Meeting:Docs IRC log 20090827

Sparks	#startmeeting Docs Project Meeting - Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs_Project_meetings	00:02
zodbot	Meeting started Thu Aug 27 00:02:47 2009 UTC. The chair is Sparks. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:02
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Sparks	#topic Roll Call	00:02
* Sparks		00:02
* rudi is here		00:03
* itbegins here		00:03
* Sparks wonders where everyone is today		00:05
* laubersm is here		00:06
Sparks	Okay, lets get started...	00:07
Sparks	#topic Last week's action items	00:07
Sparks	Sparks to create BZ component Deployment Guide --Third alarm	00:07
Sparks	Finally done.	00:07
Sparks	Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki --third alarm	00:07
Sparks	Still in progress	00:07
Sparks	#action Sparks to write up CVE checking/validation procedures in the wiki	00:07
Sparks	quaid to follow up with Mizmo on the Zikula theme	00:08
Sparks	quaid: You around?	00:08
Sparks	I know Mo has been working on the Zikula theme. I'm sure this is in progress.	00:08
Sparks	rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0	00:08
Sparks	rudi: Got an update?	00:09
rudi	We're still a few steps away from that	00:09
* ianweller rolls in		00:09
itbegins	I can report a little on the theme, depending on what you want to knwo	00:09
Sparks	rudi: Okay, I'll put it down for next week so we can talk about it again.	00:10
rudi	Yep	00:10
Sparks	#action rudi to follow up with Jeff about changing the license information in Publican 0.44 and 1.0	00:10
Sparks	ianweller: Go	00:10
ianweller	about my part of it? the writing up of the announcement?	00:10
ianweller	Sparks: hi?	00:11
Sparks	the theme	00:11
ianweller	oh for zikula	00:11
ianweller	hmm i'm not sure what i need to say, other than taht school is eating me alive	00:12
* ianweller wasn't sure he had anything assigned for zikula right now		00:12
itbegins	Sparks: You mean me?	00:12
Sparks	ianweller: Opps.. sorry	00:12
Sparks	itbegins: Yeah, I meant you. sorry	00:12
quaid	quaid: yep, zikula theme is all rolling for FI	00:12
* Sparks is not doing a good job of multitasking tonight		00:12
* quaid either		00:13
itbegins	mizmo is in progress on the theme: http://publictest6.fedoraproject.org/zikula/	00:13
itbegins	and Zikula is getting rolled out to staging	00:13
quaid	and things are prepared in the repo (ideally) so she can have related Docs theme in there to make a Docs-specific RPM of the theme (AIUI)	00:13
quaid	or I'm confused and it's all going to run from one instance, one theme	00:13
itbegins	quaid: One filesystem instance, mutliple databases -> multiple themes	00:14
quaid	I think I'm confused; that was my old idea, but Paul said we'll likely all be on the same instance	00:14
itbegins	i.e turning on docs.fedoraproject.org Zikula is a case of installing a few new packages and updating the config file	00:14
quaid	ok	00:14
Sparks	Okay, we'll come back to Zikula in a little bit for a more indepth discussion.	00:15
Sparks	quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki.	00:15
Sparks	quaid: Got an update on this?	00:15
danielsmw	;/me sneaks in late...	00:17
Sparks	quaid: hello?	00:17
Sparks	Okay, quaid must have rushed off...	00:18
Sparks	Any more old business?	00:18
Sparks	#action quaid to follow up with Richard about the use of the CC logo on the wiki.	00:19
Sparks	#topic Status on CMS (Zikula)	00:19
Sparks	#link Zikula#Module_status	00:19
Sparks	itbegins: So what is the status on rolling out Zikula for docs.fp.o?	00:19
itbegins	Sparks: well, we're still waiting on those modules held up with license problems I think	00:20
itbegins	Sparks: but marketing have kindly packaged a couple of modules we can use for the docs instance too.	00:20
itbegins	Sadly not the blockers for the docs instance	00:20
Sparks	I think we both need at least one editor to go with Scribite.	00:21
* Sparks hasn't had any time to even look at packaging one of those.		00:21
itbegins	yes,that's true	00:21
quaid	Sparks: sorry, phone call	00:22
quaid	do you want to hear about the CC logos?	00:22
Sparks	quaid: That will be the next topic	00:22
Sparks	itbegins: Okay so we are close but not there	00:23
Sparks	itbegins: Does marketing have everything they need to roll out their instance?	00:23
itbegins	apart from a visual editor, probably	00:24
quaid	after a last minute scramble with chitlesh++, bobjensen++, toshio++ getting a few last minute packages done last night/today	00:24
itbegins	though things may still come up	00:24
quaid	oh! no visual editor? heh heh	00:24
Sparks	So we need one of the editors packaged	00:25
Sparks	anyone want to stand up to take that task?	00:25
* danielsmw can try if no body else will, but he's never successfully packaged anything...		00:26
Sparks	danielsmw: Well, this would be a good time to start being successful... there are templates for the SPEC and everything	00:27
danielsmw	Also I haven't been involved in this process at all so far	00:27
danielsmw	Sparks: Alright, well...	00:27
danielsmw	I suppose I can give it a shot and report back next week.	00:27
Sparks	danielsmw: I'm sure ianweller or someone will be around to help	00:28
Sparks	#action danielsmw to package an editor for Scribite	00:28
Sparks	Okay, anything else on Zikula?	00:28
* quaid notes Beacon was accepted for F10/F11		00:29
quaid	but I guess it's not integrated?	00:29
itbegins	danielsmw: Try pinging Toshio, he is involved with Zikula packaging	00:29
* danielsmw really likes beacon, btw.		00:29
Sparks	quaid: And Beacon is the DocBook editor?	00:29
danielsmw	itbegins: Will do	00:29
quaid	Sparks: yep	00:29
quaid	Sparks: well, it's a web wysiwyg editor that now has upstream code to read/write docbook :)	00:29
Sparks	Yeah, we need to get that integrated	00:29
quaid	satya has it running on a publictest instance, we can look at how to use it plain, too	00:30
* quaid is wandering topics now		00:30
Sparks	Okay, let's move on. Lots of work to be done on Zikula but things are starting to come together	00:31
Sparks	#topic Status on CC license rollout.	00:31
Sparks	quaid: So what's the skinny on the CC logos?	00:31
quaid	ok	00:31
quaid	I read and read that page	00:31
quaid	http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2009-August/msg00075.html	00:32
quaid	and it's clear that the ball is in Richard's court with folks from Creative Commons	00:32
Sparks	And we haven't heard back from him on this, yet.	00:32
quaid	it only having been a few weeks ... and he being a proactive and busy guy ... I think we have our clear answer for now	00:32
quaid	and will hear when there is something more	00:32
Sparks	ianweller: Do you have the text for the wiki?	00:33
quaid	I would put this on the back-burner; don't forget about it, but revisit if a month goes by, then prod for a status.	00:33
quaid	so ... a few more weeks at least, then see if we can kindly get a status. :)	00:33
Sparks	Well, we can go ahead with the change over, use the text version of the license, and change later as necessary	00:33
* danielsmw has to go, sorry for the short visit.		00:33
quaid	yes	00:33
quaid	ciao danielsmw	00:34
danielsmw	au revoir.	00:34
Sparks	danielsmw: Have a good day!	00:34
danielsmw	Sparks: Thanks!	00:34
Sparks	#action ianweller to bring to the list the text for the CC license for the wiki so it can be approved	00:34
Sparks	#link License_changeover_schedule	00:35
Sparks	^^^ That is the timeline if anyone would like to take a peek at it.	00:35
Sparks	I guess we are still waiting on the text being approved and then we can move on to step 4.	00:35
Sparks	rudi: So what needs to happen to get the license changed in Publican for step 6?	00:36
rudi	The people involved in doc publishing could do it at any time by hacking their Publican 0 installs	00:37
Sparks	rudi: Yeah, but I want to push it to everyone. That way there is 1) no confusion, 2) no differences, 3) and everyone does it.	00:38
rudi	I think it's unlikely that any more changes are forthcoming to brand packages for 0	00:38
rudi	since 1 handles brands so differently.	00:38
rudi	(And we're not quite up to testing brands in 1)	00:39
Sparks	Well, that's a problem.	00:40
Sparks	If 1 isn't out then 0 still needs to be supported	00:40
quaid	um, hmm	00:40
rudi	Not really; there are very few people actually publishing	00:40
quaid	is there any technical reason not to change brand pkg for 0?	00:40
quaid	it's just text strings, right?	00:40
rudi	and I'm quite happy to wrap those notices up in the package that I've got parked on my Fedora people page.	00:41
rudi	quaid -- correct.	00:41
rudi	No technical reason	00:41
Sparks	Well if we get new people in we should be able to say "install publican" not "install publican and then do all these changes before you can use it"	00:41
quaid	rudi: is CS waiting to rebuild RHEL guides with the new license until 1.x handles brands?	00:41
* ianweller notes his action item and makes a sticky note		00:41
Sparks	ianweller: Thank you	00:41
Sparks	rudi: Can you adopt the brand and just make the changes there?	00:41
Sparks	rudi: Or one of us?	00:42
rudi	Sparks - I can check into that.	00:42
quaid	does publican need a co-maintainer for the package?	00:42
* Sparks thinks 1.x should be released as publican-devel		00:42
quaid	-devel has a specific meaning, though	00:42
quaid	or was that a joke!	00:43
Sparks	rudi: I'm not saying anything bad about Jeff... I know he's busy and he has this new tool he's putting a lot of effort into. But we still need the old tool to work for now.	00:43
quaid	because if it was, very funny! just don't tell it to jfearn if you are on the same continent.	00:43
Sparks	quaid: I thougth -devel was for the development version of a package... a beta	00:43
quaid	nope	00:43
ianweller	Sparks: -devel is development headers	00:43
quaid	yep	00:44
ianweller	in C, those would be the .h files	00:44
rudi	Sparks -- yeah, but "work" for about three people :)	00:44
quaid	Sparks: and Publican was originally proposed as 'docs-devel', with much arguing about why that wasn't OK and such	00:44
quaid	rudi: sorry, where is the approv text for the license page? or proposed-and-under-review?	00:44
Sparks	Well... I don't know. I'd like it to be in the repos...  :)	00:45
quaid	rudi: it's not the people count, it's the F12 release	00:45
quaid	we have a dependency on a workingn tool for the F12 release	00:45
rudi	quaid -- proposed and review version is here : http://rlandmann.fedorapeople.org/license/	00:45
quaid	we've had a rocky time for three releases with Publican feature status	00:45
rudi	The source is in the Publican repo already	00:46
quaid	and I thought with RHEL content upstream out here using Publican, it would work for Fedora :)	00:46
quaid	Sparks: well, there is no moving backward for now, so if Publican upstream isn't going to issue an update we can use, we'll have to do manual process around it again.	00:48
* Sparks thinks hijacking the package is an option... :)		00:48
Sparks	quaid: Yeah	00:48
rudi	(Fedora *is* the Publican upstream)	00:48
Sparks	Okay, anything else on the license changeover?	00:49
quaid	what is the reason for not pushing the brand update?	00:49
* quaid wonders if he has bad breath?		00:51
Sparks	rudi: ^^^	00:51
quaid	sorry, I haven't been reading publican-list; you can tell me to read the archives, if that's it	00:52
rudi	Basically that energies are elsewhere at the moment	00:52
quaid	can we have a packager apply to be co-maintainer?	00:53
quaid	we can get some help to do the work, if that's the block.	00:53
rudi	I'll ask :)	00:53
quaid	https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/branches/0.45/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml is the old stuff	00:53
quaid	sparks, stickster, ke4qqq, or ianweller would all be good choices	00:54
rudi	Yes, because the new is here: https://fedorahosted.org/publican/browser/trunk/publican-fedora/en-US/Legal_Notice.xml	00:54
quaid	what's the bz for this?	00:55
rudi	For what?	00:56
quaid	the bz for publican-fedora requesting the license update	00:57
rudi	I don't know that there is one	00:57
Sparks	Might not be	00:57
quaid	heh, ok	00:57
quaid	rudi: thanks, that XML was helpful; I'm building a book I want to be clearly under the CC	00:58
rudi	NP	00:58
quaid	rudi: and many thanks for working on the update of the content	00:58
rudi	If it's your own book, you might want to include the CC logo too ;)	00:58
* quaid is doing a Red Hat branded book, so knows the answer to that already		00:59
rudi	I know I would :)	00:59
rudi	Ah OK :)	00:59
Sparks	NO CC LOGO IN PRINT!!!  :)	00:59
Sparks	Okay... anything else on this topic?	01:00
rudi	Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0	01:01
quaid	#Action -- rudi to investigate getting a co-maintainer for 0	01:01
* quaid thinks he can do that?		01:01
rudi	Let me test the waters first :)	01:01
Sparks	Okay, lets move on to the last few topics so we can wrap things up for the day	01:02
Sparks	#topic Guide needs?	01:02
Sparks	Does anyone need anything for their guide?	01:02
Sparks	#topic New Guides	01:03
Sparks	How about new guides? Any of them?	01:03
Sparks	Okay, there is a new guide in the works...	01:04
Sparks	there will be an Amateur Radio Guide coming out discussing the various pieces of software in Fedora for hams	01:05
Sparks	Any others?	01:05
Sparks	#topic All other business	01:05
* laubersm is available for proofreading		01:06
Sparks	Okay, anything else for the meeting?	01:06
laubersm	I have lots of little sturts of time	01:06
laubersm	I have very little predictable time	01:06
laubersm	But ping me and I am happy to review materials...	01:06
Sparks	laubersm: Yeah... understood	01:06
Sparks	Thanks!	01:06
laubersm	I know RN is coming up fast	01:06
laubersm	and IG and UG for example	01:06
rudi	Thanks laubersm -- I'll be needing you :)	01:07
quaid	are the guides using Trac for one-task-per-chapter?	01:07
quaid	there is a workflow we can impose there, with writer owning then passing to an open editor	01:07
quaid	it's manual ...	01:07
Sparks	Each chapter would be in its own file	01:08
Sparks	The AR Guide will be in git	01:08
Sparks	Anything else?	01:10
Sparks	Okay, thanks everyone for coming tonight!	01:11
Sparks	#endmeeting	01:11