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* [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_pymol|PyMOL]] | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_pymol|PyMOL]] | ||
* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_Stellarium|Stellarium]] | ||
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* [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_SuperTuxKart|SuperTuxKart]] | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_SuperTuxKart|SuperTuxKart]] | ||
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* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_Xonotic|Xonotic]] | ||
* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_VDrift|VDrift]] | ||
* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_0_A.D.|0 A.D.]] | ||
Please file bugs for any failures you find if running these tests. But remember, crashes, rendering issues and glitches bugreports are more important then performance issues. Use your common sense and your knowledge about your GPU limits before reporting performance issues. | Please file bugs for any failures you find if running these tests. But remember, crashes, rendering issues and glitches bugreports are more important then performance issues. Use your common sense and your knowledge about your GPU limits before reporting performance issues. | ||
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* [[QA:Testcase_vga_switcheroo|Hybrid graphics]] You will need a laptop with two GPUs. Intel and ATI (PowerXpress) or Intel and nVidia (Optimus). | * [[QA:Testcase_vga_switcheroo|Hybrid graphics]] You will need a laptop with two GPUs. Intel and ATI (PowerXpress) or Intel and nVidia (Optimus). | ||
* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_3D_Steam|Steam]] | ||
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* [[QA: | * [[QA:Testcase_intelvideo_webgl|WebGL]] <!-- http://www.izigoo.com/izigoo/start.php --> | ||
* Wine - Install 'wine' and try to play your favorite game. Important: Always check if your game is supported, visit: http://appdb.winehq.org Lot of bugs are actually Wine bugs, not related to GPU drivers, so be careful. | * Wine - Install 'wine' and try to play your favorite game. Important: Always check if your game is supported, visit: http://appdb.winehq.org Lot of bugs are actually Wine bugs, not related to GPU drivers, so be careful. | ||
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| {{result|warn}}<ref>On multihead: builtin monitor is dark in gdm after switch. Also a new user has one display dark (it can be brightened normally) {{bz|955820}}</ref><ref>GDM is not killed after I log out the second user</ref> | | {{result|warn}}<ref group="long">On multihead: builtin monitor is dark in gdm after switch. Also a new user has one display dark (it can be brightened normally) {{bz|955820}}</ref><ref>GDM is not killed after I log out the second user</ref> | ||
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| {{result|pass}} <ref>Incorrect test case: kwin does not and will not support llvmpipe officially. There's xrender and no composition as fallback instead. xrender doesn't support blur nor wobbly windows.</ref> | | {{result|pass}} <ref group="long">Incorrect test case: kwin does not and will not support llvmpipe officially. There's xrender and no composition as fallback instead. xrender doesn't support blur nor wobbly windows.</ref> | ||
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| {{result|pass}}<ref>very sluggish system. System had 4GB RAM and was not pegged out on memory. I noticed that glxinfo reported Gallium 0.4 llvmpipe renderer</ref> | | {{result|pass}}<ref>very sluggish system. System had 4GB RAM and was not pegged out on memory. I noticed that glxinfo reported Gallium 0.4 llvmpipe renderer</ref> | ||
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[[Category:Fedora 19 Test Days]] | == Long comments == | ||
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[[Category:Fedora 19 Test Days]] |
Latest revision as of 19:39, 26 June 2015
DATE | TIME | WHERE | |
2013-04-23 | All day | #fedora-test-day | webchat |
What to test?[edit]
Today's Fedora Test Day will focus on the Intel graphics card driver.
Who's available[edit]
The following cast of characters will be available for testing, workarounds, bug fixes, and general discussion...
- Development - Adam Jackson (ajax)
- Quality Assurance - Martin Holec (Martix) UTC 10:00-18:00, Adam Williamson (adamw) UTC 16:00-00:00
What's needed to test[edit]
- An Intel graphics adapter (i810 or later, except GMA 500 / Poulsbo)
- An updated Fedora 19 pre-release, or the special live image (see below)
How to test?[edit]
Update your machine[edit]
If you're running Fedora 19, make sure you have all the current updates for it installed, using the update manager. Or you can use a live image:
Live image[edit]
Optionally, you may download a non-destructive Fedora 19 live image for your architecture. Tips on using a live image are available at FedoraLiveCD.
Architecture | SHA256SUM |
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x86_64 (750 MB) | 6c741f41647cc6a04eee0e5213f98350110e328738ae3e610905d6fa1bbe1314 |
x86_64 full (2.7GB, including games) | f01dc79959faeba6aa36851e03e241a9d64652f4f394f712eb8355578e4d689c |
i686 (750 MB) | 17a9bb6bf552228cf0f7f910113d7dc4daec769137f6d0e75eb0cf5134b753d5 |
i686 full (2.7GB, including games) | d5ece89cfe9a7e9aa70e0f59c1ad24d71c727f825d2974e92bdf229b1f98191b |
Testing[edit]
Basic[edit]
Elementary functionality tests, which should pass on supported GPU.
- Boot
- Virtual Terminal
- X restart
- Rendercheck (can take some time to complete, from 10 minutes to an hour or two)
- GLX
- Mesa demos
- Suspend
Desktop[edit]
Basic desktop usage scenarios, which should pass on supported GPU.
- Gnome Shell - ALL i9xx and later adapters should support Shell in most configurations: if you get fallback mode, please report the test as warn and file a bug. i8xx adapters do not support Shell fully and use the fallback mode by design. Early i9xx adapters (up to i945) will not support Shell if the combined resolution of all displays exceeds 2048 in any axis
- KDE 4
- Screen rotation
- User switch
- Multihead You will need two or more monitors to perform the multihead test.
Video[edit]
Tests focused on different video playback acceleration features. Some older GPUs may not support VA-API.
3D applications/Games[edit]
Following applications has been carefully selected to test and exploit various OpenGL features using different rendering engines. If one applications test fails, next may work. Working HW 3D acceleration is needed.
Please file bugs for any failures you find if running these tests. But remember, crashes, rendering issues and glitches bugreports are more important then performance issues. Use your common sense and your knowledge about your GPU limits before reporting performance issues.
Experimental[edit]
Some recommended test cases for people, who likes trying new technology (Wayland, OpenCL) or who are interested in particular scenarios, eg. Steam, Wine.
- Hybrid graphics You will need a laptop with two GPUs. Intel and ATI (PowerXpress) or Intel and nVidia (Optimus).
- Steam
- WebGL
- Wine - Install 'wine' and try to play your favorite game. Important: Always check if your game is supported, visit: http://appdb.winehq.org Lot of bugs are actually Wine bugs, not related to GPU drivers, so be careful.
Report your results[edit]
If you have problems with any of the tests, report a bug to Bugzilla usually for the component xorg-x11-drv-intel. If you are unsure about exactly how to file the report, just ask on IRC and we will help you. Follow the instructions on this page to ensure you include sufficient information in the report. Once you have completed the tests, add your results to the Results table below, following the example results as a template. The first column should be your name with a link to your User page in the Wiki if you have one, and the second should be the model of your graphics adapter. For each test case, use the result template to enter your result, as shown in the example result line. If you could not perform one test (for example, you cannot perform the more advanced tests because the basic one fails, or you cannot perform the multihead test as you have only one display), enter the word N/A. In the comments column, you can enter the model name and PCI device ID (vendor ID is usually 8086) of your card, if you know it - you can usually find this information in the output of the command lspci -nn.
Results[edit]
Basic[edit]
User | Graphics card | Boot | Virtual Terminal | X restart | Rendercheck | GLX | Mesa demos | Suspend | Comments |
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Example user | HD 3000 | N/A | |||||||
Igor Gnatenko | HD 4000 | ||||||||
Jason Farrell | HD 4000 |
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Yury Kazakevich | 4500MHD | ||||||||
Petr Schindler | HD3000 | N/A | |||||||
nonamedotc | HD3000 | ||||||||
Alejandro Pérez | HD Ironlake | ||||||||
Jimmy Kloss | HD Ironlake (Arandale) | ||||||||
Michal Srb | 4500MHD | 8086:2a43 | |||||||
Jeff Bastian | 945GM/GMS | ||||||||
Jeff Bastian | HD 2000 (i7-2600) | ||||||||
Jeff Bastian | HD Ironlake (Arrandale, i7-M620) | ||||||||
Alexei Panov | HD Graphics 3000 (i3-2367M) | ||||||||
Vincent Douillet | HD Ironlake (i5-430M) | ||||||||
Frantisek Zatloukal | GMA 3150 | N/A | |||||||
Björn Persson | HD Graphics 4000, 8086:0166 (i5-3360M) | ||||||||
Bryan Quigley | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | ||||||||
feonsu | Intel Q45 - GMA 4500 | ||||||||
Martin Kyral | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 | ||||||||
Przemek Klosowski | 82Q35 Express IGC, 8086:29b2 | ||||||||
Carlos Soriano | HD 3000 | ||||||||
Mark Gordon | HD Arrandale | ||||||||
Michal Domonkos | HD 3000 [8086:0126] |
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Andrés Montandon | Intel 945GM (82945GM) |
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Tomas Dolezal | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 | ||||||||
Vincent Van der Kussen | Intel HD graphics 4000 |
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User | Graphics card | Boot | Virtual Terminal | X restart | Rendercheck | GLX | Mesa demos | Suspend | Comments |
Desktop[edit]
User | Graphics card | Gnome Shell | KDE 4 | Screen rotation | User switch | Multihead | Comments |
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Example user | HD 3000 | N/A | |||||
Igor Gnatenko | HD 4000 | N/A | |||||
Jason Farrell | HD 4000 | N/A | N/A |
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Yury Kazakevich | 4500MHD | N/A | N/A | ||||
Petr Schindler | Lenovo T520 with HD 3000 | N/A |
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Alejandro Pérez | Ironlake | N/A | |||||
Jimmy Kloss | HD Ironlake (Arandale) | N/A | N/A | ||||
Alexei Panov | HD Graphics 3000 (i3-2367M) | ||||||
Jeff Bastian | 945GM/GMS | ||||||
Jeff Bastian | HD 2000 (i7-2600) | ||||||
Jeff Bastian | HD Ironlake (Arrandale, i7-M620) | N/A | |||||
Vincent Douillet | HD Ironlake (i5-430m) | N/A | |||||
Frantisek Zatloukal | GMA 3150 | N/A | N/A | ||||
Bryan Quigley | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | N/A | N/A | N/A | |||
Björn Persson | HD Graphics 4000, 8086:0166 (i5-3360M) | [2] | |||||
feonsu | Intel Q45 - GMA 4500 | N/A | N/A | ||||
Martin Kyral | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 |
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Przemek Klosowski | 82Q35 Express IGC, 8086:29b2 |
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Mark Gordon | HD Arrandale | ||||||
Michal Domonkos | HD 3000 [8086:0126] | N/A | |||||
Tomas Dolezal | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 | N/A | N/A | ||||
User | Graphics card | Gnome Shell | KDE 4 | Screen rotation | User switch | Multihead | Comments |
Video[edit]
User | Graphics card | XVideo | XVMC | VA-API | Comments |
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Example user | HD 3000 | ||||
Igor Gnatenko | HD 4000 | ||||
Jason Farrell | HD 4000 | N/A | N/A |
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Petr Schindler | HD3000 | N/A | N/A | ||
Alejandro Perez | Ironlake | N/A | N/A | ||
Jimmy Kloss | HD Ironlake (Arandale) | N/A | N/A | ||
Vincent Douillet | HD Ironlake (i5-430m) | N/A | N/A | ||
Bryan Quigley | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | N/A | N/A | ||
Björn Persson | HD Graphics 4000, 8086:0166 (i5-3360M) | N/A | N/A | ||
feonsu | Intel Q45 - GMA 4500 | N/A | N/A | ||
konstantinjch | GeForce GTS 250 | ||||
Mark Gordon | HD Arrandale | N/A | N/A | ||
Michal Domonkos | HD 3000 [8086:0126] | N/A | N/A | ||
User | Graphics card | XVideo | XVMC | VA-API | Comments |
3D Applications/Games[edit]
User | Graphics card | PyMOL | Stellarium | SuperTuxKart | Xonotic | VDrift | 0 A.D. | Comments |
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Example user | HD 3000 | N/A | ||||||
Igor Gnatenko | HD 4000 | |||||||
Jason Farrell | HD 4000 | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | |||
Jimmy Kloss | HD Ironlake (Arandale) | |||||||
Alexei Panov | HD Graphics 3000 (i3-2367M) | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||||
Bryan Quigley | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | |||||||
nonamedotc | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | |||||||
Björn Persson | HD Graphics 4000, 8086:0166 (i5-3360M) | N/A | ||||||
feonsu | Intel Q45 - GMA 4500 | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||||
Martin Kyral | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 | |||||||
Przemek Klosowski | 82Q35 Express IGC, 8086:29b2 | [2] | ||||||
Michal Domonkos | HD 3000 [8086:0126] | |||||||
Tomas Dolezal | GMA 4500MHD, 8086:2a42 | [5] | ||||||
User | Graphics card | PyMOL | Stellarium | SuperTuxKart | Xonotic | VDrift | 0 A.D. | Comments |
Experimental[edit]
User | Graphics card | Hybrid graphics | Steam | WebGL | Wine | Comments |
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Example user | HD 3000 | N/A | ||||
Igor Gnatenko | HD 4000 | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||
Jason Farrell | HD 4000 | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||
Jimmy Kloss | HD Ironlake (Arandale) | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||
Alexei Panov | HD Graphics 3000 (i3-2367M) | N/A | N/A | N/A | ||
Bryan Quigley | Mobile 4 Series Chipset (8086:2a42) | N/A | N/A | N/A | freedesktop.org bugs 57622 and 60975 | |
Björn Persson | HD Graphics 4000, 8086:0166 (i5-3360M) | N/A | N/A | N/A |
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Tomas Dolezal | GMA 4500MHD [8086:2a42]; ATI HD 3450 [1002:95c4] | N/A | N/A | |||
Martin Holec | HD 3000 | |||||
User | Graphics card | Hybrid graphics | Steam | WebGL | Wine | Comments |
Long comments[edit]
- ↑ On multihead: builtin monitor is dark in gdm after switch. Also a new user has one display dark (it can be brightened normally) RHBZ #955820
- ↑ Incorrect test case: kwin does not and will not support llvmpipe officially. There's xrender and no composition as fallback instead. xrender doesn't support blur nor wobbly windows.