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* Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation?
  (tk009, 15:13:21)
  * Tentatively set for 2009-11-12, when the release has been staged to the mirrors. Will update when information becomes available.
* Triage Metrics - Any updates or information?  (tk009, 15:18:07)
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/triage/  (adamw, 15:22:24)
  * no new information on this topic.
* Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change.  (tk009,
  15:24:22)
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
  * We will revisit this topic on 2009-11-10.
  * (tentatively 2009-11-12) change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged
  * (tentatively 2009-11-12) change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text.
* Open Floor - Your topic here.  (tk009, 15:30:49)
  * Bug Triage Event
    * Discussed the up coming Bug Triage Event scheduled for 2009-10-30 at 1500 UTC
    * tk009 will send an Event announcement to f-t-l.
 
* Bug Zappers Housekeeping
    * Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12
    * Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12#Warning_to_Package_Maintainers
    * Send out "Warning to Package Maintainers" email.
   
* ACTION: tk009 to complete and send the housekeeping developer
    warning email  (tk009, 15:40:53)
Meeting ended at 15:44:39 UTC.
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== Attendees ==
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* [http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00667.html]
* [http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-October/msg00667.html Agenda]




== Meeting Topics ==
== Meeting Topics ==


# Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation? (tk009, 15:13:21)
''' Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation? '''
* Tentatively set for 2009-11-12, when the release has been staged to the mirrors. Will update when information becomes available.
* Tentatively set for 2009-11-12, when the release has been staged to the mirrors. Will update when information becomes available.


# Triage Metrics - Any updates or information? (tk009, 15:18:07)
''' Triage Metrics - Any updates or information? '''
  * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/triage/   (adamw, 15:22:24)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/triage/
  * no new information on this topic.
* no new information on this topic.


* Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change. (tk009,
''' Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change. '''
  15:24:22)
* LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
  * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
* We will revisit this topic on 2009-11-10.
  * We will revisit this topic on 2009-11-10.
* (tentatively 2009-11-12) change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged
  * (tentatively 2009-11-12) change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged
* (tentatively 2009-11-12) change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text.
  * (tentatively 2009-11-12) change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text.


* Open Floor - Your topic here. (tk009, 15:30:49)
''' Open Floor - Your topic here. '''
* Bug Triage Event
''' Bug Triage Event '''
    * Discussed the up coming Bug Triage Event scheduled for 2009-10-30 at 1500 UTC
* Discussed the up coming Bug Triage Event scheduled for 2009-10-30 at 1500 UTC
    * tk009 will send an Event announcement to f-t-l.
* tk009 will send an Event announcement to f-t-l.
    
    
* Bug Zappers Housekeeping
''' Bug Zappers Housekeeping '''
    * Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12
* Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12
    * Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12#Warning_to_Package_Maintainers
* Link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora12#Warning_to_Package_Maintainers
    * Send out "Warning to Package Maintainers" email.
* Send out "Warning to Package Maintainers" email.
 
 
= Action Items =
 
* tk009 to complete and send "Warning to Package Maintainers" email to f-d-l.
* tk009 will send the Bug Triage Event announcement to f-t-l.
 
== IRC Transcript ==


= Action items =
{|
|- id="t15:09:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting
|| [[#t15:09:23|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:23"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Tue Oct 27 15:09:23 2009 UTC.  The chair is tk009. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t15:09:23|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:23"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:09:23|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | bugzappers meeting, how all is here
|| [[#t15:09:36|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:37"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | morning
|| [[#t15:09:37|15:09]]
|- id="t15:09:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | morning =)
|| [[#t15:09:51|15:09]]
|- id="t15:10:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | SMParrish
| style="color: #854685" | morning all
|| [[#t15:10:34|15:10]]
|- id="t15:10:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | morning
|| [[#t15:10:39|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | well not a big crowd today
|| [[#t15:11:09|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:30"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | iarlyy might be coming i think
|| [[#t15:11:30|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:35"
| colspan="2" | * iarlyy here now
|| [[#t15:11:35|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:40"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | hi all
|| [[#t15:11:40|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:56"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Mystic Adam will pick your lottery numbers for $10
|| [[#t15:11:56|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:25"
| colspan="2" | * thomasj here as well
|| [[#t15:12:25|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:33"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | morning/afternoon all
|| [[#t15:12:33|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:44"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | morning you two
|| [[#t15:12:44|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | okay first up I guess is
|| [[#t15:12:56|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:16"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | thomasj
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | yeah $DAY_OF_TIME to you all ;)
|| [[#t15:13:16|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation?
|| [[#t15:13:21|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:35"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | thomasj
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | meouw time_of_day
|| [[#t15:13:35|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | let me go look at the calendar
|| [[#t15:13:42|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | just a sec
|| [[#t15:13:44|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I liked day of time better =)
|| [[#t15:13:53|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:03"
| colspan="2" | * thomasj grabs more coffe :)
|| [[#t15:14:03|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:42"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | hmm, nope. not listed on there
|| [[#t15:14:42|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:55"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | Oxf13: around? what's the date for rawhide switchover to being f13, on the current schedule?
|| [[#t15:14:55|15:14]]
|- id="t15:16:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | oh well. :) that's the question: the day rawhide stops being f12 and starts being f13 is the day for the semantic change
|| [[#t15:16:19|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | =)
|| [[#t15:16:27|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jwb
| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw, usually after the release has been staged to the mirrors
|| [[#t15:16:35|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:39"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | which, to remind everyone, means you stop setting triaged bugs to ASSIGNED and start using the Triaged keyword instead
|| [[#t15:16:39|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I have seen some bugs already have it
|| [[#t15:16:57|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:05"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | jwb: thanks, so that'd be 2009-11-12
|| [[#t15:17:05|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | jwb
| style="color: #4b904b" | sounds right within a margin of +/- a few days
|| [[#t15:17:35|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | tk009: yeah, we did say people could go ahead and use it as well as ASSIGNED if they liked, but the change date is when we all should switch for all rawhide bugs
|| [[#t15:17:35|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | kk =)
|| [[#t15:17:51|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Triage Metrics - Any updates or information?
|| [[#t15:18:07|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | no comphappy nor have I heard from him
|| [[#t15:18:23|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | has anyone else?
|| [[#t15:18:29|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | hey so after 2009-11-12 we get start with triaged keyword
|| [[#t15:18:29|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | yes
|| [[#t15:18:39|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | you could be doing it now if you like
|| [[#t15:18:49|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | as adamw said
|| [[#t15:18:55|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:26"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, nothing from Comet Comphappy here either
|| [[#t15:19:26|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I jsut want/need to know how he obtained the data
|| [[#t15:19:51|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:31"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | if it's not in the code, i'm not sure
|| [[#t15:20:31|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | that last code I saw it was not
|| [[#t15:21:00|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:06"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | cebbert
| style="color: #4d4d93" | ok, here now
|| [[#t15:21:06|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | it was just python for displaying the information
|| [[#t15:21:22|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | nothing about gathering that i saw
|| [[#t15:21:29|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:29"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | metrics has a trac instance?
|| [[#t15:21:29|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:36"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | isn't? what addr?
|| [[#t15:21:36|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | it does but nothing is there
|| [[#t15:22:12|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, it's in triage trac i think?
|| [[#t15:22:12|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | just a sec
|| [[#t15:22:12|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:24"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | https://fedorahosted.org/triage/
|| [[#t15:22:24|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:48"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i guess we can throw him an email and hope for the best
|| [[#t15:23:48|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | moving on
|| [[#t15:24:04|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change.
|| [[#t15:24:22|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | this is really about the lifecycle image. soething that was never finished
|| [[#t15:24:49|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I assume that will change yet again
|| [[#t15:24:59|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | only a minor change
|| [[#t15:25:08|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | do the wiki information need any changes?
|| [[#t15:25:33|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:41"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | what would be "semantics change"..
|| [[#t15:25:41|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:50"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | iarlyy: as we discussed above
|| [[#t15:25:50|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I should of added a link for that
|| [[#t15:25:56|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:02"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | ops
|| [[#t15:26:02|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | iarlyy: using the Triaged keyword, not ASSIGNED state, to indicate triaged bugs
|| [[#t15:26:03|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:04"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | x)
|| [[#t15:26:04|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | only it?
|| [[#t15:26:07|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:12"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yes, that's all
|| [[#t15:26:12|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:38"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | on the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow page we'd only have to change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged
|| [[#t15:26:38|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:58"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | and then change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text
|| [[#t15:26:58|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:02"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | pretty simple
|| [[#t15:27:02|15:27]]
|- id="t15:29:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | well nothing to change right away, will keep it in mind for meeting on the 10
|| [[#t15:29:55|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | does that work?
|| [[#t15:30:07|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:22"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yup
|| [[#t15:30:22|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Floor - Your topic here.
|| [[#t15:30:49|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:18"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | anyone?
|| [[#t15:31:18|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | =)
|| [[#t15:31:20|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:36"
! style="background-color: #488888" | iarlyy
| style="color: #488888" | I was a little away... we still having triage day after meetings?
|| [[#t15:31:36|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | well, my standard comment around release time: if you're looking after any bugs you think are sufficiently serious they shouldn't be in the release, please mark them as release blockers
|| [[#t15:31:49|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:53"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | set them to block the bug F12Blocker
|| [[#t15:31:53|15:31]]
|- id="t15:32:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | iarlyy: um. officially, yes. practically, not really :/ tk009 is planning a proper one for friday though
|| [[#t15:32:19|15:32]]
|- id="t15:32:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I was going t osend the email (revised) tomorrow
|| [[#t15:32:52|15:32]]
|- id="t15:33:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | announcing the event
|| [[#t15:33:01|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I did have one question tho
|| [[#t15:33:09|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:15"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yup?
|| [[#t15:33:15|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | is there anything planned for friday that I missed
|| [[#t15:33:22|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | like blocker meetings or something?
|| [[#t15:33:33|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | the blocker meeting happens friday, yeah
|| [[#t15:33:43|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:44"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so i'll have to split my time a bit
|| [[#t15:33:44|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | how should we work that?
|| [[#t15:33:52|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | but there's _something_ happening just about every day around release time
|| [[#t15:34:10|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:10"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | and i'm the only bugzapper who'll be at the blocker meeting, going on past experience
|| [[#t15:34:10|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | yes that is true
|| [[#t15:34:12|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:17"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | so everyone else should be able to come to the triage day
|| [[#t15:34:17|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | you are incorrect
|| [[#t15:34:25|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | hehe
|| [[#t15:34:26|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I am always there
|| [[#t15:34:30|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:36"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | ah yes, lurking :) sorry
|| [[#t15:34:36|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I jsut dont always say anything
|| [[#t15:34:37|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:13"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | well, we could move the date if you're worried?
|| [[#t15:35:13|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | should we plan it later in the day?
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:35"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | that could work, but then it'd be late for people in europe
|| [[#t15:35:35|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | unless someone objects, we'll keep it friday and just roll with it
|| [[#t15:36:15|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | maybe the blocker meeting will be short
|| [[#t15:37:01|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:03"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | i think that's fine
|| [[#t15:37:03|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | ahahaha. ahhahaha. good one.
|| [[#t15:37:09|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I know better,but can hope
|| [[#t15:37:10|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | the only other thing I had was housekeeping related
|| [[#t15:37:40|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I will get with poelcat later on that
|| [[#t15:37:50|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:23"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, nothing else here
|| [[#t15:38:23|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:43"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | so anyone else have something they like to bring up
|| [[#t15:38:43|15:38]]
|- id="t15:38:56"
| colspan="2" | * poelcat was just thinking of that
|| [[#t15:38:56|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:04"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | =)
|| [[#t15:39:04|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:20"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | poelcat
| style="color: #97974f" | someone should send the "warning email" soon
|| [[#t15:39:20|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I was looking at that this morning
|| [[#t15:39:31|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I can if you like
|| [[#t15:39:36|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I changed the date for sending it
|| [[#t15:39:49|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:12"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | poelcat
| style="color: #97974f" | tk009: that would be awesome
|| [[#t15:40:12|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | err the deadline date that is
|| [[#t15:40:13|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #action tk009 to complete and send the housekeeping developer warning email
|| [[#t15:40:53|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I ma forgetting something that I am sure I will remember 5 minutes from now
|| [[#t15:41:52|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:09"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | you're forgetting to pass a resolution on how awesome I am?
|| [[#t15:42:09|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | we did that already
|| [[#t15:42:36|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | no agreement was reached =P
|| [[#t15:42:40|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:43"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yeah, it's been at least five minutes
|| [[#t15:42:43|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:49"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | time for another =)
|| [[#t15:42:49|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | I guess that is all for today then, thank you all for coming =)
|| [[#t15:43:47|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:08"
! style="background-color: #818144" | adamw
| style="color: #818144" | yup, thanks everyone!
|| [[#t15:44:08|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | unless someone has something ?
|| [[#t15:44:12|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | echo tango suitcase
|| [[#t15:44:34|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | tk009
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:44:39|15:44]]
|}


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Revision as of 23:04, 27 October 2009

Attendees

People present (lines said)

  • tk009 (65)
  • adamw (44)
  • iarlyy (11)
  • thomasj (4)
  • poelcat (3)
  • jwb (2)
  • SMParrish (1)
  • cebbert (1)

Agenda


Meeting Topics

Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation?

  • Tentatively set for 2009-11-12, when the release has been staged to the mirrors. Will update when information becomes available.

Triage Metrics - Any updates or information?

Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change.

  • LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow
  • We will revisit this topic on 2009-11-10.
  • (tentatively 2009-11-12) change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged
  • (tentatively 2009-11-12) change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text.

Open Floor - Your topic here. Bug Triage Event

  • Discussed the up coming Bug Triage Event scheduled for 2009-10-30 at 1500 UTC
  • tk009 will send an Event announcement to f-t-l.

Bug Zappers Housekeeping


Action Items

  • tk009 to complete and send "Warning to Package Maintainers" email to f-d-l.
  • tk009 will send the Bug Triage Event announcement to f-t-l.

IRC Transcript

tk009 #startmeeting 15:09
zodbot Meeting started Tue Oct 27 15:09:23 2009 UTC. The chair is tk009. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:09
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:09
tk009 bugzappers meeting, how all is here 15:09
adamw morning 15:09
tk009 morning =) 15:09
SMParrish morning all 15:10
tk009 morning 15:10
tk009 well not a big crowd today 15:11
adamw iarlyy might be coming i think 15:11
* iarlyy here now 15:11
iarlyy hi all 15:11
adamw Mystic Adam will pick your lottery numbers for $10 15:11
* thomasj here as well 15:12
iarlyy morning/afternoon all 15:12
tk009 morning you two 15:12
tk009 okay first up I guess is 15:12
thomasj yeah $DAY_OF_TIME to you all ;) 15:13
tk009 #topic Semantic change - Do we have a firm date for official implementation? 15:13
thomasj meouw time_of_day 15:13
adamw let me go look at the calendar 15:13
adamw just a sec 15:13
tk009 I liked day of time better =) 15:13
* thomasj grabs more coffe :) 15:14
adamw hmm, nope. not listed on there 15:14
adamw Oxf13: around? what's the date for rawhide switchover to being f13, on the current schedule? 15:14
adamw oh well. :) that's the question: the day rawhide stops being f12 and starts being f13 is the day for the semantic change 15:16
tk009 =) 15:16
jwb adamw, usually after the release has been staged to the mirrors 15:16
adamw which, to remind everyone, means you stop setting triaged bugs to ASSIGNED and start using the Triaged keyword instead 15:16
tk009 I have seen some bugs already have it 15:16
adamw jwb: thanks, so that'd be 2009-11-12 15:17
jwb sounds right within a margin of +/- a few days 15:17
adamw tk009: yeah, we did say people could go ahead and use it as well as ASSIGNED if they liked, but the change date is when we all should switch for all rawhide bugs 15:17
tk009 kk =) 15:17
tk009 #topic Triage Metrics - Any updates or information? 15:18
tk009 no comphappy nor have I heard from him 15:18
tk009 has anyone else? 15:18
iarlyy hey so after 2009-11-12 we get start with triaged keyword 15:18
tk009 yes 15:18
tk009 you could be doing it now if you like 15:18
tk009 as adamw said 15:18
adamw yeah, nothing from Comet Comphappy here either 15:19
tk009 I jsut want/need to know how he obtained the data 15:19
adamw if it's not in the code, i'm not sure 15:20
tk009 that last code I saw it was not 15:21
cebbert ok, here now 15:21
tk009 it was just python for displaying the information 15:21
tk009 nothing about gathering that i saw 15:21
iarlyy metrics has a trac instance? 15:21
iarlyy isn't? what addr? 15:21
tk009 it does but nothing is there 15:22
adamw yeah, it's in triage trac i think? 15:22
adamw just a sec 15:22
adamw https://fedorahosted.org/triage/ 15:22
adamw i guess we can throw him an email and hope for the best 15:23
tk009 moving on 15:24
tk009 #topic Bug Lifecycle - This ties in with the semantics change. 15:24
tk009 this is really about the lifecycle image. soething that was never finished 15:24
tk009 I assume that will change yet again 15:24
adamw only a minor change 15:25
tk009 do the wiki information need any changes? 15:25
iarlyy what would be "semantics change".. 15:25
adamw iarlyy: as we discussed above 15:25
tk009 I should of added a link for that 15:25
iarlyy ops 15:26
adamw iarlyy: using the Triaged keyword, not ASSIGNED state, to indicate triaged bugs 15:26
iarlyy x) 15:26
iarlyy only it? 15:26
adamw yes, that's all 15:26
adamw on the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow page we'd only have to change the box marked ASSIGNED in the image to read Triaged 15:26
adamw and then change a line in the NEW section and the heading of the ASSIGNED section in the text 15:26
adamw pretty simple 15:27
tk009 well nothing to change right away, will keep it in mind for meeting on the 10 15:29
tk009 does that work? 15:30
adamw yup 15:30
tk009 #topic Open Floor - Your topic here. 15:30
tk009 anyone? 15:31
tk009 =) 15:31
iarlyy I was a little away... we still having triage day after meetings? 15:31
adamw well, my standard comment around release time: if you're looking after any bugs you think are sufficiently serious they shouldn't be in the release, please mark them as release blockers 15:31
adamw set them to block the bug F12Blocker 15:31
adamw iarlyy: um. officially, yes. practically, not really :/ tk009 is planning a proper one for friday though 15:32
tk009 I was going t osend the email (revised) tomorrow 15:32
tk009 announcing the event 15:33
tk009 I did have one question tho 15:33
adamw yup? 15:33
tk009 is there anything planned for friday that I missed 15:33
tk009 like blocker meetings or something? 15:33
adamw the blocker meeting happens friday, yeah 15:33
adamw so i'll have to split my time a bit 15:33
tk009 how should we work that? 15:33
adamw but there's _something_ happening just about every day around release time 15:34
adamw and i'm the only bugzapper who'll be at the blocker meeting, going on past experience 15:34
tk009 yes that is true 15:34
adamw so everyone else should be able to come to the triage day 15:34
tk009 you are incorrect 15:34
tk009 hehe 15:34
tk009 I am always there 15:34
adamw ah yes, lurking :) sorry 15:34
tk009 I jsut dont always say anything 15:34
adamw well, we could move the date if you're worried? 15:35
tk009 should we plan it later in the day? 15:35
adamw that could work, but then it'd be late for people in europe 15:35
tk009 unless someone objects, we'll keep it friday and just roll with it 15:36
tk009 maybe the blocker meeting will be short 15:37
adamw i think that's fine 15:37
adamw ahahaha. ahhahaha. good one. 15:37
tk009 I know better,but can hope 15:37
tk009 the only other thing I had was housekeeping related 15:37
tk009 I will get with poelcat later on that 15:37
adamw yeah, nothing else here 15:38
tk009 so anyone else have something they like to bring up 15:38
* poelcat was just thinking of that 15:38
tk009 =) 15:39
poelcat someone should send the "warning email" soon 15:39
tk009 I was looking at that this morning 15:39
tk009 I can if you like 15:39
tk009 I changed the date for sending it 15:39
poelcat tk009: that would be awesome 15:40
tk009 err the deadline date that is 15:40
tk009 #action tk009 to complete and send the housekeeping developer warning email 15:40
tk009 I ma forgetting something that I am sure I will remember 5 minutes from now 15:41
adamw you're forgetting to pass a resolution on how awesome I am? 15:42
tk009 we did that already 15:42
tk009 no agreement was reached =P 15:42
adamw yeah, it's been at least five minutes 15:42
adamw time for another =) 15:42
tk009 I guess that is all for today then, thank you all for coming =) 15:43
adamw yup, thanks everyone! 15:44
tk009 unless someone has something ? 15:44
tk009 echo tango suitcase 15:44
tk009 #endmeeting 15:44

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