ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-mar-24

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-03-24

IRC Transcript

f13	has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call	13:01
f13	ping: notting jeremy spot jwb warren lmacken wwoods poelcat rdieter	13:01
* jeremy waves		13:01
jwb	i'm here-ish	13:02
* notting is here		13:02
f13	just a sec, flipping networks	13:03
f13	whoh that's odd	13:03
* lmacken is hereish		13:03
f13	going from wired + vpn to wireless + vpn happened quick enough that my ssh terminals through the vpn didn't die.	13:03
jwb	that happens a lot for me	13:04
f13	usually I go from wired no vpn to wireless + vpn	13:04
* f13 gives folks another couple minutes		13:06
f13	welp	13:07
f13	has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Engineering - Beta Status	13:08
f13	Beta was cut, and made available to mirrors.	13:08
jwb	with surprising jigdo files	13:08
f13	mirrors are picking it up, I don't have an estimate yet on how many have them, but many do	13:08
f13	yes, we're offering jigdo as an alternative download method for the beta, we'll see how that goes and may continue doing so for releases.	13:09
f13	We also unfroze rawhide Thursday night	13:09
jwb	do we have metrics in place to track how often it's used?	13:09
jwb	jigdo that is	13:09
* warren here		13:09
f13	thankfully rawhide has been installable every day since	13:09
lmacken	with some exceptions (ntfs resizing)	13:09
f13	jwb: all the links to jigdo files will go through mirror manager so theoretically we can capture that info	13:09
warren	f13, that only works if you happen to get the same vpn address	13:09
warren	f13, which is entirely by chance	13:10
f13	lmacken: yeah, mostly there have been images available which is good.	13:10
* spot is here		13:10
* wwoods hereish		13:10
f13	I'm meeting with mmcgrath later this afternoon to ensure we have a web target to point to from the release announcement, and perhaps static release notes	13:10
f13	as well as ensuring info about jigdo makes it somewhere	13:10
f13	tomorrow I'll flip the bit on the master server at 1345 UTC and mirrors will pick it up shortly after that	13:11
f13	oh I'll be uploading isos to torrent today too, which I seemingly completely forgot about :/	13:11
stickster	f13: quaid has been setting up the beta relnotes static page this a.m.	13:11
jwb	cool	13:12
f13	goot goot	13:12
f13	post-beta we need to keep an eye on the stability of things, as we'd like tomake a decision near the end of this week regarding slipping the final schedule to take into account earlier slips	13:13
f13	personally I'd rather not slip, but a lot of that is selfish personal reasons	13:13
f13	anything else on Beta before I move on to post-beta topics?	13:13
jwb	did people think beta went smoother than alpha?	13:14
f13	oh I'm tracking at a high level what I'm doing to "release" beta in a tomboy note, that will make it into an SOC of sorts	13:14
f13	staging the beta was far smoother for me	13:14
jwb	the quality seems greatly improved from alpha as well.  it's almost as if we're making progress or something	13:15
f13	right	13:15
f13	I like the new qa page for testing stuff, I think we covered a better amount of ground, and jds2001 really helped out this time too	13:16
f13	ok	13:17
13:17--- f13 has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Engineering - Post-Beta
f13	the biggest thing looming post-beta is the ability to pre-branch for F-9	13:18
f13	I just found a tomboy note from when we did the mass-branch, which made use of pkgdb and such.  I'm reviwing it and poking at hte current state of things to figure out what knobs we need to twist to make branching a possiblity.  I at least need to prepare the collections in koji	13:18
f13	I'll send a report about it out later this afternoon	13:19
wwoods	yeah, much love to jds2001 for helping with installer testing	13:19
wwoods	we're getting the efforts and plans organized enough that other people can help. amazing!	13:19
f13	The other looming thing is we're supposed to deliver a rawhide snapshot release this Friday	13:19
BobJensen	jds2001 is awesome	13:19
notting	f13: first time we've tried that, yes?	13:20
f13	yes	13:20
notting	what's it involve? isos? torrent only? a tree? etc.	13:20
f13	the snapshots have been a vague schedule item without much details as to what they will be and how they will be delivered	13:20
wwoods	IIRC it involves putting isos on a torrent	13:20
f13	so we have some room to define that ourselves.	13:20
notting	also, when do we get betas of live isos?	13:20
wwoods	rawhide's the tree	13:20
f13	now that we have stage2 in rawhide every day in the from of boot.iso, I'm not so sure a full tree for snapshot makes a ton of sense, whereas live images really do still	13:21
f13	notting: 'betas of live isos'?  Those were made and are in the tree with the rest of the beta content	13:21
wwoods	I fetched some beta liveCD images off jeremy's machine last week; dunno if they've been synched to RDU anywhere	13:21
stickster	jds2001++	13:21
notting	f13: for non desktop/kde. or is that up to the spin maintainers?	13:22
f13	notting: up to the spin maker I suppose	13:22
f13	how to handle those spins has also been rather... vague.	13:23
jeremy	notting: I'm somewhat holding off based on the discussion about how we decide what to release also.  and FEL isn't going to have a release this time around	13:23
wwoods	There isn't a Beta dir in /mnt/redhat/released/F-9 yet, so.. dunno if it's in RDU yet	13:23
f13	wwoods: I'm rsyncing to that right now.	13:23
wwoods	hot.	13:23
jwb	odd that my mirror has it before you do	13:23
f13	jwb: /mnt/redhat/releases is mostly an afterthought for longterm storage	13:23
jwb	ah	13:24
f13	jwb: the rdu "mirror" has it, but it's restricted access	13:24
f13	so I can do "choose your own adventure" isos, as well as Live isos for the snapshot.	13:25
f13	the problem is, if I do isos, I'm going to have to do source isos too (really we should for the live images too, but we aren't...)	13:25
f13	it means more sync time and bits that will sit there without being used much, but *shrug*	13:26
f13	I was thinking we just start on Friday with Friday's rawhide content, get it composed, uploaded to torrent and turn the torrent on as soon as all the bits are in place.  That'll probably be late afternoon on Friday, any objections?	13:26
f13	I would also suggest we keep only one snapshot active on the torrent, remove the previous one when putting up the next one	13:27
jeremy	if we do fridays, then if we miss, it's monday	13:27
f13	jeremy: so Thursdays?	13:27
jeremy	yeah, that's what I was thinking	13:27
notting	are these going to be 'snapshot, you get all pieces', or are we doing verification?	13:28
jeremy	well, I had thought wednesdays at one point, but I talked myself out of it ;)	13:28
f13	notting: I think it's mostly you get all the pieces	13:28
f13	I'll do some verification as I make the images, but I don't want to get into beating ourselves up on having beta++ quality images each week	13:28
notting	are we jigdoing the snapshots as well?	13:30
f13	notting: I thought about that, but not sure it'll help.	13:30
wwoods	the snapshots should get some very basic smoketests but they won't get the full suite	13:30
jeremy	given how quickly packages churn in rawhide, ... yeah, not sure jigdo would help	13:30
wwoods	in theory they should get through the tier1 tests in the install test plan	13:30
f13	notting: we'd have to have the isos available by http then, and you'd lose some because rawhide will move on and we weren't going to have an exploaded tree anywhere.	13:30
wwoods	but in theory tier1 is supposed to be completely automated	13:31
notting	tre	13:31
notting	f13: true	13:31
f13	although, if mirrors were ok with us abusing them a bit more for snapshots, we could drop them on the phx netapp	13:31
f13	since we have control now	13:31
warren	muwhahhaha	13:31
* jeremy thinks torrent only and reduce the number of moving pieces		13:32
f13	but maybe we should wait and see what kind of uptake we see on torrents and how useful they are	13:32
f13	yeah, less moving parts better	13:32
f13	so lets try to get in touch with eachother on Thursday to cover our snapshot bases.	13:33
f13	jwb: I'll still push the buttons for ppc isos and put them up too, but I'm not really going to do much verification of them.  I'll be looking to you and your team for that	13:34
f13	one last thing on post-beta, again for selfish reasons, if I could get some extra eyes/effort on findign and fixing broken deps and such that would be awesome.  I'd like to keep the tree in a sane state going forward	13:36
f13	I'm going to hook up that cron job to just repoclosure the static-repos hourly so that we get up to the hour info on whats broken	13:36
f13	it won't be hooked into FAS2 or anything like that for assigning blame but it will be informative.	13:36
f13	anything else on Post-Beta before we move on?	13:37
warren	uh, wouldn't jigdo be PERFECT for snapshots?	13:37
warren	unless you're talking snapshots of live	13:37
f13	warren: jigdo needs the files available on http mirrors, which teh files will get shuffled out due to rawhide moving on	13:38
jeremy	warren: only if you grab it with that specific day's rawhide	13:38
jeremy	warren: tomorrow, the kernel at least is gone.  and probably ooo. :)	13:38
warren	hmm	13:38
f13	warren: it also needs the material on http for filling in the missing bits, and they won't be available via http, just torrent.	13:38
f13	a combo of jigdo + torrent would be interesting	13:38
13:39--- f13 has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Engineering - releng1 changes
f13	Now that beta is out, we're (I and the infrastructure team) will be transitioning releng1 over to RHEL5	13:40
f13	this well have effect upon bodhi and rawhide creation	13:40
f13	but at the same time we'll be making some improvements to rawhide creation to hopefully make it a little less hacky and a bit more stable	13:40
f13	and start using some of the cool tools that skvidal has written for us like repodiff	13:40
f13	I don't have an exact date for this, but it'll be soon, but won't conflict with anything we're trying to do for the tree/snapshots/whatever.	13:41
f13	any thoughts/concerns here?	13:42
jeremy	nope	13:42
f13	cool.	13:42
13:42--- f13 has changed the topic to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor
notting	f13: is it 'transitioning releng1 to rhel5', or 'transitioning releng1 to releng2, which happens to be rhel5'?	13:42
lmacken	1->2	13:43
f13	notting: I'm not sure how mmcgrath wants to handle that.  We'll use releng2 to verify things for the move.	13:43
f13	but he did some things for my releng1 disk space, not sure how the act of releng2 becomes the new releng1 will happen	13:43
f13	I doubt it'll be an anaconda upgrade of releng1 though (:	13:43
lmacken	ideally we'll have multiple bodhi instances on the app servers, and it will kick off mashes on releng2	13:44
f13	cool	13:44
f13	anything else?	13:48
f13	alright, Ill end the meeting and get working on torrents and cvs.	13:50

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