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Archive of discussion
This is an archive of discussion of a Hackfest at FUDConF10.

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What do we need?

Black box
Metadat
Extensibility
Seeding
Adding new spins
Metrics

Who?

tinkerer
live USBs
developers to build more spins
spin user
spin reviewer
potential spin builders

Tasks we want end-users and devs to do

Get details on a spin
Modify spin details
Find spin you like
Download spin
Build spin
add spin to site (unofficially)
apply for official status
- submit
- review
- pass/fail
Review spins and approve
Gardening/which are being updated?
Voting/popularity
- Find the "coolest" spins
- Mozilla addons as a model
Discontinue spins?
View security vulnerabilities
Download kickstart file and extra scripts that were submitted
Spin diffing
Howto for revisor
"Make my Fedora this" -- one click install with metapackages and PackageKit
"I use this spin" sticker to put on blog or what have you
Advertise
Based on Fedora and *only* Fedora?

Example users

Joe -- artist

Read about spins
- from blogs?
Go to spins.fpo
See popular spins, categories, and what a spin is
1. What are all spins? (generally)
  - What do they do?
  - Why do I need it?
  - Why don't I just use plain Fedora?
  - How do I use it?
  - How do I download
  - Screencast/video
  - Live vs. installed
  - Link to directory
2. Expanded view on individual spins
  - Comments
  - Digg-style voting
  - Karma++
  - What's in it
  - Link back to what a spin is and how to use

So...

What does Joe need?
- idea of what he wants
- fedora system or USB key or blank disc
- time it takes
(blank box)
What does Joe get?
- Live image with instructions
- 1-click to make your Fedora that spin (PackageKit)

So we want to search for spins by:

package
task
tag
"art"
pkgdb metadata
language
filtering out spins that won't work using Smolt profiles?

which leads to a huge list of spins. somehow we need to compare. use what is available in the list, such as architectures, live/install, what media it fits on, etc.

Then click spin, and we see

download this spin
"make my fedora this" (PackageKit)
- smolt.
other suggested packages

Post-spin downloading

Installation instructions and stuff show up
Win/Mac/Lin download client or other instructions
Feedback plz!
Survey email after 1 week
Smolt profile with a tag that says what spin it is

Bob -- Fedora user/dev

"Bob thinks that he is the smartest person God ever created. Bob will create the spin to end all spins." -- Max Spevack

Go to spins.fpo
"Add a spin"
- Login
- "Spins are cool, make your own" banner
- How to build
  - What tools?
  - Instructions for tools
  - How to "craft" this spin
  - What makes a compelling spin
  - requirements
  - official vs. unofficial
  - what's allowed (just Fedora?)
  - How to configure
  - submit RPM
  - i18n
  - how to build KS file
  - make my running system a spin?
- He's a motivated guy, and he wants to create a spin.
- Maybe we should have a spin for spin developers. Hrmm...
Sections on this page...
- How to build -- back to the how to build section elsewhere
- Addition form

Create a Kickstart file

Web wizard
Upload
Pick one to base off of
Have Kickstart recipes
Kickstart post, RPM post, or wizard?
Very very very very very very good samples
Testing info
He needs to build now
- web wizard
  1. Download link in email, available for 24 hours or so
- local build ~~+ BitTorrent~~
  1. ~~tracked by Fedora, seeded by Fedora -- very dangerous~~
  - testing route, and resubmit Kickstart file.

Review process

Metadata with information on what it is for
Submit to review
- We don't have a clue about this
- Login/view status at any time
Yes
- fill out wiki details for spin page
- maybe suggest a SIG
- auto respin for security issues or updates?
No
- what's wrong, how to fix
- end there or go back

In and out example

What Bob is putting in
- experience on creating spins and Fedora
- time
- FAS account
(blank box)
What Bob gets back
- ISO
- spin page
- personalized distro
- handout
- user base
- build tools
- approval of spin

Reviewer Process

Legal issues
There are some legal issues with spins that are still being worked out. This section currently contains what we discussed before we hit legal stuff.

Kickstart file approval

KS submitted
Ticket created
Auto-validation process of kickstart
- Syntax
- Forbidden items validation
- Repos
- Root password
- If any of these present, automatically reject ticket
Does it have scripts?
- No: initial automatic approval, needs metadata check
- Yes: email sent to mailing list, assigned to "default" reviewer
  - Discussion takes place on saneness of scripts
  - Unapproved: here's why, here's how to fix it, Retry or Abort?

Levels of reviewed approvalness

Hosted
BT/Community
Ignored

Interesting questions

Allow Adobe to create a spin?
- If it uses all Fedora software, that works.
Live spin or just an installer?
- The main consensus is to allow both, and make sure we tell the end user on the spins page.

Tasks

spins.fp.o test instance
- Ricky and Max
What is a spin info
- Clint
Collect all spins on BT (short-term hack)
- Max
Patch "Get Fedora"
- Max
- In the process of being redone, so it should get added in
Search, s.fp.o front page, individual pages HTML/CSS
- Mo and Ian
Search backend, metadata
- Clint
FEL, Games, XFCE for F9 on BT
- Jeroen

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