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<h1>IRC Log of FAmSco Meeting - 2008-02-29</h1>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">good, i think we can start</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*spevack just got out of his previous meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Please call roll:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">FrancescoUgolini</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">fugolini: rodrigopadula@gmail.com = Gtalk ocarado102@msn.com = MESSENGER</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">JohnBabich</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">MaxSpevack</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">JeffreyTadlock</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">AndreasR</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">Andreas Rau</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Rodrigo Padula</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Good, we are enough :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">First of all: Meeting Agenda</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1. Chair comunications</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2. Max comunications</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3. other questions (if we will have time)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, first issue</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I will be brief.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">As you read we will have weekly meeting, instead of biweekly</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ones, so we will try to organize ourselves to help people who have time problem to join them at least two times a month</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Have you questions?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I think all it's clear we will discuss, if it would be necessary, in the list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">iWolf:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">It is going to be Friday?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #488888">iWolf</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #488888">eof</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">We could rotate from friday to another day (please visit FAmSCo meeting calendar to add your preferences)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">But i think i took a lot of time, now i think we have to hear what Max has to say. eof</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">spevack:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok, well i have probably a few things to say</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so feel free to just jump in any time with questions or comments</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I ask myself "what is the best service that FAMSCO can provide to the Ambassadors community"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and i ask myself</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">what are the opportunities that famsco has *today* that it did not have one year ago</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">one of the things that I have always wanted famsco to take an active leadership role in</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">has been directly giving resources to local ambassadors</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and then holding those ambassadors accountable for how they use those resources</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in the past, this was very difficult</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">there was limited budget</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and all of that budget kind of went through me.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Now, many of these problems have gone away</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">So I would like to start by talking about the "Ambassadors and Events" budget for the coming year</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and make sure that all of FAMSCO understands it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*then* we can talk about how we will (a) maximize the usage of that budget and (b) how we will "prove" that we generated value for Fedora from that budget</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">any questions so far?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">ok</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">go on, i'm understanding</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">everyone go here</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685"><a href="http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Expenses">http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommunityArchitecture/Expenses</a></td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">there are several line items in that budget that DIRECTLY impact Ambassadors</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*mdomsch has quit ("Leaving")</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">The first are the "large events" that we specifically make separate entries for</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FUDCon @ Red Hat Summit in Boston</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Large FUDCon in Europe</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora @ Linux Conf .AU</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora @ FISL in Brazil</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora @ LinuxTag</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Fedora @ FOSDEM</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">The role of FAMSCO here is relatively straightforward</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(1) Ensure that there are *local* teams that take the organizational responsibility for these events</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">For things like LinuxTag, this is done.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">For things like FISL, we have guys like Rodrigo who have taken leadership roles.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">For something like Linux Conf .AU, the "local leader" is less clear</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and identifying people and empowering those people is something FAMSCO can help with.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">In *each case*, someone from the Red Hat Community Architecture team is also responsible for helping to make this happen.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">The Red Hat community architecture team is me, Greg DeKoenigsberg, and Jack Aboutboul.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Greg is focusing on Latin America -- he has been working with David barzilay and Rodrigo about FISL</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">My focus is going to be on Europe</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in fact, Red Hat will be moving me to live in Europe so that I can devote myself entirely to being the community leader and community builder for Fedora and Red Hat in EMEA.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">The Asia community is less clear -- there are a number of people in that region who have lots of energy -- and one of our challenges will be to make sure the budget for Linux Conf .aU is well spent</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b">warren</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #4b904b">spevack, wow</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but that is all i want to say about the big shows right now</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93">EvilBob</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #4d4d93">Rock On Max!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">a second area where FAMSCO can be a *HUGE HELP* is in the line item that says</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">"Global Events and Swag"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the budget for this item is modest -- $12k USD per quarter</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but that is still *much more* than we have ever had to spend on general global event coverage than before.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in *my* opinion</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">you are right</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">our goal should be to make sure that the FedoraEvents page is as complete as it can be, and that every single event on that page receives some level of support from FAMSCO</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">Famsco's job is</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(1) identify a leader for each event -- again, the focus should always be on empowering local people to organize</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(2) figuirng out the level of resources that each event needs, and *balancing* those requests to map to the budget that we have set aside</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">*this* is the area that we have always failed at before</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FAMSCo could never make decisions of "Event A is more important than Event B" because it was never clear what the total budget was</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">But now it is clear -- $12k per quarter for everything that is not otherwise noted</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I'll stop now and take questions -- my fingers hurt</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">RodrigoPadula:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">in Brazil we have a lot of bi regional events</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">one in the Amazonic states .... another in the Northeast</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">Central</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and South = FISL</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">in october or november we will have tha Latinoware</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">a Latin American big event in FOz do Iguacu - Brazil</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">RodrigoPadula: are all of those on the FedoraEvents page?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">yes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">in this year i would like to realize the II Latin American Ambassadors and Users Conference</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i think that is all excellent.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">i have support from the event organization for 4 Latin american Ambassador (probably Argentina, Chile, Venezuela, Mexico)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">and for 2 Brazilian Ambassador</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">including: hotel, air tickets and others</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so, can we add this event in the BIG EVENTS LIST ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">With the same budget for each one?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">RodrigoPadula: here is what we can and should do</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">we need budget to booth, midias and others stuffs like banners, flyers</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(1) the "big events list" for this year has been set. It is what you see. But, I think it is in the best interest of *all Fedora Ambassadors* to have FAMSCO take the $12k USD for "global events and swag" and turn that into a more specific list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">much in the same way the engineers do</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">for the</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">in my opinio... the LATINOWARE is most important local event in South America</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">features that go into Fedora</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">more than FISL</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">RodrigoPadula: i wish you had told us that long ago :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FAMSCO needs to say:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in public</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">to all ambassadors</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">is the same</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">"here is the money we have to spend"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">like 5.000</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and we will make our decisions based on the FedoraEvents page</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">does that make sense?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">ok</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yes, i really agree with you</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FAMSCO's job is to (1) prioritize events</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(2) resource those events based on priority</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(3) determine the metrics that are used to judge whether an event was successful or not</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(4) learn from the current year when it comes time to plan for the next year</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(5) Always seek to put accountability into the hands of Local Ambassadors</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we have separate meetings now for North America, Europe, etc.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">FAMSCO must tie those all together.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">EOF</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">great</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Have you qestions (before mine)?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">eof</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">well</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">my last comment is</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">what we are going to do week by week to achieve those 5 goals.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but that is actually dividing up work. first we must agree on the goals :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i want to ask just few things about this plan:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">go ahead</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">the parameters we will use to prioritize will be decided by FAmSCo,</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">after we have to make metrics</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">with those ones.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">*we will</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">it's right?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">because to make metrics we need some parameters</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">eof</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the question we must ask is this:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if we spend any amount of money to go to hold a fedora event</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">anywhere in the world</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">what did we get out of it?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if people come to our booth, take a CD, leave, and never even install Fedora</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">then it was a waste</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if a few people install Fedora, then there is minimal value</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if we can make even 1 person *passionate* enough about fedora</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">that they want to join our community and move from being a *consumer* to a *producer* then we are beginning to be successful</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">similarly</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">there is huge value, in my opinion, to having a few larger events that are used as a place for all Fedora people in a region to come toger</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">er, together.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">things like FUDcon or Fedora Ambassador Days</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the *positive energy* generated at those events</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">is the energey that keeps the community going</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">yep</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but in short, Francesco</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if someone says "I want $1000 for event Foo"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we need to know what they intend to "get" for their $1000</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and how they will demonstrate that it was a good decision for us to give it.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and this is the same thing that I face</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">to get the budget from Red Hat</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">if I cannot go back at the end of the year and prove the value of doing all these things, then they will say "what is the point of having max here?" :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">ok, i understood :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">this is why Event Reports are so important to me</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">can you create a Report Template for this ?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I would like someone to ask the community "if you are the leader of an event, what is the way that you want to report back to the community the results of that event"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and a "report template" will come out of that discussion</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">so, i can send to you all report from past to tje future events</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i was working on a "video" guide for ambassadors, one of the topic i want to explain is how to make a good report</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">does someone want to take this action item?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think it would better to list all the tasks</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">fugolini: ok.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">thanks</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so maybe i should say "are there more questions on what i have said. or should we move on to other topics so i don't steal the whole meeting?"</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">go on</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">AndreasR</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">thanks max, for me the next option is fine</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">jmbuser:</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">spevack: What I understand is that this part of the push (which I think is a good thing) t measure what can be measured, am I right?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: yes</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">the way i see it</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">in the past year we had enough budget to do "a few things"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">now we have argued for several times that budget</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f">fab_a</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #97974f">hi guys</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but with that additional money comes a requirement to be more rigorous in determining how well we are spending the money :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">spevack: agreed</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but doing it in a way that is palatable to the community</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">spevack: That was my point - we have to remember to keep the ideals of the community foremost in our minds at the same time</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: Absolutely.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">jmbuser: by accepting leadership roles in the community</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">eof</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we can move on</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we have a responsibility to serve both the community, but also to understand that Daddy Shadowman holds people like me and Greg accountable</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so the Fedora leaders are the bridge between the two</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">which is a hard job, but a rewarding one</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">may i say one more thing?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">to all of you</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">AndreasR</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">sure</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I am very excited about the fact that Ambassadors in general has more opportunities (because of more budget) to do things all over the world this year</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but one of the things i have been thinking a lot about</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and worrying a lot about</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">is how we can do this in a way where power and responsibility can be taken out of my hands and given directly to you guys</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i don't want to just sit here and say "here is how it will be"</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">I want to help you guys build that relationship with all of Fedor aambassadors worldwide</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">(it just so happens that part of my job will be specifically to help out in Europe)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so i need you guys</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">to tell me the best way that I can be useful to you!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">so far, all i have done is gotten a bunch more money</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">but i need you to tell me what i should do with it, to some extent :)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">EOF</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a">AndreasR</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #8c4a4a">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Yes, i think you are right. Maybe we have to make this relationship more durable than FAmSCo one, we stay on charge only a year</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and we need continuity.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">+1\\</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Someone trusts on us but can we guarantee for the future?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think we have to define strictly our jobs into the FAmSCo</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">but moreover if we</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">will start this experience i think we will have the attention of all community</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and the greatest people will be able to distingush themselves</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">as you say we have to make our work clear and i think people will help us</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">this year will be a great year for Fedora In Brazil and in all Latin American, i will send more informations at FAMSCO's list</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Max, i can assure that this FAmSCo will be a good partner</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #818144">jmbuser</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #818144">+1</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">today you give the course, now we have to be able to follow this</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">fugolini: i have huge faith in all of you</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">we will work together</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and work transparently with all ambassadors</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">fugolini: what is the next topic?</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">we will continue the discussion over the "tasks" in the M-L</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I am trying to represent well the Fedora in latin america. We are developing and evolving throughout America with a wide exchange of experiences!</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e">RodrigoPadula</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #42427e">I am leading several initiatives and ideas. I think they can be copied by many countries to create local and regional communities</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Just to things</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">*two</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">fabian sent an email with some</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">obsolete pages that we have to update, personally i will try to update as more as possible but it's necessary the help of the people</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2.</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">For the Ambassadors Award we need some metrics before</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">and i think the events metrics could be a good base to make community metrics</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">I know some people aren't happy to see this, but it's a natural step for a project that it's evolving</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3. We will create the first poster with Ambassadors Thougt</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">now i have just to define with Nicubunu the layout (he is helping me in this initiative).</td></tr>
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<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">It would be better to see in each booth the "Ambassadors Voice" poster (with cool graphics)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">Now it's your time, i think nothing is more important than max issue</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think the next meeting will be different</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">if we consider the new way FAmSCo will assume</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">i would like us to use this week to think about "concrete" tasks that we want to do with Ambassadors Project</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">talk on the mailing lists</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and next week see what gets the most support</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">sure, i'm just thinking :) (really)</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">and figure out how to implement it</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*spevack has fingers that hurt from so much typing</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">good, i invite all FAmSCo members to send their ideas</td></tr>
<tr><td class="action" colspan="3">*fab_a is now known as fabian_a</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">i think if nobody has something to say we can adjourn the meeting</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">3</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">2</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #854685">spevack</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #854685">thank you all for coming</td></tr>
<tr><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40">fugolini</th><td class="text" colspan="2" style="color: #407a40">1</td></tr>
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