ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-jan-21

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-21

Meeting Summary

• Rawhide non-blocking freeze for Alpha late tonight
• Alpha packages will NOT be signed with the testing key

1. would add several days of additional delay to alpha release 1. there is no checking at install time to verifiy signatures so it doesn't matter anyway

• Release Alpha on Thursday, 2008-01-31
• f13's plan for the day

1. get a spin done with fixed dhcp6client 1. publish the rescue.isos so that other people can test with it 1. create the freeze tag and do the intial clone over to it so that the clone tonight will be quick

IRC Transcript

-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting		13:02
f13	ping notting jeremy spot warren rdieter wwoods jwb poelcat lmacken	13:03
* spot is here		13:03
* lmacken is here		13:03
jwb	not here today.  real life stuff	13:03
* notting is here		13:03
* wwoods here		13:03
warren	whoa, how did that happen	13:03
* warren somewhat here		13:03
f13	... warren how did what happen?	13:04
warren	">somewhat< here"	13:04
warren	oh	13:04
* warren really out of it		13:05
wwoods	did you mix us up?	13:05
* poelcat here		13:05
* lmacken takes the crack pipe away from warren		13:05
warren	I'm currently on Cipro	13:05
warren	fun stuff	13:05
warren	especially when I'm allergic to it	13:05
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Fedora 9 Alpha		13:06
f13	so...	13:06
f13	we decided last week to slip a week and revisit today the topic of freezing.	13:06
f13	we made some good progress last week, adn then hit some speedbumps toward the end of the week.	13:06
f13	continuing on to today	13:06
wwoods	today's rawhide does 'ip=dhcp' correctly (yay!) but dies trying to start anaconda (aww!)	13:07
f13	wwoods: dcantrell/clumens just found the cause of that (http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-help/2007-04/msg00307.html)	13:07
f13	I've invited them to pop in and talk to us a bit about the alpha from their POV	13:07
clumens	THUD	13:07
f13	thanks guys.	13:08
f13	other than this linking issue, how do you feel about freezing today for alpha?	13:08
dcantrell	suits me	13:08
f13	I know we fixed al ot of stuff last week, and I should be able to get some rescue images out for testing with as soon as we have a new dhcp6client build	13:08
clumens	yeah i'm fine with that.  i want to fix wwoods's kickstart user command bug but i wouldn't consider that an alpha blocker.	13:09
f13	(a working rescue image can be used with today's public rawhide tree so I can publish it out in the 'tubes for other people to use)	13:09
wwoods	system-config-rootpassword.. want that fixed for alpha as it's a one-line dang .spec change	13:09
wwoods	but yeah I think freezing today is OK	13:09
f13	well, freeze would be late tonight	13:10
wwoods	I want to test sis video but AFAIK there's nothing horrible looming	13:10
f13	to match up with the content of tomorrow's rawhide.	13:10
f13	I hope we can get David Airlie's driver update to make kvm work again in	13:10
wwoods	that would be *super*	13:11
f13	but other than that, I'm pretty OK with a freeze too.  I'd like to get it done so we can shuffle some more infrastructure stuff we put on hold as to not threaten the alpha.	13:11
f13	Proposal:  Proceed with freeze as planned tonight, attempt alpha release next week.	13:12
f13	+1	13:12
warren	immediately after release goes gcc43?	13:12
f13	warren: something like that.	13:12
notting	+1 for me	13:12
wwoods	+1	13:12
warren	f13, +1	13:12
lmacken	+1	13:13
f13	spot: ?	13:13
spot	+1	13:14
f13	aight.  That passes.	13:15
f13	the next Alpha topic I have is on the subject of signed packages.	13:15
f13	In order to have signed packages for the alpha, I'd have to start signing today, and it likely wouldn't be done until late next week, and it would likely overflow us on our current storage.	13:16
f13	our new storage is online, but we're not switched over yet	13:16
f13	do you think folks would come after us with pitchforks and torches should we release alpha without all the packages signed?	13:16
notting	wouldn't be done until late next week when started today?	13:17
wwoods	f13: only if it throws an error that hampers installation/updates	13:17
wwoods	but since we don't check the signatures in rawhide anyway..	13:17
f13	wwoods: yeah, clients wouldn't be set to balk on unsigned packages.	13:18
clumens	speaking of which, i want to fix that...	13:18
f13	notting: late this week, guessing at current nfs performance	13:18
notting	f13: that's bad	13:18
poelcat	should they be signed if this is an "official, though not GA, release" ?	13:18
f13	notting: yes, I know.  WHich is why I'm very eager to get A) onto the new storage, and B) releng1 over to RHEL5	13:19
f13	poelcat: typically we sign them with the test key, but we don't do any checking that they're signed anywhere	13:19
f13	poelcat: anaconda doesn't, nor does our yum configs for rawhide	13:19
f13	poelcat: and all it would really do is baloon our space and potentially delay our release.	13:19
poelcat	fair enough	13:19
wwoods	nice. trying to install Windows XP on one of my test machines.. no graphics	13:21
wwoods	installer appears to be hung	13:21
f13	Proposal:  Skip gpg signing for Alpha release.  Make lots of noise as to why it's skipped to avoid confusion.	13:23
f13	+1	13:23
lmacken	+1	13:23
wwoods	+1	13:24
notting	+0	13:24
warren	+1	13:24
poelcat	+0	13:25
spot	+1	13:25
f13	aight, that passes as well.	13:25
f13	My plan for the rest of today is to get a spin done with fixed dhcp6client and publish the rescue.isos so that other people can test with it, and create the freeze tag and do the intial clone over to it so that the clone tonight will be quick.	13:26
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion		13:27
f13	is there any open topics to discuss?	13:27
lmacken	when should I start spinning the livecds ?	13:27
notting	to test? probably after f13 has tested his rescue isos	13:28
lmacken	ok	13:28
notting	actually, how are we handling pre-release live testing?	13:28
f13	notting: rescue.iso + mash output?	13:29
notting	f13: no, live image testing	13:29
f13	those of us behind the iron curtain can get to my bits	13:29
f13	oh Live images.	13:29
f13	I thought there was a grid for that?	13:30
f13	wwoods: ?	13:30
wwoods	it's on the test matrix	13:30
wwoods	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TreeTestingTemplate	13:31
wwoods	nothing specific though	13:31
wwoods	the more detailed test plan might have some specifics	13:31
f13	what of jlaska's stuff are we going to use for alpha?	13:31
notting	right, i'm just curious if we have a specific plan for how often we spin live images, where do we put them to get testing pickup, etc.	13:32
wwoods	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install	13:32
wwoods	that's the new test plan	13:32
wwoods	(draft)	13:32
wwoods	but there's nothing Live-specific	13:33
f13	notting: we should put something in the Torrent today or tomorrow	13:33
f13	and ask for feedback	13:33
wwoods	oh, the getting-people-bits part of the plan	13:33
notting	wwoods: ia64 is on that page?	13:33
notting	and s390x?	13:33
wwoods	my brain says lmacken is going to be the media spinner but I dunno why	13:33
wwoods	body thetans, probably	13:33
wwoods	notting: arooo? yeah I dunno why that's there	13:34
wwoods	probably just held over from RHEL test plans	13:34
f13	aight, is there anything else to discuss?	13:36
notting	f13: how goes the-signing-server-whose-name-i-forget? do we have an intended landing date?	13:37
lmacken	sigul	13:37
f13	notting: I've been fighting other fires and not been able to poke at it.  I'd still like to land it this release cycle.	13:37
lmacken	afaik, it needs some more logic in the client.  I also want to sit down with nail and make sure we're not doing anything stupid (which we are)	13:37
poelcat	f13: you'll send mail about the rescue.iso and how to use it?	13:37
f13	poelcat: yes	13:38
notting	f13: and, we're doing split CDs for alpha, or is that waiting for beta?	13:38
f13	notting: Planning on doing them for alpha	13:38
lmacken	s/nail/nalin/	13:38
f13	notting: I think I fixed one booboo which lead to always needing CD 6, and now we're back down to 1,2,3 for a default (without office) install	13:38
notting	f13: cool	13:38
f13	I have to go out tonight and pick up more DVD+/-RW media as mine has finally becomed too trashed to use.	13:39
f13	Ok, if there's nothing else, I'd like to get to work (:	13:40

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