Meeting:Zh/Meetings/2008-01-04

策划

议题需要包括

• 继续邀请加入 fedora-cn Google Group 暨邮件列表 ，帮助申请 fedora 贡献者帐号

• 各项工作的总结和安排：文档的撰写，翻译，打包和审核

日志

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20:01 -!- Topic for #fedora-cn: #fedora-cn: /charset utf-8 | 邮件列表 http://groups.google.com/group/fedora-cn | 论坛 http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/forumdisplay.php?f=40 | Wiki http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN | 软件仓库 ftp://ftp.fedora.cn | 20071108 fedora 8 发布 http://torrent.fedoraproject.org | 周五20:00 IRC聚会 20080104
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20:01 -!- Irssi: #fedora-cn: Total of 35 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 11 voices, 23 normal] 
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20:03 <+hers> 这个是什么错误？ 启动 httpd：httpd: apr_sockaddr_info_get() failed for mstar.sz
20:03 <+hers> httpd: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName
20:03 <+hers> no listening sockets available, shutting down
20:03 <+hers> Unable to open logs
20:04 < Epocher> hers, 前面的错误是没有设置域句
20:04 < Epocher> hers, 前面的错误是没有设置域名
20:05 < Epocher> 后面是端口打不开
20:05 <+hers> 怎么设置呢？我的 hosts 是 [root@mstar ~] # cat /etc/hosts
20:05 <+hers> # Do not remove the following line, or various programs
20:05 <+hers> # that require network functionality will fail.
20:05 <+hers> 127.0.0.1       localhost.localdomain   localhost       mstar.sz        mstar
20:05 <+hers> 至于端口，没有开 skype，还有谁会占用 80?
20:06 <+gcell> Epocher: 您老用什么版本的scim?或者这只是Fedora的问题,Gentoo没问题
20:07 < Epocher> httpd.conf 里的 ServerName 必须是DNS能解析的域名，或 hosts 里有的
20:07 < Epocher> gcell, 我不老...
20:07 < Epocher> app-i18n/scim-1.4.7
20:09 <+gcell> Epocher: 尊称么,我的是1.4.6可能是新版修正了,gentoo就是好啊,跟着源码走,冲在最前线
20:10 <+hers> 晕，不能用 mstar.sz 这种 hostname，是别人的域名…… 可是为什么会认为这样的域名优先级不够呢
20:10 < Epocher> gcell, 都一样用的... 个人爱好不同而已...
20:11 < jcome> 今天的主题是什么?
20:11 <+gcell> Epocher: 确实,我习惯Fedora系列了,不过对gentoo很有兴趣,等有时间了要试试
20:12 < Epocher> :D
20:12 -!- Administrator [n=chatzill@221.234.243.39]  has joined #fedora-cn
20:12 < Administrator> hello,i am wolook
20:12 <+hers> jcome~ 这一周没人登记主题到 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/zh_CN/Meetings/Latest
20:12 <+hers> jcome~ 也没人向 AskFedora 提问
20:13 < Administrator> is any body here?
20:13 <+hers> hi, Administrator 我看
20:13 -!- Administrator is now known as wolook
20:13 <+hers> hi, wolook
20:14 <+hers> 还是有问题，这次诡异得很
20:14 < wolook> 你好hers，你说什么比较诡异？
20:14 <+gcell> 没什么活力
20:14 < wolook> 这里没有什么人呀
20:15 <+hers> http://rafb.net/p/L022ow78.html
20:15 < wolook> http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/thread320887.html这个问题谁能够帮我支持一下。
20:15 <+hers> wolook~ 你爱热闹就多说说话
20:15 < wolook> 帮我解决一下这个问题,和迷茫对于这个问题
20:17 < wolook> 最好去回复一下~谢谢
20:18 <+gcell> wolook: 已回,好方法
20:18 < wolook> thanks~
20:19 < wolook> 我想知道你们学习Linux的时候是直接在xp电脑上面再安装一个linux吗?
20:20 <+gcell> wolook: 是的,我是的,但是很久没有进XP了
20:20 < wolook> 我主要xp要工作用,想知道学习Linux买一台2手电脑可以吗?速度不会有太大影响吧?
20:21 < wolook> 我主要是学习用fedora做服务器,而不是用来日常使用的.
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20:21 <+gcell> wolook: 只要你不买档次太低的应该没什么问题吧,虽然说Fedora硬件要求不高,但是也不能太低
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20:22 <+hers> wolook~ 那搞一个很便宜的也没问题
20:22 < wolook> 你可以推荐一个基本配置吗?
20:22 <+hers> wolook~ 要出多少钱？
20:23 < wolook> 不是资金问题,是我买来仅学习Linux没有别的用途,我目前有2台电脑都日常需要使用,不敢出问题.所以买一个能够正常支持fd8的就够了
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20:25 < Epocher> wolook, 随便都可以，内存不要低于 512 就是了
20:25 < Epocher> wolook, 还有，有些本子不支持 Linux, 也别买，具体哪些我不清楚
20:25 < Kevin_> 呵呵，现在内存很便宜，一根1G的也就是100多
20:26 < Epocher> 所以就是... 随便...
20:26 < wolook> 谢谢,台机一般都支持吗?安装fd8都是CD还是DVD呢?买二手本本学习估计很多都是CD driver
20:26 <+gcell> wolook: 买台神舟的,新的也不贵
20:27 < wolook> 只要必要,贵点也无所谓.
20:27 < wolook> 就是不知道你们有没有人是为了学习Linux或者玩Linux单独买一台呢?
20:27 < Epocher> wolook, 双系统解决一切...
20:27 -!- Kevin_ is now known as joncin
20:28 <+gcell> wolook: 大多数都是双系统吧
20:28 < wolook> 关键我是新手,会不会在安装系统的时候把现有的XP弄垮了?
20:28 < joncin> 对了，不知道VMware学习Linux可以么？
20:28 <+gcell> wolook: 这要看你乱搞到什么程度了
20:28 < wolook> 你们的意思是安装双系统,fd8的任何设置都不会影响XP吗
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20:29 < jcome> 作个备份呗,
20:29 <+gcell> wolook: 学习嘛,太小心了就学不到什么了,随便乱搞一通,搞的越乱学的越快
20:30 < jcome> 这种东西就是要折腾几次就什么都只到了
20:30 < wolook> 大家说如果我主要是学习linux作为服务器来使用,应该用那个发行版比较好?
20:30 < jcome> 什么都知道了
20:31 < jcome> 大的发行版都行吧
20:31 <+gcell> wolook: 不知道,我也是菜鸟,问hers
20:31 < wolook> fedora or centOs?大家觉得那个作为服务器应用比较好?
20:31 < rainy> 真要做服务器...centos, debian stable分支。如果只是学，哪个发行版都可以。。。
20:32 < wolook> 是真的要做服务器~fd做服务器不是最好的版本吗?
20:33 < rainy> 看个人能力的。。。
20:33 < rainy> 有能力的人，哪个发行版都可以做的很好。。。初学时期就不用要求太高了
20:33 < wolook> 有什么区别吗?我就见过centos & fedora的服务器,还没有见过debian
20:34 < wolook> 运行高负载的website,那个更加稳定?
20:34 < rainy> http://sourceforge.net/这个网站知道吧？他们超过50％的服务器是debian，还有一些是fedora和gentoo。
20:35 <+gcell> wolook: 都差不多,你如果学会了使用一个发行版,就一通百通了
20:35 < rainy> 我建议你现在手头上有哪个发行版就从哪个发行版开始...
20:35 < wolook> 了解,谢谢各位~另外bsd和linux是完全2个不同的系统吧?当然我知道都是unix的
20:37 < rainy> linux不是unix...虽然都很好，各有特色，但概念还是不要混淆。
20:38 <+gcell> IRC里面有那位兄弟也用yo2的服务没？
20:39 <+abner> 你們 emesene 的 dbus plugin 可不可以啟用呢？
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20:39 < joncin> 大家好，我想问一下，学Linux用VMware可以么？
20:40 < wolook> vmware是什么?
20:41 < wolook> 看到很多虚拟主机商都提供vmware servcie
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20:41 <+abner> 剛開始學可以的，但上手以後還是裝一個吧…
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20:42 <+gcell> vmware会把你本来就有的那一点兴趣磨灭掉的
20:42 < joncin> 对了，学Linux到最后是不是都要学会Linux下的编程阿？
20:43 < rainy_> shell编程是必须的...
20:44 < joncin> 呵呵。我以前学过C和数据结构，有这个基础可以么？
20:44 < rainy_> 今天网络真不稳定，连接正常，突然没有流量了。。。faint...
20:49 <+gcell> joncin: linux会使你对编程产生兴趣的
20:50 < shpchp> 不会编程用 linux 没意义, 还不如用 windows
20:50 < joncin> 呵呵，谢谢你们啦
20:50 < joncin> 我现在是搞网络的，所以我以后想搞网络下的编程
20:51 < joncin> 搞Cisco和微软的Server，越来越觉得没意思，真没有编程有趣
20:52 < joncin> 所以现在想搞Linux了。
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20:56 -!- Irssi: #fedora-cn: Total of 35 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 10 voices, 24 normal] 
20:57 <+gcell> joncin: 我都不记得自己是哪一年自学的C了，后来荒废了，如今装了Linux，我又蠢蠢欲动了
20:57 <+gcell> 嘿嘿
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21:10 <+hers> * Fri Jan 04 2008 Sarantis Paskalis <paskalis@di.uoa.gr> - 0.5-9
21:10 <+hers> - Drop -fonts requires.
21:10 <+hers> * Tue Aug 29 2006 Sarantis Paskalis <paskalis@di.uoa.gr> - 0.5-8
21:10 <+hers> - Bump release for FC6 rebuild.
21:10 <+hers> * Mon Feb 20 2006 Sarantis Paskalis <paskalis@di.uoa.gr> - 0.5-6
21:10 <+hers> - Rebuild for FC5.
21:10 <+hers> tetex-font-cm-lgc-0.5-9.fc9.noarch.rpm
21:10 <+hers> 时间过得真快
21:10 <+hers> (偶然看到的 rawhide 编译记录)
21:11 < joncin> Shell编程是不是就是C阿？
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21:28 <+gcell> 看来今天的聚会又要无疾而终了
21:30 <+hers> Hiahia
21:31 <+hers> 没啥大不了的，聚会没事最好
21:31 <+hellwolf> 我回来了
21:31 <+hellwolf> gmail怎么发不出去邮件
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21:33 <+gcell> hellwolf: 是不是把＠打成全角符号了？呵呵
21:33 <+hellwolf> 不是，是SMTP发邮件时说我附件illegal
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21:34 <+gcell> 哦
21:35 <+hellwolf> 怎么可以这样呢
21:36 <+gcell> google也有感冒的时候啊
21:46 < shpchp> /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive 这个文件是如何产生的？
21:47 < shpchp> localedef 产生的？
21:47 < shpchp> 那如何让系统只支持少量的 locale?     locale-archive 这个文件太大了 ... :(
21:50 <+hellwolf>  rpm -q glibc-common --scripts
21:50 <+hellwolf> postinstall program: /usr/sbin/build-locale-archive
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21:53 < shpchp> 如何让 fedora 只支持几个少量的 locale 呢?
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21:56 < shpchp> 目前 locale -a 列出了所有的 locale ... 90% 都是不会用到的
22:01 < shpchp> fedora 好像不支持 /etc/locale.gen
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22:22 < shpchp> 大家都来研究研究啊: http://www.linuxsir.org/bbs/showthread.php?p=1803225
22:24 <+hers> shpchp~ locale.gen 容易出错，而 disk is cheap
22:25 <+hers> shpchp~ build your own glibc 啦啦啦
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22:28 < shpchp> hers, 虽然 disk is cheap, 但毛老人家告诉我们: 浪费是一种极大的犯罪!
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22:28 <+liuhongdan> 民间评选的年度十大新闻 http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/4713
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22:42 <+hers> shpchp~ redhat 去年有个实验项目，是个超快超小的 rpm + yum，叫什么忘了
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22:46 < shpchp> 看来只有自己编译 glibc 了？ :(
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22:48 < shpchp> 难以相信没有其他办法删除无用的 locale ...
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22:51 <+hellwolf> 当然有办法，不就是glibc么，又不是 fedora 牌的
22:53 < wolook> 我又来了~请教下国内那个论坛讨论fedora最火呢？
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22:55 < shpchp> hellwolf, 什么办法？
22:56 <+gcell> shpchp: 删除无用的locale是不是会快点？
22:57 < shpchp> gcell, 目标是让系统不用 swap ... 当然会快不少
22:57 <+hers> shpchp~ 用 LC_ALL=C yum 运行一把呢
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22:58 <+hers> 觉得那种东西既然是 glibc 的，那么一定是所有程序共享，而不是 yum 自己用
22:58 <+hers> shpchp~ 你算到 yum 头上就不对了
22:59 < shpchp> 我先查查其他程序的内存镜像......
23:00 < shpchp> ......
23:00 < shpchp> 看来跟 locale-archive 无关 ......
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23:01 < shpchp> 其他程序(例如xchat)的内存镜像也有locale-archive, 但 RES 只有 41m
23:02 < shpchp> 看来还没有找到 yum 占用内存的原因
23:02 < wolook> 我想请教下yum到底是什么东西呀
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23:03 < liuhongdan_> google yum是什么yum = Yellow dog Updater, Modified 主要功能是更方便的添加/删除/更新RPM包. 它能自动解决包的倚赖性问题. 它能便于管理大量系统的更新问题
23:04 < shpchp> yum 的 RES 有 154m ... 天
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23:05 < wolook> RPM是什么?
23:09 < liuhongdan_> ...
23:10 < shpchp> RPM ＝ 软盘慢
23:12 < xHellwolf> 庆幸，windows还没死机
23:12 < shpchp> YuM = 郁闷
23:12 < xHellwolf> 昨天难道是偶然离奇悬案了
23:13 < liuhongdan_>  RPM=人品M...
23:14 < liuhongdan_> 激情,激情
23:14 < liuhongdan_> 没有了
23:16 < liuhongdan_> MD,钥匙突然打不开门了,今天差点自己锁在屋子里
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00:36 <+keimoto> 貓兒下午剛送了我一份新年禮物：一隻剛被咬破喉嚨在抽搐吐血的鳥！
00:38 <+gcell> 涉嫌捕杀保护动物被请去喝茶
01:09 < jhwhb1> 有人会法语么？que dieu vous benisse 是什么意思啊？
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01:17 <+keimoto> gcell, cat did that
01:18 <+gcell> keimoto：you let it
01:18 <+keimoto> http://keimoto.net/blog/2008/01/05/%e6%88%91%e7%9a%84%e6%96%b0%e5%b9%b4%e7%a6%ae%e7%89%a9/
01:18 <+gcell> keimoto：呵呵
01:18 <+keimoto> gcell, 屋外的貓自己抓的。
01:19 <+keimoto> 狡獵機器
01:19 <+keimoto> 狩
01:20 <+keimoto> 灰毛的，大概是幼鴉
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