ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2007-nov-05

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2007-11-05

F8

• off to the mirrors; torrents are in progress
• later this afternoon hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect
• F8 is unlocked in bodhi so the requests will now show up in the list.
• 170 0-day updates so far

Post F8

• implement new development cycle
• change of names from "development" tree to "rawhide"
• making these changes early next week
• f13 to send out a proposal
• we need to prioritize F8Target blocker bug
• other details in IRC transcript

2007-11-05-14:10-meeting-snapshot

f13	jeremy: notting: rdieter: wwoods: jwb: spot: warren: poelcat: ping	<a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a>
* poelcat present		<a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a>
rdieter	here	<a href="#t13:02" class="time">13:02</a>
jwb	here	<a href="#t13:03" class="time">13:03</a>
* wwoods almost here		<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>
* jeremy is here		<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>
f13	heh	<a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a>
f13	I'll give it a few more minutes	<a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a>
* wwoods here		<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>
f13	well, we're in a holding pattern for Fedora 8 now.	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
f13	It's going to mirrors, torrents are in progress	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
f13	I made the bugzilla entry today	<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>
f13	and later this afternoon I hope to get a push of F8 updates(-testing) done and drop the mirror-manager redirect	<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>
lmacken	f13: just unlocked F8 in bodhi, so the requests will now show up in the list.	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
wwoods	cool. how many 0-day updates are we looking at right now?	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
lmacken	170	<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>
wwoods	phrreeow.	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
poelcat	youch	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
wwoods	that's updates-testing day 0. how many of those have actually requested a push to stable?	<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>
lmacken	68 stable	<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
lmacken	97 testing	<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
lmacken	which means there are 5 not submitted	<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>
* lmacken is thinking about making updates get auto-submitted to testing.. and still allow people to push right to stable.		<a href="#t13:17" class="time">13:17</a>
f13	lmacken: or just nag mail for things unsubmitted	<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>
lmacken	that would work too.. but with the cli doing a single command would be nice, instead of create, then submit.	<a href="#t13:19" class="time">13:19</a>
f13	yeah	<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>
f13	So, post f8 stuff.	<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Post F8		<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>
f13	We have the new development cycle to implement	<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>
f13	mostly that means changing the Overview page and making sure the new schedule follows suit	<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>
f13	We also wanted to do an s/development/rawhide/ on the mirror	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
wwoods	right	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
wwoods	and probably s/devel/rawhide/ in bugzilla versions	<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>
wwoods	We talked before a little bit about giving releases names at the start of the cycle	<a href="#t13:33" class="time">13:33</a>
EvilBob	Wasn't there talk of dropping the "rawhide" name?	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
jeremy	EvilBob: back in FC1, yes	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
wwoods	I think mostly we just haven't been clear on the fact that 'rawhide' *is* the internal codename for the new product	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
jeremy	EvilBob: we're going back... what's old is new and all that :)	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
EvilBob	;^)	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
rdieter	retro rawhide	<a href="#t13:34" class="time">13:34</a>
mdomsch	rawhide++	<a href="#t13:37" class="time">13:37</a>
wwoods	f13: so F9Alpha, F9Beta, F9PR1, ... F9	<a href="#t13:38" class="time">13:38</a>
wwoods	(PR1 subject to change)	<a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a>
wwoods	how are those going to be numbered? 8.91, 8.92, 8.93, ... 9?	<a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a>
f13	yes.	<a href="#t13:39" class="time">13:39</a>
wwoods	so pre-Alpha rawhide will be.. 8.90?	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
f13	I thik that's what I set it for	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
f13	but if we are going to change development/rawhide/ I have to update it again anyway	<a href="#t13:40" class="time">13:40</a>
wwoods	I remember seeing a couple of exchanges like: "do you have the development repository enabled?" "no, I'm not doing software development, I just want to run rawhide"	<a href="#t13:41" class="time">13:41</a>
f13	yep	<a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a>
wwoods	are we going to change the repo file name?	<a href="#t13:42" class="time">13:42</a>
f13	hrm, good question.	<a href="#t13:43" class="time">13:43</a>
f13	we probably should	<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
f13	but... that may leave folks in an odd lurch	<a href="#t13:44" class="time">13:44</a>
wwoods	oh, true. how do we determine the initial state of the 'rawhide' repo? it should match 'development'	<a href="#t13:45" class="time">13:45</a>
f13	not only that, but introducing a new file, and removing an old one, will keep the old one around, maybe as .rpmsave though	<a href="#t13:46" class="time">13:46</a>
wwoods	I have a feeling the window for a change like this is open right now but closing rapidly	<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>
rdieter	doit++	<a href="#t13:47" class="time">13:47</a>
f13	yeah, we'd have to announce now and give folks some time to prepare.	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
f13	(read mirrors)	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
wwoods	I'd like for skvidal / notting / jeremy / etc. to weigh in on this before we start changing things	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
wwoods	would we change the name of the dir on the mirrors too?	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
* rdieter wants T-shirts: LIve 'n die by rawhide, livin la vida rawhide		<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
f13	I'd like to do this in a way that we don't make the mirrors have to resync everything.	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
f13	wwoods: yes.	<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
* skvidal reads up on what I'm weighing in on		<a href="#t13:48" class="time">13:48</a>
f13	wwoods: it doesn't make sense to do this half assed.	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
wwoods	we can change the name of the repo, the *filename* of the repo, and the bugzilla version	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
wwoods	without touching mirror layout	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
skvidal	ah, okay	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
f13	wwoods: but then the baseurl for rawhide points to development/	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
skvidal	so we're changing things to say 'rawhide' everywhere	<a href="#t13:49" class="time">13:49</a>
skvidal	are we going to manually [re] move those files in %scriptlets or are we counting on rpmnew/rpmsaves?	<a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a>
jwb	for "continuity" reasons	<a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a>
wwoods	f13: right, well - that's a little odd but I don't think we're going to change package CVS f'rinstance	<a href="#t13:50" class="time">13:50</a>
wwoods	so there's some things that aren't going to be changing from 'devel' to 'rawhide'	<a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a>
wwoods	the baseurl is more user-visible than that, though	<a href="#t13:51" class="time">13:51</a>
f13	skvidal: I was going ot count on .rpmsave	<a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a>
skvidal	okay so we're just nuking the file in fedora-release	<a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a>
f13	skvidal: the new file would be fedora-rawhide.repo so there /shouldn't/ be something to .rpmnew	<a href="#t13:52" class="time">13:52</a>
f13	skvidal: yeah, introduce new repo file in fedora-release, change bugzilla entry, change url on mirrors(potentially)	<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
wwoods	where else have we called rawhide 'development'?	<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
skvidal	do it - throw up a flag on blogs + mailing lists + the update notices (if any)	<a href="#t13:53" class="time">13:53</a>
f13	so yeah, making these changes early next week seems apropos	<a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a>
f13	any other thoughts about this?  I'll send up some proposals.	<a href="#t13:56" class="time">13:56</a>
wwoods	yeah, make some proposals so we can get other people to find places we might be forgetting about	<a href="#t13:57" class="time">13:57</a>
GeroldKa	hi all	<a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a>
f13	ok, any other business to bring up?	<a href="#t13:58" class="time">13:58</a>
wwoods	If there's stuff that should really be handled in 0-day updates, let me know	<a href="#t13:59" class="time">13:59</a>
wwoods	we need to prioritise F8Target but I'm not sure there's time to go through and actually set pri/sev on them	<a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a>
wwoods	and people monkey with those anyway	<a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a>
f13	yeah	<a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a>
f13	well, attacking what's going to land in updates and updates-testing would be good, once they land that is.	<a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a>
wwoods	yeah, use bodhi to karma the important stuff that's there and bug people about what isn't	<a href="#t14:00" class="time">14:00</a>
wwoods	or just give me bug IDs and I'll track it, since that's probably what I'll be doing for the next few days	<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
f13	ok, anything else?  tummy monster needs to be fed.	<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
wwoods	F8Target is still 126/391 open	<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
wwoods	:/	<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
* wwoods done		<a href="#t14:01" class="time">14:01</a>
f13	ok, meeting over.  thanks all.	<a href="#t14:02" class="time">14:02</a>

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