QA/Meetings/20130415

Attendees

• adamw (73)
• jreznik (17)
• brunowolff (7)
• jskladan (6)
• pjones (6)
• randomuser` (5)
• Viking-Ice (4)
• jwb (4)
• mjg59 (3)
• zodbot (3)
• tflink (2)
• sn_op (2)
• mkrizek (1)
• satellit (1)
• satellit_e (1)
• pschindl (1)

Agenda

• Fedora 19 Alpha status
• Test Days
• Open floor

Fedora 19 Alpha status

• TC6 was out and testing so far looked reasonably positive, #947142 was outstanding blocker
• randomuser was planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes
• mjg59 was still refining the #947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we could pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild

Test Days

• We were unsure whether Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_(l10n) happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled or re-organized
• Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management looked well set up, we just needed to send out announcements
• FreeIPA test day page was mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors

Open floor

N/A

Action items

• adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6
• jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Apr 15 15:00:44 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	#topic Roll call	15:00
adamw	morning folks, who's a roll?	15:00
* tflink is here		15:00
* mkrizek is here		15:01
* randomuser is lurking around, why not		15:01
* satellit listening		15:01
* jskladan lurks		15:01
* brunowolff is here		15:01
adamw	but are you rolls?!	15:03
tflink	rofl?	15:03
* jreznik is roll		15:04
adamw	ahem	15:05
adamw	morning everyone	15:05
adamw	#topic fedora 19 alpha status	15:05
adamw	soo, we're not looking too bad	15:06
adamw	TC6 testing looks pretty solid (or am I missing anything)? and we just have the remaining EFI bug to zap, really	15:06
adamw	there's a few more proposed blockers we'll deal with at the review meeting right after this meeting	15:07
* satellit_e adamw: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=949761#c22 EFI install worked on MacBookPro i7 with litd USB		15:07
adamw	anyone have any issues/concerns for alpha?	15:07
adamw	satellit: thanks	15:07
brunowolff	Is there a warning about using very old graphics cards and gnome?	15:08
adamw	not really	15:09
brunowolff	That doesn't look like it is going to work for alpha and those people should be steered to something like XFCE.	15:09
adamw	how do you mean, "isn't going to work"?	15:09
adamw	llvmpipe is working fine so far as I know. do you mean blacklisted cards?	15:09
randomuser	brunowolff, I'm intending to make such a statement in the the release notes and/or install guide, fwiw	15:09
* Viking-Ice lurks		15:09
brunowolff	llvmpipe doesn't work on at least one of my old machines.	15:09
brunowolff	The second old machine also doesn't get into gnome, but that might be due to something other than llvmpipe.	15:10
jreznik	for that one outstanding bug we need some evidence that clearing efivars could help as looking on LKML, fix is still under review... mjg59 should know more, I hope, pls	15:10
Viking-Ice	is the size of the efi partition being checked along with proper configuration and removal of files on kernel updates?	15:10
Viking-Ice	and the correct mount path or is just people checking installing with uefi and if they can boot ?	15:11
brunowolff	Now my machines are really old and don't have sse2 instructions, which may only be a small subset of machines with old graphics cards.	15:11
adamw	jreznik: tc6 already has the fix that cleans out pstore - https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=950709	15:12
jreznik	adamw: yes, I know - but it could be still tricky - as it could require up to two reboots...	15:13
adamw	brunowolff: oh, right, the sse2 bug.	15:13
adamw	so you're more talking 'old CPU and blacklisted gfx card'.	15:13
jreznik	Viking-Ice: the idea is - abrt will report dumped crashes and reports them + anaconda will clean it up at install time	15:14
brunowolff	Yes.	15:14
jreznik	now the question is why some people see empty pstore and dumps in efivars I'd say reading the latest comments in the bug	15:14
adamw	Viking-Ice: this isn't about the EFI system partition where kernels live	15:14
Viking-Ice	ok did not know to what extend we where testing efi	15:15
adamw	Viking-Ice: it's about some space in the NVRAM, which the OS can actually write stuff to	15:15
jreznik	and combination of several conditions...	15:16
adamw	jreznik: well, because of 947142. which is where we came in.	15:16
adamw	#info TC6 is out and testing so far looks reasonably positive, we are mostly waiting on a fix for 947142 now	15:18
adamw	#info randomuser is planning to include a note about problems running Shell on blacklisted graphics cards and old CPUs in the release notes	15:19
randomuser	ah	15:19
randomuser	help me out on the blacklisted cards bit	15:19
jreznik	that's the question - if we really need a fix for 947142 or not - if it really makes that difference for most of the systems, there are reports just wiping out dumps from efi are enough :)	15:20
randomuser`	adamw, i was thinking more of a generic 'if you have a less powerful machine, use a lighter DE'	15:20
adamw	jreznik: oh, i see. good question, i guess we can send out a call for more uefi testing again	15:20
adamw	#action adamw to send out another call for UEFI testing with TC6	15:21
adamw	anything else for alpha? last call for alpha.	15:21
pjones	yes, we really need a fix for 947142.	15:23
pjones	If for no other reason than it basically means on many machines you can't re-test more than once.	15:23
* pschindl is here (I stuck in the treffic jam)		15:24
adamw	pjones: even with the fix that wipes efivars at install time?	15:24
pjones	that may sometimes help, but it's not a 100% sort of thing	15:24
sn_op	secure boot is great for people with alzeimers	15:25
jreznik	it's a fix that should make the reported size more "correct" as far as I understand it so you can end with the same problem	15:25
sn_op	you cant get enough of peoples faces once they realixe they forgot the encription password	15:26
adamw	...okay.	15:27
adamw	pjones: alright, thanks. we'll keep waiting for the fix then	15:27
jreznik	adamw: I can't pretend I understand the problem, but still I'd go with that - please retest and to collect results as see my comment above...	15:28
adamw	sure.	15:28
adamw	pjones: do you have any news on the status of the fix, btw? or better apply to mjg59?	15:29
jreznik	I think it's this one https://lkml.org/lkml/2013/4/9/828	15:29
pjones	you'll have to ask the kernel team about the fedora kernels, but he has posted something	15:30
jwb	jreznik, that's stale.	15:30
adamw	so aiui as soon as the patch is acceptable to upstream, we can pull it into our kernel and rebuild, right jwb?	15:31
pjones	http://paste.fedoraproject.org/7458 was the thing he was saying worked earlier	15:31
pjones	but, again, jwb's answer trumps mine ;)	15:31
jwb	adamw, basically, yes	15:31
adamw	okay.	15:32
adamw	pjones: thanks much	15:32
jwb	afaik, we won't even have to carry it long	15:32
adamw	#info mjg59 is still refining the 947142 fix, as soon as it's acceptable upstream we can pull it into F19 kernel and rebuild	15:32
jreznik	jwb: would it be possible to carry it only for now even it's not completely accepted by upstream but it will turn out to help us now?	15:33
jwb	no	15:33
jreznik	ok	15:35
adamw	alrighty, moving on	15:35
adamw	#topic Test Days	15:35
adamw	it doesn't look like much happened for https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-11_Translation_%28l10n%29 . I missed that one, I was probably panicking about alpha.	15:36
adamw	anyone have any info there?	15:36
adamw	(crickets)	15:37
adamw	so I guess that's a "no" :)	15:39
adamw	anyone want an action item to follow up on it?	15:39
jreznik	I can do it	15:40
adamw	#info we're unsure whether Translations (l10n) test day happened, and whether it needs to be re-scheduled / re-organized	15:40
adamw	#action jreznik to follow up on status of Translations (l10n) test day	15:40
adamw	thanks jaro	15:40
adamw	two other test days are scheduled this week - https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-17_Power_Management and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-04-18 (freeipa)	15:41
adamw	I guess I'd better try and check up on those	15:41
adamw	and send out some publicity etc	15:41
jskladan	adamw: i know that pm testday will happen :) IMHO we'll have the usual 'public' testday during openhouse	15:42
adamw	what's this shiny new feedback tool?	15:42
adamw	#info power management test day looks well set up, we just need to send out announcements	15:42
adamw	#info freeipa page is mostly ready, looks to be a cut/paste dump from last year, so check for errors	15:43
adamw	i guess that's all for test days	15:45
adamw	anything else?	15:45
jreznik	adamw: maybe restart discussion about TCs after RCs as we hit it now...	15:45
adamw	i'm not sure we have time for that talkfest before blocker review	15:45
adamw	but if someone wants to bring it up in open floor, sure	15:46
jreznik	at least to poke it on ml...	15:46
adamw	i meant 'anything else about test days', though, while we're still on the test day topic.	15:46
jreznik	ok, sorry	15:46
adamw	sounds like that's a negatory	15:47
adamw	#topic open floor	15:47
adamw	anything for open floor? anyone keen for a talkfest? :)	15:47
* jreznik would like to avoid talkfest :) maybe mailing list is now better option		15:47
adamw	sure	15:48
adamw	someone tell us a jokje	15:50
adamw	also a joke	15:50
jskladan	You know that one about canadian lumberjack? ;)	15:51
adamw	heh	15:51
adamw	welp, if that's all we got, everyone go get a beefy miracle and join us again in #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the hour for some AWESOME BLOCKER REVIEW FUN	15:52
* adamw sets quantum fuse		15:52
jskladan	Canadian lumberjack's favourite sushi? The long roll...	15:53
jskladan	Damg autocorrect *log roll	15:53
adamw	ba-dum tish	15:53
adamw	jskladan will be here all week or until the customers throw him out, tip your server!	15:53
* jskladan quits in shame!		15:54
mjg59	adamw: Patches appear to look good to upstream now	15:54
adamw	mjg59: yay!	15:54
mjg59	Just posted them for further review	15:54
adamw	so we can maybe get a kernel today?	15:54
mjg59	Maybe!	15:54
adamw	yay	15:54
adamw	and on that positive note...thanks for coming, all	15:55
adamw	#endmeeting	15:55

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