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Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-11-05
F8
- off to the mirrors; torrents are in progress
- later this afternoon hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect
- F8 is unlocked in bodhi so the requests will now show up in the list.
- 170 0-day updates so far
Post F8
- implement new development cycle
- change of names from "development" tree to "rawhide"
- making these changes early next week
- f13 to send out a proposal
- we need to prioritize F8Target blocker bug
- other details in IRC transcript
IRC Transcript
#!html <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /> <title>2007-11-05-14:10-meeting-snapshot</title> <link rel="stylesheet" href="irclog.css" /> <meta name="generator" content="irclog2html.py 2.3 by Marius Gedminas" /> <meta name="version" content="2.3 - 2005-03-28" /> </head> <body> <h1>2007-11-05-14:10-meeting-snapshot</h1> <table class="irclog"> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">jeremy: notting: rdieter: wwoods: jwb: spot: warren: poelcat: ping</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><td class="action" colspan="2">* poelcat present</td><td><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:03"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">here</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods almost here</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:04"><td class="action" colspan="2">* jeremy is here</td><td><a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">heh</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:05"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'll give it a few more minutes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:10"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods here</td><td><a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, we're in a holding pattern for Fedora 8 now.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">It's going to mirrors, torrents are in progress</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:11"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I made the bugzilla entry today</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:12"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">and later this afternoon I hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">f13: just unlocked F8 in bodhi, so the requests will now show up in the list.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">cool. how many 0-day updates are we looking at right now?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:13"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">170</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">phrreeow.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #8c4a4a"> poelcat</th><td class="text" style="color: #8c4a4a">youch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:14"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">that's updates-testing day 0. how many of those have actually requested a push to stable?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">68 stable</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">97 testing</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:16"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">which means there are 5 not submitted</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:17"><td class="action" colspan="2">* lmacken is thinking about making updates get auto-submitted to testing.. and still allow people to push right to stable.</td><td><a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:18"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">lmacken: or just nag mail for things unsubmitted</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:19"><th class="nick" style="background: #854685"> lmacken</th><td class="text" style="color: #854685">that would work too.. but with the cli doing a single command would be nice, instead of create, then submit.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:21"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">So, post f8 stuff.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:29"><td class="other" colspan="2">-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Post F8</td><td><a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We have the new development cycle to implement</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:30"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">mostly that means changing the Overview page and making sure the new schedule follows suit</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">We also wanted to do an s/development/rawhide/ on the mirror</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">right</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:31"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and probably s/devel/rawhide/ in bugzilla versions</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:33"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">We talked before a little bit about giving releases names at the start of the cycle</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">Wasn't there talk of dropping the "rawhide" name?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">EvilBob: back in FC1, yes</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I think mostly we just haven't been clear on the fact that 'rawhide' *is* the internal codename for the new product</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4d4d93"> jeremy</th><td class="text" style="color: #4d4d93">EvilBob: we're going back... what's old is new and all that :)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #4b904b"> EvilBob</th><td class="text" style="color: #4b904b">;^)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:34"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">retro rawhide</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:37"><th class="nick" style="background: #97974f"> mdomsch</th><td class="text" style="color: #97974f">rawhide++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:38"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: so F9Alpha, F9Beta, F9PR1, ... F9</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">(PR1 subject to change)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">how are those going to be numbered? 8.91, 8.92, 8.93, ... 9?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:39"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so pre-Alpha rawhide will be.. 8.90?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I thik that's what I set it for</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:40"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but if we are going to change development/rawhide/ I have to update it again anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:41"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I remember seeing a couple of exchanges like: "do you have the development repository enabled?" "no, I'm not doing software development, I just want to run rawhide"</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yep</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:42"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">are we going to change the repo file name?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:43"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">hrm, good question.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">we probably should</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:44"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">but... that may leave folks in an odd lurch</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:45"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">oh, true. how do we determine the initial state of the 'rawhide' repo? it should match 'development'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:46"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">not only that, but introducing a new file, and removing an old one, will keep the old one around, maybe as .rpmsave though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I have a feeling the window for a change like this is open right now but closing rapidly</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:47"><th class="nick" style="background: #42427e"> rdieter</th><td class="text" style="color: #42427e">doit++</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah, we'd have to announce now and give folks some time to prepare.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">(read mirrors)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">I'd like for skvidal / notting / jeremy / etc. to weigh in on this before we start changing things</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">would we change the name of the dir on the mirrors too?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* rdieter wants T-shirts: LIve 'n die by rawhide, livin la vida rawhide</td><td><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">I'd like to do this in a way that we don't make the mirrors have to resync everything.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: yes.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:48"><td class="action" colspan="2">* skvidal reads up on what I'm weighing in on</td><td><a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: it doesn't make sense to do this half assed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we can change the name of the repo, the *filename* of the repo, and the bugzilla version</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">without touching mirror layout</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">ah, okay</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">wwoods: but then the baseurl for rawhide points to development/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:49"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">so we're changing things to say 'rawhide' everywhere</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">are we going to manually [re] move those files in %scriptlets or are we counting on rpmnew/rpmsaves?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #818144"> jwb</th><td class="text" style="color: #818144">for "continuity" reasons</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:50"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">f13: right, well - that's a little odd but I don't think we're going to change package CVS f'rinstance</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">so there's some things that aren't going to be changing from 'devel' to 'rawhide'</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:51"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">the baseurl is more user-visible than that, though</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">skvidal: I was going ot count on .rpmsave</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">okay so we're just nuking the file in fedora-release</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:52"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">skvidal: the new file would be fedora-rawhide.repo so there /shouldn't/ be something to .rpmnew</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">skvidal: yeah, introduce new repo file in fedora-release, change bugzilla entry, change url on mirrors(potentially)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">where else have we called rawhide 'development'?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:53"><th class="nick" style="background: #9b519b"> skvidal</th><td class="text" style="color: #9b519b">do it - throw up a flag on blogs + mailing lists + the update notices (if any)</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">so yeah, making these changes early next week seems apropos</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:56"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">any other thoughts about this? I'll send up some proposals.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:57"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, make some proposals so we can get other people to find places we might be forgetting about</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #539e9e"> GeroldKa</th><td class="text" style="color: #539e9e">hi all</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:58"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, any other business to bring up?</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a></td></tr> <tr id="t13:59"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">If there's stuff that should really be handled in 0-day updates, let me know</td><td class="time"><a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">we need to prioritise F8Target but I'm not sure there's time to go through and actually set pri/sev on them</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">and people monkey with those anyway</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">yeah</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">well, attacking what's going to land in updates and updates-testing would be good, once they land that is.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:00"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">yeah, use bodhi to karma the important stuff that's there and bug people about what isn't</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">or just give me bug IDs and I'll track it, since that's probably what I'll be doing for the next few days</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, anything else? tummy monster needs to be fed.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">F8Target is still 126/391 open</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:01"><th class="nick" style="background: #488888"> wwoods</th><td class="text" style="color: #488888">:/</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:01"><td class="action" colspan="2">* wwoods done</td><td><a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a></td></tr> <tr id="t14:02"><th class="nick" style="background: #407a40"> f13</th><td class="text" style="color: #407a40">ok, meeting over. thanks all.</td><td class="time"><a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a></td></tr> </table> <div class="generatedby"> <p>Generated by irclog2html.py 2.3 by <a href="mailto:marius@pov.lt">Marius Gedminas</a> - find it at <a href="http://mg.pov.lt/irclog2html/">mg.pov.lt</a>!</p> </div> </body> </html>