:48
brunowolff	That was also about the time a couple of new dracut bugs showed up (now fixed) that were adding further confusion to the mix.	15:48
adamw	i'd expect that to work, but i don't have any experience with the issue	15:48
adamw	#info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=830482 is currently breaking boot for rawhide systems with encrypted partitions, beware, adamw has pinged halfline for a fix	15:49
brunowolff	On the plus side, after messing up root on one system I have a reason to test the anaconda installer (and get laughed at).	15:49
brunowolff	Not that it affects encrypted home and swap, but not encrypted root.	15:49
brunowolff	s/not/note/	15:49
adamw	roger	15:50
brunowolff	thanks!	15:50
adamw	halfline just replied, says he was going to do it last week and forgot. so that sounds promisingish.	15:51
adamw	alright, anything else?	15:51
* adamw sets fuse for $INTEGER		15:54
adamw	#chair tflink	15:54
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw tflink	15:54
adamw	thanks for coming, folks	15:57
adamw	oh, god, i've just been sucked into the tv tropes vortex again, someone throw me a damn rope	15:57
* tflink looks around for a rope		15:57
adamw	#endmeeting	15:58

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