QA/Meetings/20090727

Agenda

Proposed meeting agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

1. [Viking-Ice] - updating meeting channel page w/ new QA time
   • Updated Meeting_channel
   • User:kparal updated future QA meeting wiki QA/Meetings
2. [jlaska] - discuss ideas with fedora-infrastructure for getting test candidates out to testers
   • See https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1554
3. [Viking-Ice] - update on Dracut testing considerations (see agenda item below)

Dracut rawhide testing update

Update from viking-ice on Dracut rawhide test considerations raised in previous meeting.

In the news

Alpha test compose

An F12 Alpha test compose is scheduled for delivery this Wednesday, 2009-07-29 (see schedule). Liam Li has invited install testers to contribute results against the upcoming Alpha Candidate.

• See mailing list announcement
• See QA:Fedora_12_Install_Test_Plan
• See QA:Fedora_12_Alpha_Install_Test_Results

Alpha blocker bug day#3

In preparation for this Friday's blocker bug day#3, jlaska asked the group for volunteers to help announce and summarize the event (in accordance with the draft SOP [1]).

Whose got the ball(s)?

Upcoming QA events

• 2009-07-28 - BugZappers/Triage_days
• 2009-07-29 - Alpha Test Compose
• 2009-08-03 - QA/Meetings/20090803 at 16:00 UTC

Action items

• <FIXME>
• [jlaska] - file bug against distribution for rawhide pungi problems

IRC transcript

jlaska	| #startmeeting	Jul 27 12:00
zodbot	| Meeting started Mon Jul 27 16:00:03 2009 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	Jul 27 12:00
zodbot	| Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| #meetingtopic Fedora QA Meeting	Jul 27 12:00
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| #topic locating bodies	Jul 27 12:00
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: locating bodies (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:00
adamw	| mine's here	Jul 27 12:00
* | poelcat here		Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| Greetings folks!	Jul 27 12:00
-- | Netsplit leguin.freenode.net <-	irc.freenode.net quits: mbonnet, buggbot, muep`	Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| this is our hot new meeting time	Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| I suspect we'll have some confusion this week	Jul 27 12:00
adamw	| heh :)	Jul 27 12:00
jlaska	| I'm always confused ... so that's nothing new	Jul 27 12:01
--> | Netsplit Over - Joins: buggbot		Jul 27 12:01
* | kparal here		Jul 27 12:01
jlaska	| Howdy kparal	Jul 27 12:01
adamw	| this isn't the AA meeting?	Jul 27 12:01
jlaska	| adamw: oh oops, wrong agenda :)	Jul 27 12:02
jeff_hann	| howdy guys :)	Jul 27 12:02
jlaska	| jeff_hann: greetings!	Jul 27 12:02
* | Viking-Ice clocks in..		Jul 27 12:02
* | dpravec is here too		Jul 27 12:02
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: dpravec greetings gents	Jul 27 12:02
* | f13		Jul 27 12:03
jlaska	| f13: welcome	Jul 27 12:03
jlaska	| do we have a wwoods lurking?	Jul 27 12:03
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* | skvidal is lurking		Jul 27 12:04
jlaska	| skvidal: welcome you lurker!	Jul 27 12:04
jlaska	| ;)	Jul 27 12:04
jlaska	| okay ... let's get started	Jul 27 12:04
jlaska	| #topic Follow-up from last week	Jul 27 12:04
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Follow-up from last week (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:04
jlaska	| for folks using the play-at-home version, the proposed agenda was sent to the list ... https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00529.html	Jul 27 12:05
--- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet		Jul 27 12:05
--- | mbonnet is now known as mbonnet_		Jul 27 12:05
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: thanks for knocking off the first time	Jul 27 12:05
jlaska	| # [Viking-Ice] - updating meeting channel page w/ new QA time	Jul 27 12:05
jlaska	| kparal: thanks for the assist with updating the QA/Meetings links too	Jul 27 12:05
kparal	| no problem	Jul 27 12:05
--- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet__		Jul 27 12:05
jlaska	| okay, flying through the list ...	Jul 27 12:06
jlaska	| # [jlaska] - discuss ideas with fedora-infrastructure for getting test candidates out to testers	Jul 27 12:06
--- | mbonnet__ is now known as mbonnet_		Jul 27 12:06
--- | mbonnet_ is now known as mbonnet		Jul 27 12:06
jlaska	| spoke to mmcgrath last week about some of the problems experienced in the past on the alt.fp.org system	Jul 27 12:06
jlaska	| he isn't aware of any new problems since a recent system upgrade	Jul 27 12:07
jlaska	| and has set things up to monitor for bottlenecks once the test compose #1 has been posted	Jul 27 12:07
jlaska	| More information is posted in the fedora-infrastructure ticket - https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1554#comment:4	Jul 27 12:07
jlaska	| hopefully if there are problems, we'll hit them this week and we can then work with the infrastructure team on solutions	Jul 27 12:09
jlaska	| okay next up .. Viking-Ice ... I've moved this into an agenda item to give you some time to discuss any concerns	Jul 27 12:09
adamw	| so what's happening exactly?	Jul 27 12:09
adamw	| we're pushing test compose #1 to a publicly accessible site?	Jul 27 12:09
jlaska	| adamw: they've got phazers on stun and are monitoring	Jul 27 12:09
jlaska	| you betcha ... they want to feel the burn before we make any corrective actions	Jul 27 12:09
adamw	| ok. have we decided to what extent we will announce it?	Jul 27 12:10
Viking-Ice	| I thought we were facing bandwith/storage issues not performance?	Jul 27 12:10
jlaska	| adamw: yeah, QA is going forward on plan with allowing testers to contribute	Jul 27 12:10
f13	| bandwidth issues lead to performance	Jul 27 12:10
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: storage wasn't a concern as I'm told	Jul 27 12:10
adamw	| jlaska: right, but do we announce to test-list only, or wider than that	Jul 27 12:11
jlaska	| and any performance issues were surprises to them	Jul 27 12:11
adamw	| f13: i think viking means how is a 'system upgrade' going to help if the bottleneck was bandwidth	Jul 27 12:11
jlaska	| adamw: ah, let's stick with what we've done before for now ... keeping things equal (fedora-test-list)	Jul 27 12:11
adamw	| OK.	Jul 27 12:11
Viking-Ice	| adamw: nailed it. .	Jul 27 12:11
jlaska	| yeah	Jul 27 12:11
jlaska	| hopefully if it's going to fail ... let's fail now	Jul 27 12:11
jlaska	| and then we can work the problems	Jul 27 12:12
adamw	| OK, just wanted to be clear on the plan.	Jul 27 12:12
jlaska	| adamw: no worries, thanks for asking	Jul 27 12:12
jlaska	| #topic Testing dracut in rawhide	Jul 27 12:13
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Testing dracut in rawhide (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:13
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: it hasn't been a full week since our last meeting, but I wanted to give you some time to talk about any updates you had with Harald	Jul 27 12:13
jlaska	| give you a chance to walk through any topics that need QA attention	Jul 27 12:13
Viking-Ice	| Well no changes in the front here I have not had time to note down and contact harald ( was out in the country the whole weekend which kinda screwed things up )	Jul 27 12:14
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: ooh, I wish I had the same experience!	Jul 27 12:14
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: no worries, are there any related issues you wanted to talk about today ... or should we revisit offline (or next meeting)?	Jul 27 12:15
Viking-Ice	| In the meantime dracut reach it's 0.7 version with additional several fixes added cmd options etc	Jul 27 12:15
Viking-Ice	| Next meeting I would say..	Jul 27 12:16
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: okay, I'll keep it on the list	Jul 27 12:16
jlaska	| okay, just a quick note on upcoming events ...	Jul 27 12:17
jlaska	| #topic Alpha test compose	Jul 27 12:17
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Alpha test compose (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:17
jlaska	| assuming the F12Alpha list is cleared, we can expect a test compose built this Wednesday	Jul 27 12:18
f13	| I thought we were in good shape for this	Jul 27 12:18
f13	| except that apparently we haven't been having images for the last couple days	Jul 27 12:18
f13	| jlaska: we don't need the list clear for a test compose	Jul 27 12:18
f13	| we just need it clear of any super debilitating issues, like no images (:	Jul 27 12:18
jlaska	| f13: ah my mistake ... we do need those anaconda showstoppers cleared	Jul 27 12:18
* | poelcat was under the (possibly mistaken impression) that we haven't been able to install rawhide for a week or more		Jul 27 12:19
jlaska	| poelcat: you are correct	Jul 27 12:19
adamw	| no images being generated sounds different from the anaconda showstoppers	Jul 27 12:19
adamw	| although the _fact_ that there's no images being generated recently means we can't be sure if the showstoppers are fixed, i guess	Jul 27 12:19
jlaska	| http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/rawhide-20090727/logs/pungify-i386.log	Jul 27 12:19
f13	| there was a short period of time where there were images	Jul 27 12:20
f13	| perhaps even working images	Jul 27 12:20
jlaska	| and during that time we logged a few installation blocker bugs	Jul 27 12:20
f13	| when the dbus issue got fixed.	Jul 27 12:20
jlaska	| looks like an error in the pungify-i386.log	Jul 27 12:20
jlaska	| f13: should this be bz'd or sent out for investigate to the you and the release engineering team as a trac ticket?	Jul 27 12:21
f13	| should be a bug on the blocker list	Jul 27 12:21
f13	| against component, um... distribution for now	Jul 27 12:21
jlaska	| alrighty ... if someone doesn't beat me to it, I'll get it logged after the meeting	Jul 27 12:21
jlaska	| so images and the 2 anaconda blockers are the install test blockers I'm aware of	Jul 27 12:22
kparal	| i have reported 2 bugs in anaconda and still waiting for fresh images to verify the fix	Jul 27 12:22
jlaska	| kparal: are these issues you feel should be Alpha blockers?	Jul 27 12:23
jlaska	| bug#513175 and bug#513383 ?	Jul 27 12:23
buggbot	| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=513175 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, MODIFIED, ImportError: No module named decorator	Jul 27 12:23
buggbot	| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=513383 medium, low, ---, anaconda-maint-list, CLOSED RAWHIDE, Detecting devices crashes	Jul 27 12:23
kparal	| thats it	Jul 27 12:23
kparal	| youre fast	Jul 27 12:23
* | jlaska has some handy links		Jul 27 12:23
kparal	| both should be fixed, just waiting for new images to confirm it	Jul 27 12:25
jlaska	| okay	Jul 27 12:25
kparal	| and probably it happens only on certain machines	Jul 27 12:25
jlaska	| that's all I had for the test compose ... Liam is driving this initiative, so stay tuned to the list for further details (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-July/msg00523.html)	Jul 27 12:25
adamw	| well, you said you were using virt-manager, right?	Jul 27 12:25
adamw	| that's a common 'machine' :)	Jul 27 12:26
kparal	| yes, virt-manager	Jul 27 12:26
adamw	| i'd consider installs in virt-manager being broken being close to an alpha blocker at least...but we can discuss it at the next review meeting	Jul 27 12:26
jlaska	| heck, I've been treating virt-manager as a reference platform	Jul 27 12:26
* | jlaska agrees		Jul 27 12:26
wwoods	| yeah, our testing is going to focus on KVM guests	Jul 27 12:26
wwoods	| err, our automated testing is going to ...	Jul 27 12:27
wwoods	| so if that's broken we're back in the dark	Jul 27 12:27
jlaska	| right on	Jul 27 12:27
kparal	| in that case it sounds reasonable to treat them with high priority	Jul 27 12:27
adamw	| should we throw them on the f12alpha list now so we don't forget to talk about them at the meeting?	Jul 27 12:27
dpravec	| i had problems with virt-manager -> so now i am using only kvm :)	Jul 27 12:27
jlaska	| adamw: kparal: yeah definitely ... kparal won't be around for this friday's meeting too, so that's a good dbl check	Jul 27 12:28
adamw	| ok	Jul 27 12:28
kparal	| let's add them then	Jul 27 12:28
adamw	| i'll do it	Jul 27 12:28
kparal	| ok	Jul 27 12:28
jlaska	| thx	Jul 27 12:28
adamw	| done	Jul 27 12:28
jlaska	| any other questions/concerns/thoughts/hicu on Liam's install testing plans coming up this week?	Jul 27 12:28
jlaska	| alrighty ... stay tuned to the list	Jul 27 12:29
jlaska	| now on to a related topic ...	Jul 27 12:29
jlaska	| #topic Alpha blocker bug day#3	Jul 27 12:29
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: Alpha blocker bug day#3 (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:29
jlaska	| nothing earth shattering here ... just a reminder about bug day #3 this friday	Jul 27 12:30
jlaska	| adamw: wanted to give you a chance to share and things that worked well, or not so well, about the last 2 events?	Jul 27 12:30
jlaska	| s/and/any/	Jul 27 12:30
adamw	| i think they went fine really	Jul 27 12:30
adamw	| just the usual exhortation for anyone who sees a bug they think might be a blocker: put it on the list :)	Jul 27 12:31
* | poelcat really appreciates the email recaps		Jul 27 12:31
adamw	| that way you can be sure it'll be evaluated	Jul 27 12:31
jlaska	| I like meetbot :)	Jul 27 12:31
adamw	| or else, come out to the meeting and mention it there	Jul 27 12:31
jlaska	| in keeping with last week, should we identify who has (or wants) the ball(s) for this weeks bug day?	Jul 27 12:32
jlaska	| * send announcements	Jul 27 12:32
jlaska	| * send meeting summary	Jul 27 12:32
jlaska	|	Jul 27 12:32
jlaska	| anyone new interested in trying it out this week?	Jul 27 12:32
* | poelcat will send announcement		Jul 27 12:33
dpravec	| :)	Jul 27 12:33
jlaska	| poelcat: danke	Jul 27 12:33
jlaska	| points to whomever can come up with some good ascii art to kick off the meeting	Jul 27 12:33
adamw	| i can do the recap	Jul 27 12:34
jlaska	| adamw: thx!	Jul 27 12:34
* | dpravec will try ascii art		Jul 27 12:34
jlaska	| nice, just keep it clean ;)	Jul 27 12:34
jlaska	| #action poelcat to send blocker bug meeting announce	Jul 27 12:34
jlaska	| #action adamw to summarize blocker meeting	Jul 27 12:35
jlaska	| #action dpravec to try his hand at ascii art for blocker meeting	Jul 27 12:35
* | jlaska still playing w/ meetbot		Jul 27 12:35
dpravec	| is it for irc, right?	Jul 27 12:35
jlaska	| dpravec: you got it ... take a look at the SOP poelcat wrote ... https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Poelstra/blocker_bug_meeting_sop	Jul 27 12:35
dpravec	| hmm thats hard to do right :) some people have wrong fonts	Jul 27 12:35
* | poelcat notes sop is in draft status and needs to be finalized at some point		Jul 27 12:36
jlaska	| okay ... any other points to discuss on the blocker meeting coming up?	Jul 27 12:36
poelcat	| so feel free to use experiences learned thus far to make it better	Jul 27 12:36
* | jlaska isn't exactly sure of a clean consistent way to track the test blockers		Jul 27 12:36
jlaska	| poelcat: it's 1000x better than the SOP I didn't write :D	Jul 27 12:37
jlaska	| unless any other questions, changing gears shortly ...	Jul 27 12:38
jlaska	| alright, wwoods + dpravec ... I know it hasn't been a long time since our meeting, but if there are any AutoQA topics you'd like to discuss with the team ... we've got some time	Jul 27 12:39
jlaska	| #topic AutoQA update	Jul 27 12:39
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: AutoQA update (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:39
wwoods	| I'm writing a couple of longer things about this (a blog post and maybe some wiki docs)	Jul 27 12:39
jlaska	| wwoods: awesome!	Jul 27 12:39
wwoods	| but I've got 7/12 tests from the rawhide acceptance plan automated	Jul 27 12:39
dpravec	| last autotest packages have some problems, I posted something at https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/9#comment:32	Jul 27 12:40
wwoods	| I'm gonna try to rig something up to send out status emails / logs	Jul 27 12:40
Viking-Ice	| Hum cant we automate this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads	Jul 27 12:41
jlaska	| wwoods: I think there support for sending mails built into autotest	Jul 27 12:41
Viking-Ice	| as in the test	Jul 27 12:41
wwoods	| Viking-Ice: probably, yes, but that's outside the scope of israwhidebroken.com	Jul 27 12:41
dpravec	| wwoods: please ping me when your docs will be online	Jul 27 12:41
Viking-Ice	| yup	Jul 27 12:41
wwoods	| hopefully the wiki docs will give a good idea about how to write a test though	Jul 27 12:41
wwoods	| dpravec: will do	Jul 27 12:41
wwoods	| jlaska: oh excellent. I'd like to have some useful public test results between now and when we get a nice web frontend for this stuff	Jul 27 12:42
wwoods	| I'll give that a look	Jul 27 12:42
jlaska	| wwoods: I could be wrong, there is some email support in the global_config.ini packaged by autotest, we might just be able to update that	Jul 27 12:43
wwoods	| yeah, but if all it does is (e.g.) send out links to internal URLs for logs	Jul 27 12:43
wwoods	| then that's not gonna be real useful	Jul 27 12:43
wwoods	| so I'm not yet sure it'll be that simple	Jul 27 12:43
jlaska	| yeah, probably not in the short term	Jul 27 12:43
dpravec	| xmmp reporting might be sweet	Jul 27 12:44
dpravec	| i mean notifications about finished tasks	Jul 27 12:44
dpravec	| xmpp*	Jul 27 12:44
jlaska	| dpravec: thanks for the update on the packaging ... looks like a file went missing from the previous autotest package	Jul 27 12:44
wwoods	| dpravec: yeah, eventually we want to do a big Fedora Infrastructure Message Bus thing, so we get a signal about the completion of a new compose/build/whatever	Jul 27 12:44
wwoods	| and tests get kicked off	Jul 27 12:44
wwoods	| and then signals get sent about the test results	Jul 27 12:44
wwoods	| and so on. we'll get there eventually.	Jul 27 12:44
jlaska	| f13: do you have any cycles left for an autotest packaging update, or is that something dpravec and I should look into?	Jul 27 12:45
f13	| I'll look at it today	Jul 27 12:46
jlaska	| f13: sweet, thanks for the turn around	Jul 27 12:46
dpravec	| i will test them...	Jul 27 12:46
dpravec	| i mean if you do new packages	Jul 27 12:46
f13	| nod	Jul 27 12:47
jlaska	| cool, so I think that's it for AutoQA ... are there any other comments/concerns before moving to 'open mic night' ?	Jul 27 12:48
jlaska	| #topic <your topic here>	Jul 27 12:50
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f13	| I have a topic, mass rebuild	Jul 27 12:50
jlaska	| #topic open mic - <f13> mass rebuild	Jul 27 12:50
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open mic - <f13> mass rebuild (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 12:50
jlaska	| f13: you've got the mic	Jul 27 12:50
f13	| At some point this week, some 8K new builds will be tagged into rawhide	Jul 27 12:50
f13	| this is new arch (i686), new compression (XZ), new glibc, and new gcc.	Jul 27 12:51
f13	| should be exciting	Jul 27 12:51
f13	| we're going to need to look out for issues like this.	Jul 27 12:51
jlaska	| the perfect storm	Jul 27 12:51
wwoods	| there's a bit of a problem right now AFAIK - the rawhide RPM has been rebuilt twice	Jul 27 12:52
wwoods	| so if you don't already have the RPM with xz support	Jul 27 12:52
wwoods	| you can't upgrade	Jul 27 12:52
wwoods	| because all the packages are xz payload now	Jul 27 12:52
f13	| oh geez	Jul 27 12:52
f13	| didn't we go through this with the checksums too?	Jul 27 12:52
jlaska	| so this will require some manual jiggery to upgrade to rawhide?	Jul 27 12:52
f13	| and decided that having rpm itself need new rpm was a bad idea?	Jul 27 12:52
* | f13 would strongly push for rpm itself to be built with the old compression		Jul 27 12:53
adamw	| at least it's happening before the alpha	Jul 27 12:53
wwoods	| jlaska: well, no - the rpm package in F11 updates-testing is gzip payload with xz support	Jul 27 12:53
wwoods	| and using anaconda to upgrade is no problem, since anaconda will have xz support	Jul 27 12:54
wwoods	| the only place it's a problem is pre-rebuild rawhide -> post-rebuild rawhide	Jul 27 12:54
jlaska	| gotcha	Jul 27 12:55
wwoods	| a simple but ugly hack is to force the f11 package into the rawhide repo	Jul 27 12:55
jlaska	| #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/XZRpmPayloads	Jul 27 12:55
jlaska	| wwoods: f13: this may have already been done ... but is this a worthwhile candidate for the rawhide blog?	Jul 27 12:56
f13	| yes	Jul 27 12:56
wwoods	| yeah. if you force it with --nodeps you'll hose your system (unfortunately krh seems to have found this out the hard way)	Jul 27 12:57
jlaska	| doh!	Jul 27 12:57
jlaska	| okay so http://rawhidewatch.wordpress.com ... perhaps we can add that to the Feature page "how to test"? Not sure ... how else can we warn testers	Jul 27 12:57
wwoods	| right now AFAICT (I have no Rawhide systems so I'm guessing) the situation will look like this: you can't upgrade anything because of depsolving problems	Jul 27 12:57
wwoods	| the fix is, I guess, to install the RPM package from F11 updates-testing	Jul 27 12:58
jlaska	| anyone interested in taking that discussion to warren?	Jul 27 12:58
skvidal	| that would more or less be this bug	Jul 27 12:59
skvidal	| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5139372	Jul 27 12:59
buggbot	| Bug 5139372: was not found.	Jul 27 12:59
jlaska	| if no takers, I'll be happy to talk with warren after the meeting and see about testing wwoods idea	Jul 27 12:59
adamw	| i don't see why we can't just do f13's solution and have rpm in rawhide built with gzip compression and xz support, just like the one in f11	Jul 27 12:59
adamw	| it'd only cost a few kilobytes, surely	Jul 27 12:59
jlaska	| skvidal: is there an extra number in that bz?	Jul 27 12:59
warren	| ?	Jul 27 13:00
f13	| rpm and any of it's deps I guess	Jul 27 13:00
adamw	| hmm, true	Jul 27 13:00
skvidal	| https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=513937	Jul 27 13:00
buggbot	| Bug 513937: medium, low, ---, skvidal, NEW, missing dependencies	Jul 27 13:00
skvidal	| yes the 2	Jul 27 13:00
adamw	| that's bigger =)	Jul 27 13:00
jlaska	| skvidal: thx	Jul 27 13:00
skvidal	| sorry	Jul 27 13:00
wwoods	| I'm not sure how hard it is to disable xz payloads on a package-by-package basis	Jul 27 13:00
adamw	| well, 'all dependencies' makes it rather tricky anyway	Jul 27 13:00
adamw	| rpm has lots of deps :\	Jul 27 13:00
jlaska	| so stick with the f11-update 'workaround' for now?	Jul 27 13:01
f13	| adamw: enough deps that you can do a yum update rpm, yum update	Jul 27 13:01
jlaska	| can someone help with the summary for this?	Jul 27 13:02
adamw	| everybody's screwed?	Jul 27 13:03
jlaska	| heh	Jul 27 13:03
adamw	| that's my standard summary for everything, it's usually quite accurate =)	Jul 27 13:03
wwoods	| people using pre-alpha rawhide might notice that they can't upgrade due to dependency problems with rpm/glibc	Jul 27 13:03
wwoods	| (I don't have example messages, sorry)	Jul 27 13:04
jlaska	| wwoods: no worries ... and we'll recommend installing the f11-updates rpm to work around the issue for now?	Jul 27 13:04
wwoods	| it's because of the xz feature (link, brief explanation) - install f11 updates-testing rpm thusly as a workaround: [commandline]	Jul 27 13:04
wwoods	| yeah, that seems to be the recommended fix	Jul 27 13:04
jlaska	| okay, Ican take that	Jul 27 13:05
jlaska	| #action jlaska - talk to warren about a rawhidewatch post on rpm xz workaround for rawhide testers	Jul 27 13:05
jlaska	| okay folks ... if not other topics, let's close things out for the day	Jul 27 13:06
jlaska	| s/not/no/	Jul 27 13:06
* | jlaska likes extra letters		Jul 27 13:06
kparal	| well maybe the livecd issue?	Jul 27 13:06
Viking-Ice	| So is rawhidewatch @ wordpress supposed to be our official blog	Jul 27 13:06
Viking-Ice	| ?	Jul 27 13:06
jlaska	| #topic open mic - livecd issue	Jul 27 13:06
--- | zodbot has changed the topic to: open mic - livecd issue (Meeting topic: Fedora QA Meeting)		Jul 27 13:06
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: official? Hrmm, I guess it's the first thing that came to mind that would get the work out	Jul 27 13:07
adamw	| Viking-Ice: it's a place to report important issues with rawhide that require user intervention	Jul 27 13:07
adamw	| much like this one :)	Jul 27 13:07
warren	| rawhidewatch isn't very active right now because I'm not using rawhide yet, it doesn't work on my laptop at all	Jul 27 13:07
Viking-Ice	| I see so we can close the ticked in infra for official QA blog	Jul 27 13:07
adamw	| no, because that's not what it is	Jul 27 13:07
adamw	| qa covers more than just issues in rawhide which require user intervention	Jul 27 13:07
adamw	| we wouldn't post about, oh, test days on rawhidewatch	Jul 27 13:08
warren	| yup	Jul 27 13:08
warren	| exactly	Jul 27 13:08
Viking-Ice	| no then let's get a move on getting a fedora-qa wp instance from infra	Jul 27 13:08
kparal	| livecd issue: the current guide on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Live_Image is I believe not correct, because it uses F11 repos instead of Rawhide repos. you can see that if you follow the includes in the kickstart file.	Jul 27 13:08
Viking-Ice	| were we can have rawhide status etc	Jul 27 13:08
kparal	| sorry, will wait	Jul 27 13:09
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: hmm, maybe something to consider in the future ... it's a neat idea. But someone would need to investigate further and come back with recommendation/plan	Jul 27 13:10
adamw	| kparal: i believe you have the floor	Jul 27 13:10
kparal	| it's just a short note. those people building live images according to that script are in fact building images based on F11. Therefore I'm working on a best way how to modify it so that it is based on Rawhide	Jul 27 13:10
kparal	| if that's what's wanted for a test day	Jul 27 13:11
jlaska	| kparal: indeed, thanks! You caught me cheating in that script ... I often point to a local spins-kickstart.git repo when building test images	Jul 27 13:11
kparal	| :)	Jul 27 13:11
Viking-Ice	| jlaska: investigate what further	Jul 27 13:11
kparal	| and there are jlaska and awilliam extra repositories which i don't know if they are still needed	Jul 27 13:12
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: let's wait until kparal's finished, and we'll move to your topic	Jul 27 13:12
jlaska	| kparal: I usually toss extra packages not yet in koji on the repo url posted	Jul 27 13:13
jlaska	| and adamw includes rendercheck there as well for the X testing events	Jul 27 13:13
adamw	| kparal: nothing in my repos is needed for anything in f12.	Jul 27 13:13
adamw	| well, except rendercheck. =) i should update that build.	Jul 27 13:13
jlaska	| kparal: if we need to gut that page to make things clearer, feel free to give it a once over :)	Jul 27 13:13
kparal	| ok. it was just a note.	Jul 27 13:14
kparal	| releasing the mic :)	Jul 27 13:14
dpravec	| i want to thank you all for moving the meeting time from wensday (in that day i need to take care of my kids, so it was hard to pay attention to the channel)	Jul 27 13:14
jlaska	| heh ... releasing	Jul 27 13:14
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jlaska	| dpravec: you're welcome, glad this works better!	Jul 27 13:14
jlaska	| #topic open mic - qa blogs	Jul 27 13:14
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jlaska	| Viking-Ice: you mentioned a request to host qa blogs	Jul 27 13:14
Viking-Ice	| Yes trying to track down the ticket in infera	Jul 27 13:15
Viking-Ice	| in infra I mean	Jul 27 13:15
Viking-Ice	| it's been there since what f9 I think with no movement	Jul 27 13:15
jlaska	| is this something people see a need for now?	Jul 27 13:15
Viking-Ice	| Ok how are we delivering various need to know info to people?	Jul 27 13:16
Viking-Ice	| by mind power ?	Jul 27 13:16
jlaska	| basically through every channel possible right now	Jul 27 13:16
jlaska	| mailing list(s), fedora planet, fedora forums etc...	Jul 27 13:16
adamw	| jlaska, wwoods and I have our personal blogs on planet fedora	Jul 27 13:16
adamw	| and we blog about significant qa events	Jul 27 13:17
adamw	| so they get out via that method	Jul 27 13:17
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: you don't even blog do you?	Jul 27 13:17
jlaska	| ;)	Jul 27 13:17
adamw	| i'm not sure whether a qa team blog would get significantly more exposure...it might, but i'm not sure how to tell	Jul 27 13:17
Viking-Ice	| I dont blog	Jul 27 13:17
Viking-Ice	| well microblog perhaps	Jul 27 13:17
adamw	| btw, for anyone who doesn't know, anyone can get their blog on planet fedora	Jul 27 13:17
jlaska	| I know other open source projects have team blog aggregators	Jul 27 13:17
adamw	| there's a wiki page with instructions	Jul 27 13:17
* | dpravec needs to go today, see you all later		Jul 27 13:18
Viking-Ice	| We should have official blog	Jul 27 13:18
jlaska	| dpravec: take care	Jul 27 13:18
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: I like the idea of organizing the blogs of testers, but I'm not ready to put lots of time+effort into a team blog just yet	Jul 27 13:18
Viking-Ice	| instead of spreading the need to know info on various ( private blogs ) places on the internet	Jul 27 13:18
adamw	| a qa 'planet' might be a better idea	Jul 27 13:19
jlaska	| is there a way to aggregate the blogs ... right	Jul 27 13:19
jlaska	| that are already being posted?	Jul 27 13:19
adamw	| in my experience, team blogs often get neglected because no-one really takes responsibility for it	Jul 27 13:19
jlaska	| yeah I agree	Jul 27 13:19
jlaska	| but if we can continue doing what we already do ... and it's aggregated somewhere ... that seems like an easy win	Jul 27 13:19
adamw	| so if we could set up an aggregator and aggregate posts from qa team members, that might work best	Jul 27 13:20
Viking-Ice	| adamw: that just reflect poor management of those team	Jul 27 13:20
adamw	| Viking-Ice: true, but it's hard to push water uphill - always best to look for the path of least resistance (sorry for the management cliches :>)	Jul 27 13:20
jlaska	| hrmm, I guess that's one way of looking at it :)	Jul 27 13:20
f13	| I think aggregation is the best way to do "team blogs"	Jul 27 13:20
adamw	| the only downside of aggregation is we may get quite a lot of duplication	Jul 27 13:20
adamw	| five posts about the same event for e.g.	Jul 27 13:20
jlaska	| well, that at least agets the word out :)	Jul 27 13:21
f13	| like we don't already get that on planet fedora?	Jul 27 13:21
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: does this help provide focus for your existing infrastructure ticket?	Jul 27 13:21
adamw	| f13: yes, we do - that doesn't mean it's not a drawback. :)	Jul 27 13:21
Viking-Ice	| team aggregation is not a solutions	Jul 27 13:22
Viking-Ice	| a solution from my perspective+	Jul 27 13:22
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: it's a solution that has the support of the team	Jul 27 13:22
* | kparal thinks blogs aggregation can't hurt		Jul 27 13:23
jlaska	| Viking-Ice: do you want to update the existing ticket ... or is someone else interested in driving this with the infrastructure team?	Jul 27 13:24
Viking-Ice	| then go ahead with it and close bug 489801	Jul 27 13:24
buggbot	| Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=489801 medium, low, ---, notting, NEW, [RFE] rss reader + notification bubble	Jul 27 13:24
jlaska	| hmm, I'm not planning to close any bugs	Jul 27 13:25
jlaska	| okay, it'll be an open action item for anyone interested	Jul 27 13:25
jlaska	| #action - fedora QA planet aggregated blogs?	Jul 27 13:25
jlaska	| okay gang ... let's close it out	Jul 27 13:25
jlaska	| #topic closing for business	Jul 27 13:25
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jlaska	| thanks for your time everyone :)	Jul 27 13:26
jlaska	| #endmeeting	Jul 27 13:26
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jlaska	| I'll follow-up to the list later this afternoon with some minutes	Jul 27 13:26
f13	| cheers.	Jul 27 13:28
* | kparal goes home, bye		Jul 27 13:29

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