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* 2010-03-31 - Beta Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
* 2010-03-31 - Beta Go/No-Go Meeting (20:00 EST)
* 2010-04-01 - [[Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT|ABRT Test Day]]
* 2010-04-01 - [[Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT|ABRT Test Day]]
* 2010-04-08 - [[Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization|Virtualization Test Day]]


= Action items =
= Action items =
= IRC Transcript =
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|- id="t14:59:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting
|| [[#t14:59:59|14:59]]
|- id="t14:59:59"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Meeting started Mon Mar 29 14:59:59 2010 UTC.  The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
|| [[#t14:59:59|14:59]]
|- id="t15:00:01"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
|| [[#t15:00:01|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #meetingname fedora-qa
|| [[#t15:00:02|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:03"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'
|| [[#t15:00:03|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:08"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Gathering
|| [[#t15:00:08|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:19"
| colspan="2" | * kparal greets everyone
|| [[#t15:00:19|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:37"
| colspan="2" | * jlaska waves
|| [[#t15:00:37|15:00]]
|- id="t15:00:53"
| colspan="2" | * daumas sits in a corner out of the light
|| [[#t15:00:53|15:00]]
|- id="t15:01:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | daumas: hi there
|| [[#t15:01:31|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:47"
! style="background-color: #818144" | daumas
| style="color: #818144" | jlaska: hello
|| [[#t15:01:47|15:01]]
|- id="t15:01:55"
| colspan="2" | * jskladan waving
|| [[#t15:01:55|15:01]]
|- id="t15:02:01"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion is here
|| [[#t15:02:01|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | greetings all
|| [[#t15:02:06|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | just a heads up, we'll be minus adamw today
|| [[#t15:02:22|15:02]]
|- id="t15:02:45"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | bummer .... am I the only Adam in the room now?
|| [[#t15:02:45|15:02]]
|- id="t15:03:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I pinged wwoods to remind that the meeting time has changed, so he should be here shortly
|| [[#t15:03:06|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: the one and only!
|| [[#t15:03:10|15:03]]
|- id="t15:03:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, let's get started ... we've got a short agenda for today
|| [[#t15:03:55|15:03]]
|- id="t15:04:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html
|| [[#t15:04:02|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:02"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: feels weird, don't have a "oh no no no, you wanted to assign that action item to AdamW" cop out anymore :P
|| [[#t15:04:02|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | haha
|| [[#t15:04:19|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:25"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | #link Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html
|| [[#t15:04:25|15:04]]
|- id="t15:04:39"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | hrmm... not sure I can do that one, might be meeting owner/leader only
|| [[#t15:04:39|15:04]]
|- id="t15:05:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Previous meeting follow-up
|| [[#t15:05:12|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'll skip the first item until wwoods is here ...
|| [[#t15:05:27|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:36"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info maxamillion will work on second draft of provenpackagers proposal
|| [[#t15:05:36|15:05]]
|- id="t15:05:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: I saw some list activity on this topic recently?
|| [[#t15:05:50|15:05]]
|- id="t15:06:07"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | proventesters?
|| [[#t15:06:07|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:12"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters:Draft
|| [[#t15:06:12|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:17"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok
|| [[#t15:06:17|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:33"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | yeah, I for some reason got it in my head that it was ProvenPackagers and I was writing that up like it was normal
|| [[#t15:06:33|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:43"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | I'm waiting for the confusion to subside
|| [[#t15:06:43|15:06]]
|- id="t15:06:54"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | actually, let me re-send the email with a correct title
|| [[#t15:06:54|15:06]]
|- id="t15:07:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: I just sent it last night ... so I imagine it will get attention on list and we can hash out the rest next week
|| [[#t15:07:17|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:46"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | awesome, thanks for taking another stab at it
|| [[#t15:07:46|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: what would you be looking for next with that?
|| [[#t15:07:57|15:07]]
|- id="t15:07:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | happy to do so :)
|| [[#t15:07:58|15:07]]
|- id="t15:08:17"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: I think just a group +1 on the procedure
|| [[#t15:08:17|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:23"
| colspan="2" | * Viking-Ice jumps in on a new time..
|| [[#t15:08:23|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | unless there is any other outstanding issues people have with it
|| [[#t15:08:34|15:08]]
|- id="t15:08:47"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Viking-Ice: welcome
|| [[#t15:08:47|15:08]]
|- id="t15:10:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: you also had a thread out about adding more details on the mentor process, are there any things to chase down there?
|| [[#t15:10:01|15:10]]
|- id="t15:11:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: no, only got 1 response and I had already read the wiki page that response suggested I read
|| [[#t15:11:13|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:24"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: okay, cool
|| [[#t15:11:24|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:34"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: so I honestly just kinda made it up and was hoping others would provide feedback to what they thought of what I came up with
|| [[#t15:11:34|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:40"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so hopefully folks get a chance to review the updates and provide thoughts to the list this week
|| [[#t15:11:40|15:11]]
|- id="t15:11:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: should we keep this on for discussion next week?
|| [[#t15:11:52|15:11]]
|- id="t15:12:47"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: maybe just a quick mention or hopefully finalization
|| [[#t15:12:47|15:12]]
|- id="t15:12:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty, will do
|| [[#t15:12:56|15:12]]
|- id="t15:13:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next up ...
|| [[#t15:13:06|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info adamw will provide a draft for the update test plan
|| [[#t15:13:09|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Adam initiated discussion on this topic (see thread http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089690.html)
|| [[#t15:13:39|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:52"
| colspan="2" | * kparal planning to read it today
|| [[#t15:13:52|15:13]]
|- id="t15:13:55"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm not up to date on the feedback, but it looks to be inprogress
|| [[#t15:13:55|15:13]]
|- id="t15:14:50"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | just like maxamillion's topic, this will likely be an ongoing discussion this week
|| [[#t15:14:50|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next ...
|| [[#t15:14:53|15:14]]
|- id="t15:14:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info jlaska to post meeting time change request to test@l.fp.org
|| [[#t15:14:56|15:14]]
|- id="t15:15:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Egg on me, I just changed it for today
|| [[#t15:15:12|15:15]]
|- id="t15:15:48"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | keeping the meeting time to localtime (instead of following UTC) seemed fine with folks when we last checked in
|| [[#t15:15:48|15:15]]
|- id="t15:16:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so if that's still the case, let's just keep this time
|| [[#t15:16:02|15:16]]
|- id="t15:16:17"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | certainly works for me
|| [[#t15:16:17|15:16]]
|- id="t15:17:00"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay, I'll update the the list when changed
|| [[#t15:17:00|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:03"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | works for me, but $dayjob will trample occasionally because that makes the meeting 10am local time and that seems to be popular for meetings around here
|| [[#t15:17:03|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:22"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | yeah, that's prime meeting time huh :)
|| [[#t15:17:22|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... last up ...
|| [[#t15:17:35|15:17]]
|- id="t15:17:38"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info wwoods and adamw to discuss tooling needs for priv esc. test
|| [[#t15:17:38|15:17]]
|- id="t15:18:27"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | adamw and wwoods discussed this over a few mails, I'm not sure who has the ball now.  But I believe there was agreement in a small script to identify potential priv. escalation packages
|| [[#t15:18:27|15:18]]
|- id="t15:18:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there seems to be some tie-in to potential rpmguard tests, so heads up kparal, I asked for any future plans to land as tickets for later discussion
|| [[#t15:18:59|15:18]]
|- id="t15:19:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... diving into agenda
|| [[#t15:19:30|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:34"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic F-13-Beta Testing
|| [[#t15:19:34|15:19]]
|- id="t15:19:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I'm sure no one needs a reminder, but just a heads up that we are knee deep in the Beta release candidate phase
|| [[#t15:19:57|15:19]]
|- id="t15:20:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | You can find (and add) test results on the wiki at:
|| [[#t15:20:16|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | * Desktop results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test
|| [[#t15:20:29|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:39"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | * Install results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test
|| [[#t15:20:39|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:48"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | it seems like there will be another RC?
|| [[#t15:20:48|15:20]]
|- id="t15:20:52"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | definitely
|| [[#t15:20:52|15:20]]
|- id="t15:21:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | not sure if Oxf13 is around, but I planned to ping him later today for an update
|| [[#t15:21:16|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:51"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we'll need an updated RC today if we want to have enough test progress for the go/no_go meeting
|| [[#t15:21:51|15:21]]
|- id="t15:21:54"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | speaking of ...
|| [[#t15:21:54|15:21]]
|- id="t15:22:01"
! style="background-color: #8c4a4a" | etank
| style="color: #8c4a4a" | if i have a F13 install from Alpha do i need to do a fresh install of Beta to test the bugs or just update what i currently have?
|| [[#t15:22:01|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:08"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: when is the go/no_go meeting scheduled for?
|| [[#t15:22:08|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info Beta Go/No_Go meeting scheduled for 2010-03-31 (20:00 EDT)
|| [[#t15:22:26|15:22]]
|- id="t15:22:51"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | etank: depends on the test case, some of them a reinstall will be needed, others an upgrade would probably suffice
|| [[#t15:22:51|15:22]]
|- id="t15:23:28"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | The F13Beta blocker list has 2 unmodified bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=538274&amp;hide_resolved=1
|| [[#t15:23:28|15:23]]
|- id="t15:24:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | I know pjones and dlehman were working bug#577196 aggresively on Friday ... I've not worked down my bugzilla mail yet for the latest
|| [[#t15:24:01|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:07"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 577196
|| [[#t15:24:07|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:09"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | jlaska: Bug 577196 Freeze when installing bootloader - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577196
|| [[#t15:24:09|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:21"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and kparal has an addition to the list today ...
|| [[#t15:24:21|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | .bug 577789
|| [[#t15:24:23|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:25"
! style="background-color: #42427e" | zodbot
| style="color: #42427e" | jlaska: Bug 577789 Transition to GDM does not work, screen hangs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577789
|| [[#t15:24:25|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:35"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | that may be resolved later today
|| [[#t15:24:35|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:41"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: oh that's great!
|| [[#t15:24:41|15:24]]
|- id="t15:24:52"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I spoke with halfline and he said it could be caused by gdm
|| [[#t15:24:52|15:24]]
|- id="t15:25:00"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | which is currently pending in bodhi
|| [[#t15:25:00|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:09"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I will try the update and report back
|| [[#t15:25:09|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:15"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | does this feel like a Beta release criteria issue?
|| [[#t15:25:15|15:25]]
|- id="t15:25:40"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | well it breaks X, kind of
|| [[#t15:25:40|15:25]]
|- id="t15:26:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | yeah... I think the ability to get to a login prompt is expected by beta release (imo)
|| [[#t15:26:44|15:26]]
|- id="t15:26:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: right, I'm not up on the latest in that bug.  I'll need your feedback on the impact the changes in the new gdm, with the # of impacted users of that bug
|| [[#t15:26:45|15:26]]
|- id="t15:27:14"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | agreed ... but we'd need to get some data on whether this affects everyone, or some subsets of users
|| [[#t15:27:14|15:27]]
|- id="t15:28:05"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | I don't know how to find out :)
|| [[#t15:28:05|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:26"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: I'll find you this meeting, we can chat further
|| [[#t15:28:26|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:37"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | ok
|| [[#t15:28:37|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:44"
| colspan="2" | * maxamillion adds an "after" to that
|| [[#t15:28:44|15:28]]
|- id="t15:28:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: thanks for the assist :D
|| [[#t15:28:59|15:28]]
|- id="t15:29:13"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: doing what I can :)
|| [[#t15:29:13|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:35"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | it should only affect users who have updates-testing enabled
|| [[#t15:29:35|15:29]]
|- id="t15:29:58"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | ah, so it's specific to a gdm that isn't on the RC1 media, but is in updates-testing
|| [[#t15:29:58|15:29]]
|- id="t15:30:16"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | sort of
|| [[#t15:30:16|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:18"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | the back story is...
|| [[#t15:30:18|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:23"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | i pushed a plymouth update to updates-testing
|| [[#t15:30:23|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:32"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | that quickly exposed a problem in gdm
|| [[#t15:30:32|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:38"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | i added a fix for gdm ot the same update
|| [[#t15:30:38|15:30]]
|- id="t15:30:49"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | but the gdm bit never got pushed to updates-testing
|| [[#t15:30:49|15:30]]
|- id="t15:31:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | aha, I see
|| [[#t15:31:06|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:09"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | so people running hte plymouth update from updates-testing are affected unless they grab the gdm update as well
|| [[#t15:31:09|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:28"
! style="background-color: #4b904b" | halfline
| style="color: #4b904b" | i basically forgot to click "Push to Updates Testing" in the web form after adding the gdm package to the update
|| [[#t15:31:28|15:31]]
|- id="t15:31:35"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | halfline: does this affect anyone using that plymouth, or just specific scenarios?
|| [[#t15:31:35|15:31]]
|- id="t15:33:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | well, we can tackle that after the meeting
|| [[#t15:33:20|15:33]]
|- id="t15:33:29"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything else on the beta folks wanted to discuss?
|| [[#t15:33:29|15:33]]
|- id="t15:34:00"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | I still can't get X in virtualbox, but I don't know if that's a F13 issue or a vbox issue
|| [[#t15:34:00|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:19"
! style="background-color: #818144" | daumas
| style="color: #818144" | maxamillion: have you tried adding ignoreabi to your xorg.conf ?
|| [[#t15:34:19|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: I gather that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken ?
|| [[#t15:34:25|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:44"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | jlaska: yeah, I added that to the wiki page :)
|| [[#t15:34:44|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:44"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | robatino
| style="color: #4d4d93" | maxamillion: you need to use the vesa driver
|| [[#t15:34:44|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:52"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | robatino
| style="color: #4d4d93" | it's a vbox bug
|| [[#t15:34:52|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:53"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | daumas: no, I have not
|| [[#t15:34:53|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:58"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | robatino: ah, epic
|| [[#t15:34:58|15:34]]
|- id="t15:34:59"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | maxamillion: yeah, wasn't sure if itwas the same issue still
|| [[#t15:34:59|15:34]]
|- id="t15:35:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | &gt; Should be fixed in xorg-x11-server 1.7.99.901-10.20100223.
|| [[#t15:35:09|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:15"
! style="background-color: #4d4d93" | robatino
| style="color: #4d4d93" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken was fixed in RC1
|| [[#t15:35:15|15:35]]
|- id="t15:35:25"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | well that's good news
|| [[#t15:35:25|15:35]]
|- id="t15:36:09"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | ah
|| [[#t15:36:09|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: halfline noted that your issue would affect all users with the updated plymouth, but a downlevel gdm ... seems like a valid blocker
|| [[#t15:36:10|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:30"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: until the gdm update is pushed out
|| [[#t15:36:30|15:36]]
|- id="t15:36:31"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | I'm apparently running an older version of vbox ... :/
|| [[#t15:36:31|15:36]]
|- id="t15:37:02"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: right, so seems like we just need that newer gdm in updates-testing for the beta
|| [[#t15:37:02|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | okay ... just a quick reminding on upcoming test days ..
|| [[#t15:37:37|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Upcoming Test Days
|| [[#t15:37:45|15:37]]
|- id="t15:37:57"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | on Tuesday we have ...
|| [[#t15:37:57|15:37]]
|- id="t15:38:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-03-30 - SSSD by Default Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-30_SSSDByDefault
|| [[#t15:38:06|15:38]]
|- id="t15:39:03"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | we're in good shape for this tomorrow ... the wiki has updated test cases (thanks shanks!)
|| [[#t15:39:03|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:12"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | and I'll be building updated live images later today to post to the iwki
|| [[#t15:39:12|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:16"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | s/iwki/wiki/
|| [[#t15:39:16|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:20"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Also this week ...
|| [[#t15:39:20|15:39]]
|- id="t15:39:33"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #intof 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT
|| [[#t15:39:33|15:39]]
|- id="t15:40:01"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: how are things shaping up for Thursday
|| [[#t15:40:01|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:06"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT
|| [[#t15:40:06|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:11"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | good lord, I can't type today
|| [[#t15:40:11|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:14"
! style="background-color: #97974f" | shanks
| style="color: #97974f" | jlaska, anytime :)
|| [[#t15:40:14|15:40]]
|- id="t15:40:39"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | jlaska: jmoskovc complained he had really much work to do, but the test cases should be ready by thursday
|| [[#t15:40:39|15:40]]
|- id="t15:41:09"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | kparal: lemme know if you need help from others to knock out those test cases
|| [[#t15:41:09|15:41]]
|- id="t15:42:14"
! style="background-color: #488888" | kparal
| style="color: #488888" | will do
|| [[#t15:42:14|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:30"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so busy week with Beta and test days
|| [[#t15:42:30|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:37"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | next week we'll have the Virt Test Day ...
|| [[#t15:42:37|15:42]]
|- id="t15:42:56"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #info 2010-04-08 - Virtualization test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization
|| [[#t15:42:56|15:42]]
|- id="t15:43:31"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | there aren't any test cases yet, I spoke w/ llim today who has someone who can work with jforbes to outline some high-level test instructions for the event
|| [[#t15:43:31|15:43]]
|- id="t15:43:49"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | so that should start to flesh out this week
|| [[#t15:43:49|15:43]]
|- id="t15:44:13"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alrighty ... that's all I had on the agenda today
|| [[#t15:44:13|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:23"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #topic Open Discussion - &lt;your topic here&gt;
|| [[#t15:44:23|15:44]]
|- id="t15:44:45"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | Trying to keep things light today, since I know everyone is busy trying to make sure the Beta is outstanding
|| [[#t15:44:45|15:44]]
|- id="t15:45:05"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | anything we didn't mention already that folks would to discuss today?
|| [[#t15:45:05|15:45]]
|- id="t15:46:32"
| colspan="2" | * kparal watches silence...
|| [[#t15:46:32|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:36"
! style="background-color: #854685" | maxamillion
| style="color: #854685" | nothing I can think of
|| [[#t15:46:36|15:46]]
|- id="t15:46:53"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | alright then ... let's get back to the Beta :)
|| [[#t15:46:53|15:46]]
|- id="t15:47:10"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | As usual, I'll send minutes to the list
|| [[#t15:47:10|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:17"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | thanks for your time everyone
|| [[#t15:47:17|15:47]]
|- id="t15:47:19"
! style="background-color: #407a40" | jlaska
| style="color: #407a40" | #endmeeting
|| [[#t15:47:19|15:47]]
|}
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Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

  1. wwoods and adamw to discuss tooling needs for priv esc. test
  2. maxamillion will work on second draft of provenpackagers proposal
  3. adamw will provide a draft for the update test plan
  4. jlaska to post meeting time change request to test@l.fp.org

Fedora 13 test status

Upcoming test milestones:

Upcoming test days:

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Adjust meeting time?

Kparal and jskladan asked whether the QA meeting time could adjust to keep the localtime the same, but change UTC. This would moving the meeting from 16:00 UTC to 15:00 UTC during spring+summer. No objections were made during the meeting, jlaska would raise the topic on the list as well.

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jlaska #startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting 14:59
zodbot Meeting started Mon Mar 29 14:59:59 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:59
zodbot Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00
jlaska #meetingname fedora-qa 15:00
zodbot The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa' 15:00
jlaska #topic Gathering 15:00
* kparal greets everyone 15:00
* jlaska waves 15:00
* daumas sits in a corner out of the light 15:00
jlaska daumas: hi there 15:01
daumas jlaska: hello 15:01
* jskladan waving 15:01
* maxamillion is here 15:02
jlaska greetings all 15:02
jlaska just a heads up, we'll be minus adamw today 15:02
maxamillion bummer .... am I the only Adam in the room now? 15:02
jlaska I pinged wwoods to remind that the meeting time has changed, so he should be here shortly 15:03
jlaska maxamillion: the one and only! 15:03
jlaska okay, let's get started ... we've got a short agenda for today 15:03
jlaska Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html 15:04
maxamillion jlaska: feels weird, don't have a "oh no no no, you wanted to assign that action item to AdamW" cop out anymore :P 15:04
jlaska haha 15:04
maxamillion #link Proposed agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089758.html 15:04
maxamillion hrmm... not sure I can do that one, might be meeting owner/leader only 15:04
jlaska #topic Previous meeting follow-up 15:05
jlaska I'll skip the first item until wwoods is here ... 15:05
jlaska #info maxamillion will work on second draft of provenpackagers proposal 15:05
jlaska maxamillion: I saw some list activity on this topic recently? 15:05
kparal proventesters? 15:06
maxamillion https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/JoinProvenTesters:Draft 15:06
kparal ok 15:06
maxamillion yeah, I for some reason got it in my head that it was ProvenPackagers and I was writing that up like it was normal 15:06
maxamillion I'm waiting for the confusion to subside 15:06
maxamillion actually, let me re-send the email with a correct title 15:06
maxamillion jlaska: I just sent it last night ... so I imagine it will get attention on list and we can hash out the rest next week 15:07
jlaska awesome, thanks for taking another stab at it 15:07
jlaska maxamillion: what would you be looking for next with that? 15:07
maxamillion happy to do so :) 15:07
maxamillion jlaska: I think just a group +1 on the procedure 15:08
* Viking-Ice jumps in on a new time.. 15:08
maxamillion unless there is any other outstanding issues people have with it 15:08
jlaska Viking-Ice: welcome 15:08
jlaska maxamillion: you also had a thread out about adding more details on the mentor process, are there any things to chase down there? 15:10
maxamillion jlaska: no, only got 1 response and I had already read the wiki page that response suggested I read 15:11
jlaska maxamillion: okay, cool 15:11
maxamillion jlaska: so I honestly just kinda made it up and was hoping others would provide feedback to what they thought of what I came up with 15:11
jlaska so hopefully folks get a chance to review the updates and provide thoughts to the list this week 15:11
jlaska maxamillion: should we keep this on for discussion next week? 15:11
maxamillion jlaska: maybe just a quick mention or hopefully finalization 15:12
jlaska alrighty, will do 15:12
jlaska next up ... 15:13
jlaska #info adamw will provide a draft for the update test plan 15:13
jlaska Adam initiated discussion on this topic (see thread http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2010-March/089690.html) 15:13
* kparal planning to read it today 15:13
jlaska I'm not up to date on the feedback, but it looks to be inprogress 15:13
jlaska just like maxamillion's topic, this will likely be an ongoing discussion this week 15:14
jlaska next ... 15:14
jlaska #info jlaska to post meeting time change request to test@l.fp.org 15:14
jlaska Egg on me, I just changed it for today 15:15
jlaska keeping the meeting time to localtime (instead of following UTC) seemed fine with folks when we last checked in 15:15
jlaska so if that's still the case, let's just keep this time 15:16
kparal certainly works for me 15:16
jlaska okay, I'll update the the list when changed 15:17
maxamillion works for me, but $dayjob will trample occasionally because that makes the meeting 10am local time and that seems to be popular for meetings around here 15:17
jlaska yeah, that's prime meeting time huh :) 15:17
jlaska okay ... last up ... 15:17
jlaska #info wwoods and adamw to discuss tooling needs for priv esc. test 15:17
jlaska adamw and wwoods discussed this over a few mails, I'm not sure who has the ball now. But I believe there was agreement in a small script to identify potential priv. escalation packages 15:18
jlaska there seems to be some tie-in to potential rpmguard tests, so heads up kparal, I asked for any future plans to land as tickets for later discussion 15:18
jlaska okay ... diving into agenda 15:19
jlaska #topic F-13-Beta Testing 15:19
jlaska I'm sure no one needs a reminder, but just a heads up that we are knee deep in the Beta release candidate phase 15:19
jlaska You can find (and add) test results on the wiki at: 15:20
jlaska * Desktop results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Desktop_Test 15:20
jlaska * Install results - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Current_Installation_Test 15:20
kparal it seems like there will be another RC? 15:20
jlaska definitely 15:20
jlaska not sure if Oxf13 is around, but I planned to ping him later today for an update 15:21
jlaska we'll need an updated RC today if we want to have enough test progress for the go/no_go meeting 15:21
jlaska speaking of ... 15:21
etank if i have a F13 install from Alpha do i need to do a fresh install of Beta to test the bugs or just update what i currently have? 15:22
maxamillion jlaska: when is the go/no_go meeting scheduled for? 15:22
jlaska #info Beta Go/No_Go meeting scheduled for 2010-03-31 (20:00 EDT) 15:22
maxamillion etank: depends on the test case, some of them a reinstall will be needed, others an upgrade would probably suffice 15:22
jlaska The F13Beta blocker list has 2 unmodified bugs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=538274&hide_resolved=1 15:23
jlaska I know pjones and dlehman were working bug#577196 aggresively on Friday ... I've not worked down my bugzilla mail yet for the latest 15:24
jlaska .bug 577196 15:24
zodbot jlaska: Bug 577196 Freeze when installing bootloader - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577196 15:24
jlaska and kparal has an addition to the list today ... 15:24
jlaska .bug 577789 15:24
zodbot jlaska: Bug 577789 Transition to GDM does not work, screen hangs - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=577789 15:24
kparal that may be resolved later today 15:24
jlaska kparal: oh that's great! 15:24
kparal I spoke with halfline and he said it could be caused by gdm 15:24
kparal which is currently pending in bodhi 15:25
kparal I will try the update and report back 15:25
jlaska does this feel like a Beta release criteria issue? 15:25
kparal well it breaks X, kind of 15:25
maxamillion yeah... I think the ability to get to a login prompt is expected by beta release (imo) 15:26
jlaska kparal: right, I'm not up on the latest in that bug. I'll need your feedback on the impact the changes in the new gdm, with the # of impacted users of that bug 15:26
jlaska agreed ... but we'd need to get some data on whether this affects everyone, or some subsets of users 15:27
kparal I don't know how to find out :) 15:28
jlaska kparal: I'll find you this meeting, we can chat further 15:28
kparal ok 15:28
* maxamillion adds an "after" to that 15:28
jlaska maxamillion: thanks for the assist :D 15:28
maxamillion jlaska: doing what I can :) 15:29
halfline it should only affect users who have updates-testing enabled 15:29
jlaska ah, so it's specific to a gdm that isn't on the RC1 media, but is in updates-testing 15:29
halfline sort of 15:30
halfline the back story is... 15:30
halfline i pushed a plymouth update to updates-testing 15:30
halfline that quickly exposed a problem in gdm 15:30
halfline i added a fix for gdm ot the same update 15:30
halfline but the gdm bit never got pushed to updates-testing 15:30
jlaska aha, I see 15:31
halfline so people running hte plymouth update from updates-testing are affected unless they grab the gdm update as well 15:31
halfline i basically forgot to click "Push to Updates Testing" in the web form after adding the gdm package to the update 15:31
jlaska halfline: does this affect anyone using that plymouth, or just specific scenarios? 15:31
jlaska well, we can tackle that after the meeting 15:33
jlaska anything else on the beta folks wanted to discuss? 15:33
maxamillion I still can't get X in virtualbox, but I don't know if that's a F13 issue or a vbox issue 15:34
daumas maxamillion: have you tried adding ignoreabi to your xorg.conf ? 15:34
jlaska maxamillion: I gather that's https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken ? 15:34
maxamillion jlaska: yeah, I added that to the wiki page :) 15:34
robatino maxamillion: you need to use the vesa driver 15:34
robatino it's a vbox bug 15:34
maxamillion daumas: no, I have not 15:34
maxamillion robatino: ah, epic 15:34
jlaska maxamillion: yeah, wasn't sure if itwas the same issue still 15:34
jlaska > Should be fixed in xorg-x11-server 1.7.99.901-10.20100223. 15:35
robatino https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F13_bugs#xorg-vbox-broken was fixed in RC1 15:35
jlaska well that's good news 15:35
maxamillion ah 15:36
jlaska kparal: halfline noted that your issue would affect all users with the updated plymouth, but a downlevel gdm ... seems like a valid blocker 15:36
kparal jlaska: until the gdm update is pushed out 15:36
maxamillion I'm apparently running an older version of vbox ... :/ 15:36
jlaska kparal: right, so seems like we just need that newer gdm in updates-testing for the beta 15:37
jlaska okay ... just a quick reminding on upcoming test days .. 15:37
jlaska #topic Upcoming Test Days 15:37
jlaska on Tuesday we have ... 15:37
jlaska #info 2010-03-30 - SSSD by Default Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-03-30_SSSDByDefault 15:38
jlaska we're in good shape for this tomorrow ... the wiki has updated test cases (thanks shanks!) 15:39
jlaska and I'll be building updated live images later today to post to the iwki 15:39
jlaska s/iwki/wiki/ 15:39
jlaska Also this week ... 15:39
jlaska #intof 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT 15:39
jlaska kparal: how are things shaping up for Thursday 15:40
jlaska #info 2010-04-01 - ABRT Test Day -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-01_ABRT 15:40
jlaska good lord, I can't type today 15:40
shanks jlaska, anytime :) 15:40
kparal jlaska: jmoskovc complained he had really much work to do, but the test cases should be ready by thursday 15:40
jlaska kparal: lemme know if you need help from others to knock out those test cases 15:41
kparal will do 15:42
jlaska so busy week with Beta and test days 15:42
jlaska next week we'll have the Virt Test Day ... 15:42
jlaska #info 2010-04-08 - Virtualization test day - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-04-08_Virtualization 15:42
jlaska there aren't any test cases yet, I spoke w/ llim today who has someone who can work with jforbes to outline some high-level test instructions for the event 15:43
jlaska so that should start to flesh out this week 15:43
jlaska alrighty ... that's all I had on the agenda today 15:44
jlaska #topic Open Discussion - <your topic here> 15:44
jlaska Trying to keep things light today, since I know everyone is busy trying to make sure the Beta is outstanding 15:44
jlaska anything we didn't mention already that folks would to discuss today? 15:45
* kparal watches silence... 15:46
maxamillion nothing I can think of 15:46
jlaska alright then ... let's get back to the Beta :) 15:46
jlaska As usual, I'll send minutes to the list 15:47
jlaska thanks for your time everyone 15:47
jlaska #endmeeting 15:47

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