BugZappers/Meetings/Minutes-2008-Nov-11

Bug Triage Meeting :: 2008-11-11

Attendees

• John5342
• poelcat
• quantumbrnz
• jlaska
• mcepl
• jds2001

Rawhide Rebase

• worked out wording of announcement on gobby
• jds2001 sent to fedora-devel-announce
  • https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-announce/2008-November/msg00008.html
• poelcat to file ticket with engineering operations

New Rawhide Bugs

• NEW rawhide bugs http://tinyurl.com/6llac8
• would like to get this list down to zero by November 25th
• stop-gap measure is to scan list for possible release blockers
  • add to appropriate blocker list
  • feel free to join #fedora-blocker

NEW/ASSIGNED State Transition

• process remains unchanged
• it is suggested that maintainers who want a special state use ON_DEV
  • big thanks to Till for updating the process work flow!
  • BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow

Preparing For Release Day

• poelcat is working on these tasks this week BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TwoWeeksBeforeRelease
• please review and make adjustments as necessary: BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10

IRC Transcript

poelcat	who is around?	07:02
* John5342 is here		07:02
* jlaska lurking		07:02
quantumburnz	haha, i made sure i didn't miss it this time and i started to worry i missed it again or something ;)	07:02
poelcat	hi!	07:03
poelcat	jds2001 ?	07:03
poelcat	our main topic for today is BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10	07:04
poelcat	is there anything else people would like to cover?	07:05
* jds2001 here		07:05
poelcat	jds2001: hi	07:05
jds2001	ok, i started something on gobby and got distracted.	07:06
poelcat	:)	07:06
poelcat	we really need to send that today I think	07:06
jds2001	comphappy wnated us to discuss the NEW/ASSIGNED status thing a bit too.	07:06
jds2001	he can't be here today.	07:06
John5342	poelcat: just noticed criteria for f8 stuff includes not closed but rawhide > f10 doesnt mention it.	07:07
poelcat	John5342: quantumburnz jlaska have you connected to gobby before?	07:07
quantumburnz	nope	07:07
jlaska	poelcat: I have	07:07
John5342	poelcat: never even heard of it	07:08
jlaska	err, not any fedora hosted gobby's	07:08
poelcat	John5342: quantumburnz have you logged into fedorapeople w/ ssh before? (you will need to go get the password)	07:09
jds2001	jlaska: you have to ssh to fedorapeople.org and cat ~lmacken/gobby	07:09
poelcat	we could review the announcement right now	07:09
quantumburnz	john5342: i think you're right. that probably should include status != closed	07:09
quantumburnz	poelcat: no, I haven't logged into fedorapeople before	07:10
jlaska	jds2001: what's the gobby server?	07:10
poelcat	quantumburnz: have you uploaded an ssh key to your fedora account?	07:10
quantumburnz	yes	07:10
jds2001	jlaska: gobby.fp.o	07:11
poelcat	quantumburnz: 'ssh username@fedorapeople.org'	07:11
jlaska	jds2001: thanks	07:11
quantumburnz	ok, i'm in	07:12
poelcat	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo	07:14
poelcat	quantumburnz: retrieve the passwd and then connect to gobby	07:14
mcepl	here	07:14
poelcat	mcepl: hi	07:14
jds2001	thing is called F10-Rebase-Email	07:14
jds2001	mcepl: hop on gobby to go through our cleanup mail?	07:15
mcepl	sorry, I am late -- could you feed with the context, please?	07:15
* John5342 will join in once he remembers key password		07:15
jds2001	to f-d-a :)	07:15
mcepl	gobby?	07:15
poelcat	jds2001: what is the name of the doc?	07:15
jds2001	http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/GobbyHowTo	07:15
jds2001	F10-Rebase-Email	07:15
* quantumburnz is installing gobby		07:17
poelcat	mcepl: we're working on the wording for the rawhide rebase email	07:17
mcepl	OK, sorry, it will take a second before I install gobby	07:17
jds2001	i dunno if by using line breaks im helping or hurting	07:18
jds2001	i guess it depends on who sends it. :)	07:18
quantumburnz	AmbassadorsWorldDominationPlan, lol. do I need to subscribe to anything?	07:20
jds2001	F10-Rebase-Email	07:20
quantumburnz	got it, thanks	07:20
jds2001	you can review our plan for world domination if you like.	07:20
jds2001	I think we used that at FADNA.	07:20
mcepl	bloody rpm broke again	07:21
quantumburnz	how did you break rpm?	07:21
mcepl	there is a bug for it in BZ, don't worry, I have to from time to time rm -f /var/lib/rpm/__db* ; rpm --rebuilddb	07:22
quantumburnz	ahh, ya, i had to do that yesterday...	07:23
mcepl	here	07:25
poelcat	Should we send an email notification at the time Fedora 8 bugs are autoclosed?	07:27
mcepl	to whom?	07:29
poelcat	mcepl: from bugzilla to the owner, CCs, etc	07:31
mcepl	so basically new comment to the bug?	07:32
poelcat	mcepl: yes it will be a new comment to the bug... we can decide whether email notification goes out or not	07:33
mcepl	cool	07:33
jds2001	folks were really concerned with spam last time.	07:34
poelcat	are we happy with what we've got?	07:41
poelcat	jds2001: are you still willing to be the target, I mean, sender? ;-)	07:42
jds2001	poelcat: sure :)	07:42
jds2001	are we done?	07:42
quantumburnz	looks pretty good to me.	07:43
mcepl	I made one more change, what do you think?	07:44
poelcat	mcepl: great	07:44
poelcat	we should cover a couple more things before we run out of time	07:44
mcepl	otherwise, it is +1 from me	07:45
jds2001	oops what was the change	07:45
jds2001	i had already copied it out	07:45
poelcat	next topic... NEW rawhide bugs http://tinyurl.com/6llac8	07:45
poelcat	ideally we would get this list down to zero by november 25th	07:45
poelcat	i'm losing confidence that will happen	07:46
poelcat	you can still help however but scanning the list for possible release blockers	07:46
poelcat	and continuing to triage	07:46
poelcat	s/but/by	07:46
poelcat	also feel free to join #fedora-blocker	07:46
poelcat	where a group of key maintainers is assembled to discuss blocker bugs	07:47
quantumburnz	that list has a bad habbit of growing or continuing to stay around the same number of bugs... :(	07:47
poelcat	it is a good place to ask if you aren't sure	07:47
poelcat	quantumburnz: yeah... it isn't ALL bad, imagine what would happen if we did nothing	07:47
poelcat	but still I wish we could take bigger chunks out of it :)	07:47
quantumburnz	hehe, very very true	07:48
poelcat	jds2001: what did comphappy want to discuss re: NEW/ASSIGNED	07:49
mcepl	I am fighting hard to keep all Xorg/Gecko bugs out of NEW, but it is pretty tough -- xorg-x11-drv-{i810,ati,nv} doesn't make it easy.	07:49
jds2001	poelcat: just that there was pushback	07:51
jds2001	and that we said we'd discuss it again.	07:51
quantumburnz	what's a pushback?	07:52
jds2001	but it seems to be all Steve, and while he's a great guy, we have a workflow that would work for him (ON_DEV)	07:52
mcepl	yeah, I haven't checked whether he react to my reply	07:53
poelcat	quantumburnz: slang... someone is "pushing back" or disagreeing or not wanting to go along with what the current way is	07:53
mcepl	quantumburnz: fedora-test thread "who moved my bugs?"	07:53
jds2001	actually think it was f-devel	07:53
* poelcat keeps thinking "who moved my chesse"		07:53
poelcat	cheese	07:53
jds2001	maybe it got cross-posted or something :)	07:53
quantumburnz	ahh, ya, i haven't been doing the best at keeping up with that email list...	07:53
poelcat	it was fedora-devel only I think	07:54
mcepl	ok, whatever	07:55
poelcat	anything else to add to the NEW/ASSIGNED discussion besides suggesting people use ON_DEV ?	07:55
mcepl	hmm, interesting, he doesn't seem to reply	07:56
quantumburnz	wow, i feel so behind the power curve, sorry guys. what's the purpose of ON_DEV and should we be using it?	07:56
mcepl	I don't think so -- only a bad libel, that most noise is made by people who have 22 bugs total in bugzilla. :(	07:56
poelcat	BugZappers/BugStatusWorkFlow	07:56
poelcat	sweet! someone updated the diagram :)	07:57
quantumburnz	ya, certainly doesn't look the same...	07:57
mcepl	quantumburnz: no, it used to be used for something, but now it is kept there for legacy reasons -- so some people find it useful to distinguish between bugs which are ASSIGNED to them and bugs which they actually work on	07:57
quantumburnz	thanks	07:58
poelcat	last topic... i'm working on these tasks this week BugZappers/HouseKeeping/TwoWeeksBeforeRelease	07:58
poelcat	most we have already covered :)	07:58
poelcat	and last last topic... if you think we need wording changes for the proposed bugzilla comments, edit away...	07:59
poelcat	BugZappers/HouseKeeping/Fedora10	07:59
poelcat	it is a wiki :)	07:59
poelcat	jds2001: would it be worthwhile to point FESCo at this ^^ page as an FYI	08:00
poelcat	at their meeting this week	08:00
poelcat	just remind them about what is going on in the neighborhood	08:00
mcepl	yeah	08:02
poelcat	okay thanks everyone!	08:03

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