ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2007-oct-01

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-10-02

Fedora 8 Test 3

• release candidate tree done (minus live images) which is synced to RDU
• working through some problematic issues with live images right now
• adding "new" packages now that need to be on the DVD would slip the release

Regular Fedora Releases on CD

• we don't explain clearly anywhere why we don't do CD release anymore (regular ISOs not live image)
• doing regular CD releases increases disk space on mirrors, compose time, and QA paths considerably
• the i386 Live CD is usable in CD form, or the network based install options from rescue or boot.iso
• creating CD sets can be created with existing free tools--LUGs can produce such things for their members, or whatever.
• if CD releases were to be re-instituted the Fedora board would have to make decision that it is really important
• QA would need to sign off
• face possible wrath of the mirrors

IRC Transcript

f13	jeremy: jwb: wwoods: spot: warren: rdieter: poelcat: notting: ping	13:00
* notting is here		13:00
jwb	real-life issues today.  going to miss	13:00
* spot is here		13:01
jeremy	I'll be here in a second	13:01
* warren here		13:01
* poelcat here		13:01
* warren is soon testing live CD copied to USB		13:02
f13	ugh.	13:03
spot	ugh?	13:03
f13	note to self.  Don't try to do anything else on the net if moving an ISO via nfs through nautilus.	13:03
f13	it dropped me from all but the local switch connections I had.	13:03
f13	anywho.	13:03
f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Releng: Fedora 8 Test 3		13:04
jeremy	(back)	13:04
f13	so we've got a release candidate tree done (minus live images), that I've synced to rdu	13:04
wwoods	where in RDU?	13:04
f13	and I've been banging on it for a bit.  I haven't ran into any stopships yet, I'm feeling pretty good.	13:04
f13	wwoods: I sent that to you in msg	13:04
wwoods	I rebooted and lost it, sorry	13:04
f13	you should have it now	13:04
wwoods	cool, thank you	13:05
jeremy	some of the live images at least are going to be problematic for now.  kde, for example	13:06
jeremy	and we might want new NetworkManager in general.  working with dcbw as we speak	13:06
spot	we'll probably want new perl	13:07
spot	i'm building the new package now	13:07
spot	(fixes spamassassin)	13:07
warren	spot, the DB_File issue?  what was it?	13:07
spot	warren: i can show you the patch if you'd like, it was an uninitialized variable	13:08
warren	ah, ok	13:08
f13	uh..	13:08
f13	please keep in mind that "new" packages now that would be on the DVD == slip of the release	13:08
spot	f13: would you like to ship spamassassin non-functional?	13:08
f13	spot: can it be fixed in an update?  this isn't a final release.	13:09
spot	sure. it would just be broken on the DVD.	13:09
jeremy	won't be the only thing ;)	13:09
wwoods	anything that can be fixed in an update and doesn't prevent people from installing / updating	13:09
f13	heh	13:09
wwoods	is not a release blocker	13:09
wwoods	it sucks like whoa, but there it is	13:09
warren	jeremy, does the new NM show the right icon as connected when you login?	13:09
f13	"new" ?	13:10
wwoods	(the rules are different for final releases, natch)	13:10
f13	I don't think it's been built yet.	13:10
jeremy	warren: not what's there right now; dcbw has a patch from mclasen to fix that up	13:10
jeremy	proposal: we can build the live images a little later and have more NetworkManager fixes	13:10
f13	we can somewhat cheat with the Live images and pull in some slightly newer stuff, but that won't make it to the DVDs	13:10
jeremy	since that's the way that most people who are hitting NetworkManager can get the fixes right off the bat	13:11
f13	jeremy: +1	13:11
warren	More important to get it out the door and unfreeze	13:11
f13	but lets get a definition of what 'little later' means.	13:11
f13	I don't necessarily want to let IS release it to mirrors without all the content there	13:11
jeremy	later today/early early tomorrow	13:12
jeremy	also, the plan for the developer and FEL live images is to do them torrent only as hopefully they'll be able to be on the new spins.fedoraproject.org at release time if we can get all the ducks in a row there	13:12
f13	jeremy: ok, that's probably OK, we can have IS stage and feed them the rest tomorrow, but their stage process doesn't lend itself to 'just resync against foo' :(	13:12
notting	that's cutting it close	13:12
jeremy	and as kde is likely hosed, we might want to put it torrent-only also (as that gives us more time to potentially get a working knetworkmanager)	13:13
notting	hosed b/c of NM, or hosed for other reasons?	13:13
f13	nm	13:13
jeremy	NM	13:13
warren	nevermind =)	13:14
spot	i thought i read that knetworkmanager was working	13:16
jeremy	spot: lies	13:16
jeremy	spot: it doesn't _build_, much less work	13:16
* jeremy spent some time last night and this morning trying to get it to build		13:16
notting	'was being worked on'	13:16
jeremy	I'll try to see if we can get the gnome nm-applet running with the kde livecd this afternoon as a short-term way to deal with things	13:18
f13	k	13:20
f13	in the mean time, I'm going to continue hitting test cases and getting say SHA1SUM files signed and stuff.	13:21
f13	and figuring out a way to get these damned DVDs to burn.	13:21
f13	I'll alert legal once we hand it off to IS	13:21
f13	the Docs team is on the hook for a release announcement.	13:22
f13	anything else anybody wants to bring up?	13:23
poelcat	f13: got a quick on	13:24
notting	f13: ppc status?	13:24
f13	poelcat: shoot.	13:24
f13	notting: mostly working, X hosed on my mini and my G5	13:24
f13	notting: I haven't seen a PPC gui in a while.  Going to take a DVD home and throw it at the PS3 tonight.	13:25
poelcat	f13: do we clearly explain anywhere why we don't do CD release anymore (regular ISOs not live image)?	13:26
wwoods	X works fine on my g4 powerbook and g5 powermac	13:26
wwoods	well, the radeon in ght g5 is getting the monitor gamma wrongish still, but it works	13:27
jeremy	wwoods: ppc32 live cd coming up soon	13:27
wwoods	jeremy: seriously? I half-thought that was a joke	13:27
f13	poelcat: I don't thin it's put clearly anywhere no :(	13:27
poelcat	f13: will it ever be reconsidered?	13:28
jeremy	wwoods: I don't joke.	13:28
wwoods	jeremy: rad. Looking forward to it, then. I've got plenty of ppcs at home to mess with	13:29
f13	poelcat: I'm not sure.  It increases disk space on mirrors, compose time, and QA paths considerably	13:30
jeremy	wwoods: good.  because there's not a lot of ppc32 hardware around here, so ...	13:30
poelcat	f13: okay	13:31
f13	poelcat: plus given the i386 Live CD that's usable in CD form, or the network based install options from rescue or boot.iso, it doesn't seem to be all that work the added cost to produce.	13:31
f13	poelcat: and since the tools are free, places like LUGs can produce such things for their members, or whatever.	13:31
wwoods	jeremy: actually my wife's iMac is ppc64 but I've got 3 ppc32 machines handy	13:31
f13	poelcat: that said, if the board decides that this is really important, and QA signs off on it, we'll go back tomaking them, and facing the wrath of the mirrors (:	13:33
poelcat	f13: i see what you are saying, but i think there is still a large niche of new people that aren't giving fedora a real try because of this barrier	13:35
mdomsch	as long as there's a clean user experience with the LiveCDs for kickstarting like you could with the normal boot CDs	13:35
f13	mdomsch: I don't follow	13:35
jeremy	mdomsch: there's not a clean user experience with kickstarting off of cd	13:35
mdomsch	ahh, -1 then :-(	13:36
jeremy	mdomsch: there's not with kickstart off old install cds either, though	13:36
jeremy	mdomsch: switching cds is for the lose!	13:36
mdomsch	yeah	13:37
warren	764M of x86_64 Live image	13:37
warren	will that fit on a CD?	13:37
jeremy	no.	13:37
jeremy	how many times do we have to go through this?	13:37
jeremy	and I think we're off of rel-eng topics	13:37
jeremy	so let's either get back on topic or I'd like to actually get back to fixing things for test3	13:37
warren	Anything more?	13:38
f13	I got nothin.	13:39
f13	warren: it'll fit on some of the newer special large CDRs	13:39
f13	which are probably more rare than DVDRW drives	13:39
spot	significantly more rare.	13:39

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