BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2009-Jun-16

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2009-06-16

Agenda: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-June/msg00499.html

Attendees

• adamw
• rjune_wrk
• tk009
• nirik
• arxs
• sgireesh
• comphappy_
• thomasj
• comphappy
• jlaska

Meeting Recap

• Topic: update on components and triagers page refresh (and FAS groups)

The components page is still in early development, with some design decisions yet to be finalized. comphappy will continue to update on progress. The metrics are not currently updating, this is a result of ongoing work comphappy is doing, and he aware of the issue.

• Topic: tk009 to report if he figured out how the 'important component list' was generated

Spoke with jds2001 and f13 after the meeting. f13 advised using https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal from FAD as a guide to updating the "triagers components list" rather than the method that was used previously. Will investigate and advise next week.

• Topic: update on kernel triage status

No new information at this time. adamw is awaiting responses, and will escalate if not received soon. There was discussion on this topic in the F11 retrospective meeting. We are reminded to ensure we coordinate our efforts with all interested parties.

• Topic: request from EPEL project for help with their bug day

There was general discussion and a reminder about the upcoming EPEL Team Bug Day. The event will take place in #epel on freenode. Michael Stahnke of the EPEL Project will provide further details on fedora-test-list when available.

All BugZappers are encouraged to help and support the EPEL team by participating in this event.

IRC Transcript

rjune_wrk	#startmeeting	15:02
adamw	well, this is new. :)	15:02
tk009	its great	15:02
tk009	no need to log	15:02
tk009	rjune_wrk in the eeting chair	15:03
rjune_wrk	I'm doing it today guys, please bear with me	15:03
rjune_wrk	#topic update on components and triagers page refresh (and FAS groups)	15:03
adamw	that should be arxs	15:03
rjune_wrk	arxs: update?	15:04
arxs	rjune_wrk: it's done since last week	15:04
arxs	the version that are now in the wiki is the final one	15:04
rjune_wrk	ok then.	15:04
adamw	on FAS groups	15:04
adamw	comphappy is working on having a components page as part of the triage metrics system, using the FAS group	15:05
adamw	it's not ready yet but it's In Progress	15:05
adamw	quote: "adamw: the components page is not up yet I was sorting some stuff out with kylev, there is some db trickery that I will have to think about. Also been thinking about the best way to deal with the requests to break down the triage metrics by release. I will get back to you in more detail on that wed"	15:05
* sgireesh joined a bit late..		15:06
rjune_wrk	comphappy_: just talking about you	15:06
adamw	hey sgireesh / comphappy_, we're walking the agenda, rjune_wrk is leading today	15:06
rjune_wrk	adamw: anything else?	15:06
adamw	unless comphappy_ wants to add anything (i explained what we talked about last night, brennan) - no	15:07
adamw	(this is on the components page in triageweb)	15:07
comphappy_	What do you need? I am on the run	15:07
adamw	nothing needed unless you specifically wanted to mention anything :)	15:07
comphappy_	Nope	15:08
rjune_wrk	#meetingtopic fedora bugzappers	15:08
rjune_wrk	#topic tk009 to report if he figured out how the 'important component list' was generated	15:08
tk009	ok	15:08
rjune_wrk	Moving along, tk009?	15:08
tk009	I have tried to squeeze jds2001	15:08
comphappy	Unless you got any imfo on kernel	15:08
adamw	that's later	15:09
rjune_wrk	comphappy: that's coming up	15:09
tk009	but he has not replied to e either in IRC or email	15:09
tk009	I will be up his butt today	15:09
rjune_wrk	tk009: any other contact method?	15:09
adamw	STEAMROLLER	15:09
rjune_wrk	going up his butt might require a level of familiarity you don't have.	15:09
tk009	my foot neds no intro	15:10
rjune_wrk	heh	15:10
rjune_wrk	ok, let's put that off till next week then, yes?	15:10
tk009	the list	15:10
tk009	it will be completed before next week	15:10
rjune_wrk	ok	15:12
rjune_wrk	#topic update on kernel triage status	15:12
rjune_wrk	adamw sent out an email to the guys involved, I've not seen anything back, to knowledge neither has adamw or tk009, yes?	15:12
adamw	yeah, we are waiting on cebbert	15:12
adamw	if he doesn't reply relatively soon jlaska will escalate	15:12
tk009	nothing here but I am behind	15:13
tk009	I have 280 emails to read	15:13
adamw	just one thing to add - at the retrospective meeting that's going on right now, jon stanley mentioned he's interested in improved kernel qa	15:13
adamw	so he may be willing to help us out here	15:13
jlaska	adamw: I think it was j-rod who mentioned that	15:13
rjune_wrk	enlighten me, who's he?	15:13
adamw	oh yes	15:13
adamw	jarod wilson, rather	15:13
adamw	he has no people page	15:14
adamw	bad j-rod	15:15
rjune_wrk	Anything else?	15:15
adamw	his site is http://wilsonet.com/	15:15
rjune_wrk	oops, sorry	15:15
adamw	he does kernel stuff	15:15
adamw	irc nick is j-rod	15:16
adamw	i'll try and bring him in on this thing	15:16
adamw	alright, i think that's it for that topic :)	15:16
rjune_wrk	ok then	15:16
rjune_wrk	#topic request from EPEL project for help with their bug day	15:16
adamw	so, this is a pretty simple one - we were contacted by michael stahnke, who's involved with EPEL, for help with a test day they have coming up	15:17
adamw	he also mailed the list (topic "EPEL Bug Day"), and gave a wiki link - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/EPEL_Bug_Day_July_2009	15:17
adamw	date is july 11th	15:18
tk009	how does this work?	15:18
rjune_wrk	what does he want help with?	15:18
adamw	for anyone who's unaware, EPEL is a project to provide unofficial extra packages (mainly based on fedora packages) for RHEL	15:18
tk009	can we change redhat bugs?	15:18
nirik	no, just epel bugs. ;)	15:18
adamw	they're not red hat bugs (epel is a separate project), and yeah, we can.	15:19
tk009	=)	15:19
adamw	yes, those are good questions and the ones I asked him too :)	15:19
nirik	look at your bugzilla front page, and you will see there are 140 "Fedora EPEL" bugs... those are the ones we want to run though.	15:19
adamw	he's promised to provide us more information closer to the time.	15:19
* nirik is also happy to provide more info on it.		15:19
adamw	i think in principle we're happy to help, in practice we need info on what needs doing and then anyone who's around on the day can certainly show up at that event to help out.	15:20
adamw	anyone disagree/really enthusiastic/have suggestions?	15:20
rjune_wrk	How many bugs that get fixed in fedora are still broken in epel? don't they basically rebuild extras?	15:20
sgireesh	is there a difference in the process flow in EPEL?	15:21
arxs	for triage of EPEL bugs, is a installed RHEL needed?	15:21
thomasj	Will that event happen in #fedora-bugzappers?	15:21
adamw	"Where: Primary activity will take place on bugzilla and in IRC channel #epel on freenode. "	15:22
nirik	rjune_wrk: usually maintainers are the same, so any fixes go into epel too.	15:22
nirik	rhel shouldn't be needed. You could get by with a centos box, or in some cases neither.	15:22
arxs	nirik: thanks for pointing that out	15:22
nirik	mostly the idea would be to triage these bugs and see what they are, ping for progress, see if any are easyfix, that kind of thing.	15:23
nirik	since there are only (ha) 140 of them, we might be able to get though looking at them all at least.	15:23
* thomasj should just read the link, thanks anyways adamw		15:24
adamw	what about sgireesh's process question?	15:24
adamw	does epel follow the rhel bug flow? fedora bug flow? something different? :)	15:24
nirik	ah, yes. Good question. I don't think so... epel should follow the fedora bug flow.	15:24
sgireesh	ok	15:25
adamw	fedora bug flow is of course https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow	15:25
nirik	with some minor differences I guess...	15:25
nirik	there is no rawhide.	15:25
* nirik nods. Yes, epel should follow that same process.		15:25
rjune_wrk	that it for this topic?	15:27
adamw	think so	15:28
rjune_wrk	Thank you all for coming	15:29
rjune_wrk	#endmeeting	15:29

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