QA/Meetings/20110307

Attendees

People present (lines said)

1. jlaska (116)
2. adamw (28)
3. vhumpa (15)
4. Viking-Ice (13)
5. brunowolff (7)
6. robatino (6)
7. kparal (4)
8. tflink (1)
9. jskladan_afk (1)

Unable to attend:

1. Rhe (hopefully sleeping)
2. Hongqing (hopefully sleeping)
3. Twu (hopefully sleeping)

Agenda

• Proposed meeting agenda
• MeetBot summary

Previous meeting follow-up

1. Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days
2. jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug
3. robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images

Upcoming QA events

Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop

Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta

Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1

http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html

Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	16:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Mar 7 16:00:03 2011 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	16:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	16:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	16:00
jlaska	#topic Roll Call	16:00
vhumpa	Hia!	16:00
jlaska	Hi folks ... anyone lurking for the QA meeting today?	16:00
* brunowolff is here.		16:00
* kparal again alive		16:00
* vhumpa is here		16:00
* jskladan_afk tips his hat		16:00
jlaska	kparal lives!	16:00
* tflink is here		16:00
jlaska	howdy brunowolff vhumpa jskladan tflink  :)	16:00
* Viking-Ice here		16:01
jlaska	hey hey Viking-Ice	16:01
* jlaska waits another minute before getting started		16:01
adamw	yo	16:02
jlaska	a minute on the nose!	16:02
jlaska	adamw: greetings	16:02
* adamw should really set his alarm for 7:54		16:03
jlaska	alright, we have a light agenda today ... so let's dive in	16:03
jlaska	#info Proposed Agenda - http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test/2011-March/097566.html	16:03
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	16:03
jlaska	#info Viking-Ice - solicit feedback on test@lists.fedoraproject.org to see whether we need to require only bugzilla.redhat.com use during test days	16:03
jlaska	Viking-Ice: any updates you want to highlight?	16:04
jlaska	okay ... I'll note if any updates come up	16:05
jlaska	otherwise, I propose moving this off the follow-up list ... I can certainly add it back when needed	16:05
Viking-Ice	still waiting for feed back on the bugzilla RFE I filed	16:06
jlaska	got a link?	16:06
Viking-Ice	maybe I should move that to upstream mozilla	16:06
jlaska	yes!	16:06
jlaska	I believe it's a sizable feature request	16:06
Viking-Ice	bug 679898	16:07
Viking-Ice	if that gets implemented it would solve that problem along with others as well ( from maintainers perspective )	16:07
jlaska	#link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=679898	16:07
Viking-Ice	and we could always use our bugzilla instance to report against	16:08
jlaska	sure ... we'll monitor that request	16:08
Viking-Ice	I have been expecting anykind of feed back from the red hat bugzilla team on that RFE	16:08
jlaska	I'm not surprised our current bz maintainer has not responded yet	16:09
jlaska	he's new and coming up to speed with maint ... and this is definitely a big RFE :)	16:09
jlaska	Your instinct about moving upstream is appropriate	16:10
jlaska	okay ... we'll stay tuned for any updates	16:10
jlaska	#info jlaska - review blocker bug meeting SOP and add include bug summary by way of #info for each bug	16:10
Viking-Ice	Ok will do	16:10
jlaska	nothing earth shattering here, just a minor wiki update	16:10
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting	16:10
jlaska	I'll try to follow this and use #info tags during this Fridays blocker meeting	16:11
jlaska	I'm lazy, and wish that meetbot/zodbot/*bot could automatically do this ... but haven't had time to look at the bot code	16:11
jlaska	so ... exercise for anyone who likes bots	16:11
jlaska	#info robatino+jlaska - infrastructure hosting of delta ISO images	16:11
jlaska	robatino and nb get the credit for this ... it seems the issue has been resolved	16:12
* kparal starts fireworks		16:12
jlaska	iirc, robatino now has the space needed to publish the TC and RC delta ISOs for testers	16:12
robatino	hosted now at http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/ - comments for organization welcome	16:12
robatino	right now the top-level directory is newiso, the next level is oldiso	16:12
adamw	yayness	16:13
jlaska	#link http://serverbeach1.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/deltaisos/	16:13
adamw	we should spread the word	16:13
jlaska	robatino: do you need any updates to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Delta_ISOs ?	16:13
Viking-Ice	what's the difference in Delto iso vs Regular iso ?	16:13
jlaska	Viking-Ice: analogous to delta-rpm and regular rpm	16:13
kparal	robatino: have you considered also posting torrents into that directory? is it possible to use fedora torrent tracker for that?	16:13
Viking-Ice	so we have a smaller iso size?	16:14
Viking-Ice	can fit more stuff ?	16:14
robatino	jlaska: i'll have to think about it if the server content isn't self-explanatory	16:14
jlaska	Viking-Ice: yeah ... so testers with limited bandwidth can participate in TC and RC testing	16:14
jlaska	robatino: okay	16:14
Viking-Ice	Ok	16:14
jlaska	Viking-Ice: no ... not so we can fit more stuff ... this is so you don't need to download the entire DVD after you already downloaded TC1 DVD.iso	16:14
jlaska	Viking-Ice: hopefully Delta_ISOs provides more detail	16:15
robatino	kparal: i really hated using torrents for this since it's partly for people with limited bandwidth	16:15
jlaska	adamw: "get the word out" ... what'd you have in mind?	16:15
adamw	blogs	16:15
adamw	nothing special	16:15
adamw	just mention it :)	16:15
jlaska	right on	16:15
robatino	i also have deltas for 12->13 and 13->14 which are about half full size	16:15
Viking-Ice	and announcement to the test list :)	16:15
adamw	and of course we'll need to update the pre-release announcements, but since robatino usually winds up doing those it shouldn't be a problem =)	16:16
adamw	Viking-Ice: i think it already was	16:16
jlaska	test-announce@ certainly a good idea	16:16
adamw	i remember reading a mail about it, anyway	16:16
jlaska	info is linked from the validation wiki pages iirc	16:16
adamw	oh no	16:16
kparal	robatino: well I noticed some people who got very low speed for fedora servers. but wouldn't mind using torrents	16:16
robatino	adamw: i only post deltaiso links on the test matrix pages anyway, and the announcements link to those	16:16
adamw	it was a private email	16:16
jlaska	certainly worth some visibility on fedora planet ... so feel free to mention it if you aggregate your blog there	16:17
jlaska	(myself included in that request)	16:17
jlaska	anything else from last week?	16:17
jlaska	if not ... moving on ...	16:18
jlaska	#topic Upcoming QA events	16:18
jlaska	#info Tuesday, March 08 - l10n Desktop Test Day	16:18
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-08_L10n_Desktop	16:18
jlaska	the announcement just hit test-announce -- http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/test-announce/2011-March/000202.html	16:18
adamw	this is looking good except for the test case link	16:19
jlaska	unlike the previous two events that focused on the installer and the desktop environment ... this is intended to target desktop apps	16:19
jlaska	adamw: suggestions?	16:19
jlaska	heh, that is weird :)	16:19
jlaska	adamw: perhaps should link to a wiki page that uses the standard Description A brief description of the functionality being tested. How to test Start here ... Next do this ... Finally click that Expected Results Step #1 completes without error The system boots into runlevel 5 Program completes with exit code 0 ?	16:20
adamw	i'm not sure what it's meant to be doing :)	16:20
jlaska	Well ... let's start that discussion at https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/158	16:21
adamw	okay	16:21
jlaska	#info adamw noted that the test case link doesn't point to a valid test case template (e.g. QA:TestCase_foo_bar_baz)	16:22
jlaska	rhe: has been helping coordinate, so she may be able to run with any ideas/suggestions you have	16:22
jlaska	okay ... next up ...	16:23
jlaska	#info Thursday, March 10 - Gnome3 Pre-Beta Test Day	16:23
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-10_GNOME3_Beta	16:23
jlaska	vhumpa and rlat have been investing some prep time in the second GNOME shell test day	16:23
jlaska	vhumpa: any updates, how are things looking for you?	16:24
adamw	nice job guys	16:24
vhumpa	adamw: I finished implementing your notes from Friday just a little while ago	16:24
* jlaska sees two shiny test matrices!		16:24
vhumpa	Hope all is moreorless ready now	16:24
adamw	vhumpa: cool	16:24
vhumpa	If somebody have a BT phone, please try this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_gnome-bluetooth_send_file	16:25
adamw	we just need to look at live images, we can probably just link to nightlies this time	16:25
adamw	we only needed custom images last time because of the alpha freeze	16:25
vhumpa	adamw: I agree nighties should be fine	16:25
vhumpa	adamw: I am running the last one right now :)	16:26
adamw	anyone know when the alpha freeze ends, actually?	16:26
adamw	or did it already and i missed it?	16:26
jlaska	dgilmore would know	16:26
jlaska	I don't see it on the rel-eng schedule, or am missing it	16:26
brunowolff	For packages it is over.	16:26
adamw	okay.	16:26
jlaska	brunowolff: thx	16:27
jlaska	adamw: so that means tested updates should be landing in the nightlies?	16:27
brunowolff	Pretty much when Rc2 was certified at the go / no-go meeting.	16:27
adamw	jlaska: yeah, and it looks like they are.	16:27
jlaska	excellent	16:27
adamw	so we should be good.	16:27
jlaska	vhumpa: we have several folks who can host live images if for some reason we need them	16:28
vhumpa	Is the alpha freeze a reason why I was getting no new updates for F15 last couple of days?	16:28
brunowolff	There isn't really an updates repo. Just updates-testing and branched.	16:29
jlaska	vhumpa: I believe so ... during the "freeze", the base f15 repo wasn't changed except for approved blockers	16:29
adamw	yeah, though if you had updates-testing enabled, you'd get updates all the way through.	16:29
jlaska	vhumpa: rlat: adamw: nice work on the GNOME3 prep ... shout if any assistance is needed	16:30
jlaska	next up ...	16:30
vhumpa	Okay, just that I wasn't getting anything from updates-testing as well, but I gues the problem is elswhere then	16:30
jlaska	#info Friday, March 11 - F15Beta bug review #1	16:30
jlaska	#link Per the schedule, we'll have our first beta blocker review this Froday - http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-15/f-15-quality-tasks.html	16:30
jlaska	and for those who like links ...	16:30
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:SOP_Blocker_Bug_Meeting	16:31
jlaska	describes the format of the meeting	16:31
jlaska	I'll send out an announcement Wednesday	16:31
jlaska	last update ...	16:31
jlaska	#info Thursday, March 17 - Preupgrade Test Day	16:31
jlaska	#link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2011-03-17_Preupgrade	16:31
jlaska	Once again, Hurry is initiating this event	16:31
jlaska	we have a bug outstanding against preupgrade where it needs to accomodate the installer install.img change in F15. A patch is available, and we'll just need to get an updated preupgrade from hughsie that we can point testers to	16:32
jlaska	with that in hand, we should be able to make some good traction on preupgrade testing ... since it currently doesn't function against F15	16:32
jlaska	alright ... if nothing else, I'll go to open-discussion	16:32
jlaska	#info Need updated preupgrade that works without 'images/install.img' to test with F13 and F14	16:33
jlaska	#topic Open discussion - <Your topic here>	16:33
jlaska	okay folks ... those are all the topics I had	16:33
jlaska	anything else not already discussed?	16:33
vhumpa	jlaska: about the image hosting: do you think that will be needed for bandwidh reasons, if we decide to go with night build?	16:34
jlaska	vhumpa: to my knowledge, the size of the test day (or nightly) live image is acceptable for participants	16:35
jlaska	at least, I haven't seen a lot of complaints about downloading a single ISO for a test day (< 700 Mib)	16:35
vhumpa	I mean I was just wondering whether the normal server can handle the downloads by the testers	16:36
jlaska	vhumpa: oh oh, I see. I believe so, but if we encounter problems, let's raise that with the experts in #fedora-admin for assistance	16:36
vhumpa	jlaska: okay, perhaps we can quickly establish a mirror if that will happen	16:37
vhumpa	I'll try to be monitoring the sit	16:37
jlaska	vhumpa: okay	16:37
vhumpa	jlaska: Let's hope we need a mirror ;-)	16:38
adamw	i think they're ultimately pretty much the same thing (alt vs. fedorapeople)	16:38
vhumpa	Okay, this should be all from me	16:39
jlaska	adamw: I started documenting the installer related CommonBugs ... I should have the remaining installer issues knocked out shortly. If you have time, I could use help with the X/kernel issues	16:39
brunowolff	I did a download this morning from I2 and was getting around 10MB/s. So I think downloads should be reasonable	16:39
jlaska	vhumpa: agreed, hopefully we won't hit any download issues :)	16:39
brunowolff	with a dozen or so going on at once.	16:39
adamw	jlaska: yeah, i'll get on it	16:40
jlaska	adamw: your fingers are faster than mine, but I'm working my way down the list (starting with anaconda) so hopefully we can meet in the middle	16:40
adamw	sure	16:40
jlaska	brunowolff: that's not too bad at all	16:40
jlaska	any other topics to cover today?	16:40
jlaska	#info jlaska and adamw discussed documenting the outstanding bugs requesting CommonBugs documentation. The process is detailed at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F15_bugs#My_bug_is_not_listed	16:41
jlaska	#info vhumpa asked about alt.fedoraproject.org download speeds for live images. brunowolff noted the speeds should be okay and jlaska reminded to raise any issues with #fedora-admin for guidance	16:42
jlaska	alright ... setting the fuse at 1 minute until #endmeeting	16:42
jlaska	btw ... we said it last week during the go/no_go ... but once again, THANK YOU to our testers for yet another Fedora milestone	16:43
jlaska	wiki results, bug reports and discussion on the mailing list all contribute to identifying potential blocker bugs and understanding whether we meet the release criteria	16:43
jlaska	so thank you to all who participated and help get it out the door	16:43
brunowolff	This one was a tough one too, with the mass rebuild happening so close to freeze.	16:44
jlaska	excactly	16:44
jlaska	exactly (even)	16:44
jlaska	so much change (rebuild, branch)	16:44
jlaska	okay gang ... I'm calling end of meeting	16:44
jlaska	thanks for your attendance and time	16:44
jlaska	I'll send minutes to the list	16:44
jlaska	As always, feel free to follow-up on the list with any topics you weren't able to raise during the meeting	16:45
jlaska	#endmeeting	16:45

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