QA/Meetings/20130603

Attendees

• adamw (65)
• kparal (19)
• mjg59 (12)
• jreznik (11)
• tflink (9)
• brunowolff (5)
• zodbot (5)
• j_dulaney (3)
• satellit (3)
• jskladan (1)
• nirik (1)

Agenda

• Previous meeting follow-up
• Fedora 19 Final planning
• Test Days
• Open floor

Previous meeting follow-up

• adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs - this was done, page is up to date for Beta
• adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes - this was done, issue was called out in the release announcement, slashdot has not crucified us
• adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria - this is currently in progress, aimed to be complete by Wednesday's blocker review meeting
• tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI - not done yet, but planned soon
• tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week - this was done, the meeting went ahead
• adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices - not done yet, but more of a long-term goal for F20
• martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time - it was ready and went ahead fine
• satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS - an initial plan is available

Fedora 19 Final planning

• TC1 was due 2013-06-04, adamw would ensure it got composed
• mjg59 informed us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues; it should be included in TC1

Test Days

• Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off quite successfully, we saw testing and developer feedback in both
• Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager and Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication both looked ready to go, kparal was working on a live image for NM test day

Action items

• adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team

IRC Log

adamw	#startmeeting Fedora QA meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Jun 3 15:00:50 2013 UTC. The chair is adamw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
adamw	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
adamw	#topic Roll call	15:00
adamw	morning folks, who's ready for fun?	15:01
* jreznik is ready for another meeting in a row		15:01
* jskladan tips his hat		15:01
* j_dulaney lurks		15:01
* satellit listening in Bellingham motel		15:01
tflink	jreznik: /me is here	15:01
tflink	huh, that didn't work	15:02
* kparal here		15:02
* brunowolff is here		15:04
* nirik is lurking as well		15:04
* adamw really needs to get that anti-lurking kit installed		15:05
* jreznik is working on an announcement for the devel-announce list, needs anti-lurking kit as he's more lurking now :)		15:05
adamw	#topic previous meeting follow-up	15:06
adamw	#info "adamw and anyone else to work on updating Common_F19_bugs" - I got that one done, it's pretty much up to date	15:07
adamw	#info "adamw to talk to rbergeron and make sure packagekit/policykit issue makes it into the beta release notes" - yup, got a mention of it into the release announcement, and no crazy slashdot conspiracy theories yet	15:07
adamw	#info "adamw to complete 'new model' criteria revision by converting the final criteria" - I started working on that Friday, I'll aim to complete it today or tomorrow	15:07
adamw	"tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - tflink?	15:08
tflink	not done yet, on my todo list for today	15:08
adamw	.fire tflink first of the week	15:09
zodbot	adamw fires tflink first of the week	15:09
adamw	aw, no bot in here? boo.	15:09
adamw	yay!	15:09
adamw	#info "tflink to update the iscsi test case for newUI" - not done yet but should be soon	15:09
adamw	#info "tflink to schedule first blocker review meeting for this week" - that was done, we had two review meetings last week	15:10
adamw	#info "adamw to look at extracting some test cases from Test_Day:2013-05-21_AnacondaNewUI_Followup for use as optional test cases (or even enforceable partitioning test cases) for the validation matrices" - not done yet but it's kind of a long-term plan, it's on my todo list	15:10
adamw	#info "martix to ensure spice test day is ready on time" - that seemed to be sorted out fine	15:10
adamw	#info "satellit_e to work on some test cases for SoaS" - satellit drafted up some ideas at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases	15:11
satellit	SoaS test cases? list of ideas http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Fedora_19-sugar_test_cases	15:12
satellit	: )	15:12
adamw	:)	15:12
adamw	sorry i didn't get a sec to review them yet, i'll do it today	15:12
adamw	any other follow-up items I missed?	15:12
brunowolff	I retested llvmpipe on a particular non-SSE2 CPU and it's still broken.	15:13
adamw	ah yeah I saw your comment	15:16
adamw	that's a bit of a pain. and you might be right about advising people with old machines to grab something other than GNOME	15:16
adamw	we could probably mark the bug as requiring a release note for that	15:16
adamw	#action adamw to mark LLVMpipe-without-SSE2 bug as needing a release note and explain why to docs team	15:17
adamw	#topic Fedora 19 Final planning	15:19
adamw	#info TC1 is due tomorrow, 2013-06-04, I will request the compose then	15:20
adamw	do we have any major worries at this point, or things we need to get in place soon?	15:20
* adamw can't think of anything urgent beyond the revised criteria		15:20
kparal	the sooner we have TC1 the better. let's request today :)	15:21
tflink	have we done much upgrade testing? I've seen several comments and bugs, but wasn't sure how much poking has been done so far	15:21
* jreznik would not be against requesting it sooner, if there's nothing we really want in tc1		15:21
kparal	I did some upgrade testing on UEFI	15:21
jreznik	poor kparal touching UEFI	15:22
* kparal now has a master's degree in bios re-flashing		15:23
adamw	tflink: quite a few people have run fedup I think, and we did fill the matrix for beta	15:24
adamw	kparal: :)	15:24
tflink	adamw: yeah, I was just thinking about the less-straightforward configs that ended up causing trouble after F18 release	15:24
mjg59	adamw: We should finally have a patch that resolves most of the UEFI variable issues	15:25
adamw	right, that's another area we could do with more test cases	15:26
adamw	mjg59: yay! so there _were_ still issues on the kenrel side?	15:26
adamw	what's the timeframe on landing that?	15:26
mjg59	adamw: Well, no. Issues on the firmware side.	15:26
kparal	mjg59: what are the changes?	15:26
mjg59	But I have finally come up with an elegant mechanism for making the damn things do what we want	15:26
jreznik	mjg59: and how much you can do with fw side?	15:26
jreznik	mjg59: nice to hear!	15:27
mjg59	kparal: Change the threshold from 50% to 5KB, do something magic which will (in theory) force the firmware to trigger garbage collection	15:27
kparal	mjg59: sounds good. can we expect a blogpost about the details?	15:27
mjg59	kparal: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/25091.html	15:27
jreznik	mjg59: what do you achieve by changing 50% to 5 KB?	15:27
kparal	mjg59: thanks!	15:28
mjg59	jreznik: It's less than the maximum variable size, so we can create a new variable that's larger than the remaining space	15:29
mjg59	Or, rather, attempt to	15:29
kparal	mjg59: does it mean that kernel panics will never again be stored in uefi nvram, too risky?	15:29
* jreznik is reading the blog post		15:29
mjg59	kparal: No, we should be safe in doing that	15:29
adamw	mjg59: any news on the timeframe?	15:29
mjg59	adamw: It's on LKML, jwb has a scratch build	15:30
mjg59	kparal: That's currently disabled because it turns out the code is shit (which may be, uh, my fault)	15:30
adamw	mjg59: well, I mean, getting it in an official f19 kernel build	15:31
mjg59	adamw: Once we've got confirmation from some testing of the scratch build	15:31
adamw	kparal: hint hint :)	15:32
jreznik	kparal: hint, hint ^^^	15:32
kparal	thanks guys	15:32
jreznik	adamw: hey, you were faster!	15:32
adamw	.fire jreznik there can be only one	15:32
zodbot	adamw fires jreznik there can be only one	15:32
kparal	mjg59: can you give us a link to that scratch build?	15:32
mjg59	Linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335	15:33
adamw	#info mjg59 informs us a kernel patch is coming which ought to resolve most of the UEFI variable space issues. scratch build for testing linked from https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=964335	15:33
adamw	thanks matt!	15:33
kparal	I'll try to understand the blogpost and then test the build	15:33
* jreznik thinks he understands what mjg59 wants to achieve, hopes firmwares will be cooperative :)		15:34
adamw	#topic Test Days	15:34
adamw	#info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-28_Virtualization and https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-05-30_Spice both went off pretty successfully last week, i saw lots of active testing on both	15:35
adamw	although - kparal, next time check in with the virt folks on the details of the live image; we kinda needed it to be installable for virt testing	15:36
kparal	they didn't say	15:36
kparal	why we need anaconda?	15:36
adamw	they weren't aware we dropped anaconda from test day lives	15:36
adamw	well, because you can't really do virt hosting from a live session	15:36
adamw	unless you have like 32GB of RAM	15:36
adamw	we just told people to use the beta lives and that worked out fine, so it wasn't a big deal	15:37
kparal	I see	15:37
kparal	in that case maybe a tailored Live wasn't needed at all	15:37
adamw	yeah, maybe	15:37
adamw	like i said, it didn't turn out to be a big problem, just a note	15:37
kparal	I'm waiting for dcbw to give me a list of packages for tomorrow's test day so that I can build a Live image for them	15:38
kparal	FreeIPA test day should be good, they're creating the image themselves	15:38
adamw	cool;	15:38
adamw	#info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-04_Network_Manager page looks ready, kparal is working on the live image	15:39
adamw	#info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2013-06-06_FreeIPA_Two_Factor_Authentication looks ready to go	15:39
adamw	any other test day notes from anyone?	15:39
adamw	#topic Open floor	15:42
adamw	welp, here we are folks, any other business/	15:42
tflink	nothing I can think of, no	15:42
adamw	tflink: we have rather a lot of proposed blockers; should we do blocker review next?	15:43
tflink	probably, yes	15:44
kparal	oh, I hoped you wouldn't ask :)	15:44
tflink	that looks like at least 3 hours of fun	15:44
* tflink gets started on prep		15:44
adamw	kparal: c'mon, you know I never miss blocker review fun	15:45
kparal	well, I don't miss it either	15:46
* j_dulaney is off		15:46
j_dulaney	Apologies for not participating	15:46
adamw	so that's blocker review fun in bat-channel #fedora-blocker-review at the top of the clock, folks	15:47
adamw	strap yourselves in	15:47
brunowolff	Note that if you are using rawhide kernels on f19, the grub(2) conf files don't (and won't) get updated.	15:48
adamw	oh, yeah, that bug's worth a call-out	15:48
adamw	do you have the number handy?	15:48
brunowolff	I can find it. I think it is closed though.	15:49
adamw	welp, sounds like that's everything	15:54
adamw	blocker review in 5 minutes folks, thanks for coming!	15:54
brunowolff	While looking, it looks like they might have pushed the fixed systemd to f19 today. Yeah!	15:54
adamw	yay!	15:54
adamw	#endmeeting	15:54

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