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= Fedora Lite Spin =
= LXDE Spin =


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== Summary ==


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The Fedora LXDE spin is meant to be a lightweight but yet complete desktop based on [http://lxde.org LXDE], the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment.


=Past Releases=


== Summary ==
* [{{fullurl:LXDE_Spin|oldid=187464}} Fedora 14]
Fedora Lite Spin - Fedora for systems with limited resources
* [{{fullurl:LXDE_Spin|oldid=176936}} Fedora 13]
* [{{fullurl:LXDE_Spin|oldid=134640}} Fedora 12]


== Owner ==
== Owner ==
* Name: ChristophWickert (feel free to add yourself)


== Current status ==
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* Targeted release: [[Releases/10| Fedora 10]]  
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* Last updated: 2008-05-04
* Name: [[User:Mtasaka|Mamoru Tasaka]]
* Percentage of completion: 20%
* email: <mtasaka@fedoraproject.org>


== Detailed Description ==
== Detailed Description ==
Fedora lite is meant to be a lightweight but yet complete desktop based on LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. For more information about LXDE please visit the [[ChristophWickert/LXDE|  LXDE wiki page]] .
 
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LXDE is a modern but lightweight desktop including a panel, desktop icons and a file manager together with a collection of lightweight applications for every day needs. For more information about LXDE please visit the [[LXDE|  LXDE wiki page]] and the [[Features/LXDE|  LXDE Feature page]] .


== Benefit to Fedora ==
== Benefit to Fedora ==
Current Fedora installs need a lot of disk space and resources. This is an attempt to make Fedora suitable for older and smaller machines.


== Scope ==
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package reviews, livecd
Current Fedora installs need a lot of disk space and resources. This is an attempt to make Fedora suitable for older and smaller machines like Netbooks or the XO.


== Test Plan ==
== Kickstart File ==
1. Get the desired packages into Rawhide
1. Spin livecds based on Rawhide an make them available via torrent
1. Project should go stable by the release of F-10


== User Experience ==
* http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=fedora-livecd-lxde.ks;hb=F-16
A modern but lightweight desktop including a panel, desktop icons and a file manager together with a collection of lightweight applications for every day needs.
Localized versions:
* http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=l10n/fedora-livecd-lxde-de_DE.ks;hb=F-16
* http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=spin-kickstarts.git;a=blob_plain;f=l10n/fedora-livecd-lxde-de_CH.ks;hb=F-16


Screenshots: http://lxde.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html
== ISO Name / FS Label ==
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* ISO name: Fedora-$release-$arch-Live-LXDE
* FS-Label: Fedora-$release-$arch-LXDE


== Package Selection Proposal ==
== Dependencies ==
In addition to [[ChristophWickert/LXDE#head-0f48e3840d652d3b5d23b0f998ebb25f37494e5b|  the packages already provided by LXDE]]  here is a proposal for packages for the livecd. A special Thanks goes out to SebastianVahl for his suggestions. The [http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps List of recommended applications from the xfce wiki]  might also be of interest.
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* packages not yet in Fedora (link to the review page if there is one)
| Terminal Emulator || [http://gnomefiles.org/app.php/Lxterminal LXTerminal]  || [https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452324 Review] || [http://roxterm.sourceforge.net/ roxterm], xterm || X
* features that need to be accepted before this Spin can use them
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* features that need to be completed before this Spin can use them
| Web Browser || [http://software.twotoasts.de/?page=midori Midori]  || X || OLPC Browser || kind of
* any other dependency you can think of, items to be completed
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| Email Client || [http://sylpheed.sraoss.jp/en/ sylpheed]  || X || claws-mail || X
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| Instant Messaging || ? ||  ||  ||
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| IRC || [http://lostirc.sourceforge.net/ lostirc]  || X || xchat || X
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| Bittorrent || [http://www.transmissionbt.com transmission]  || X || bittorrent-gui, [http://code.google.com/p/linkage/ linkage]  || X
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| Office || [http://siag.nu/ Siag Office]  || TODO! || abiword and gnumeric || X
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| Calendar || [http://www.day-planner.org/ dayplanner]  || X ||  ||
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| Address Book || [http://gfa.sourceforge.net gfa ]  || X ||  ||
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| Document Viewer || [http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/ E-PDF]  || X || gv || X
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| Audio Player || [http://www.sacredchao.net/quodlibet/ quodlibet]  || X || audacious, exaile || X
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| Movie Player || [http://xinehq.de/ gxine]  || X || [http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ whaawmp]  ||
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| CD Ripper || [http://littlesvr.ca/asunder/ asunder]  || X || [http://nostatic.org/grip/ grip]  || X
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| Disc Burning || [http://gnomebaker.sourceforge.net/ gnomebaker] ? || X || [http://graveman.tuxfamily.org/ graveman]  || orphaned
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| Login Manager || [http://slim.berlios.de/ SLiM]  || X || xdm || X
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| Calculator || [http://galculator.sourceforge.net/ galculator]  || X || xcalc || X
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| Clipboard Manager || [http://code.google.com/p/xyhthyx/ parcellite]  || X || ||
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| Wireless || [http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ wicd]  ||  || [http://spuriousinterrupt.org/projects/airconfig airconfig]  ||
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* none, everything is in Fedora already
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# Run [[JeremyKatz/SpinChecklist#Testing_of_the_Spin| basic spin testing]]
# Test installs from livecd and usb, test livecdcreator
# [[Features/LXDE#Things_to_test| Things to test on LXDE]]
== Spins Page ==
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=== Slogan ===
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Lighter, faster, less resource hungry.
=== Spin description ===
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== Dependencies ==
LXDE, the "Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment", is an extremely fast, performing and energy saving desktop environment. It is maintained by an international community of developers and comes with a beautiful interface, multi-language support, standard keyboard short cuts and additional features like tabbed file browsing.
* get the missing packages into Fedora
 
LXDE is not designed to be powerful and bloated, but to be usable and slim and keep the resource usage low. It is especially designed for computers with low hardware specifications like netbooks, mobile devices (e.g. MIDs) or older computers.


== Issues/Questions ==
=== Screenshot ===
* (Un)mounting of removable media. Can be done via hald with pcmanfm.
* Inclusion of system-config tools
* What about wireless? We cannot include NM-gnome because it would pull in gconf and friends. Will system-config-network suffice?
* Remove locales or docs to minimize the space requirements?


== Long Term ==
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* Encourage cooperation with [http://www.rule-project.org the RULE Project] . Can we integrate (parts of) RULE into Fedora, e.g slinky?
[https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Lxde-spin-f12-screenshot.png F12 LXDE Spin Screenshot]
* Make Anaconda work with less RAM?
* Anaconda doing a live install will require less RAM (as it's not doing package installs).  Your biggest RAM requirement will be that changes to the live image are kept in RAM and so lower RAM systems suffer on the live images.  Requiring that they use persistence (which is landing in Fedora 9) will help, but make things less easy  (katzj)


== Documentation ==
=== Download tab ===
none by now


== Release Notes ==
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none by now


== Comments ==
The Fedora LXDE spin is meant to be a lightweight but yet complete desktop based on LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. LXDE is a modern but lightweight desktop including a panel, desktop icons and a file manager together with a collection of lightweight applications for every day needs.
* I have hard to believe that this stripping down is useful when installer doesn't work with less 512MB of RAM. :-( MatejCepl
* Huh? I remember I did a graphical install of F7 on a laptop with 256 MB of RAM. ChristophWickert
* For IM and IRC, I propose Pidgin, considering that it works as both the IM Client and IRC solution. - JuanRodriguezMoreno
* but this would pull in gconf _and_ gstreamer again ... - ChristophWickert
* pidgin sucks, because it requires a lot of stuff (evolution-data-server, pango), shouldn't we say that our users shouldn't use anything else than Jabber (and IRC via irssi or xchat) and then we can use tkabber (never used, so I am not exactly sure how lightweight it really is). MatejCepl


* What is the target audience for this spin? Beginners, advanced users, experts? This could also affect the used packages (imho emelfm's target is not beginners) SebastianVahl
=== Support tab ===
* Perhaps users who cannot afford to upgrade their hardware?  For example, in the rural or inner cities areas in America, or in the poorer countries elsewhere in the world?


=== Suggestions for additional packages (by SebastianVahl) ===
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* Multimedia Engine: xine or gstreamer (IMHO the latter would be better)
* I suggest Xine, IMO gstreamer would blow things up to much. ChristophWickert
* Movie Player: [http://home.gna.org/whaawmp/ whaawmp]  (somehow broken atm; not in Fedora) or gxine (in Fedora) SebastianVahl
* whaawmp is definitively worth a look if we decide to use gsteamer, otherwise I agree with gxine ChristophWickert
* whaawmp has one disadvantage in my eyes: it prints a confusing error message when a needed codec for a file isn't installed. SebastianVahl
* Instant Messanging: licq? (never used it; in Fedora)
* licq would be good because it also ships a gtk interface, but for me it was crashing very often when I tested it :( ChristophWickert
* The basic licq package in Fedora has a Qt frontend and so Qt as a dependency. And licq-icqnd (the gtk frontend) requires it.
* Additional tools for openbox: obconf, obmenu, with [http://lewk.org/blog/securitylivecd xdg pipe menu] )
* good Idea, I suggest we add obconf and obmenu to the lxde-desktop comps group


=== ConsoleKit support in slim/xdm ===
IRC:
* #lxde on oftc.net: irc://irc.oftc.net/lxde
* #fedora on freenode.net: irc://irc.freenode.net/fedora


* ATM both login managers don't support ConsoleKit. This would prevent fast user switching and mounting removable devices (eg. via gnome-mount) and maybe other stuff via hal.  SebastianVahl
Mailing lists:
* IMO fast user switching is something we can ignore in the light spin. It is most likely that nobody will ever use it if his computer already suffers from limited resources with one user logged in. ChristophWickert
* LXDE-list: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/lxde-list
* Fedora-list: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list


feel free to add a comment
Forums:
* LXDE Forum: http://forum.lxde.org
* Fedora Forum: http://www.fedoraforum.org/


=== GConf ===
Wikis:
* LXDE in the Fedora wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LXDE
* LXDE wiki: http://wiki.lxde.org
* Fedora in the LXDE wiki: http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Fedora


You wrote several times to not have apps which require GConf. Don't you want apps that _use_ Gconf or don't you want GConf on the live images at all? The latter would be hard to realize because anaconda requires system-config-keyboard which requires firstboot. And firstboot requires metacity (and so GConf and some other Gnome stuff). Eg.: GConf, Metacity and some other Gnome packages are also on the KDE live images.
=== Custom branding ===
It's not that easy (or maybe impossible in Fedora at this time) to break this dependency chain up. SebastianVahl


I know excluding GConf isn't possible ATM, but I'm happy if it's not needed for runtime of the desktop. ChristophWickert
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=== References ===
== Comments and Discussion ==


* http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/26480
* See [[Talk:LXDE Spin]]
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Latest revision as of 13:20, 29 August 2018


LXDE Spin

The LXDE Spin is available for download at http://spins.fedoraproject.org/lxde/

Summary

The Fedora LXDE spin is meant to be a lightweight but yet complete desktop based on LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment.

Past Releases

Owner

Detailed Description

LXDE is a modern but lightweight desktop including a panel, desktop icons and a file manager together with a collection of lightweight applications for every day needs. For more information about LXDE please visit the LXDE wiki page and the LXDE Feature page .

Benefit to Fedora

Current Fedora installs need a lot of disk space and resources. This is an attempt to make Fedora suitable for older and smaller machines like Netbooks or the XO.

Kickstart File

Localized versions:

ISO Name / FS Label

  • ISO name: Fedora-$release-$arch-Live-LXDE
  • FS-Label: Fedora-$release-$arch-LXDE

Dependencies

  • none, everything is in Fedora already

Scope / Testing

  1. Run basic spin testing
  2. Test installs from livecd and usb, test livecdcreator
  3. Things to test on LXDE

Spins Page

Slogan

Lighter, faster, less resource hungry.

Spin description

LXDE, the "Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment", is an extremely fast, performing and energy saving desktop environment. It is maintained by an international community of developers and comes with a beautiful interface, multi-language support, standard keyboard short cuts and additional features like tabbed file browsing.

LXDE is not designed to be powerful and bloated, but to be usable and slim and keep the resource usage low. It is especially designed for computers with low hardware specifications like netbooks, mobile devices (e.g. MIDs) or older computers.

Screenshot

F12 LXDE Spin Screenshot

Download tab

The Fedora LXDE spin is meant to be a lightweight but yet complete desktop based on LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment. LXDE is a modern but lightweight desktop including a panel, desktop icons and a file manager together with a collection of lightweight applications for every day needs.

Support tab

IRC:

Mailing lists:

Forums:

Wikis:

Custom branding

Already done by Mo.

Comments and Discussion


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