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| colspan="2" | --- | poelcat has changed the topic to: Bug Triage Meeting
| colspan="2" | --- poelcat has changed the topic to: Bug Triage Meeting
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|- id="tApr 21 11:01:08"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:01:08<    poelcat> | hi everyone, who is here?
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | hi everyone, who is here?
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|- id="tApr 21 11:02:42"
|- id="tApr 21 11:02:42"
| colspan="2" | * | thomasj part
| colspan="2" | * thomasj part
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| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:02:47<        arxs> | here
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
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| style="color: #42427e" | here
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:02:48<      adamw> | hiya
|| [[#tApr 21 11:02:47|Apr 21 11:02]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:02:48"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:04:07<    poelcat> | adamw: have you seen mcepl or tk009?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | hiya
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:04:22<      adamw> | i woke up approximately 10 seconds ago :)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:02:48|Apr 21 11:02]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:04:07"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:05:48<    poelcat> | adamw: should we cancel the meeting?
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: have you seen mcepl or tk009?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:06:47<      adamw> | um
|| [[#tApr 21 11:04:07|Apr 21 11:04]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:04:22"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:06:58<      adamw> | anyone have anything they think we can usefully talk about with this group?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | i woke up approximately 10 seconds ago :)
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:07:13<      iarlyy> | hi all, sorry for delay
|| [[#tApr 21 11:04:22|Apr 21 11:04]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:05:48"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:07:18<      adamw> | hi iarlyy
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | adamw: should we cancel the meeting?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:08:05<      iarlyy> | adamw: what are we talking about?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:05:48|Apr 21 11:05]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:06:47"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:08:11<      adamw> | nothing yet
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | um
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:08:14<      adamw> | not much turnout
|| [[#tApr 21 11:06:47|Apr 21 11:06]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:06:58"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:08:46<      adamw> | let's see, we could still do the status reports
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | anyone have anything they think we can usefully talk about with this group?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:08:55<      adamw> | poelcat: that's your bailliwick I believe
|| [[#tApr 21 11:06:58|Apr 21 11:06]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:07:13"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:02<    poelcat> | okay, i'll go through the agenda
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
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| style="color: #854685" | hi all, sorry for delay
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:05<    poelcat> | it may be quick
|| [[#tApr 21 11:07:13|Apr 21 11:07]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:07:18"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:13<    poelcat> | i created the SOP page (just now :-/)
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | hi iarlyy
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:17<    poelcat> | need to add the links
|| [[#tApr 21 11:07:18|Apr 21 11:07]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:08:05"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:22<    poelcat> | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/sop
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
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| style="color: #854685" | adamw: what are we talking about?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:09:58<    poelcat> | once I add the link I think that will address agenda item #2
|| [[#tApr 21 11:08:05|Apr 21 11:08]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:08:11"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:10:10<      adamw> | OK
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" |  nothing yet
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:10:13<      adamw> | thanks for that
|| [[#tApr 21 11:08:11|Apr 21 11:08]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:08:14"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:10:14<    poelcat> | unless there was something else that needed to happen
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | not much turnout
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:10:38<      adamw> | i don't see anything...well, link the sop page from wherever it needs to be linked in the rest of the wiki
|| [[#tApr 21 11:08:14|Apr 21 11:08]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:08:46"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:11:09<    poelcat> | adamw: add a link to the bugzappers front page?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | let's see, we could still do the status reports
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:12:00<      iarlyy> | I fixed typo "bugzialla"
|| [[#tApr 21 11:08:46|Apr 21 11:08]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:08:55"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:12<    poelcat> | iarlyy: thanks :)
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: that's your bailliwick I believe
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:19<    poelcat> | next topic was metrics collection
|| [[#tApr 21 11:08:55|Apr 21 11:08]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:02"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:40<      adamw> | yeah
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | okay, i'll go through the agenda
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:44<    poelcat> | comphappy is still trying to get the server setup
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:02|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:05"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:53<    poelcat> | that is all I know
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" |  it may be quick
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:56<    poelcat> | anyone else?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:05|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:13"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:56<      adamw> | comphappy can't be here but he says the problem is he has to port the code to python 2.4 to run on fedora infrastructure
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | i created the SOP page (just now :-/)
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:13:59<      adamw> | which seems kind of bizarre
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:13|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:17"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:14:14<      adamw> | i'll try and get in touch with him to get the whole story on that and see if there's anything we can do about it
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | need to add the links
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:14:21<    poelcat> | adamw: thanks
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:17|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:22"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:14:50<  comphappy> | Not really here but I will fill in a little
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/sop
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:15:12<      adamw> | ah hi comphappy, thanks
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:22|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:09:58"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:15:24<  comphappy> | I wrote the code for python 2.5
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" |  once I add the link I think that will address agenda item #2
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:16:25<  comphappy> | But fedora infra is using stuff from them and that is 2.4
|| [[#tApr 21 11:09:58|Apr 21 11:09]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:10:10"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:16:50<  comphappy> | Make that rhel phone is hard to type from
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  OK
|| [[#tApr 21 11:10:10|Apr 21 11:10]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:10:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  thanks for that
|| [[#tApr 21 11:10:13|Apr 21 11:10]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:10:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  unless there was something else that needed to happen
|| [[#tApr 21 11:10:14|Apr 21 11:10]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:10:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  i don't see anything...well, link the sop page from wherever it needs to be linked in the rest of the wiki
|| [[#tApr 21 11:10:38|Apr 21 11:10]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:11:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  adamw: add a link to the bugzappers front page?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:11:09|Apr 21 11:11]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:12:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
| style="color: #854685" |  I fixed typo "bugzialla"
|| [[#tApr 21 11:12:00|Apr 21 11:12]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  iarlyy: thanks :)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:12|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  next topic was metrics collection
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:19|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:40"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  yeah
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:40|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  comphappy is still trying to get the server setup
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:44|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  that is all I know
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:53|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  anyone else?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:56|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  comphappy can't be here but he says the problem is he has to port the code to python 2.4 to run on fedora infrastructure
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:56|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:13:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  which seems kind of bizarre
|| [[#tApr 21 11:13:59|Apr 21 11:13]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:14:14"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  i'll try and get in touch with him to get the whole story on that and see if there's anything we can do about it
|| [[#tApr 21 11:14:14|Apr 21 11:14]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:14:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  adamw: thanks
|| [[#tApr 21 11:14:21|Apr 21 11:14]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:14:50"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" |  Not really here but I will fill in a little
|| [[#tApr 21 11:14:50|Apr 21 11:14]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:15:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  ah hi comphappy, thanks
|| [[#tApr 21 11:15:12|Apr 21 11:15]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:15:24"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" |  I wrote the code for python 2.5
|| [[#tApr 21 11:15:24|Apr 21 11:15]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:16:25"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" |  But fedora infra is using stuff from them and that is 2.4
|| [[#tApr 21 11:16:25|Apr 21 11:16]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:16:50"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" |  Make that rhel phone is hard to type from
|| [[#tApr 21 11:16:50|Apr 21 11:16]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:17:21"
|- id="tApr 21 11:17:21"
| colspan="2" | * | iarlyy crying because lost a hd.... :(
| colspan="2" | * iarlyy crying because lost a hd.... :(
|| [[#tApr 21 11:17:21|Apr 21 11:17]]
|| [[#tApr 21 11:17:21|Apr 21 11:17]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:17:27"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:17:27<  comphappy> | I use a bunch of dict tools that were added ti 2.5
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
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| style="color: #488888" | I use a bunch of dict tools that were added ti 2.5
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:11<      adamw> | seems odd that rhel would still be on python 2.4
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:11"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:24<  comphappy> | I have meetings all week but iwill fill adamw in this weekend
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | seems odd that rhel would still be on python 2.4
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:33<      adamw> | is there a mailing list thread about this or anything, or did you just ask in irc?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:11|Apr 21 11:18]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:24"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:49<      mcepl> | pip
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
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| style="color: #488888" | I have meetings all week but iwill fill adamw in this weekend
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:55<      mcepl> | sorry for being late
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:24|Apr 21 11:18]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:33"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:18:56<  comphappy> | Irc fedora-admin
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | is there a mailing list thread about this or anything, or did you just ask in irc?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:15<      iarlyy> | hi mcepl
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:33|Apr 21 11:18]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:49"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:26<      adamw> | comphappy: ok, thanks a lot - i'll catch up with you this weekend
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
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| style="color: #8c4a4a" | pip
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:31<      adamw> | mcepl: hiya
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:49|Apr 21 11:18]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:55"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:33<  comphappy> | But I have toget back to my job meting now
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
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| style="color: #8c4a4a" | sorry for being late
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:39<      mcepl> | what did I miss
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:55|Apr 21 11:18]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:18:56"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:19:41<      adamw> | comphappy: go with our blessings ;)
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | Irc fedora-admin
|| [[#tApr 21 11:18:56|Apr 21 11:18]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:15"
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
| style="color: #854685" | hi mcepl
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:15|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | comphappy: ok, thanks a lot - i'll catch up with you this weekend
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:26|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | mcepl: hiya
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:31|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | comphappy
| style="color: #488888" | But I have toget back to my job meting now
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:33|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:39"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | what did I miss
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:39|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | comphappy: go with our blessings ;)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:41|Apr 21 11:19]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:42"
|- id="tApr 21 11:19:42"
| colspan="2" | * | John5342 arrives late
| colspan="2" | * John5342 arrives late
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:42|Apr 21 11:19]]
|| [[#tApr 21 11:19:42|Apr 21 11:19]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:07"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:07<      adamw> | mcepl: not so much - poelcat's on top of the sop pages, comphappy reported on a roadblock with the metrics stuff
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | mcepl: not so much - poelcat's on top of the sop pages, comphappy reported on a roadblock with the metrics stuff
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:18<      mcepl> | auch
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:07|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:18"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:25<      adamw> | he wrote it in python 2.5 and apparently infrastructure only has python 2.4
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | auch
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:33<      adamw> | which seems a bit odd, so i'll do some investigatin'
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:18|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:25"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:37<      adamw> | you know anything about that?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" |  he wrote it in python 2.5 and apparently infrastructure only has python 2.4
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:20:59<      adamw> | wb poelcat
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:25|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:33"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:21:10<    poelcat> | thanks, not sure what happened
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" |  which seems a bit odd, so i'll do some investigatin'
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:21:17<    poelcat> | lost my whole screen session and everything
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:33|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:37"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:21:33<      mcepl> | adamw: hmm, if infrastructure runs on RHEL5 (which seems reasonable), then I guess we are limited to 2.4
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | you know anything about that?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:21:57<      adamw> | yeah, he said it runs on RHEL
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:37|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:20:59"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:22:06<      adamw> | i didn't know the latest rhel was still stuck in the python stone age :\ bummer
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" | wb poelcat
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:22:31<      mcepl> | remember, RHEL5 is Fedora 6
|| [[#tApr 21 11:20:59|Apr 21 11:20]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:21:10"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:23:12<      mcepl> | F7 was python 2.5 I believe
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" | thanks, not sure what happened
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:23:17<      adamw> | ok, so we'll have to see what we can come up with there
|| [[#tApr 21 11:21:10|Apr 21 11:21]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:21:17"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:23:42<      adamw> | poelcat: next on the agenda?
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
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| style="color: #407a40" |  lost my whole screen session and everything
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:23:52<    poelcat> | yes
|| [[#tApr 21 11:21:17|Apr 21 11:21]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:21:33"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:24:08<    poelcat> | next topic was blocker bug discussion
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
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| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  adamw: hmm, if infrastructure runs on RHEL5 (which seems reasonable), then I guess we are limited to 2.4
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:24:24<    poelcat> | which i think tied into the conversation QA was having
|| [[#tApr 21 11:21:33|Apr 21 11:21]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:21:57"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:24:31<    poelcat> | about release critiera?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" |  yeah, he said it runs on RHEL
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:25:58<      adamw> | yeah
|| [[#tApr 21 11:21:57|Apr 21 11:21]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:22:06"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:26:36<    poelcat> | any updates?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
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| style="color: #818144" |  i didn't know the latest rhel was still stuck in the python stone age :\ bummer
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:26:43<      adamw> | er, i haven't exactly been thinking along those lines this week, so i'm a bit blank on that right now
|| [[#tApr 21 11:22:06|Apr 21 11:22]]
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|- id="tApr 21 11:22:31"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:27:00<    poelcat> | okay
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  remember, RHEL5 is Fedora 6
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:27:03<      adamw> | has anyone else got any thoughts there?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:22:31|Apr 21 11:22]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:23:12"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:27:10<      rishi> | I got one issue.
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  F7 was python 2.5 I believe
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:28:16<      adamw> | yup?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:23:12|Apr 21 11:23]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:23:17"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:28:26<      rishi> | Ville Skytta had posted a list of packages with broken -debuginfos. I have been filling "high" priority bugs with fixes for them. Are there any plans regarding them?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | ok, so we'll have to see what we can come up with there
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:28:47<      rishi> | Most of them are broken for F-9 to F-12.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:23:17|Apr 21 11:23]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:23:42"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:28:59<      adamw> | plans, as in...?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | poelcat: next on the agenda?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:29:08<      adamw> | fixing the bugs is kinda outside our scope, heh
|| [[#tApr 21 11:23:42|Apr 21 11:23]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:23:52"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:29:21<      rishi> | adamw: How important are they for the release, etc..
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | yes
|| [[#tApr 21 11:23:52|Apr 21 11:23]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:24:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  next topic was blocker bug discussion
|| [[#tApr 21 11:24:08|Apr 21 11:24]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:24:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  which i think tied into the conversation QA was having
|| [[#tApr 21 11:24:24|Apr 21 11:24]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:24:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | about release critiera?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:24:31|Apr 21 11:24]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:25:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah
|| [[#tApr 21 11:25:58|Apr 21 11:25]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:26:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | any updates?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:26:36|Apr 21 11:26]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:26:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | er, i haven't exactly been thinking along those lines this week, so i'm a bit blank on that right now
|| [[#tApr 21 11:26:43|Apr 21 11:26]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:27:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" | okay
|| [[#tApr 21 11:27:00|Apr 21 11:27]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:27:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | has anyone else got any thoughts there?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:27:03|Apr 21 11:27]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:27:10"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
| style="color: #4b904b" | I got one issue.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:27:10|Apr 21 11:27]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:28:16"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yup?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:28:16|Apr 21 11:28]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:28:26"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
| style="color: #4b904b" | Ville Skytta had posted a list of packages with broken -debuginfos. I have been filling "high" priority bugs with fixes for them. Are there any plans regarding them?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:28:26|Apr 21 11:28]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:28:47"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
| style="color: #4b904b" | Most of them are broken for F-9 to F-12.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:28:47|Apr 21 11:28]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:28:59"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | plans, as in...?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:28:59|Apr 21 11:28]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:29:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | fixing the bugs is kinda outside our scope, heh
|| [[#tApr 21 11:29:08|Apr 21 11:29]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:29:21"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: How important are they for the release, etc..
|| [[#tApr 21 11:29:21|Apr 21 11:29]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:30:06"
|- id="tApr 21 11:30:06"
| colspan="2" | * | poelcat doubts we would hold up a release for debuginfo packages
| colspan="2" | * poelcat doubts we would hold up a release for debuginfo packages
|| [[#tApr 21 11:30:06|Apr 21 11:30]]
|| [[#tApr 21 11:30:06|Apr 21 11:30]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:30:55"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:30:55<    John5342> | debuginfo packages help debugging issues but should not effect end user experience so doubt they are worth holding up release for
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | John5342
|-
| style="color: #4d4d93" |  debuginfo packages help debugging issues but should not effect end user experience so doubt they are worth holding up release for
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:31:25<      rishi> | Since most of the fixes are trivial, can some provenpackager go through the bugs and commit the fixes?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:30:55|Apr 21 11:30]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:25"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
| style="color: #4b904b" |  Since most of the fixes are trivial, can some provenpackager go through the bugs and commit the fixes?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:25|Apr 21 11:31]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:33"
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:33"
| colspan="2" | * | rishi is not a provenpackager
| colspan="2" | * rishi is not a provenpackager
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:33|Apr 21 11:31]]
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:33|Apr 21 11:31]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:37"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:31:37<      adamw> | and they have no particular impact on the Installation Experience
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | and they have no particular impact on the Installation Experience
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:31:43<      adamw> | so post-release updates is fine
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:37|Apr 21 11:31]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:43"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:31:52<      adamw> | rishi: possibly, but that'd be outside our scope
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | so post-release updates is fine
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:01<      rishi> | adamw: Ok.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:43|Apr 21 11:31]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:31:52"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:09<      adamw> | rishi: bugzappers is for weeding bugzilla; when it comes to that kind of thing, you'd need a different group
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | rishi: possibly, but that'd be outside our scope
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:26<      rishi> | adamw: Who? :-) fedora-qa?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:31:52|Apr 21 11:31]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:01"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:42<      adamw> | no, both qa and bugzappers are responsible for identifying and tracking bugs, not fixing them :)
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
|-
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: Ok.
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:51<      adamw> | i don't know where's the best place to request something like that, actually
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:01|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:09"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:32:59<      adamw> | mcepl? poelcat? what would you say?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | rishi: bugzappers is for weeding bugzilla; when it comes to that kind of thing, you'd need a different group
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:33:23<      mcepl> | rishi: where is the list
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:09|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:26"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:33:27<      mcepl> | ?
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
|-
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: Who? :-) fedora-qa?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:33:40<      mcepl> | is there any tracking bug for them?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:26|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:42"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:34:04<    poelcat> | seems like a fedora-devel topic to me
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | no, both qa and bugzappers are responsible for identifying and tracking bugs, not fixing them :)
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:34:06<      iarlyy> | isn't devel role?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:42|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:51"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:34:17<      rishi> | mcepl: A thread on fedora-devel-list.
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | i don't know where's the best place to request something like that, actually
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:34:21<      mcepl> | make a bug for each package, and tracking bug for all of them and then maybe some provenpackager (like me ;-)) will go through them.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:51|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:32:59"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:34:30<      mcepl> | OK, I will take a look
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" |  mcepl? poelcat? what would you say?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:35:12<    poelcat> | next topic
|| [[#tApr 21 11:32:59|Apr 21 11:32]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:33:23"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:35:13<    poelcat> | 5)  Wiki Revisions - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Beland/Bugzilla_Legend>  - revising the draft list of priority / severity criteria.
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | rishi: where is the list
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:35:33<    poelcat> | i think we are done with the first page?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:33:23|Apr 21 11:33]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:33:27"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:35:48<    poelcat> | the second one depends on the proposal adamw has been getting feedback on
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | ?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:35:53<    poelcat> | anything to discuss today?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:33:27|Apr 21 11:33]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:33:40"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:36:04<      adamw> | well, rather the proposal depends on the page
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | is there any tracking bug for them?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:36:18<      adamw> | we'll be linking to this page in the proposal
|| [[#tApr 21 11:33:40|Apr 21 11:33]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:34:04"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:36:22<      adamw> | so we want it to be reasonably solid
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | seems like a fedora-devel topic to me
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:36:44<      adamw> | in particular, jlaska noticed it had some subjective bits
|| [[#tApr 21 11:34:04|Apr 21 11:34]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:34:06"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:37:04<      adamw> | and the "Severity is used to describe how bad a bug is for the reporter" doesn't match up with the recent discussion on test-list
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
|-
| style="color: #854685" | isn't devel role?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:37:51<      adamw> | looking at it again, i'd want to tweak that, and the "producing major frustration" line under High
|| [[#tApr 21 11:34:06|Apr 21 11:34]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:34:17"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:37:55<      adamw> | aside from that it looks ok
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | rishi
|-
| style="color: #4b904b" |  mcepl: A thread on fedora-devel-list.
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:39:49<    poelcat> | makes sense to me
|| [[#tApr 21 11:34:17|Apr 21 11:34]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:34:21"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:40:06<        arxs> | think we should change it like jlaska wrote it
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | make a bug for each package, and tracking bug for all of them and then maybe some provenpackager (like me ;-)) will go through them.
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:40:23<      adamw> | ok, great - i guess i'll go ahead and revise it along those lines today
|| [[#tApr 21 11:34:21|Apr 21 11:34]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:34:30"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:40:49<      adamw> | on that whole topic, btw, i was going to send the mail out to -devel yesterday or today but now i'm waiting on a technical query with the bugzilla maintainer
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
|-
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | OK, I will take a look
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:40:58<      adamw> | (on whether it's actually possible to block access to priority / severity)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:34:30|Apr 21 11:34]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:35:12"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:41:06<      adamw> | so that's the status there
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | next topic
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:41:57<        arxs> | is that an option for you to block the prio/serv fields?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:35:12|Apr 21 11:35]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:35:13"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:42:18<      adamw> | that's the question - whether we can block access to those fields to all except maintainers / zappers
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | 5)  Wiki Revisions - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage  <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Beland/Bugzilla_Legend> - revising the draft list of priority / severity criteria.
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:42:18<        arxs> | or to hide it from the reporter?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:35:13|Apr 21 11:35]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:35:33"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:42:28<      adamw> | well, both, but the first is most important
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | i think we are done with the first page?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:44:10<       adamw> | the second is mostly useful to prevent people being annoyed about the first =)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:35:33|Apr 21 11:35]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:35:48"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:44:47<        arxs> | that's right :)
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | the second one depends on the proposal adamw has been getting feedback on
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:45:11<      mcepl> | adamw: I just wrote extensive comment on the test list about severity
|| [[#tApr 21 11:35:48|Apr 21 11:35]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:35:53"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:45:32<      adamw> | i didn't read that yet :\
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" |  anything to discuss today?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:45:33<        arxs> | uh? i must missed it
|| [[#tApr 21 11:35:53|Apr 21 11:35]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:36:04"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:45:59<      mcepl> | adamw: I just sent it (just a notice, that I expect continuous flamewar on replies to what I wrote)
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | well, rather the proposal depends on the page
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:46:22<      adamw> | oh good, life was getting a bit dull around here
|| [[#tApr 21 11:36:04|Apr 21 11:36]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:36:18"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:46:33<      adamw> | i shall warm up the flamethrower
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" |  we'll be linking to this page in the proposal
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:46:37<      mcepl> | (my experience as SAP's lawyer come to play here; I know a little bit about severity)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:36:18|Apr 21 11:36]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:36:22"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:47:42<      mcepl> | and yes, it should be open only to maintainers/bugzappers, or maybe reporter should have it available on the bug reporting initial form, but that's the last time they see it.
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | so we want it to be reasonably solid
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:47:54<      mcepl> | s/see/can touch/
|| [[#tApr 21 11:36:22|Apr 21 11:36]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:36:44"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:13<        arxs> | sounds good, what's about the voting option?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | in particular, jlaska noticed it had some subjective bits
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:42<      adamw> | i don't think we need to worry about it too much at this point - we can leave it there, it doesn't hurt anything
|| [[#tApr 21 11:36:44|Apr 21 11:36]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:37:04"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:44<        arxs> | to give the "users" or reports a change to show up there interest?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | and the "Severity is used to describe how bad a bug is for the reporter" doesn't match up with the recent discussion on test-list
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:46<      adamw> | we can think about what to do with the data
|| [[#tApr 21 11:37:04|Apr 21 11:37]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:37:51"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:47<      mcepl> | voting is nice but just as a reminder ... it should never be automatically translated into changes of severity/priority
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | looking at it again, i'd want to tweak that, and the "producing major frustration" line under High
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:48:49<      adamw> | if anyone has any ideas
|| [[#tApr 21 11:37:51|Apr 21 11:37]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:37:55"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:49:21<        arxs> | :mcepl, i fully agree you
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | aside from that it looks ok
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:49:28<      mcepl> | if there is a low/low bug with 2000 votes, then we should reconsider, but that's it
|| [[#tApr 21 11:37:55|Apr 21 11:37]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:39:49"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:49:51<        arxs> | :mcpel right, i think the same about
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
|-
| style="color: #407a40" | makes sense to me
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:50:53<      mcepl> | (we or maintainers, of course)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:39:49|Apr 21 11:39]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:40:06"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:52:12<      mcepl> | and yes, jlaska is right ... there are two tasks here ... redefining priority/severity and then how to use it.
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
|-
| style="color: #42427e" | think we should change it like jlaska wrote it
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:52:20<    poelcat> | last topic was https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers
|| [[#tApr 21 11:40:06|Apr 21 11:40]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:40:23"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:52:30<    poelcat> | the manual metrics are stale
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | ok, great - i guess i'll go ahead and revise it along those lines today
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:52:38<    poelcat> | i propose we remove them
|| [[#tApr 21 11:40:23|Apr 21 11:40]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:40:49"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:52:41<      adamw> | fine by me
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | on that whole topic, btw, i was going to send the mail out to -devel yesterday or today but now i'm waiting on a technical query with the bugzilla maintainer
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:53:21<        arxs> | sounds good
|| [[#tApr 21 11:40:49|Apr 21 11:40]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:40:58"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:53:30<    poelcat> | was someone committed to maintaining them?
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | (on whether it's actually possible to block access to priority / severity)
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:53:30<      mcepl> | +1
|| [[#tApr 21 11:40:58|Apr 21 11:40]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:41:06"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:53:35<      iarlyy> | +1
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" | so that's the status there
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:54:27<    poelcat> | any other topics for today or to discuss next week?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:41:06|Apr 21 11:41]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:41:57"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:14<      mcepl> | not for me, 2B continued in #fedora-bugzappers about severity/priority
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
|-
| style="color: #42427e" |  is that an option for you to block the prio/serv fields?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:20<      adamw> | right
|| [[#tApr 21 11:41:57|Apr 21 11:41]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:42:18"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:24<      adamw> | remember, triage day starts now
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" |  that's the question - whether we can block access to those fields to all except maintainers / zappers
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:32<      adamw> | we had a few new guys sign up this week so they may show up
|| [[#tApr 21 11:42:18|Apr 21 11:42]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:42:18"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:48<    poelcat> | adamw: thanks for handling all that!
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
|-
| style="color: #42427e" |  or to hide it from the reporter?
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:56:56<      adamw> | no problems
|| [[#tApr 21 11:42:18|Apr 21 11:42]]
|-
|- id="tApr 21 11:42:28"
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:57:06<    poelcat> | thanks for coming everyone!
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
|-
| style="color: #818144" |  well, both, but the first is most important
| colspan="3" | Apr 21 11:57:09<    poelcat> | <EOM>
|| [[#tApr 21 11:42:28|Apr 21 11:42]]
 
|- id="tApr 21 11:44:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  the second is mostly useful to prevent people being annoyed about the first =)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:44:10|Apr 21 11:44]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:44:47"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  that's right :)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:44:47|Apr 21 11:44]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:45:11"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  adamw: I just wrote extensive comment on the test list about severity
|| [[#tApr 21 11:45:11|Apr 21 11:45]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:45:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  i didn't read that yet :\
|| [[#tApr 21 11:45:32|Apr 21 11:45]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:45:33"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  uh? i must missed it
|| [[#tApr 21 11:45:33|Apr 21 11:45]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:45:59"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  adamw: I just sent it (just a notice, that I expect continuous flamewar on replies to what I wrote)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:45:59|Apr 21 11:45]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:46:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  oh good, life was getting a bit dull around here
|| [[#tApr 21 11:46:22|Apr 21 11:46]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:46:33"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  i shall warm up the flamethrower
|| [[#tApr 21 11:46:33|Apr 21 11:46]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:46:37"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  (my experience as SAP's lawyer come to play here; I know a little bit about severity)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:46:37|Apr 21 11:46]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:47:42"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  and yes, it should be open only to maintainers/bugzappers, or maybe reporter should have it available on the bug reporting initial form, but that's the last time they see it.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:47:42|Apr 21 11:47]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:47:54"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  s/see/can touch/
|| [[#tApr 21 11:47:54|Apr 21 11:47]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:13"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  sounds good, what's about the voting option?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:13|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  i don't think we need to worry about it too much at this point - we can leave it there, it doesn't hurt anything
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:42|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:44"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  to give the "users" or reports a change to show up there interest?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:44|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:46"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  we can think about what to do with the data
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:46|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:47"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  voting is nice but just as a reminder ... it should never be automatically translated into changes of severity/priority
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:47|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:48:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  if anyone has any ideas
|| [[#tApr 21 11:48:49|Apr 21 11:48]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:49:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  :mcepl, i fully agree you
|| [[#tApr 21 11:49:21|Apr 21 11:49]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:49:28"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  if there is a low/low bug with 2000 votes, then we should reconsider, but that's it
|| [[#tApr 21 11:49:28|Apr 21 11:49]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:49:51"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  :mcpel right, i think the same about
|| [[#tApr 21 11:49:51|Apr 21 11:49]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:50:53"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  (we or maintainers, of course)
|| [[#tApr 21 11:50:53|Apr 21 11:50]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:52:12"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  and yes, jlaska is right ... there are two tasks here ... redefining priority/severity and then how to use it.
|| [[#tApr 21 11:52:12|Apr 21 11:52]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:52:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  last topic was https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers
|| [[#tApr 21 11:52:20|Apr 21 11:52]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:52:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  the manual metrics are stale
|| [[#tApr 21 11:52:30|Apr 21 11:52]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:52:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  i propose we remove them
|| [[#tApr 21 11:52:38|Apr 21 11:52]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:52:41"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  fine by me
|| [[#tApr 21 11:52:41|Apr 21 11:52]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:53:21"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | arxs
| style="color: #42427e" |  sounds good
|| [[#tApr 21 11:53:21|Apr 21 11:53]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:53:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  was someone committed to maintaining them?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:53:30|Apr 21 11:53]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:53:30"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  +1
|| [[#tApr 21 11:53:30|Apr 21 11:53]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:53:35"
! style="background-color: #854685" | iarlyy
| style="color: #854685" |  +1
|| [[#tApr 21 11:53:35|Apr 21 11:53]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:54:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  any other topics for today or to discuss next week?
|| [[#tApr 21 11:54:27|Apr 21 11:54]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:14"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | mcepl
| style="color: #8c4a4a" |  not for me, 2B continued in #fedora-bugzappers about severity/priority
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:14|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:20"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  right
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:20|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  remember, triage day starts now
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:24|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:32"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  we had a few new guys sign up this week so they may show up
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:32|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  adamw: thanks for handling all that!
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:48|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:56:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" |  no problems
|| [[#tApr 21 11:56:56|Apr 21 11:56]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:57:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  thanks for coming everyone!
|| [[#tApr 21 11:57:06|Apr 21 11:57]]
|- id="tApr 21 11:57:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | poelcat
| style="color: #407a40" |  <EOM>
|| [[#tApr 21 11:57:09|Apr 21 11:57]]
|}
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Latest revision as of 18:37, 15 August 2015

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2009-04-21

Attendees

  • adamw
  • arxs
  • iarlyy
  • poelcat
  • thomasj
  • mcepl
  • comphappy (not really)
  • John5342
  • rishi

Topics of Discussion

  • Triage Metrics - Problems with python have delayed the completion this task. Adamw and comphappy are working towards a solution and will report at the end of the week on the progress. Follow up on next weeks agenda.
  • Blocker Bugs - No updated information at this time. Will be on next weeks agenda.

Unassigned Follow Tasks


IRC Transcript

--- poelcat has changed the topic to: Bug Triage Meeting Apr 21 11:00
poelcat hi everyone, who is here? Apr 21 11:01
* thomasj part Apr 21 11:02
arxs here Apr 21 11:02
adamw hiya Apr 21 11:02
poelcat adamw: have you seen mcepl or tk009? Apr 21 11:04
adamw i woke up approximately 10 seconds ago :) Apr 21 11:04
poelcat adamw: should we cancel the meeting? Apr 21 11:05
adamw um Apr 21 11:06
adamw anyone have anything they think we can usefully talk about with this group? Apr 21 11:06
iarlyy hi all, sorry for delay Apr 21 11:07
adamw hi iarlyy Apr 21 11:07
iarlyy adamw: what are we talking about? Apr 21 11:08
adamw nothing yet Apr 21 11:08
adamw not much turnout Apr 21 11:08
adamw let's see, we could still do the status reports Apr 21 11:08
adamw poelcat: that's your bailliwick I believe Apr 21 11:08
poelcat okay, i'll go through the agenda Apr 21 11:09
poelcat it may be quick Apr 21 11:09
poelcat i created the SOP page (just now :-/) Apr 21 11:09
poelcat need to add the links Apr 21 11:09
poelcat https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/sop Apr 21 11:09
poelcat once I add the link I think that will address agenda item #2 Apr 21 11:09
adamw OK Apr 21 11:10
adamw thanks for that Apr 21 11:10
poelcat unless there was something else that needed to happen Apr 21 11:10
adamw i don't see anything...well, link the sop page from wherever it needs to be linked in the rest of the wiki Apr 21 11:10
poelcat adamw: add a link to the bugzappers front page? Apr 21 11:11
iarlyy I fixed typo "bugzialla" Apr 21 11:12
poelcat iarlyy: thanks :) Apr 21 11:13
poelcat next topic was metrics collection Apr 21 11:13
adamw yeah Apr 21 11:13
poelcat comphappy is still trying to get the server setup Apr 21 11:13
poelcat that is all I know Apr 21 11:13
poelcat anyone else? Apr 21 11:13
adamw comphappy can't be here but he says the problem is he has to port the code to python 2.4 to run on fedora infrastructure Apr 21 11:13
adamw which seems kind of bizarre Apr 21 11:13
adamw i'll try and get in touch with him to get the whole story on that and see if there's anything we can do about it Apr 21 11:14
poelcat adamw: thanks Apr 21 11:14
comphappy Not really here but I will fill in a little Apr 21 11:14
adamw ah hi comphappy, thanks Apr 21 11:15
comphappy I wrote the code for python 2.5 Apr 21 11:15
comphappy But fedora infra is using stuff from them and that is 2.4 Apr 21 11:16
comphappy Make that rhel phone is hard to type from Apr 21 11:16
* iarlyy crying because lost a hd.... :( Apr 21 11:17
comphappy I use a bunch of dict tools that were added ti 2.5 Apr 21 11:17
adamw seems odd that rhel would still be on python 2.4 Apr 21 11:18
comphappy I have meetings all week but iwill fill adamw in this weekend Apr 21 11:18
adamw is there a mailing list thread about this or anything, or did you just ask in irc? Apr 21 11:18
mcepl pip Apr 21 11:18
mcepl sorry for being late Apr 21 11:18
comphappy Irc fedora-admin Apr 21 11:18
iarlyy hi mcepl Apr 21 11:19
adamw comphappy: ok, thanks a lot - i'll catch up with you this weekend Apr 21 11:19
adamw mcepl: hiya Apr 21 11:19
comphappy But I have toget back to my job meting now Apr 21 11:19
mcepl what did I miss Apr 21 11:19
adamw comphappy: go with our blessings ;) Apr 21 11:19
* John5342 arrives late Apr 21 11:19
adamw mcepl: not so much - poelcat's on top of the sop pages, comphappy reported on a roadblock with the metrics stuff Apr 21 11:20
mcepl auch Apr 21 11:20
adamw he wrote it in python 2.5 and apparently infrastructure only has python 2.4 Apr 21 11:20
adamw which seems a bit odd, so i'll do some investigatin' Apr 21 11:20
adamw you know anything about that? Apr 21 11:20
adamw wb poelcat Apr 21 11:20
poelcat thanks, not sure what happened Apr 21 11:21
poelcat lost my whole screen session and everything Apr 21 11:21
mcepl adamw: hmm, if infrastructure runs on RHEL5 (which seems reasonable), then I guess we are limited to 2.4 Apr 21 11:21
adamw yeah, he said it runs on RHEL Apr 21 11:21
adamw i didn't know the latest rhel was still stuck in the python stone age :\ bummer Apr 21 11:22
mcepl remember, RHEL5 is Fedora 6 Apr 21 11:22
mcepl F7 was python 2.5 I believe Apr 21 11:23
adamw ok, so we'll have to see what we can come up with there Apr 21 11:23
adamw poelcat: next on the agenda? Apr 21 11:23
poelcat yes Apr 21 11:23
poelcat next topic was blocker bug discussion Apr 21 11:24
poelcat which i think tied into the conversation QA was having Apr 21 11:24
poelcat about release critiera? Apr 21 11:24
adamw yeah Apr 21 11:25
poelcat any updates? Apr 21 11:26
adamw er, i haven't exactly been thinking along those lines this week, so i'm a bit blank on that right now Apr 21 11:26
poelcat okay Apr 21 11:27
adamw has anyone else got any thoughts there? Apr 21 11:27
rishi I got one issue. Apr 21 11:27
adamw yup? Apr 21 11:28
rishi Ville Skytta had posted a list of packages with broken -debuginfos. I have been filling "high" priority bugs with fixes for them. Are there any plans regarding them? Apr 21 11:28
rishi Most of them are broken for F-9 to F-12. Apr 21 11:28
adamw plans, as in...? Apr 21 11:28
adamw fixing the bugs is kinda outside our scope, heh Apr 21 11:29
rishi adamw: How important are they for the release, etc.. Apr 21 11:29
* poelcat doubts we would hold up a release for debuginfo packages Apr 21 11:30
John5342 debuginfo packages help debugging issues but should not effect end user experience so doubt they are worth holding up release for Apr 21 11:30
rishi Since most of the fixes are trivial, can some provenpackager go through the bugs and commit the fixes? Apr 21 11:31
* rishi is not a provenpackager Apr 21 11:31
adamw and they have no particular impact on the Installation Experience Apr 21 11:31
adamw so post-release updates is fine Apr 21 11:31
adamw rishi: possibly, but that'd be outside our scope Apr 21 11:31
rishi adamw: Ok. Apr 21 11:32
adamw rishi: bugzappers is for weeding bugzilla; when it comes to that kind of thing, you'd need a different group Apr 21 11:32
rishi adamw: Who? :-) fedora-qa? Apr 21 11:32
adamw no, both qa and bugzappers are responsible for identifying and tracking bugs, not fixing them :) Apr 21 11:32
adamw i don't know where's the best place to request something like that, actually Apr 21 11:32
adamw mcepl? poelcat? what would you say? Apr 21 11:32
mcepl rishi: where is the list Apr 21 11:33
mcepl ? Apr 21 11:33
mcepl is there any tracking bug for them? Apr 21 11:33
poelcat seems like a fedora-devel topic to me Apr 21 11:34
iarlyy isn't devel role? Apr 21 11:34
rishi mcepl: A thread on fedora-devel-list. Apr 21 11:34
mcepl make a bug for each package, and tracking bug for all of them and then maybe some provenpackager (like me ;-)) will go through them. Apr 21 11:34
mcepl OK, I will take a look Apr 21 11:34
poelcat next topic Apr 21 11:35
poelcat 5) Wiki Revisions - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/How_to_Triage <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Beland/Bugzilla_Legend> - revising the draft list of priority / severity criteria. Apr 21 11:35
poelcat i think we are done with the first page? Apr 21 11:35
poelcat the second one depends on the proposal adamw has been getting feedback on Apr 21 11:35
poelcat anything to discuss today? Apr 21 11:35
adamw well, rather the proposal depends on the page Apr 21 11:36
adamw we'll be linking to this page in the proposal Apr 21 11:36
adamw so we want it to be reasonably solid Apr 21 11:36
adamw in particular, jlaska noticed it had some subjective bits Apr 21 11:36
adamw and the "Severity is used to describe how bad a bug is for the reporter" doesn't match up with the recent discussion on test-list Apr 21 11:37
adamw looking at it again, i'd want to tweak that, and the "producing major frustration" line under High Apr 21 11:37
adamw aside from that it looks ok Apr 21 11:37
poelcat makes sense to me Apr 21 11:39
arxs think we should change it like jlaska wrote it Apr 21 11:40
adamw ok, great - i guess i'll go ahead and revise it along those lines today Apr 21 11:40
adamw on that whole topic, btw, i was going to send the mail out to -devel yesterday or today but now i'm waiting on a technical query with the bugzilla maintainer Apr 21 11:40
adamw (on whether it's actually possible to block access to priority / severity) Apr 21 11:40
adamw so that's the status there Apr 21 11:41
arxs is that an option for you to block the prio/serv fields? Apr 21 11:41
adamw that's the question - whether we can block access to those fields to all except maintainers / zappers Apr 21 11:42
arxs or to hide it from the reporter? Apr 21 11:42
adamw well, both, but the first is most important Apr 21 11:42
adamw the second is mostly useful to prevent people being annoyed about the first =) Apr 21 11:44
arxs that's right :) Apr 21 11:44
mcepl adamw: I just wrote extensive comment on the test list about severity Apr 21 11:45
adamw i didn't read that yet :\ Apr 21 11:45
arxs uh? i must missed it Apr 21 11:45
mcepl adamw: I just sent it (just a notice, that I expect continuous flamewar on replies to what I wrote) Apr 21 11:45
adamw oh good, life was getting a bit dull around here Apr 21 11:46
adamw i shall warm up the flamethrower Apr 21 11:46
mcepl (my experience as SAP's lawyer come to play here; I know a little bit about severity) Apr 21 11:46
mcepl and yes, it should be open only to maintainers/bugzappers, or maybe reporter should have it available on the bug reporting initial form, but that's the last time they see it. Apr 21 11:47
mcepl s/see/can touch/ Apr 21 11:47
arxs sounds good, what's about the voting option? Apr 21 11:48
adamw i don't think we need to worry about it too much at this point - we can leave it there, it doesn't hurt anything Apr 21 11:48
arxs to give the "users" or reports a change to show up there interest? Apr 21 11:48
adamw we can think about what to do with the data Apr 21 11:48
mcepl voting is nice but just as a reminder ... it should never be automatically translated into changes of severity/priority Apr 21 11:48
adamw if anyone has any ideas Apr 21 11:48
arxs :mcepl, i fully agree you Apr 21 11:49
mcepl if there is a low/low bug with 2000 votes, then we should reconsider, but that's it Apr 21 11:49
arxs :mcpel right, i think the same about Apr 21 11:49
mcepl (we or maintainers, of course) Apr 21 11:50
mcepl and yes, jlaska is right ... there are two tasks here ... redefining priority/severity and then how to use it. Apr 21 11:52
poelcat last topic was https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Components_and_Triagers Apr 21 11:52
poelcat the manual metrics are stale Apr 21 11:52
poelcat i propose we remove them Apr 21 11:52
adamw fine by me Apr 21 11:52
arxs sounds good Apr 21 11:53
poelcat was someone committed to maintaining them? Apr 21 11:53
mcepl +1 Apr 21 11:53
iarlyy +1 Apr 21 11:53
poelcat any other topics for today or to discuss next week? Apr 21 11:54
mcepl not for me, 2B continued in #fedora-bugzappers about severity/priority Apr 21 11:56
adamw right Apr 21 11:56
adamw remember, triage day starts now Apr 21 11:56
adamw we had a few new guys sign up this week so they may show up Apr 21 11:56
poelcat adamw: thanks for handling all that! Apr 21 11:56
adamw no problems Apr 21 11:56
poelcat thanks for coming everyone! Apr 21 11:57
poelcat <EOM> Apr 21 11:57

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