QA/Meetings/20100802

Attendees

People present (lines said):

1. jlaska (75)
2. wwoods (29)
3. j_dulaney (23)
4. kparal (18)
5. vaschenb (8)
6. zodbot (6)
7. fenris02 (4)

Unable to attend:

1. Liam
2. Rhe
3. Newgle1
4. Adamwill

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

1. User:j_dulaney discussed possible proventesters from his OS class

F14 Alpha test milestones

Owner - User:jlaska

Summary

F-14 Alpha test compose CD and DVD images are available for test (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3856)

Testing currently blocked by RHBZ #620274

Next steps...

Create F-14-Alpha 'test compose #2' with newer anaconda (anaconda-devel and rel-eng)

Help testing the F14 Alpha installer (qa)

Help testing the F14 Alpha desktop (qa)

Accepting Test Day Proposals

Owner - User:adamw

Summary

Adamw notes that we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in.

Current list of proposed test days

Next steps...

Propose a test day topic

Add planned events to the test day schedule

AutoQA update

Owner - User:wwoods

Summary

vaschenb's helloworld patch committed, kparal followed up with some cleanup to address bugs

kparal's control.autoqa patchset accepted into master. Enables multihook tests, new test scheduling and autotest labels support (i.e. "all inclusive"). More details available at Managing_autotest_labels

Next steps...

Wwoods continuing to test jskladan's proposed AutoQA base class patch set

Update Writing_AutoQA_Tests once pending patchsets have been pushed to master

Upgrade path test -- autoqa ticket#123

Build depcheck unittest scenarios -- autoqa ticket#202

More depcheck activities (see roadmap)

Upcoming QA events

• 2010-07-29 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
• 2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
• 2010-08-05 - Test Alpha Candidate
• 2010-08-06 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #4

Action items

1. adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Aug 2 15:00:01 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Gathering in the lobby	15:00
jlaska	Will wait a few minutes for folks to join	15:00
* kparal joins on time		15:00
* fenris02 waves		15:00
jlaska	kparal: fenris02 vaschenb hi there :)	15:00
* vaschenb uff, 1 minute delay :-)		15:00
fenris02	g'morning	15:00
* jlaska notes ... adamw won't be around today ... today is Civic day in Canada		15:01
jlaska	if we see adamw respond in the meeting, we get to shush him ... he's supposed to be taking the day off	15:01
* j_dulaney is a pirate today		15:01
jlaska	j_dulaney: pirates welcome	15:01
j_dulaney	sweet	15:01
jlaska	vaschenb: adjusting to life back in Brno?	15:02
vaschenb	jlaska: everything is so fast and every drink is alcohol-free :-D	15:02
kparal	jlaska: I can tell you vaschenb now lacks a lot of wine :)	15:02
jlaska	haha	15:03
jlaska	well, glad to have you back	15:03
vaschenb	kparal: psst :-)	15:03
jlaska	I think wwoods is lurking ... we may need to lure him out with some treats	15:03
j_dulaney	.bacon	15:04
zodbot	I love bacon, you love bacon, WE ALL LOVE BACON!	15:04
jlaska	that should do it, as long as it's soy bacon	15:04
jlaska	okay ... let's get started	15:04
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:05
* wwoods appears in a puff of vegetarian bacon		15:05
jlaska	eeew	15:05
jlaska	:)	15:05
jlaska	first, kparal, many thanks for wiki-zing the minutes from last week	15:05
jlaska	I have an item for adamw and I, but I'll save that for when he's back	15:05
jlaska	only other item ...	15:06
kparal	jlaska: ah, I really wasn't good at it	15:06
jlaska	#info j_dulaney discussed possible proventesters from his OS class	15:06
jlaska	j_dulaney: any updates on this topic?	15:06
j_dulaney	Classes start up late August	15:06
jlaska	kparal: funny, I think the same thing about my notes each week too!	15:06
j_dulaney	I want to say around the 22nd	15:07
jlaska	okay ... anything you'd need in prep for classes?	15:07
jlaska	feel free to raise in the meetings here, or on the list	15:07
j_dulaney	Not sure just yet, still trying to work that out with Mr. Edwards.	15:08
jlaska	Like adamw mentioned last time, we've had some experience with organizing QA events in a university setting ... but always looking for more opportunities	15:08
j_dulaney	I'm thinking you'll get a flood of proventester requests	15:08
j_dulaney	Of course, this is also assuming that enough people sign up for the class, which hasn't always happened.	15:09
jlaska	okay, as we get closer, we may want to come up with some ideas to quickly process the flood	15:09
j_dulaney	Righteo. I'll keep up on this end	15:10
jlaska	j_dulaney: cool, let us know how we can help :)	15:10
jlaska	alright ... a few quick #topic updates ...	15:10
j_dulaney	Roger	15:10
jlaska	#topic F-14 Alpha Test Compose -- it's dead Jim	15:11
fenris02	is there a new anaconda image coming rsn?	15:11
jlaska	#info F-14 Alpha test compose CD and DVD images are available for test (see https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/3856)	15:11
j_dulaney	I still have not been able to succeed in yum updating to it	15:11
kparal	dead Jim?	15:12
jlaska	fenris02: there is a new anaconda already in koji ... I'll need ot catch up with anaconda-devel to see if an even newer version is expected	15:12
j_dulaney	Star Trek	15:12
kparal	meaning it's completely broken?	15:12
jlaska	#info Current F-14-Alpha blockers - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=611990&hide_resolved=1	15:12
fenris02	kparal, yes. py fail on bootup	15:12
jlaska	kparal: yeah ... there's a ugly remnant of the python-2.7 migration ..	15:12
kparal	fenris02: alright. little less work for me then :)	15:12
jlaska	.bug 620274	15:12
zodbot	jlaska: Bug 620274 pyconfig-32.h is missing, anaconda fails - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620274	15:12
jlaska	I'll try an updates.img after the meeting (although this might not be updates.img-able)	15:13
j_dulaney	I posted a similar bug, let me see if I can find it	15:13
jlaska	will post to the mailing list if that helps get tests further along	15:13
jlaska	so stay tuned ... we'll likely have new media for testing fairly soon	15:15
j_dulaney	.bug 620082	15:15
zodbot	j_dulaney: Bug 620082 Python dependance broken. - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=620082	15:15
jlaska	#info Testing currently blocked bug 620274	15:15
jlaska	j_dulaney: your bug is different, but similar to what newgle posted on the install matrix (I think) ...	15:16
jlaska	j_dulaney: still more fall-out from python-2.7	15:16
jlaska	so stay tuned gang ...	15:16
j_dulaney	Indeed	15:16
jlaska	#topic Accepting Test Day Proposals	15:17
jlaska	As adamw noted during open-discussion last week ...	15:17
jlaska	#info Adamw notes that we're looking very light on test days for this cycle, so if anyone has any ideas, please pitch in	15:17
jlaska	Hurry (rhe) gets the prize for the first F-14 test day on the schedule	15:17
jlaska	#info Installer translation/keyboard test day scheduled (see http://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/112)	15:17
jlaska	Only thing I wanted to point out here was that we have a few proposals for events	15:18
jlaska	#info Current proposed test days -- https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&component=Test+Day&milestone=Fedora+14&order=priority	15:18
jlaska	But if you have a good idea for a test day, or want to host one ... please submit an idea	15:19
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Test_Days/Create	15:19
jlaska	alright ... flying through the agenda today	15:19
jlaska	#topic AutoQA package acceptance update	15:19
jlaska	Quite a bit of movement in recent days ... wwoods, can you walk through recent updates and next steps?	15:20
wwoods	well, we've been working on some patches to lay groundwork we need for advanced testing	15:20
wwoods	kparal wrote some patches that rework how tests handle their arguments and how they can label themselves as requiring certain capabilities	15:21
wwoods	like what arch they want to run on or whether they need virt capabilities	15:21
kparal	or distro	15:22
wwoods	right	15:22
jlaska	there's a friendly wiki doc for that ...	15:22
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Managing_autotest_labels	15:22
wwoods	it lets the tests use various labels that we've defined in autotest for the test hosts	15:22
wwoods	which is awesome. there was also a patch from jskladan that moved all the tests to using a common base class	15:23
wwoods	which lets us define some default behaviors for autoqa tests, like sending mail and/or reporting to a future resultdb	15:23
wwoods	without having to add code to every test	15:23
wwoods	which is also awesome	15:23
* j_dulaney likes less work		15:23
wwoods	and (IIRC) vaschenb wrote a 'helloworld' test that we can use to be sure that tests are running properly	15:24
kparal	the changes are not really documented on our wiki yet	15:24
jlaska	that is a nice improvement ... I was getting worried with maintaining all that results mail code in each test	15:24
wwoods	which has been really useful in testing all the (fairly invasive) changes we've made here	15:24
wwoods	so - huge thanks to kparal, jskladan, and vaschenb for all their work	15:25
wwoods	there's more than this but those are the hilights for the moment	15:25
j_dulaney	When can we expect some Wiki love so that us newbs can get in on the fun?	15:25
wwoods	so the next steps are to finish testing, merge the code into the master branch, and write some docs on the new changes	15:25
kparal	j_dulaney: sure. in the meantime just look at the doc/ directory	15:25
kparal	(that is new there)	15:26
j_dulaney	kparal: Roger	15:26
wwoods	once the new code is deployed I'm going to resume work on getting depcheck up and running as promised	15:26
jlaska	jskladan mentioned he was looking into updating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Writing_AutoQA_Tests once those patches all land in master	15:26
wwoods	I think I saw some test code kicking around - using rpmfluff(?) to generate RPMs with certain dependency structures that we can use as tests cases	15:27
* kparal has a question		15:27
wwoods	so that'll probably be the next major target - using various resources (like https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Updates_Lessons) to design test cases for depcheck	15:27
wwoods	to make sure it's handling everything as expected	15:27
j_dulaney	I was going to work on that, but my lack of python knowledge got in the way	15:27
* j_dulaney is working on learning Python		15:28
kparal	wwoods: what's the current status of post-bodhi-update hook?	15:28
wwoods	there are a lot of other important things in the works - they might be able to be done in parallel with that effort, if we have enough free time. but we'll see.	15:28
wwoods	kparal: should be merged and functional, I believe?	15:28
wwoods	if it's not, we should fix that. it has a couple of known shortcomings but should be good enough for what we want to do	15:29
wwoods	and now that we can have multihook tests we can wire up rpmlint/rpmdiff there, if we like	15:29
kparal	wwoods: well I thought it's not finished yet. I'll look tomorrow, now I'm remotely connected	15:29
wwoods	kparal: I'll check and make sure it's there - I haven't gotten to testing it yet	15:30
jlaska	vaschenb: have you had a chance to start thinking about designing depcheck unittests?	15:30
wwoods	it will be tested and confirmed working before we push new code to production	15:30
kparal	wwoods: but everything should be already in master, right?	15:30
vaschenb	jlaska: not yet, now i'm working on upgradepath test	15:31
vaschenb	jlaska: but some skeleton I already made, but I need more specific information...	15:31
jlaska	vaschenb: oh right, forgot about that test (https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/123)	15:31
wwoods	kparal: I thought it was	15:32
kparal	jlaska: I think vaschenb will be our upgrade path guy nowadays, so I can look at rpmfluff instead	15:32
wwoods	kparal: hooks/post-bodhi-update exists in master, anyway	15:32
wwoods	the code at least exists - whether or not it Does The Right Thing is unsure	15:33
jlaska	kparal: vaschenb: exciting, sounds like a plan	15:33
vaschenb	jlaska: so upgradepath test is not my business now?	15:33
kparal	vaschenb: I believe it is :)	15:33
vaschenb	kparal: me too :-)	15:33
jlaska	vaschenb: correction, sounds like you have the upgrade path, and kparal was going to take depcheck unit tests	15:33
jlaska	did I get that right?	15:33
kparal	yep	15:33
vaschenb	jlaska: ok, now I understand, uff :-)	15:33
jlaska	roger ... okay ... back to wwoods	15:34
* jlaska </tangent>		15:34
j_dulaney	Ooh, squirrel	15:34
kparal	hey, I'm loosing you	15:34
jlaska	wwoods: anything else you wanted to include today?	15:35
wwoods	that's all I had in mind for the near future - there's more, of course, but we'll have another meeting before we get to any of that	15:36
jlaska	roger, alright ... thanks for the update gang	15:37
jlaska	#topic Open Discussion - <your topic here>	15:37
jlaska	Any open discussion items this week?	15:37
jlaska	if not ... we'll close this puppy out and let everyone get back to rockin!	15:38
* j_dulaney notes that he already has Oasis going		15:39
j_dulaney	Looks like we have a buggout in progress.	15:40
jlaska	alrighty, let's close it out	15:41
jlaska	thanks gang ... talk to you all online :)	15:41
jlaska	as usual, I'll send the minutes to the list	15:41
jlaska	#endmeeting	15:41

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