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| {{admon/note|Archive of discussion|This is an archive of discussion of a Hackfest at [[FUDCon/FUDConF10|FUDConF10]].}}
| | #REDIRECT [[Websites/Spins]] |
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| {{see also|SIGs/Spins/SpinSubmissionProcess}}
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| == What do we need? ==
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| # Black box
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| # Metadat
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| # Extensibility
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| # Seeding
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| # Adding new spins
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| # Metrics
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| == Who? ==
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| * tinkerer
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| * live USBs
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| * developers to build more spins
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| * spin user
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| * spin reviewer
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| * potential spin builders
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| == Tasks ==
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| # Get details on a spin
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| # Modify spin details
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| # Find spin you like
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| # Download spin
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| # Build spin
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| # add spin to site (unofficially)
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| # apply for official status
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| #* submit
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| #* review
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| #* pass/fail
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| # Review spins and approve
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| # Gardening/which are being updated?
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| # Voting/popularity
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| #* Find the "coolest" spins
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| #* Mozilla addons as a model
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| # Discontinue spins?
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| # View security vulnerabilities
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| # Download kickstart file and extra scripts that were submitted
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| # Spin diffing
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| # Howto for revisor
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| # "Make my Fedora this" -- one click install with metapackages and PackageKit
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| # "I use this spin" sticker to put on blog or what have you
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| # '''Advertise'''
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| # Based on Fedora and *only* Fedora?
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| == Example users ==
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| === Joe -- artist ===
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| # Read about spins
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| #* from blogs?
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| # Go to spins.fpo
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| # See popular spins, categories, and what a spin is
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| ## What are all spins? (generally)
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| ##* What do they do?
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| ##* Why do I need it?
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| ##* Why don't I just use plain Fedora?
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| ##* How do I use it?
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| ##* How do I download
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| ##* Screencast/video
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| ##* Live vs. installed
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| ##* Link to directory
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| ## Expanded view on individual spins
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| ##* Comments
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| ##* Digg-style voting
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| ##* Karma++
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| ##* What's in it
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| ##* Link back to what a spin is and how to use
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| So...
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| # What does Joe need?
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| #* idea of what he wants
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| #* fedora system or USB key or blank disc
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| #* time it takes
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| # (blank box)
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| # What does Joe get?
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| #* Live image with instructions
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| #* 1-click to make your Fedora that spin (PackageKit)
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| ==== So we want to search for spins by: ====
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| * package
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| * task
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| * tag
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| * "art"
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| * pkgdb metadata
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| * language
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| * filtering out spins that won't work using Smolt profiles?
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| which leads to a huge list of spins. somehow we need to compare. use what is available in the list, such as architectures, live/install, what media it fits on, etc.
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| Then click spin, and we see
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| * download this spin
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| * "make my fedora this" (PackageKit)
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| ** smolt.
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| * other suggested packages
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| ==== Post-spin downloading ====
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| * Installation instructions and stuff show up
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| * Win/Mac/Lin download client or other instructions
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| * Feedback plz!
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| * Survey email after 1 week
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| * Smolt profile with a tag that says what spin it is
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| === Bob -- Fedora user/dev ===
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| "Bob thinks that he is the smartest person God ever created. Bob will create the spin to end all spins." -- Max Spevack
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| * Go to spins.fpo
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| * "Add a spin"
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| ** Login
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| ** "Spins are cool, make your own" banner
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| ** How to build
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| *** What tools?
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| *** Instructions for tools
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| *** How to "craft" this spin
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| *** What makes a compelling spin
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| *** requirements
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| *** official vs. unofficial
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| *** what's allowed (just Fedora?)
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| *** How to configure
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| *** submit RPM
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| *** i18n
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| *** how to build KS file
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| *** make my running system a spin?
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| ** He's a motivated guy, and he wants to create a spin.
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| ** Maybe we should have a spin for spin developers. Hrmm...
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| * Sections on this page...
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| ** How to build -- back to the how to build section elsewhere
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| ** Addition form
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| ==== Create a Kickstart file ====
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| * Web wizard
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| * Upload
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| * Pick one to base off of
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| * Have Kickstart recipes
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| * Kickstart post, RPM post, or wizard?
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| * Very very very very very very good samples
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| * Testing info
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| * He needs to build now
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| ** web wizard
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| **# Download link in email, available for 24 hours or so
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| ** local build <s>+ BitTorrent
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| **# submit BT file
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| **# tracked by Fedora, seeded by Fedora -- very dangerous</s>
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| *** testing route, and resubmit Kickstart file.
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| ==== Review process ====
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| * Metadata with information on what it is for
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| * Submit to review
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| ** We don't have a clue about this
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| ** Login/view status at any time
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| * Yes
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| ** fill out wiki details for spin page
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| ** maybe suggest a SIG
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| ** auto respin for security issues or updates?
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| * No
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| ** what's wrong, how to fix
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| ** end there or go back
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| ==== In and out example ====
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| * What Bob is putting in
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| ** experience on creating spins and Fedora
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| ** time
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| ** FAS account
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| * (blank box)
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| * What Bob gets back
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| ** ISO
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| ** spin page
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| ** personalized distro
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| ** handout
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| ** user base
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| ** build tools
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| ** approval of spin
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| == Reviewer Process ==
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| {{admon/warning|Legal issues|There are some legal issues with spins that are still being worked out. This section currently contains what we discussed before we hit legal stuff.}}
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| === Kickstart file approval ===
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| * KS submitted
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| * Ticket created
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| * Auto-validation process of kickstart
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| ** Syntax
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| ** Forbidden items validation
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| ** Repos
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| ** Root password
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| ** If any of these present, automatically reject ticket
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| * Does it have scripts?
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| ** No: initial automatic approval, needs metadata check
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| ** Yes: email sent to mailing list, assigned to "default" reviewer
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| *** Discussion takes place on saneness of scripts
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| *** Unapproved: here's why, here's how to fix it, Retry or Abort?
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| === Levels of reviewed approvalness ===
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| * Hosted
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| * BT/Community
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| * Ignored
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| == Interesting questions ==
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| # Allow Adobe to create a spin?
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| #* If it uses all Fedora software, that works.
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| # Live spin or just an installer?
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| #* The main consensus is to allow both, and make sure we tell the end user on the spins page.
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| == Tasks ==
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| # spins.fp.o test instance
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| #* '''Nobody'''
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| # What is a spin info
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| #* '''Nobody'''
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| # Collect all spins on BT (short-term hack)
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| #* '''Nobody'''
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| # Patch "Get Fedora"
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| #* '''Nobody'''
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| #* In the process of being redone, so it should get added in
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| # Search backend
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| #* '''Nobody'''
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