Latest revision as of 09:02, 18 September 2016

Attendees

People present (lines said):

jlaska (98)
adamw (66)
kparal (41)
wwoods (41)
jskladan (22)
skvidal (16)
Viking-Ice-Home (15)
fenris02 (10)
zodbot (4)
robatino (3)
jsmith (3)
vaschenb (2)

Unable to attend:

Rhe
Newgle1

Agenda

Previous meeting follow-up

adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria

jlaska sent out an email to design-team this morning to collect some thoughts (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-August/003190.html)

jlaska to publish F-14-Alpha QA retrospective page

the wiki page is available for anyone to record thoughts about the Alpha ... (see Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective)

it's not wiki formatted to my liking yet, but I'll get to that soon

F14 Test Days

Aug 26 - OpenSCAP

Owner - kparal
Summary: Aug 26 - OpenSCAP; the test day was quite successful, quite a lot of problems were identified and they were fixed; the new openscap release, which is just waiting for pushing into updates, should fix all those issues
Next steps...: kparal will send a recap to the list later today

Sep 02 - preupgrade

Owner - rhe
Summary: Sep 02 - preupgrade; Wiki page and test cases in place. As rhe mentioned on the list, testing preupgrade-cli will be included in this event
Next steps...: <adamw> will get some publicity out for this one as we'll want to have as many people as possible test; <jlaska> to reach out to rhe for any final wiki modifications needed

Sep 09 - systemd

Owner - adamwill
Summary: Sep 09 - Systemd; Adamw has the test day mostly set up, he would appreciate review of the monster test cases (which are heavily based on notting's systemd 'acceptance criteria'); Current systemd package in F-14 stable should resolve most of issues identified on mailing list (https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/systemd-8-3.fc14,initscripts-9.17-2.fc14)
Next steps...: Adamw add a few other test cases, he'll check in with lennart on what he thinks so far; Viking-Ice intends to complete the systemd debugging page

Proventester (metrics and sponsor upgrade)

Owner - jlaska
Summary: Received a request from a proventester to be upgraded to a sponsor, so that they could mentor others. This got me thinking whether we have (or need) expectations around becoming a sponsor.; In addition, are we able to gather metrics about proventesters?
Next steps...: Adamw directed jlaska to the policy regarding becoming a mentor.; Jlaska will elevate mcloaked to sponsor status.; Adamw recalled previously filed metrics ticket (https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456) and took action to follow-up at the next meeting

AutoQA update

Owner - User:wwoods
Summary: jskladan finished the "how to write autoqa tests" wiki draft (see User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests); wwoods updated the autoqa depcheck tickets to give a bit more information - including the "make it use mash" ticket (see https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/201); vaschenb updated upgradepath, the new test... now it has improved output and is automaticaly started with post-bodhi-update hook
Next steps...: jskladan will replace current wiki page Writing_autoqa_tests with User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests; wwoods + jskladan investigating how best to handle mash with depcheck test; wwoods also investigating setting up depcheck to handle karma; autoqa team agrees now is a good time to make a new autoqa release and deploy it (coming soon ... autoqa-0.4.0-1)

Open discussion - <Your topic here>

Upcoming QA events

2010-07-29 - Test Alpha 'Test Compose'
2010-07-30 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #3
2010-08-05 - Test Alpha Candidate
2010-08-06 - Alpha Blocker Meeting (f14alpha) #4
2010-08-11 - Fedora 14 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (17:00 EST) -- introduced 1 week schedule slip
2010-08-18 - Fedora 14 Alpha Go/No-Go Meeting (17:00 EST)
2010-08-24 - Alpha Public Availability
2010-08-27 - Beta Blocker Meeting (f14beta) #1
WE ARE HERE
2010-09-02 - Pre-Beta Acceptance Test Plan
2010-09-03 - Beta Blocker Meeting (f14beta) #2

Action items

adamw contact lmacken about proventester metrics https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456
jlaska build and deploy new autoqa release

IRC Transcript

jlaska	#startmeeting Fedora QA Meeting	15:00
zodbot	Meeting started Mon Aug 30 15:00:17 2010 UTC. The chair is jlaska. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:00
zodbot	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.	15:00
jlaska	#meetingname fedora-qa	15:00
zodbot	The meeting name has been set to 'fedora-qa'	15:00
jlaska	#topic Waiting for critical mass	15:00
* adamw gets critical		15:00
* kparal enjoys brand new QA meeting :)		15:00
* jskladan tips his hat		15:01
jlaska	adrianr: not sure why that makes me think of an Olivia Newton-John song :)	15:01
* vaschenb is here		15:01
jlaska	adamw: ^^^	15:01
jlaska	kparal: jskladan vaschenb welcome gang	15:01
adamw	red dwarf: still, you know what they say - 'better to have loved and to have lost than to have listened to a record by Olivia Newton-John'. But then, anything's better than listening to a record by Olivia Newton-John...	15:02
jlaska	kparal: adamw: you both may be spared my grammar and spelling mistakes for half of the meeting today	15:02
jlaska	#chair kparal adamw	15:02
zodbot	Current chairs: adamw jlaska kparal	15:02
* wwoods is here		15:02
jlaska	I may need to drop out halfway through the meeting	15:02
jlaska	hey wwoods	15:03
jlaska	I saw robatino and Viking-Ice-Home join earlier ... you guys lurking?	15:03
Viking-Ice-Home	yup	15:03
jlaska	welcome	15:03
robatino	yes	15:03
jlaska	double welcome :)	15:03
jlaska	okay, I think we all feel critical (or massy) ... let's get started	15:04
jlaska	#topic Previous meeting follow-up	15:04
jlaska	#info adamw and jlaska to propose artwork final release criteria	15:04
jlaska	nothing big to report back yet on this ... I sent out an email to design-team this morning to collect some thoughts	15:05
jlaska	#link http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-August/003190.html	15:05
jlaska	Feel free to weigh in, otherwise I'll collect some feedback and we can make a more precise criteria proposal	15:05
adamw	thanks for handling that	15:06
jlaska	certainly, sorry took so long :)	15:06
Viking-Ice-Home	you might want to add copyright clause	15:06
jlaska	definitely relevant as it came up again in the blocker meeting	15:06
Viking-Ice-Home	displaying correct year :)	15:06
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: heh, good point	15:07
jlaska	#info jlaska to publish F-14-Alpha QA retrospective page	15:07
jlaska	the wiki page is available for anyone to record thoughts about the Alpha ...	15:07
jlaska	it's not formatted to my liking yet, but I'll get to that soon	15:08
jlaska	Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective	15:08
jlaska	#link Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective	15:08
* jsmith stumbles in, a bit late		15:08
jlaska	jsmith: welcome	15:08
jsmith	jlaska: Thanks :-)	15:08
jlaska	the 2 other action items were autoqa specific, so I'll save those for that topic	15:08
jlaska	anything else to discuss from last week?	15:08
jlaska	alrighty ... moving on	15:09
jlaska	#topic F14 Test Days	15:09
jlaska	if you haven't noticed, test days have started in full swing again	15:10
adamw	yaaay test days	15:10
jlaska	hoooray!	15:10
jlaska	:)	15:10
jsmith	w00t!	15:10
jlaska	I was hoping to spend just a few minutes rounding the bases </poor sports analogy> for previous and upcoming events	15:10
* fenris02 smirks		15:11
jlaska	for those new to test days ... there is a great introduction to the process at QA/SOP_Test_Day_management	15:11
jlaska	#topic F14 Test Days - Aug 26 OpenSCAP	15:11
jlaska	kparal, you and wrabco collaborated in setting up this event. How'd it go last week?	15:12
kparal	#link Test_Day:2010-08-26_OpenSCAP	15:12
jlaska	#link http://kparal.wordpress.com/2010/08/25/openscap-test-day-thursday-2010-08-26/	15:12
kparal	the test day wast quite successful, as opposed to what test matrix might look like :)	15:12
adamw	sorry i didn't get on the publicity wagon for this one, got it a late mention in fwn but that's all	15:13
kparal	well, the red fields are just best results from QA perspective, aren't they? :)	15:13
kparal	quite a lot of problems were identified	15:13
jlaska	it seems so ... a fair number of attendees as well	15:13
kparal	and they were fixed. the new openscap release, which is just waiting for pushing into updates, should fix all those issues	15:14
Viking-Ice-Home	thats great work	15:14
* kparal will send test day recap into list shortly		15:14
fenris02	kparal, does this replace sectool ?	15:14
kparal	fenris02: I am not sure I can answer that, openscap developers might be a better choice :) I believe it should	15:15
kparal	to tell the truth, I've never heard of openscap nor sectool before this test day	15:15
jlaska	yay, learning all around :)	15:16
kparal	but let's hope it got at least some attention and more people learned what it is good for	15:16
jlaska	kparal: nicely done on the setup with wrabco ... look forward to the recap later this week	15:16
jlaska	kparal: feel free to note any good/bad/ugly on the retrospective page	15:17
* kparal will try		15:17
jlaska	#topic F14 Test Days - Sep 02 PreUpgrade	15:17
jlaska	Hurry (rhe) isn't here at the moment, but it seems she has a good handle on the setup for this weeks preupgrade event	15:18
jlaska	#link Test_Day:2010-09-02_Preupgrade	15:18
jlaska	as mentioned on the list, the test day will request testing against the command-line interface	15:18
jlaska	we've not previously done much with it	15:18
jlaska	this should be a good event ... nice to shake out/debug any preupgrade issues in advance of the beta	15:19
fenris02	is there any way to determine what percentage of users actually use the cli vs. gui for preupgrade?	15:19
jlaska	robatino: you've done some preupgrades recently, are there any show stoppers we need to address before the event?	15:19
adamw	i'll get some publicity out for this one as we'll want to have as many people as possible test	15:19
jlaska	fenris02: good question ... I'm not aware of a good method	15:19
robatino	jlaska: i haven't tested preupgrade for F14 (problems with VMs not working)	15:20
Viking-Ice-Home	I always thought that those that used cli would just run yum upgrade..	15:20
robatino	KVM works better but just getting used to it	15:20
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: they might, that is however a completely different method for upgrading a system	15:20
fenris02	i wonder how preupgrade would compare now that yum has dist-sync ...	15:21
jlaska	fenris02: I've had enough of your good questions!	15:21
* Viking-Ice-Home just keeps home on separate partition and does a fresh install..		15:21
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: +1 to that method :)	15:21
fenris02	jlaska, that's what i'm here for :)	15:21
jlaska	#help i wonder how preupgrade would compare now that yum has dist-sync	15:22
jlaska	#help is there any way to determine what percentage of users actually use the cli vs. gui for preupgrade?	15:22
skvidal	okay	15:22
* jlaska readies for next #topic		15:22
skvidal	so preupgrade just preps the system and downloads the pkgs for an anaconda install	15:22
skvidal	so that if there is a significant change that only anaconda can do - then it can be done	15:22
skvidal	if the change is more iterative then yum can do it	15:22
jlaska	#info skvidal clarified the difference between preupgrade and yum upgrade	15:23
fenris02	skvidal, you do not think yum could dist-sync your system from say, f13 to f14 after you updated the -release package?	15:23
skvidal	fenris02: there have been updates to major system pieces before that were impossible to do ON the running system	15:23
adamw	fenris02: it's an impossible question, it depends on the upgrade	15:24
skvidal	you had to be standing outside of the system to perform the upgrade	15:24
skvidal	the lvm->lvm2 transition as a case in point	15:24
fenris02	point	15:24
skvidal	you couldn't be RUNNING the kernel from the previous release and hope to survive it	15:24
wwoods	or upgrading ext3->ext4, or (someday perhaps) ext4->btrfs	15:24
skvidal	wwoods: istr ext3->ext4 wasn't the end of the world but you had to reboot RIGHT AWAY	15:24
wwoods	there have also been incompatible differences in the rpmdb, if memory serves	15:24
jlaska	yeah	15:25
skvidal	wwoods: yes - most of those required: yum update yum rpm ; yum upgrade	15:25
wwoods	or the metadata switchover, but you could handle those probably by upgrading yum/rpm/etc first	15:25
wwoods	yeah	15:25
skvidal	wwoods: nod	15:25
jlaska	okay, so it seems preupgrade has everything lined up for this week	15:25
adamw	this seems somewhat ot	15:25
jlaska	good info, but yeah, we can move this outside the meeting	15:25
adamw	for now, we're testing preupgrade, not debating its philosophical / practical merits =)	15:25
wwoods	it's a tremendously complex problem that anaconda has already solved, and preupgrade takes advantage of that, and therefore, yes, there is still a useful niche for preupgrade	15:25
jlaska	#topic F14 Test Days - Sep 09 Systemd	15:26
adamw	ooh, this is one of mine	15:26
jlaska	adamw: Viking-Ice-Home: I think you two are the closest to the state of systemd	15:26
jlaska	how's this event shaping up?	15:26
adamw	i have the test day mostly set up, i would appreciate review of the monster test cases (which are heavily based on notting's systemd 'acceptance criteria')	15:26
adamw	i may add a few other test cases, i'll check in with lennart on what he thinks so far	15:27
jlaska	ooh, I'd like to review ... I'm in need of improved systemd knowledge :)	15:27
Viking-Ice-Home	I think we play close attention to upgrade case to see if that's ironed out	15:28
kparal	adamw: post here a link	15:28
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: F13 -> F14 upgrades?	15:28
Viking-Ice-Home	yup and systemd	15:28
adamw	kparal: they're on the page	15:28
Viking-Ice-Home	there was set back with 8.1 that got fixed in 8.3	15:28
adamw	kparal: QA:Testcase_initialization_basic , QA:Testcase_initialization_tools	15:29
kparal	adamw: ah, there's no summary page yet?	15:29
adamw	kparal: a category page?	15:29
kparal	well, a test day page	15:29
jlaska	#link Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd	15:29
adamw	yes	15:29
adamw	jlaska linked to it already i thought	15:29
adamw	oh no :)	15:29
adamw	thanks	15:29
Viking-Ice-Home	it would just be good to test systemd when preupgrade tests are performed	15:29
kparal	adamw: it's not available from QA/Fedora_14_test_days	15:30
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: okay	15:30
jlaska	kparal: I just updated that page	15:30
adamw	kparal: oh yeah, i'll fix that	15:30
kparal	thanks	15:30
jlaska	at one point we were working on a debugging page for systemd ... is that still in progress?	15:31
adamw	think that's viking's department	15:31
kparal	adamw: there should be clear instructions how to setup F14 machine, since installing F14 Alpha and updating will break the boot process. to avoid confusion and reporting that as bugs, it should be covered in installation instructions	15:32
jlaska	not a bad idea ... from the list at least, it seems there is significant confusion around what to test, and how to get there	15:32
jlaska	this could help clear that up	15:32
adamw	kparal: it shouldn't by the time we run the event	15:33
adamw	in fact it shouldn't now, since updates-testing is enabled by default and 8-3 is in updates-testing	15:33
jlaska	#info Test cases available, will request review shortly	15:33
kparal	adamw: alright, you're always ahead of me :)	15:33
adamw	actually, it's gone stable now...https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/systemd-8-3.fc14,initscripts-9.17-2.fc14	15:34
adamw	though /me wonders about that unpush by lennart before the push to stable...better check with him on that	15:34
jlaska	anything else to consider to prepare for this event?	15:35
adamw	not that i can think of	15:35
jlaska	feel free to #info,#action,#{favorite-tag} as needed	15:35
jlaska	cool ... I'm sure this will be another well attended event given the buzz :)	15:35
jlaska	#topic Proventester (metrics and sponsor upgrade)	15:36
jlaska	I wanted to raise this for brief discussion	15:36
jlaska	I know this has come up previously, but I received a request from a proventester to upgrade them to a sponsor	15:36
jlaska	Wanted to ask if we've done this before, what we'd need to consider for this etc...	15:37
Viking-Ice-Home	jlaska: Ah yes I need to finish that one up	15:37
Viking-Ice-Home	systemd debugging page that is	15:37
jlaska	and it seemed like a good flow into the previous topic of gathering proventester metrics	15:37
adamw	what I wrote in the policy was just "Any proven tester can become a mentor. Simply let any existing mentor or group administrator - those listed as administrator or sponsor in the group member list - know you would like to become a mentor, and they will upgrade you to sponsor level, which will allow you to accept applications to the group. "	15:37
jlaska	Viking-Ice-Home: cool thanks, I'm happy to review if you need input	15:37
adamw	so basically the process to become a mentor is...ask to be a mentor	15:37
jlaska	adamw: this is too simple!	15:38
adamw	going with the priniciple of least resistance we agreed on for the whole proven tester process	15:38
fenris02	no trac ticket?	15:38
* adamw hates bureaucracy		15:38
jlaska	we need more obfuscation in the way :)	15:38
adamw	a trac ticket would give a record of the process i guess. i just made it up as i was going along.	15:38
jlaska	fenris02: ah, yeah I can recommend the trac ticket route just for transparency	15:38
adamw	but for now according to what we have written down, you can go ahead and make 'em a mentor, jlaska	15:38
adamw	if someone wants to revise the policy to say 'file a trac ticket' i'm fine with that	15:39
fenris02	jlaska, CYAP	15:39
jlaska	okay, thanks	15:40
jlaska	anything else we want to talk through on the metrics side	15:41
adamw	on metrics, um, not done anything yet.	15:41
jlaska	adamw: you reached out to lmacken, I forget what the plan is here	15:41
adamw	it should probably go on my todo list	15:41
jlaska	this is something included in an upcoming bodhi release?	15:41
adamw	luke asked me to file a trac ticket with a list of desired metrics	15:41
adamw	i think i did that...lemme see	15:41
adamw	yeah, https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456	15:42
adamw	seems we're waiting on luke there, we could give him a poke	15:42
jlaska	cool, I forgot about the ticket, thanks adamw	15:42
jlaska	okay, we can check-in with lmacken later	15:43
jlaska	okay, I need to move my focus to another meeting :(	15:43
adamw	#action adamw contact lmacken about proventester metrics https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/456	15:43
jlaska	kparal or adamw can you guys push throug the remaining autoqa and open discussion topics?	15:44
adamw	kparal: do you want to take autoqa? it's your area	15:44
adamw	#topic AutoQA	15:44
kparal	adamw: ok	15:44
adamw	kparal: wwoods: go for it	15:44
wwoods	whoosh	15:45
adamw	is it a bird? is it a plane? no, it's...autoqa!	15:45
kparal	last week there were some big documentation updates	15:45
kparal	the main culprit is jskladan, so I'll let him talk about it	15:45
kparal	praise yourself, jskladan! :)	15:45
wwoods	hooray!	15:45
jskladan	okay	15:46
jskladan	last week, i finished the "how to write autoqa tests" wiki draft	15:46
fenris02	autoqa should be a massive WIN for fedora :)	15:46
Viking-Ice-Home	jskladan: got link	15:46
jskladan	User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests	15:46
kparal	#link User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests	15:46
jskladan	so, feel free to comment/edit...	15:47
adamw	nice stuff	15:47
jskladan	and at the end of this week, i'll replace the "official" page with the content of mine sandbox	15:47
adamw	might be worth mentioning to the docs team? see if they have any special skills to improve it?	15:47
jskladan	adamw: great idea? could you throw any names?	15:48
jskladan	(so i can abuse their knowledge and creativity :-D)	15:48
Viking-Ice-Home	I think looks good	15:48
kparal	#info jskladan updated AutoQA documentation	15:48
kparal	#info jskladan will replace the official page with the content of his sandbox at the end of the week	15:48
adamw	jskladan: mailing list - docs@lists.fp.o	15:48
* Viking-Ice-Home sneaks in 'it'		15:48
adamw	jskladan: or irc #fedora-docs i think	15:48
jskladan	ok, will try, thx adamw	15:49
jskladan	other than that - i have nothing	15:49
jskladan	i started to dig into the mash	15:49
jskladan	but that thing is crazy :-D	15:49
wwoods	yeah, mash is kind of.. black magic	15:49
wwoods	but it's black magic we need	15:49
wwoods	so that's a nice segue to depcheck!	15:50
jskladan	i was thinking - can we (maybe) add/change tags on packages in koji?	15:50
jskladan	you know - add a custom (unique) tag on the one package, create repo from that that tag	15:50
wwoods	I updated the autoqa depcheck tickets to give a bit more information - including the "make it use mash" ticket	15:50
jskladan	and then remove the respective tag? :)	15:50
wwoods	that's https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/milestone/Package%20Update%20Acceptance%20Test%20Plan%20-%20depcheck	15:51
wwoods	and the ticket: https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/201	15:51
kparal	#info wwoods added comments to depcheck tickets to explain more about mash support	15:51
wwoods	jskladan: yes, we could do something like that - but remember that we need to run depcheck using all the packages that have requested moving	15:52
wwoods	not just the latest one	15:52
jskladan	sure, but that could be arranged :) (you know, tagging one package, or several packages... same thing...)	15:52
wwoods	so the simplest process would be: when a maintainer requests an update get moved to stable/testing, the builds get a new tag (like -blah-pending)	15:52
wwoods	then when we run the test, we use that tag to get ourselves a proper multilib repo of proposed packages	15:53
wwoods	I seem to remember Oxf13 made tags for this purpose	15:53
wwoods	but bodhi doesn't tag packages like that	15:53
adamw	so, summary here - you need to work with mash for the depcheck tests?	15:53
wwoods	so either we can a) make the autoqa bodhi watcher handle the tagging, or b) figure out a way to run mash without needing a tag	15:53
jskladan	so, maybe the "post koji build" watcher could fire some "tag this package" routine?	15:53
wwoods	adamw: yes.	15:53
adamw	and you're working on how to do that	15:53
adamw	okay	15:53
wwoods	or, at least, we need the multilib-solving bits of mash	15:54
adamw	we got 6 minutes left so maybe the practical aspects can go outside of the meeting :)	15:54
jskladan	ok ok	15:54
* jskladan out		15:54
adamw	meetings aren't for practical stuff, everyone should know that!	15:54
adamw	;)	15:54
* jskladan lurks into the shadows :)		15:54
skvidal	wwoods: you could declare multilib forbidden and never touch it again, that would also work :)	15:54
* skvidal kids		15:54
wwoods	heh. the point I'm making is a) we require this for proper multilib testing, and b) it's kind of tricky and we're still trying to determine the best way to accomplish that	15:54
wwoods	yes, we could also just decide we aren't going to test multilib	15:55
wwoods	and/or have depcheck 0.1 just.. not handle multilib	15:55
adamw	#info depcheck tests need to use mash to handle multilib cases, team is investigating how best to do this	15:55
adamw	#info possibility to release initial set of depcheck tests without multilib handling	15:55
wwoods	and work on handling multilib/mash in parallel with setting up depcheck to handle karma etc	15:55
skvidal	wwoods: probably unwise	15:56
skvidal	once you get it mostly working	15:56
skvidal	no one will want to disturb it only to make the whole world break with multilib	15:56
wwoods	at this point I'm thinking about the latter, but I REALLY DO NOT want depcheck to be active and enforcing policy until we're really sure it's doing everything right	15:56
wwoods	skvidal: yeah, exactly	15:56
wwoods	once it's in Production nobody will want to change it, so it can't go into Production until it's feature-complete	15:56
adamw	Google solution - endless beta!	15:57
wwoods	hah yes.	15:57
* kparal notes there is one more update from vaschenb about upgradepath		15:57
adamw	yeah, let's get to that	15:58
kparal	vaschenb: go!	15:58
wwoods	onward!	15:58
vaschenb	i updated upgradepath, the new test... now it has improved output and is automaticaly started with post-bodhi-update hook...	15:59
kparal	that means it's now included in the set of tests run on always bodhi update	15:59
kparal	always->every	16:00
kparal	and that reminds me one more thing, I asked jlaska whether we should deploy a new version of autoqa to our production server	16:00
kparal	#info vaschenb updated upgradepath - now it has improved output and is automaticaly started with post-bodhi-update hook	16:01
kparal	but I guess jlaska is busy right now	16:01
kparal	wwoods: jskladan: what do you think?	16:01
kparal	I think the current autoqa version is quite outdated	16:01
wwoods	If memory serves there are some big changes and bugfixes etc. that we'll want on the production systems soon	16:02
jlaska	kparal: I'm happy to build and deploy as needed	16:02
jlaska	I can do a autoqa-0.4-pre1 or something?	16:02
kparal	it will take some time until depcheck is ready, right? I think now it quite a good time to make a snapshot	16:02
jskladan	jlaska: cool :) i'd like to know, if my puppy can survive in the real world of production servers :)	16:02
wwoods	agreed - it'd be good to get some testing on the new code before we start adding new tests on top of it	16:03
wwoods	if need be we can take this to the list and review what (if anything) we need to fix/finish before pushing new code	16:03
wwoods	but I think kparal's right and this is an opportune time	16:03
wwoods	I feel like it's ready for a snapshot - if there are no concerns let's just do it	16:04
kparal	#info autoqa team agrees now is a good time to make a new autoqa release and deploy it	16:04
* jskladan +1		16:04
wwoods	otherwise, send send mail to the list and we'll talk about what we need	16:04
wwoods	anyone have any concerns about trying to push the new autoqa code live?	16:05
* wwoods assumes silence == "let's do it!"		16:05
wwoods	so.. let's do it	16:05
kparal	#action jlaska build and deploy new autoqa release	16:05
jlaska	I'm just going to build from master ... unless there are specific things you guys want me to wait for	16:06
* kparal hopes he's not too daring to assign action items like that :)		16:06
jlaska	kparal: assign away! :)	16:06
kparal	yes, from master, that should be fine	16:06
kparal	I think that's all from autoqa for today, don't you think?	16:07
adamw	okay then	16:08
adamw	#topic open discussion	16:08
adamw	any other business?	16:08
adamw	otherwise, closing meeting in 3...	16:09
adamw	2..	16:09
adamw	1...	16:09
adamw	thanks, everyone!	16:09
adamw	#endmeeting	16:10

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 : jlaska sent out an email to design-team this morning to collect some thoughts (see http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2010-August/003190.html)
 # jlaska to publish F-14-Alpha QA retrospective page
-: the wiki page is available for anyone to record thoughts about the Alpha ... (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective)
+: the wiki page is available for anyone to record thoughts about the Alpha ... (see [[Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective)]]
 : it's not wiki formatted to my liking yet, but I'll get to that soon
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 ; Summary
-: jskladan finished the "how to write autoqa tests" wiki draft (see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests)
+: jskladan finished the "how to write autoqa tests" wiki draft (see [[User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests)]]
 : wwoods updated the autoqa depcheck tickets to give a bit more information - including the "make it use mash" ticket (see https://fedorahosted.org/autoqa/ticket/201)
 : vaschenb updated upgradepath, the new test... now it has improved output and is automaticaly started with post-bodhi-update hook
 ; Next steps...
-: jskladan will replace current wiki page [[Writing_autoqa_tests]] with https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests
+: jskladan will replace current wiki page [[Writing_autoqa_tests]] with [[User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests]]
 : wwoods + jskladan investigating how best to handle mash with depcheck test
 : wwoods also investigating setting up depcheck to handle karma
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-| style="color: #407a40" | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
+| style="color: #407a40" | [[Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective]]
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-| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_14_QA_Retrospective
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-| style="color: #407a40" | for those new to test days ... there is a great introduction to the process at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/SOP_Test_Day_management
+| style="color: #407a40" | for those new to test days ... there is a great introduction to the process at [[QA/SOP_Test_Day_management]]
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-| style="color: #4b904b" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-08-26_OpenSCAP
+| style="color: #4b904b" | #link [[Test_Day:2010-08-26_OpenSCAP]]
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-| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-02_Preupgrade
+| style="color: #407a40" | #link [[Test_Day:2010-09-02_Preupgrade]]
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-| style="color: #818144" | kparal: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_basic , https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA:Testcase_initialization_tools
+| style="color: #818144" | kparal: [[QA:Testcase_initialization_basic]] , [[QA:Testcase_initialization_tools]]
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-| style="color: #407a40" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd
+| style="color: #407a40" | #link [[Test_Day:2010-09-09_Systemd]]
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-| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: it's not available from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Fedora_14_test_days
+| style="color: #4b904b" | adamw: it's not available from [[QA/Fedora_14_test_days]]
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-| style="color: #4b904b" | #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests
+| style="color: #4b904b" | #link [[User:Jskladan/Sandbox:Writing_autoqa_tests]]
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