ReleaseEngineering/Meetings/2008-mar-31

Fedora Release Engineering Meeting :: Monday 2008-03-31

Summary

• Discussion about F9 beta and snapshots
• No significant decisions made

IRC Transcript

-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering Meeting - Roll Call		13:07
* poelcat here		13:07
f13	ping: notting jeremy jwb rdieter poelcat lmacken warren spot	13:07
* notting is here		13:08
* spot is here		13:08
rdieter	here (but still fixing gcc43-borked pkgs)	13:08
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Snapshot		13:08
f13	so we did a snapshot on Friday.  I took Thursday off or else i would have produced it then.	13:08
poelcat	did it install for other? didn't work for me	13:09
* wwoods notices he wasn't pung, goes off to play pokemon instead		13:09
f13	I had to fix a number of things, and integrate an updates.img into the iso	13:09
notting	258 downloads :/	13:09
f13	wwoods: I knew I forgot about someone	13:09
notting	11 of source. wtf?	13:09
f13	wwoods: ping	13:09
f13	notting: seriously I know	13:09
wwoods	258? that seems pretty good, actually	13:10
f13	poelcat: I'm not sure why it didn't install for you.  Did you try forcing the updates.img from my fedorapeople page?	13:10
poelcat	no, i was trying install from ISO	13:11
f13	and?	13:13
f13	I'm not sure how that changes anything	13:13
poelcat	i haven't played around w/ using the updates.img much	13:14
poelcat	http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/paste-bin/f9-snap1.png is the error i got	13:14
f13	anyway, I thikn it went mostly OK, we got the typical grumbling that torrent was the only option.	13:14
f13	poelcat: yeah, that's fixed in the updates.img	13:14
poelcat	and the torrent speed was not very good	13:14
f13	poelcat: do me a favor, mount the iso and see if there is an updates.img in the images/ directory	13:14
f13	For this week's snapshot I'll be doing the spin on Thursday so we have a bit of buffer before Friday	13:15
f13	it would be nice to have a list of things we've fixed and would like to get verification on	13:15
wwoods	hmm	13:16
wwoods	I'll try to put together a couple of bugzilla queries for that	13:16
poelcat	f13: yes, updates.img is there	13:16
wwoods	bugs from the various blocker lists that have been closed in the past 7 days	13:16
f13	poelcat: well that's odd, it should have loaded that updates.img when booting and thus fixed the issue you saw.  You said this was from DVD?	13:17
poelcat	correct... doing a dvd ISO install w/ vmware	13:18
f13	interesting	13:19
f13	I'll try to dupe here, it should load that image.	13:19
f13	so, any feedback/suggestions for the next snapshot?	13:19
poelcat	f13: any way to have more seeds?	13:20
notting	i'm trying to think of a way to make it easier for people to get, without breaking the world	13:20
f13	notting: I've been thinking about that too :/	13:20
poelcat	i waited all day saturday	13:21
f13	notting: I mean, we /could/ place it a in a few fedora infra locations and have a mirrormanager url to handle it	13:21
poelcat	suddently it was done on Sunday AM	13:21
EvilBob	I wonder if the Unity jigdo mirror system could help	13:21
f13	poelcat: well, I want to release it early Friday instead of late friday which may help a bit with that	13:21
f13	EvilBob: how fast can we get the bits all synced up?	13:21
f13	EvilBob: the big problem is that from compose -> torrent available is only a few hours time for the sync, less so when I rsync against existing isos	13:22
f13	EvilBob: having to wait days for syncing to happen makes the snapshot less and less relevant	13:22
EvilBob	f13: I bet we can be synced up in a few hours and help	13:22
EvilBob	f13: we only have a few mirrors that will do torrent but I can put the word out	13:23
* f13 thinks some more.		13:23
f13	notting: the enchilata module sort of kills us here, but we could put the snapshots in an easy to exclude directory and just ask that some of the active mirrors sync fast fast the bits	13:24
notting	maybe. i wonder how much snapshots of CD/DVD helps (as we have rawhide) vs. snapshots of live	13:25
f13	notting: mostly media install testing	13:25
f13	which you don't get out of rawhide	13:25
f13	the Live images are the more interesting thing, as it's more about content and less about delivery	13:25
poelcat	notting: snapshots have a higher chance of installing? :)	13:26
f13	there is that	13:27
f13	although updates.img is much smaller to download than DVD	13:27
poelcat	I thought 'installability' was one of the original intentions of the snapshots?	13:28
poelcat	but maybe i'm wrong	13:28
f13	it is.	13:28
f13	however, we also stated that if things were terribly broken, we'dj ust try again next week	13:29
f13	there is only so much you can fix with updates.img	13:29
f13	having weekly snapshots is also a mental thing, to get into people's heads that "Things will be snapshotted at the end of the week, lets make sure I'm in a good shape by then"	13:29
poelcat	f13: on that note... only one feature owner response so far	13:31
poelcat	that was for ext4	13:31
f13	ugh	13:31
poelcat	eric updated the page... nothing affecting F9	13:31
poelcat	because it is not enabled by default	13:31
poelcat	i'm not sure how to drum more interest in targeting feature stuff for snapshots	13:34
f13	yeah, neither am I.  But I'll poke some people	13:34
f13	Anything else on snapshot?	13:34
poelcat	is there any way to help pre-test them?	13:35
poelcat	besides installing rawhide	13:35
wwoods	testing rawhide is always good, but if you're looking to go beyond that	13:36
wwoods	you could probably make your own images with pungi	13:36
f13	nod	13:36
wwoods	(we include the config files)	13:36
wwoods	oh man. can we ship a "generate-rawhide-images" script that calls pungi with the proper flags?	13:36
f13	the only thing I did for Friday's snapshot was put an updates.img into the tree before I called the iso writing phase of pungi	13:37
f13	wwoods: it took you more chars to type "gneeriate-rawhide-images' than it would take to call pungi	13:37
wwoods	yeah, but I don't know what flags to pass pungi	13:37
poelcat	wwoods: thanks. i'll try that, jds2001 did a blog on that	13:37
wwoods	or what config file to use	13:37
f13	pungi -c /usr/share/pungi/rawhide-fedora.ks	13:37
wwoods	hey, that *is* easy.	13:38
f13	that's all you have to type.  Stuff will appear in $PWD	13:38
poelcat	so next snapshot will be based on which day of rawhide?	13:38
f13	poelcat: Thursday	13:38
poelcat	okay :)	13:38
f13	unless it's really broken and then we may fix what's broken and retry on Friday	13:38
-!- f13 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora Release Engineering - Open Floor		13:39
f13	I don't really have anything else for this week's meeting.  The floor is open	13:40
notting	wwoods: opinions on The State Of The Release?	13:40
wwoods	I'm kinda worried, honestly. Partially because my testing hasn't been deep enough recently	13:41
wwoods	but there's lingering things all over	13:41
* f13 notes that rawhide was installable today, at least http method, qemu x86_64		13:41
wwoods	like UUID weirdness - pm-hibernate seems to change the UUID of your swap partition	13:42
wwoods	or 'telinit 1' apparently doesn't work?	13:42
wwoods	or the fact that gnome-system-monitor *still* doesn't seem to let me view all processes	13:43
wwoods	inexplicably	13:43
wwoods	just.. a lot of weird little things that I'm not sure if they're on the proper bug lists and I don't know if anyone's looking at them	13:43
wwoods	a lot of potential for Fail	13:43
wwoods	most of it is probably nothing, but I'm still worried.	13:44
wwoods	so. gimme a few days to check bug lists and track down maintainers	13:44
wwoods	and ask me again.	13:44
f13	k	13:45
f13	I'm going to trawl through the blocker list too today	13:46
f13	whilst I wait for composes and installs	13:46
notting	i suspect not all the upstart stuff is on the blocker list	13:47
wwoods	yeah, the upstart blocker should probably go on the blocker list	13:47
wwoods	and there's a lot of old junk on blocker/target	13:48
wwoods	that are either fixed, no longer relevant, or untouched in weeks	13:48
notting	wwoods: well, not all the upstart -tracker is blocker stuff	13:48
wwoods	ah	13:48
wwoods	well, yeah, you can just put the appropriate ones on there	13:49
wwoods	you'd know better than me which ones are blockers and which aren't anyway	13:51
EvilBob	f13: RE: Seeds	13:52
EvilBob	f13: we got the message about the slow swarm on Sunday morning and joined up, we will join on thursday this week	13:52
EvilBob	(Or when available)	13:53
f13	EvilBob: thanks, that'll help	13:53
f13	if there isn't anything else, I'll close the meeting	13:53
* jwb is here-ish now		13:53
EvilBob	f13: http://spinner.fedoraunity.org/mrtg/ shows our bump	13:53
f13	thanks all	13:57

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