ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-jan-14

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-01-14

Meeting Higlights

• Alpha freeze is 2008-01-15
• Rawhide is not currently installable
• Running rawhide status: http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html
• Alpha blocker bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703
• Release Engineering Schedule: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html

DECISION: slip alpha freeze by one week, re-evaluate state next meeting; hold to planned GA date

IRC Transcript

-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting		13:00
f13	ping jeremy jwb wwoods warren rdieter spot lmacken notting poelcat	13:00
* spot is here		13:01
rdieter	here (mostly)	13:01
jwb	here	13:01
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Fedora 9 Alpha		13:02
* lmacken		13:02
f13	alright that's likely enough to get started.	13:02
f13	although I'd like wwoods  :/	13:02
f13	so, alpha, supposed to freeze tomorrow	13:03
f13	which would normally mean freezing tonight right after rawhide compose.	13:03
f13	so that rawhide tomorrow == freeze content	13:03
wwoods	doop	13:04
f13	however, our tree is in an interesting state	13:04
f13	wwoods: is it installable today?	13:04
wwoods	As far as I can tell.. no	13:04
* poelcat here		13:05
notting	is it uninstallable in a different way than it has been uninstallable previously?	13:05
wwoods	traces back when it tries to start the transaction	13:05
wwoods	notting: yes!	13:05
wwoods	we have X and disks now!	13:05
wwoods	subject to the normal X caveats, e.g. "no X on sis"	13:05
wwoods	I think dhcp is still screwed on x86_64	13:06
wwoods	if you click on the "Upgrade existing system" item, the installer crashes	13:06
f13	yeah...	13:07
wwoods	that's what I've got so far	13:07
wwoods	it's better than last week but a long way from installable	13:07
spot	i just pulled out two more fontsets	13:08
spot	but that shouldn't affect anything	13:08
wwoods	I might try yum upgrading an F8 box just to do *some* functional testing	13:09
wwoods	but it's been weeks since we had an installable rawhide	13:09
wwoods	and that's a killer	13:09
f13	yes.  I'm not comfortable at all snapshotting for alpha at this point.	13:09
f13	so that would mean talking about a slip	13:10
notting	do we have a quick virtual whiteboard of issues?	13:11
f13	is in channel OK?	13:12
wwoods	http://wwoods.fedorapeople.org/rawhide.html has what I've got so far	13:12
wwoods	I'll be adding the transaction crash and upgrade crash shortly	13:12
jwb	i just fixed nautilus-open-terminal	13:12
jwb	but that shouldn't make any difference either	13:13
wwoods	but yeah, I've done *zero* functional testing	13:13
notting	i think 422421 is fixed	13:13
wwoods	422061 is probably OK too	13:13
wwoods	at least it should be non-NEW	13:13
f13	but more importantly, no new installs are possible	13:13
f13	so we don't know where there are problems.	13:14
f13	rather where /else/	13:14
wwoods	right	13:14
wwoods	how long's the freeze?	13:14
f13	week~	13:14
wwoods	so. we want a week with an installable tree to shape it up	13:15
wwoods	do we push the freeze until we've got an installable tree, or freeze now and extend the freeze until we hit that target?	13:15
clumens	THUD	13:16
f13	I wanted chris to pop buy and help us make this decision.	13:16
jwb	how likely will gdm allow logout in a week?	13:16
f13	clumens: we're discussing the alpha freeze tomorrow and the current state of things.	13:17
* spot would be happy if gdm allowed reliable LOGIN		13:17
clumens	alright	13:17
f13	to be perfectly honest, I'd be happy if you can install, and get updates	13:17
wwoods	yeah, so long as people can get updates we can push fixes at them later	13:18
wwoods	but if they can't get the bits on their system we're boned	13:18
poelcat	do we have an alpha tracking bug so folks can follow along at home?	13:18
wwoods	poelcat: not yet. one should be created.	13:19
jwb	i have some kernel bugs to log myself.  kernel hates my laptop	13:19
clumens	f13: well we have hard drives today, and X starts on hardware that X runs on	13:19
clumens	though apparently there's some rpmdb thing now that i have not gotten a chance to investigate	13:19
f13	right, and network x86_64 is still boned	13:19
clumens	static networking is probably busted too	13:20
wwoods	oh right, forgot about that	13:21
wwoods	dcantrell where art thou?	13:22
f13	wwoods: so what would you like to see before we take the snapshot?	13:22
clumens	wwoods: 1300-0600 = probably still asleep	13:23
* jwb notes that with everything being broken he hasn't done any ppc spins		13:23
wwoods	oh he's at UTC-6? good to know	13:23
clumens	wwoods: EST-6	13:23
wwoods	f13: installable on i386, at a bare minimum	13:24
clumens	hawaii and all	13:24
wwoods	clumens: oh duh. noted. thanks.	13:24
poelcat	wwoods: all: tracker created https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428703	13:24
buggbot	Bug 428703: low, low, ---, Bill Nottingham, NEW , Fedora 9 Alpha Tracking bug	13:24
clumens	so if you're asking how i feel about anaconda right now, total mixed bag	13:24
wwoods	oh for the love of crap. my kingdom for a working CDRW	13:27
wwoods	I haven't seen a crash this colorful since the old DOS days. so that's kinda cool.	13:27
wwoods	anyway, yeah, are we going to push the freeze back or extend it?	13:27
f13	I'd rather push it back	13:28
jwb	it's a rel-eng only freeze right?	13:28
f13	yes	13:28
jwb	then why push it back?	13:28
f13	jwb: because it's not as if we're comfortable of have any idea whats going on outside of installer, so there isn't really a point to freeze that right now anyway	13:28
poelcat	and the whole point of the alpha that it installs	13:29
jwb	f13, i wouldn't say we have no idea	13:29
jwb	but ok	13:29
wwoods	/fobpath/?	13:30
f13	usb fob	13:30
* wwoods confused by this directory		13:30
wwoods	ah	13:30
wwoods	hm. I should use mine.	13:30
clumens	so, you're saying i should get back to work?	13:31
wwoods	yeah. slacker.	13:31
wwoods	I'll get you some info on that transaction crash RSN	13:31
wwoods	ahh, I love the new URL entry screen (with proxy support and everything!)	13:32
f13	so how do we feel about a week slip, and re-evaluate next monday?	13:32
wwoods	I feel OK about it	13:32
jwb	i feel it would be good	13:32
notting	we have nowhere to go but up?	13:33
clumens	we came a long way this weekend	13:33
jwb	well... we could go sideways... get anaconda working, and then everything after crashes?	13:33
wwoods	error: no dbpath has been set (?!)	13:35
wwoods	error: cannot open Packages database in /mnt/sysimage/%{_dbpath}	13:35
f13	cute	13:36
wwoods	sounds like that might be an easy thing to fix, though	13:37
f13	nod	13:38
f13	ok, so I'll announce the slip and we'll have a work to get things better.	13:38
wwoods	a week to work?	13:38
f13	yes	13:39
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Discussion		13:39
jwb	F9 names?	13:40
clumens	i wonder if rpm has changed	13:40
jwb	legal got back to us	13:40
f13	jwb: Yeah, can you get a vote setup with toshio?	13:40
jwb	yep, was just going to see if that's who i had to bug	13:40
jwb	btw, most of the good names were yanked :(	13:40
clumens	so it's down to tasticles and popplers?	13:40
rdieter	ha	13:41
jwb	clumens, there's a much larger list than last time.  but most of the ones people said "yeah!" at were cut	13:41
f13	I liked bathysphere	13:41
jwb	i think that one's still there	13:42
wwoods	nice!	13:42
f13	nod	13:42
f13	notting and I made some progress at making the rawhide creation process less tearful	13:42
jwb	oh?	13:43
f13	we'll have to enact it soon, which includes an upgrade of releng1 to rhel5	13:43
notting	although it's in a holding pattern for a bit	13:43
f13	ah	13:43
notting	well, skvidal will fix up createrepo. but more fixage requires func-ification	13:43
f13	notting: I'm not convinced that func is the answer	13:43
f13	notting: more realisticaly we need koji integration	13:43
f13	or else it's just a slightly better method of what we hav enow.	13:44
notting	well, there are two routes	13:44
notting	- a func module that controlls mock (you can set it up to create buildroots, etc.)	13:44
notting	- grand unified koji bits, so koji has a 'make me a rawhide' button	13:44
notting	the second seems overkill	13:44
f13	that's not what I'm talking about at all	13:44
notting	the first is nice in that you don't actually need to worry about what the koji repos are	13:44
f13	we just need a koji runroot function	13:45
f13	run "command" in chroot of <tag>	13:45
f13	upload results to /path/	13:45
notting	right, but rawhide is already running on its own repos	13:45
notting	not the koji ones	13:45
f13	which is fixable.	13:45
notting	how is running on a potentially stale (vis-a-vis static-repo creation) repo better?	13:45
f13	because then we allow koji to better pick a builder to use, registers the weight of the run on the builder itself, and handles passing the bits around for us.	13:46
notting	.... passing the bits?	13:47
f13	notting: if you're that worried, you can trigger a newRepo task right before starting mash, and taskwait said newRepo for the buildinstall phase.	13:47
f13	notting: kojibuilder can upload the output via xmlrpc to the hub, which writes it out in /mnt/koji/ somewhere.	13:47
jwb	poelcat, where is the rel-eng schedule at?	13:47
f13	/mnt/koji/runroot/<task>/output	13:47
notting	yeah, but 'output' is a pretty amorphous concept for pungify	13:48
f13	either way we're going to have to modify koji	13:48
f13	or we'll just keep ignoring the fact that rawhide tasks will abuse builders and not register as weight and we'll continue having problems of delayed rawhide due to builds.	13:48
f13	and builds getting delayed due to rawhide.	13:49
notting	yes. the other thing is that a mock controller in func might be picked up quicker in general by others, but that shouldn't be a deciding factor	13:49
f13	nod	13:49
notting	which led me wondering if koji would have been written differently if func predated it. which is neither here nor there.	13:49
poelcat	jwb: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-releng-tasks.html	13:49
jwb	poelcat, ah thanks	13:50
notting	f13: short-term, we can do 'check load ; koji disable-builder', etc. which would require some auth tricks (certificate or otherwise)	13:50
f13	notting: yeah, we could do that.	13:51
notting	other note: as mentioned on fedora-admin, the current schedule for reversing the sync streams is february 4th	13:53
notting	which will require some changes around rawhide & bodhi, although not necessarily *in* bodhi	13:55
f13	ok, we're off in the weeds.	13:57
f13	poelcat: decision: slip alpha freeze a week, re-evaluate state next meeting.	13:57

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